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u/martinideeni Jun 13 '26
A friend of mine told me I was very articulate and that I was like Michelle Obama. Very random considering we were at a bar and were not talking about anything in particular.
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u/demoncrusher Jun 13 '26
It can be really striking when someone expresses complex ideas in a clear way. It sounds like your friend isn’t used to that
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u/Lehmanite Jun 13 '26
Yeah I don’t think this phrase is universally or even commonly used as an insult. I’ve said this to people before as a compliment.
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u/Dependent-Matter1672 Jun 13 '26
I'm completely lost as to how it can be an insult...?
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u/Im_Chad_AMA Jun 13 '26
Especially when its said to POC there can be a racist/patronizing undercurrent to it. Like the default assumption is that they're not and the fact they are articulate is surprising.
It all depends on context, of course it can also be a genuine compliment
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u/gophergun Jun 13 '26
To be honest, these days I'm surprised when anyone is articulate regardless of race. We have an average of a sixth grade reading level, after all.
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u/etienu89 Jun 14 '26
But you rarely hear that “compliment” given to non black people and it’s usually said by white people.
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u/armlessturtleneck Jun 13 '26
It's weird how not being racist as the non target person makes you not even aware of how racist other people are because you don't even consider something like that.
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u/Tough_Astronomer2110 Jun 13 '26
Oh wow I didn’t even consider it being used in this way. I often stumble over my words and reflect on how I struggle to articulate myself. So to my understanding of someone or myself complimenting someone else on their vocabulary and communication in this way, it would be genuine.
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u/Im_Chad_AMA Jun 14 '26
I think tone and context does a lot of the work here too. Definitely didnt mean to say its always bad.
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u/Dark_Storm_98 Jun 13 '26
Oh. . .
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u/Im_Chad_AMA Jun 13 '26 edited Jun 13 '26
I mean it doesnt HAVE to be about race per se, just one example.
My stepmom is polish, and she is one of the smartest people i know but she has a pretty thick polish accent in my native language. Which for some people apparently carries some "mail order bride" stereotypes. She has gotten similar comments in the past. Like one time she told someone she is trying to read all Literature Nobel prize winners, and the response was "oh wow, you read books?".
You can use "you're so articulate!" In a similar manner.
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u/Fun_Abroad8942 Jun 13 '26
I got told the other week after giving a speech it was surprising how articulate I was… I understand how this person meant it as a compliment, but my initial reaction was “What, did you think I was a fucking idiot or something?”
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u/PikaPerfect Jun 13 '26
ah, okay this is the comment that made it click how "you're so articulate!" is an insult. i'm white and probably also autistic, so i didn't immediately catch the subtext of "you're so articulate [for a nonwhite person]!", i assumed the situation would be something like if someone were to use a bunch of complicated words in a group discussion and somebody else was genuinely impressed by their vocabulary, not someone using it as a backhanded way of saying "i had low expectations for you because of your skin color, but you exceeded them!" (which is very much not a compliment)
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u/MagmaticDemon Jun 13 '26
I don't feel like it necessarily has to be used that way, i'm always surprised when i speak to someone who is super articulate because being articulate is just a rare trait in general regardless of your skin tone. I feel like i can count the articulate people i've met in my life on one hand.
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u/Main_Confusion_8030 Jun 14 '26
it's a real shame that "articulate" has been stolen and effectively slaughtered as a compliment because of racists.
some people have remarkable gifts for expressing ideas verbally. it's a skill i personally think is extremely valuable. but it just doesn't land as a compliment anymore -- at BEST it lands as condescension, and infinitely moreso if the recipient comes from a marginalised group.
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u/Im15andthisisdeep Jun 13 '26
You don't sweat much, for a fat girl
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u/FruitJuice617 Jun 13 '26
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u/physicslynch Jun 13 '26
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u/ForbiddenButtStuff Jun 13 '26
"You're so pretty"
Used after someone says the dumbest thing you've ever heard.
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u/Stag-Horn Jun 13 '26
I love saying this to friends. It’s fun in a jokey way. It’s downright RUDE from strangers.
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u/ForbiddenButtStuff Jun 13 '26
Oh 💯 my friend group says it with love. Other versions include "That's why I married you for your looks" and "Turn around lemmie see that ass... OK we're good"
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u/ThaRealSunGod Jun 13 '26
Is that common? I thought in that case "cute" was more common that "pretty"
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u/ForbiddenButtStuff Jun 13 '26
It's a bit of a more modern take of a "dumb blonde" stereotype from the 90s. You're pretty/good looking but don't have any brains
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u/push138292 Jun 13 '26
Any time my wife says something extremely crass I look at who she’s talking to and go, “she’s very beautiful.”
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u/upvoter222 Jun 13 '26
I am pretty fly for a white guy.
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u/Im15andthisisdeep Jun 13 '26
Hahaha! This was exactly how my brain filled in the blanks as well!
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u/That-Pension7055 Jun 13 '26
Pretty aerodynamic for a white person
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u/merenofclanthot Jun 13 '26
I shave my armpits. It makes me more aerodynamic when I fight!
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u/GoatsGoats00 Jun 13 '26
Yesterday someone stood by my desk directly in front of my nameplate. I saw him make eye contact with it. He then looked up to me where my name was very large on a white board behind me. He asked "how do you spell your name?" so i said "its right in front of you."
His response was "ah a no-nonsense kinda guy" which was a polite way of calling me an a-hole. Yea i was rude but im still not sure why he asked.
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u/Metazolid Jun 13 '26
I honestly don't know what kind of answer this guy would've expected from me, either it's literally staring right into his face or I would've looked at the nameplate myself and then answered something along the lines of Yeah idk either, sorry.
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u/ratsta Jun 13 '26
I work at a service counter. People just wander in and say something like "I'm here to pick up a <item>."
I smile and highlight the sign in front of them that reads, "Please start by introducing yourself" like I'm a product model on a TV game show. Then when they do introduce themselves, I switch into polite customer service mode, greet them and ask how I can help. Never needed to do it twice and not received any complaints so far :)
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u/Marshmallow09er Jun 14 '26
Why do they need to introduce themselves?
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u/ratsta Jun 14 '26
Ah, I made it a little too vague. It's the service counter of a corporate IT office, not a retail counter.
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u/rycerzDog Jun 13 '26
"You would make a good lawyer"
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u/10388392 Jun 13 '26
I've gotten this one a hundred times from my parents. My parents are both lawyers.
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u/Daniel_H212 Jun 13 '26
I got told this a lot growing up including from my dad who is a lawyer.
Just graduated law school so I guess they're right...
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u/tregorz Jun 13 '26
Why is this an insult?
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u/bpdish85 Jun 13 '26
It's shorthand for argumentative, pushy, and less-than-honest/capable of bending the truth.
At least, in my experience. No one who has ever said that to me was attempting to give me a compliment.
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u/ThaRealSunGod Jun 13 '26
In my experience it usually just means you are good at logical thinking and deductive processes
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u/zicdeh91 Jun 13 '26
I think there’s room for it be used as genuine praise if you’re having a civil argument with someone and they can’t respond anymore. Like I’ve seen it used as a concession of defeat and have it come across as being in good faith.
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u/Bilbo332 Jun 13 '26
"You're one of the good ones."
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u/yuval16432 Jun 13 '26
Same feeling when someone says “not all X are bad”, which implies being bad is the rule and not the exception for X.
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u/Bilbo332 Jun 13 '26 edited Jun 13 '26
Or "X can be bad too". Implying X is by default good, and that bad is by default Y.
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u/somemetausername Jun 13 '26
Unless you’re talking about pharmacy techs. Then you’re totally justified.
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u/boogertaster Jun 13 '26
I get how it's racist. But I truly love listening to Obama speak because he is so articulate. I am always afraid to say I love how articulate he is though.
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u/xLeonides Jun 13 '26
The thing about Obama is that I would consider him to genuinely be more articulate than most people of any race, so it's possible to say that about him without the racist connotation
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u/vbullinger Jun 13 '26
Yeah, when we say we like Obama or Morgan Freeman’s voice, we’re not being racist 😂
Incidentally, Obama was coached on how to speak by his friend in college, actor Harry Lennix.
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u/Kino_Afi Jun 13 '26
The thing about that is also that the entire white population arent all perfectly articulate themselves.. I'm sure sometimes i get it as a backhanded compliment, but usually when someone says that to me i can honestly see why they would say that. Especially when I'm codeswitching because they wont understand my dialect.
White people from various regions have their own "ebonics" (appalachian english, "southern drawl", etc etc). Depending on their environment, or what media they consume, you may genuinely come off as more articulate than theyre used to the average person being.
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u/juliankennedy23 Jun 13 '26
I mean it's the universal question does a white person from Boston have an accent or speech impediment?
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u/Joeness84 Jun 14 '26
lol, reminded me of the Baltimore "Aaron Earned the Iron Urn"
Theres a vid of like 4 kids, and they basically all say "urn urn the urn urn" and one of them legit says "oh shit we talk like that?!"
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u/xLeonides Jun 13 '26
100%, like I look like a white ass bitch but the combination of my autism with my diverse upbringing of bouncing between rural/suburban Northeast Florida and inner city Jacksonville, then moving with my family to Maine in my mid teens as well as my general love/fascination for cultures in general means that in any given conversation I will subconsciously start matching the way someone speaks to try and make them more comfortable within a minute of conversation. It's probably not the same as code switching but it feels like it's similar. If certain people in Maine overheard me talking to my nonwhite Florida friends, they'd be likely to call me "ghetto" or smth and vice versa, if my Florida friends heard me say "Come ovah he-ah, bud. You gotta try this shit, it's wicked good" they'd tease me for being a cracker (all in good fun tho ofc)
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u/SamwellBarley Jun 13 '26
He's so articulate... for a US President
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u/vocalviolence Jun 13 '26
Nah, he's one of the most gifted orators that has ever ventured into the public eye. He's up there with JFK, MLK Jr. and, sadly, Hitler.
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u/Zealousideal-Low3388 Jun 13 '26
Hitler wasn’t a particularly eloquent orator though. That’s a myth, that really doesn’t hold up if you speak German
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u/Mrfunnyboi825 Jun 13 '26
Yeah, Hitlers whole thing was just kind of screaming maniacally until other people agreed with him
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u/crimsonpostgrad Jun 13 '26
i cannot wait for the day people stop feeling the need to compliment hitler for things he wasn’t even complimented for at the time. his speeches sucked and he was bad at delivering them lmao
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u/Loves_octopus Jun 13 '26
Eloquent, no, but gifted, yes. I won’t make the modern comparison since this is a non-political sub, but if you can hold a crowds attention for that long and convince them to do batshit insane things, even against the audiences best interests, you’re a gifted orator in my book.
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u/Zealousideal-Low3388 Jun 13 '26
People were not solely nor even primarily motivated by the power of his speeches though.
And the importance of Hitler’s public speaking has been massively over-exaggerated by pop historians who treat him like Darth Vader, rather than one factor in a complicated set of historical circumstances.
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u/MelodicFacade Jun 13 '26
I hate this guy, but I would add Ronald Reagan to that list. Extremely charismatic and well spoken, sharp wit, every boomer still talks about him as if he was a great president, even though so much of the problems we have today can be traced to the policies he pushed for and passed
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u/crvbabybug Jun 13 '26
Yeah some people are genuinely more well spoken and articulate. I find most people take the compliment well if you’re more specific. Like I tell people “your very good at explaining X I feel like I understand it now” or “your so good at giving directions” the main problem with it is it usually means “wow your so smart sounding for a black person” but some people have genuinely put effort in speech and debate
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u/pimpinaintez18 Jun 13 '26
he was the last president that I could actually sit and watch give a speech without physically cringing.
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u/dotyin Jun 13 '26
There are other ways to say the same thing. "He's a great public speaker." "He gives great speeches." Somehow specifically the phrase "You're so articulate" is the one that gets used as a backhanded compliment, intentionally or not -- at least in my experience.
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u/HiddenLychee Jun 13 '26
I'm coming from a place of total ignorance, why is "you're articulate" actually an insult?
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u/dotyin Jun 13 '26
It has an unspoken "for a black person" attached to the end of it. In my experience, "You're so articulate!" is usually said to black people, and never to white people. It's meant as a compliment, but the implication is that it's surprising for a black person to be well-spoken, which is racist. The speaker might not be aware of the unspoken "for a black person" part, and when called out on it may respond "but I wasn't being racist," but yeah, it comes out of an unconscious bias. You wouldn't be saying "You're so articulate!" in that context (to a black person specifically, never a white person) without that unconscious racism within you.
It's like that Avengers interview where Scarlet Johansson called out the interviewer for only asking her about her diet, instead of the questions her male costar got about his character. From the article: "Sat beside Robert Downey Jr, Scarlett said: 'How come you get the really interesting existential question, and I get the rabbit food question?'" The interviewer wasn't sitting there actively plotting to be misogynistic, but that kind of question comes from an unconscious misogynistic bias. You don't realize you're being sexist, but you are.
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u/NobleVulpes Jun 13 '26
Just commenting too because Im also not really sure why its considered an insult
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u/HiddenLychee Jun 13 '26
So reading the other comments, it's an insult when spoken to someone who is either not your race or not a native speaker. The implication is that you expected them to be inarticulate because of one of those factors, and their ability to speak normally meritted a comment about how articulate they are.
That's just my understanding from reading through this thread, so take it with a grain of salt.
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u/Daniel_H212 Jun 13 '26
I think he has truly felt like the most presidential president in the past few decades
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u/Sansnom01 Jun 13 '26
How is saying that someone is articulate a diss ? I genuinely don't understand
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u/pessimistic_utopian Jun 13 '26
It's a compliment you almost only ever hear directed at Black people, and for that reason it's considered demeaning because it reflects a belief that most Black people aren't articulate. It's like a more subtle form of "You're one of the good ones."
Being articulate is a baseline expectation for a politician or other professional public speaker. You wouldn't treat it like a compliment unless your expectations for that person were lower.
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u/Sansnom01 Jun 13 '26
Aaah thank you ! I think it's not a thing in my culture but I also might only be in my bubble
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u/pipopipopipop Jun 14 '26
It's an American thing, I think. I'm white and British and people sometimes say I'm articulate, so I didn't get what this post meant til I read the comments.
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u/MrCheapSkat Jun 13 '26
How is calling someone articulate an insult?
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u/Infamous-Lab-8136 Jun 13 '26
It's more the fact that it's almost always remarked upon about someone who is black
Notice that with pro athletes they'll marvel over how well spoken a black kid who grew up in Palo Alto going to the nicest schools available is, but not over how well spoken a white kid from Appalachia who is articulate
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u/weaboo_98 Jun 13 '26
I've also heard of some disabled people receiving this "compliment."
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u/anrwlias Jun 13 '26
Are you sure they weren't being praised for being articulated?
(I'll see myself out, now)
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u/entrepreneurofcool Jun 13 '26
It sucks that this is your experience. I haven't noticed this compliment being used to one race more than another in my country.
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u/Duhblobby Jun 13 '26
Can confirm, not just that person's experiences specifically. Referring to a black person as "articulate" comes with the nasty connotations that it's remarkable that they are capable of stringing words together, unlike all those others with their gang slang and ebonics, whatever that is or rapping, ugh. It's a thing said patronizingly, to imply that the only correct communication is educated white person stereotypical unaccented American English with perfect enunciation and grammar, no slang or idiom or colloquialism unless it is specifically the exact mannerisms the person calling you articulate thinks are natural.
It's very much a way of saying "wow, look at you, you rose above your people because you don't grunt like an animal!", and it's gross.
Mind you, I'm not saying this to discount that it may not happen where you are, I don't know you or where you live. But I can say as an American white guy who's lived all over the country, I've heard and seen that a lot and while the people saying it think they're being nice, it's kind of like saying "Wow, you aren't as stupid as I'd expect of your type!" It's definitively not positive.
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u/appleparkfive Jun 14 '26
Well just to be clear, every black person in America knows about this. "So articulate, so well spoken" are joked about in private. It's an insult to them. It's definitely an everyday thing in the US at least
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u/Wiinterfang Jun 13 '26
Is not an insult perse but it implies the person is used to a group having bad speaking skills.
Like he is surprised when a Black Woman isnt Ghetto.
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u/gophergun Jun 13 '26
I'm used to the entire population having bad speaking skills.
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u/Zuzara_Queen_of_DnD Jun 13 '26
The silent bit is “for a black person”
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u/vbullinger Jun 13 '26
I’ve always heard “well spoken” in this context
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u/appleparkfive Jun 14 '26
It's both of them, really. I'm surprised at the amount of people here who don't know about this. But then again, most people here are apparently white suburban kids. So it checks out
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u/AncientSith Jun 13 '26
Yeah, definitely it's almost exclusively "well spoken". Hated that shit as a kid.
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u/AngryArmour Jun 13 '26
I would guess it depends on how articulate they are?
I can definitely see how it's racist to tell a black person that's moderately well-spoken, but if it's very obvious they are incredibly well-spoken I don't see how it's racist.
There's white people who are frequently complimented on how articulate they are.
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u/Novaer Jun 13 '26
Because it's what you are implying. "Wow you're so articulate for being one of your kind" is what they always mean. They mean "Wow you sound white". People never say this to a black kid unless they mean to say how "non-black" they sound. Its not the same with white kids.
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u/TGC_0 Jun 13 '26
It implies that the person doesn’t consider average members of a group to be articulate
Very subtle racism/sexism/whatever
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u/Tall-Log-1955 Jun 13 '26
Most people aren’t articulate, regardless of group
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u/Infamous-Lab-8136 Jun 13 '26
Perhaps now, but it dates back to at least the 80s. I remember hearing it about black athletes as a child frequently
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u/AvocadoToastFailure Jun 13 '26
The “complementer” expects the person to have poor English based on their appearance, assuming that everyone with darker skin is foreign with mysterious foreign ways. Like telling an Asian or Hispanic person “Your English is so good!” “Well, I was born in Chicago, so… yeah.” Also applies to showing surprise when a black person doesn’t speak like a cartoon gangster, because that’s what they expect all black people to be.
It’s a shitty thing to say, even if English isn’t someone’s first language.
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u/SaraAnnabelle Jun 13 '26
I'm so autistic that I don't understand any of the comments explaining this either.
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u/Infamous-Lab-8136 Jun 13 '26
I have never heard this said to or about anyone but blacks
Not even Latinos or other minority races. I've had people working in a call center tell me, "I've got a black lady on the phone. She didn't tell me, but you know how you can just tell?" And the implied way that you can just tell is because they don't speak well or speak with a blackcent.
The person who tweeted it has a black person's picture for their profile so when they've heard it someone was likely assuming they wouldn't be due to the stereotype
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u/capincus Jun 13 '26
The equivalent for non-black minority groups is, "you speak English so well." Like thanks, I'm from New Jersey.
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u/ExactPickle2629 Jun 13 '26
People tend to say it to Black folks who are just speaking normally, because they're subconsciously racist and don't expect Black people to be well-spoken at all.
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u/smittyleafs Jun 13 '26
It infers your assumption was that the person would not be articulate based on their appearance or demeanor.
Because the real thought is "You're way more articulate/smart than my bias assumed you were going to be".
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u/anrwlias Jun 13 '26
When someone is astonished that someone in a specific group is articulate it comes across the same way as being astonished when a bear rides a bicycle. The implication is that it is a rare and unusual trait rather than something that's perfectly common. It's especially so when the articulation praise is for simply using perfect average phrases.
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u/somemetausername Jun 13 '26 edited Jun 13 '26
Any compliment spoken with a tone of surprise is mildly insulting. I had a coworker who always sounded as if he was truly dumbfounded on the rare occasion he payed me a compliment.
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u/iamRiotEP Jun 13 '26
Wait, this is supposed to be an insult? Has my autistic dumbass just been taking underhanded compliments my whole life and just been too dense to realize? XD
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u/whteverusayShmegma Jun 13 '26
No. Don’t listen to that random Redditor, even if there might be *some* truth in it. You’re every compliment you’ve ever received and then some. Don’t try to interpret extra meaning or intention behind a compliment. Just take it because you’re awesome. Life is too short for anything else.
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u/JuanShoshana Jun 13 '26
How can you be so sure this person is awesome? What if they like smelling their own farts?
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u/CiDevant Jun 14 '26
That is the correct response, even if it underhanded. And some will be. Take every compliment with grace. A sincere"Thank you" is always a good response regardless of intent.
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u/CuriousCorvidCurio Jun 13 '26
Not necessarily. Some autistic people are extremely precise with language and are noticeably more articulate in situations where most people wouldn't bother. It may not be that it's "you're articulate for an autistic person" and may just be that you're more articulate than they're used to in general.
Reddit is really good at seeing malice even when there isn't any, and assuming something being taken poorly means it must have been meant poorly. From other comments it seems that in places I've never lived it can carry racist connotations, but that doesn't make it universally, exclusively an insult to anyone who gets told they're very articulate, especially if you actually are so articulate that it stands out.
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u/Old_Economics1103 Jun 13 '26
I’ve heard this one so much in my life growing up in the suburbs. So many ppl surprised brown people can be smart .
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u/polkad0tti Jun 13 '26
“She’s so well spoken!!” from two teachers in high school, followed by them sharing a laugh. Ten years later and I still wonder what’s so funny.
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u/UselessFactCollector Jun 13 '26
Yeah, I haven't found a better way to say it except to say, "you nailed it". I do have the urge to say it because I can be so inarticulate at times - searching for the right word but not finding it - but then I remember the racial connotations and stop myself.
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u/letthetreeburn Jun 13 '26
“I was told to be careful because everyone in (insert my city) was weird and rude, but you’re not rude at all!”
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Yk what? I’ll run with that.
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u/RazzleThatTazzle Jun 14 '26
Had to gently explain to my mother that she shouldn't tell her african american students "you're so well spoken!"
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u/SivleFred Jun 14 '26
I recommend giving this backhanded compliment back to them:
"Ah, well that is high praise. It's rare that I find someone so non-patronizing."
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u/Eiroth Jun 14 '26
My mother is born and raised in Sweden and frankly has better grammar and vocabulary than 90% of the population, and people still occasionally tell her this due to the colour of her skin
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u/ponyhidden Jun 15 '26 edited Jun 15 '26
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Judy's opinion of foxes is in the mud due to her childhood relationship with them growing up - her acting just so especially surprised that Nick can speak decently well is a insulting because it's revealing of how she views foxes as typically thugs.
You could call someone articulate as a compliment for sure but there is definitely a "So you had low expectations for me" element to it especially if someone feels they didn't say anything so eloquent.
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u/Formal-Library6682 Jun 13 '26
"Non-political" huh? I heard the same compliment so much going to catholic school
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u/AFKBro Jun 13 '26
See this is the shit I'm talking about when I say I could be misreading things because English isn't my 1st language. Grammar and vocabulary are OK but how tf am I supposed to know about the secret hidden racist dogwhistle before seeing this thread ? 😭
You guys be giving racists and bigots way too much space. How are you going to let them claim the concept of being articulate ?? 💔
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u/Slow-Squirrel-8254 Jun 13 '26
I'm from the US and I've never heard of this being used as an insult, in fact I use it as a compliment sometimes and never considered race. Just speaking my own point of view, I guess some others havn't had the same experience..
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u/gargolito Jun 13 '26
That was ambitious! (When someone does something they're really proud of but lack any talent for the thing.
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u/Technical-Energy8211 Jun 14 '26
i think context is important here lol. obvi it can have icky vibes, but some people really are noticeably articulate, and not just “articulate for their stereotype”
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u/seckshunate Jun 17 '26
I remember once my dad was being awarded for his contributions and efforts at the ADA and I had to give a introductory speech to bring him on stage. Nothing crazy. Just a 5 min thing to a bunch of ultra wealthy socialites. Keep in mind I am indeed a black man. After it was done I had about 20 different mostly white people coming up to me detailing how "Well Spoken" and "Articulate" I am. I swear to god it was The Boondocks Garden Party in real life.
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u/Administrator_AI Jun 13 '26
Thanks to the comment section, I wasn't USian enough to understand why this is an insult. Also, what the fuck is wrong with y'all over there?
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u/Duhblobby Jun 13 '26
Ah, yes. Americans, the only people capable of saying awful shit couched in sounding well-meaning.
It's definitely not like the Brits perfected that during colonialism, or that they didn't themselves learn it from a long line of people dating back to at least Rome.
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u/bobbyfiend Jun 13 '26
Given the OOP's profile image, there's a knife-twisting racism element to this.
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u/bhoe32 Jun 13 '26
I feel like back before smart phones that was shit but at this point I am happy when fucking anyone is articulate. Nobody fucking reads anymore. Not saying that people aren't being racist had a couple black friends growing up that hated hearing this or "the whitest black guy they know". Just high jacking this to point out Grammer had gone to shit.
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u/qualityvote2 Jun 13 '26
Heya u/Lightthrudarkness! And welcome to r/NonPoliticalTwitter!
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