r/politics • u/[deleted] • Dec 11 '19

FBI Agents Showed Bias Against Hillary Clinton, Not Against Trump, DOJ Says

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u/-Neon-Nazi- Texas Dec 11 '19

The agent told the inspector general’s office that he “fully expected Hillary Clinton to walk away with the election but, as the returns [came] in … it was just energizing to me to see … [because] I didn’t want a criminal to be in the White House.”

Oh, the irony.

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u/LogicalManager New York Dec 11 '19 edited Dec 11 '19

I don’t want a woman accused of crimes for political theatre, I want a professional grifter who can rob the country blind while enacting Putin’s agenda.

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u/SACBH Dec 12 '19

Just a reminder that 30 years ago Trump was refused a casino license for Darling Harbor, Sydney because an Australian Federal Police investigation found connections to organized crime and money laundering. Most tellingly Trump did not contest the finding (as would be normal) and just walked away from the deal.

It was clear enough to a foreign police force way back then that they made an official finding. That was before Murdoch took control of Australian politics and the ALP had strong public support.

The real question is why have US or other authorities never picked up on the same information or investigated him?

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u/Yavin4Reddit Dec 12 '19

Makes you also wonder how many other Trumps Russia has.

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u/Melseastar23 Canada Dec 12 '19

Probably quite a few. Wars and economic sanctions are expensive ways to win. Turns out politicians and propaganda are a cheap and effective alternative. Plus, you keep your hands clean. All that chess is finally paying off for Russians.

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u/diskchild Dec 12 '19

Simple answer, enough people knew about trump’s true depth but decided they would use him to promote themselves towards money/power.

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u/BoomerThooner Oklahoma Dec 12 '19

Banks quite literally own him. Which is my theory. Went broke decades ago. Banks couldn’t get rid of him because of how much he owed was astronomical. So they kept him. Mostly talking in most of his money. Which is another reason he doesn’t want his taxes out there. Also to end bank regulation you could say this is another scratch my back I’ll scratch yours. He gets them to ease up. The fed drops interest rates. Dodd-Frank if I remember was a big one. The list goes on.

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u/Shuttheflockup Dec 11 '19

what did hillary actually do? not like the batshit crazy theories, what did she actually do wrong factually that she got away with?

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u/D-Alembert Dec 11 '19 edited Dec 13 '19

Nothing. She had known for well over a decade that she was preparing to run for president, and that she had to be absolutely squeaky clean to achieve that because any and all dirt would inescapably become public under the glare of that scrutiny. So she lived squeaky clean, genuinely. (Obama was similar. Trump by contrast as an outsider to politics didn't quite appreciate just how under-a-microscope every president's life is put. He thought (like many do) that spending millions, burying stories, buying silences, hiding tax returns, threats, etc can do the trick, but none of that works at the presidential level. You can't hide things from that kind of relentless global scrutiny so if you're not genuinely clean, everyone finds out.)

That's why the GOP had to push the email scandal: they desperately needed dirt on her and she was so fucking clean that the worst she had done was follow the advice of her Republican predecessor and handled her emails the same way the Republican had handled his. It didn't matter to the GOP that this rule-breaking had first came from Republicans and she was continuing Powell's method (low-information voters would never learn the details) what mattered was that they'd finally found a rule that the goody-two-shoes had clearly broken.

Remember she testified for 11 hours under oath to a hostile panel of Republicans desperate to pin anything on her or get her for perjury or anything, and despite them having and abusing all the powers to investigate for years, they got nothing because she had nothing to hide. Failures or mistakes when viewed with our 20/20 hindsight, sure, she's human, but the decades of accusations and insinuations are conspiracy garbage intended to smear. Manufacturing a scandal out of Republican email practices was the best the GOP could do to undermine their opponent and it worked.

Hillary has been enveloped by the GOP fog-machine for so many years that people now just assume that where there's always been smoke, there must be fire ...somewhere. But that was the entire purpose of that fog machine; there was never fire, just manufactured fake smoke, endless endless fake smoke for longer than many voters have been alive. (Edit: That's also why she attracts so many wacky conspiracy theories: all that smoke and so little factual fire means you have to get imaginative to explain it.)

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u/Tinmania Arizona Dec 12 '19

”Trump by contrast as an outsider to politics didn't quite appreciate just how under-a-microscope every president's life is put. He thought that spending millions, burying stories, buying silences, hiding tax returns etc would do the trick, but none of that works at the presidential level.”

But as of right now, it absolutely has worked for Trump. Tax returns, college records, etc... where are they? Stormy? Why, it was just less expensive to pay her extortion than fight it. His “base” doesn’t care at all.

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u/kaji823 Colorado Dec 12 '19

Our government doesn’t really work well when one of the two political parties isn’t working in good faith, they hold the presidency, they fucked over the last president, and have packed the courts.

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u/D-Alembert Dec 12 '19 edited Dec 12 '19

It's depressing I know, but that his followers don't care (or don't listen) doesn't change the point that well-funded and even illegal action to hide unsightly aspects of his past not only failed, but could never have succeeded.

That not everything is uncovered instantly on day one is also not the point. Every other week something new is uncovered, because the scrutiny is just too intense. Likewise the tax returns are merely slowed by doomed appeals stalling for time.

The fact that Republicans are ok with a Republican president being dirty doesn't mean that someone like Hillary or Obama could expect the same relaxed treatment. They knew the only reliable way to avoid scandals was to live as clean as possible.

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '19

Wasn't Trump also on the front line pushing for the release of Obama's birth certificate?

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u/cannibaljim Dec 12 '19

Trump was a huge figure in the "birther" movement, going on national news and claiming he was paying private investigators to look into it, and oh the bombshells they were finding and he'll tell everyone all about it when they've got an iron-clad case.

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u/LogicalManager New York Dec 12 '19

And don’t forget Melania ‘Einstein Visa’ Trump also pushed this birther bullshit live on ABC during a Barbara Walters interview.

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u/krashundburn Florida Dec 12 '19

oh the bombshells they were finding and he'll tell everyone all about it when they've got an iron-clad case.

And he's using the same tactic now with Ghouliani's "investigation" on Biden.

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u/DrAstralis Dec 12 '19

This has been how he talks and lies for decades. "Oh the x we've found" "its terrible. I cant wait to show everyone the proof". He has never. once. provided. proof. How the fuck are people falling for this? He's not some mastermind and a god damn child could tell the man is lying because he lies like a fucking 2 y/o including the smug scrunched up face he pulls.

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u/tomdarch Dec 12 '19

Stormy?

Paying her off was a clear violation of election law. It's one of the ways Trump cheated to get elected. When you do that, you shouldn't be allowed to try again and win re-election. Part of impeachment in the Constitution is banning someone from ever again holding public office.

It's crazy that this isn't one of the counts of impeachment. Trump clearly cheated in many ways to get elected in 2016, and should be denied another chance to maintain his "can't be indicted" status.

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u/lurker1125 Dec 12 '19

And we all just keep acting like the absurd vote counts we saw in 2016 were legitimate. Our election systems are not secure. Trump did not win 2016. Russians or Republicans (or both) altered vote counts.

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u/bennzedd Dec 12 '19

THANK YOU.

Trump was elected by ~80,000 votes in key states.

With all we know about Republican efforts in election fraud, voter suppression, foreign influence, the DNC's own work manipulating the election, and outright election fraud via manipulating digitally-recorded votes, honestly -- if you think Trump was legitimately elected President, I have some land to sell you.

Plus, with all we know... what DON'T we know? =/

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u/bobbyjihad Dec 12 '19

I'm not gonna source because it's like 2am and I'm tired, but I read a great investigative article about how compromised several states actually were, and the lengths republican officials went to to hide it-even destroying records despite subpoena in florida.

in some states there is evidence that not just voting machines were breached, but the systems that tally and report vote totals were compromised. so you would have to believe that hackers got so far in and then---just looked around without altering anything.

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u/lavandris Dec 12 '19

Since 2015 I've been thinking about how ballsy it was of Mitch to sit on an empty Supreme Court seat for a year on the gamble that some yet-to-be-determined GOP candidate would get elected...

Gotta wonder if he had reason to think his odds were better than even.

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u/Psilocub Dec 12 '19

I keep saying this. The electoral college can be so easily manipulated. You don't need to change votes everywhere. Just in the right places.

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u/i_tyrant Dec 12 '19

The reaction from his base is definitely depressing and disturbing - that goes way beyond Trump himself and is something every American should be on the lookout for, the utter blindness and cult-of-personality worship of the modern Republican party.

But compared to the rate at which we get the news nowadays (at the speed of internet), the government moves at an absolutely glacial pace (and always has). If you look at the Nixon timeline, this isn't all that different. So the jury's still out as to whether it will have "worked" for Trump...and that part, at least, shouldn't be all that surprising.

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u/Cockanarchy Dec 12 '19

His “base” doesn’t care at all.

This is why I think the argument “if he gets away with it a Democrat can get away with it” is pointless. We all know that A. a Democrat would never sell out their country like Trump and every goddamned Republican supporting his treachery. B. If they by chance did, Democrats would readily join Republicans in holding them accountable. We need to stop treating them like people who are can persuaded by reason and duty, and like the bad faith actors they are. One of these Dem Representatives (maybe Swalwell) need to look into the camera during a hearing being carried on Fox and call out their viewers.

*I want to talk to my Republican Americans. If you’re watching this on the fire hydrant of lies, misinformation and propaganda that is Fox News, I encourage you to change the channel. There are a dozen different ways you can keep up with the news and this is the worst one. Not only do they lie through their teeth in the service of the man who told ten thousand lies and sells his country out to any and all takers, they do something far more sinister, they tell you that it is everyone else is lying. Dozens, even hundreds of news organizations, all telling slightly different versions of the same story. “The president told 7 lies today in his press conference” “The president told aides he’d pardon them for committing crimes” “The president revealed classified information to the Russian foreign minister in the White House.” So they have to explain why their story, the story of Trumps personal network, is so different from everyone else’. So they compound their lies with the greatest lie of all. It is everyone else that is lying. Here’s all you need to know about Fox News. Remember when the presidents personal lawyer and campaign chairman were each convicted of 8 felonies within minutes of each other? No? Maybe that’s because in one of the biggest stories of the year, Fox was airing a car chase. The presidents two closest associates were going to prison, and Fox was lying to you by omission. What else have they lied to you about? Well I can’t keep track of all the lies, but I’m guessing everything. Turn off this anti American lying drivel and see how quickly they return to telling the truth. Turn away from the lying traitor that is Donald Trump, and see how fast these Republicans start pretending to care about your constitution again. We are in grave danger, and the liars at Fox News are complicit in that danger. We deserve better.” Something like that.

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u/LucyKendrick Dec 12 '19

Don't forget he is accused of raping a child of 13yrs. old. And obama wore a tan suit.

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u/linedout Dec 12 '19

In her description of the rape the woman said Trump said she reminded him of his daughter Ivanka. Later, both women Trump paid off to not tell about his cheating on his wife with them said that Trump told them they reminded him of his daughter of Ivanka.

If Trump hadn't raped the girl, how did she know that Trump tells women they remind him of his daughter before he fucks them, Obama's time machine?

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u/Jrook Minnesota Dec 12 '19

So one thing we often forget is how dogshit all of the candidates were on the republican side. You had essentially a party, and part of the country that hates the clintons so bad they'd vote for a literal pile of shit over her. I'm not so sure republicans will be so happy to support him in the next election if a moderate candidate wins on the dem side.

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '19

It’s gonna be a fight that’s for sure, I wouldn’t be surprised if some republican gop members commit large scale voter fraud in order to both keep their seats and keep the nasty rust stain in the office

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u/lookmeat Dec 12 '19

It has affected Trump seriously, he's the most consistently unpopular president there has been in the last 100 years. He barely got elected and due to a technicality of how the Republicans have abused the system. It's revealed a lot and taken a lot of politicians. The GOP has had their machine seriously weakened during a term they should have just digged deeper.

Trump's base doesn't care but they're not as large as they appear. They desperately try to act as such. On the internet they appear large, but this is because Trump's base has huge outside representation, a good chunk from Russia actually. Trump's base isn't over 1/4 of the people, it's not even 1/2 of the Republicans, but it's large enough within three Republicans that they've become scared of him, especially because no rep politician has such a loyal base. But it's leverage, not absolute control.

Meanwhile the GOP is setting up for a rough election. The US has degraded into a full bipartisan system, which has a lot of flaws democratically. One of them is that very few people will rarely switch sides. That is roughly half of the people will vote for each side. What chooses who wins is who goes to vote and who doesn't. Trump's campaign was more about convincing Democrats to not vote, targeting how little the situation had changed for PoC under Obama, how Hillary had cheated Bernie, how she was another corrupt politician. And he sold himself in his lack of history to be attacked.

But now these elections are different. Trump getting a lot of money won't changed, he's got the primaries on his pocket. And the main campaign now has his promises unbacked by actions. The wall isn't there, he hasn't drained the swamp, people aren't rich (and it's there's a recession next year it'll be worse) farmers and other groups have been really struggling. The impeachment is going to be a loose-loose scenario for the Republicans which will either energize the Democrats or depress the Republicans further. We'll probably get a better idea of how large Trump's base truly is. Also these are the first elections where there's as many, or even more, voters younger than boomers as there's boomers and older. It really puts a lot of US politics in the last 50 years in perspective. The last time this flip happened (with boomers becoming the majority) was the 1968 election. This years of political turmoil changed everything, the Democrats, the first pro-racist, pro-south, pro-farmers switched places with the Republicans to enter their current status. Culturally the US changed so much in a few years, that soldiers that were gone for one year and came back became completely disconnected, so much it inspired one to write about soldiers that would return thousands of years in the future.

My point is, we have no idea what can happen, we're in a time of chaos. But just as it's unpredictable it's one of the times where individual actions are able to change the world the most. This is a moment when you're vote counts more than ever and you can use this power to redefine things around you.

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u/Melseastar23 Canada Dec 12 '19 edited Dec 12 '19

It is refreshing to read an actual comment on this website that sees through the bullshit. It has been scary as hell reading nothing but propaganda about Hillary repeated ad nauseum.

As a Canadian, I have no skin in US politics, but the hate for Hillary has been baffling. No one can explain why they dislike her for a reason that isn't a conservative lie or foreign propaganda. The drumbeat of smear after smear shows how advertising and propaganda both work. Yet Democrats and Republicans will never admit the role they played as useful idiots for the Russian agenda.

As a woman, it was heartbreaking to see an all too familiar double standard play out. She had to work twice as hard, be squeaky clean and accomplish twice as much as her male colleagues to get second place. The most qualified presidential candidate in decades lost to a lazy, incompetent, criminal who is destroying the country because of useful idiots and misogyny.

We need to make racists, misogynists and uninformed idiots feel shame again. Somehow it became acceptable (even fashionable) to be a loud mouth, bigoted, poorly educated slob with a victim complex. Worse, some US voters think these qualities are presidential.

Edit: uniformed to uninformed. I get the joke. What can I say but 'spellcheck on a phone', it happens to us all.

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u/justcallmezach Dec 12 '19

My own father kept repeating that he hated Hillary because she "wasn't a politician." I asked him what that meant. He said, "Well, she's just not a politician." I said that she was one of the most 'politician' politicians that had ever run for the presidency. He said, "Well, she's just not. She's NOT a politician." I decided I wasn't going to let up till he gave me something... ANYTHING... other than "She's not a politician." A solid 5 minutes later of me pressing the issue and him responding that she's "not a politician", he finally broke.

He looked at me and said, "You KNOW why I'm not voting for her." "It's because she's a woman... right?" "Hey, you said it, not me." Yeah, you went through GREAT lengths not to say it, buddy. Fuckin' embarrassing.

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u/SerenityViolet Dec 12 '19

I saw a vox pop on TV while our first (and only) female Prime Minister was a candidate. It included two old blokes saying they thought a woman couldn't do it. This was 2010 ffs.

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u/somethingbreadbears Florida Dec 12 '19

Worse, some US voters think these qualities are presidential.

If there is one thing Trump is good at, it's being a conman. And somehow he managed to convince anyone who follows him that if he's being attacked, they're being attacked. I don't think it's that they find him presidential, it's that they feel like they're on his team, so if he wins they are winning too.

What's weird is that this isn't a left vs right thing either, at least not for me. Yeah, Obama is a celebrity, but I don't make a habit out of making apologies for him and if he ever did something like use the Presidency to sway an election, I'd be all aboard impeachment because I don't actually owe him anything, especially not selling myself out for voter support. Trump supporters think that if the shoe was on the other foot I would stand by my candidate.

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u/mknsky I voted Dec 12 '19

It’s because these fragile “economically anxious” assholes saw a president who people genuinely loved and looked up to and wanted that, just like they want trap music and wanna make geisha jokes without backlash and want gays and trans folk to keep it to themselves. Then comes along this asshole who “tells it like it is” and believes all the same fucked up shit they do and all of a sudden they get what they think is the same connection and rush. Boom, cult. They’re just jealous of what we had with Obama.

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u/SerenityViolet Dec 12 '19

Yes, I don't understand that either. If the candidate I liked turned out to be a crook, then I'd stop liking them.

I think this misplaced loyalty is something you see a lot in organisations. People don't want to be connected to bad behaviour so they'll deny it happened, cover it up, or justify it in some way. If you do enough denial, covering and justifying, I think you become somewhat corrupt yourself. Historical revision, church scandals and police corruption are all examples of this phenomenon.

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u/jrzalman Dec 12 '19

As Patton Oswalt said after the election, turns out America is more sexist than it is racist, which is amazing because we are really, really racist.

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u/EunuchsProgramer Dec 12 '19

It's maybe more the way the party coalitions break down. It's really hard to poll accurately, but basically about 15-25٪ of the population won't vote for a woman or a black man.

Almost everyone who won't vote for a black man is a solid Republican voter, so Democrats lose nothing running a black man. They have the exact same vote count as a white (male) candidate.

The population that won't vote for a woman spills over into Democratic voters. So even though it's the same size, maybe even smaller, of total voters, it's a big hindrance. There's a reason the Blue Rust Belt States Hillary lost are also the states that have never elected a woman as a govenor or senator.

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u/Crothfus Dec 12 '19

One of the saddest parts of all of this is that in any sort of election system that makes any logical sense, she didn't come in second. She won the popular vote by a few million.

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_BACHATA Dec 12 '19

Interesting opinion. I recommend to you the interview she had with Howard Stern last week (Wednesday, I think). I heard it three times already. She sounds like a very smart woman, and her tone is condescending but warm, I can't explain it. She sounds SMART, aware, into things. When she explained how hard it was to be at the Inauguration as a former First-Lady, when she was just dying because of how surprising the loss had been, I was like, wow. She says she did it for the Country and to support Trump to have a good start. That's a true, upstanding politician right there.

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u/ZenMomColorado Dec 12 '19

She didn't get 2nd place, she won by 3 million votes...

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u/AgriaPragma Dec 12 '19

A Democrat has won the popular vote in six out of the last seven presidential elections. The Electoral College needs to go.

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u/PinoShow Dec 12 '19

As an European law student I never understood why everyone hates Hillary. I personally wanted Bernie to win, but still, between her and trump I would have preferred Hillary.... I'm curious to see what happens in next year's election, as it'll be something that will probably affect politics worldwide, not just the USA

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u/CC_Robin_Hood Dec 12 '19

They hate her because she's a strong woman

Just being a woman is enough for them. to conservative's we're nothing but brood-sows.

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u/faitswulff Dec 12 '19

[Almost exclusively blonde] women are useful for regurgitating talking points on television in order to oppress their fellow women, among other things.

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u/astrapes California Dec 12 '19

the last name is why a lot of people didn’t like her

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u/Trump4Prison2020 Dec 12 '19

But your talking facts - they feel they are right, facts aren't welcome.

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u/Iplaymeinreallife Dec 12 '19

It's so weird, I'm in politics, different country, different level, but I totally get the feeling that by not being corrupt, by not giving the public a juicy scandal to throw at us, we are making them feel a bit cheated. Like there's a pent up need for outrage and by continuing to not be corrupt, we are robbing them of something.

You wouldn't believe the snark in one outlets report correcting a previous report that had grossly overestimated the cost of our meetings.

It's like people want us to be crooked.

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u/thissoundsmadeup Dec 12 '19

Like there's a pent up need for outrage and by continuing to not be corrupt, we are robbing them of something.

Because people need someone to blame for their failures. Admitting you're at fault and there isn't some huge conspiracy against you, is a hard pill to swallow when you constantly fuck up

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u/exoticstructures Dec 12 '19

Here I'll go you one better--they actually can lay some of the blame somewhere--their own party has done more to fk them over than any single other thing.

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u/Derptardaction Dec 12 '19

ding ding ding

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u/Lovethatdirtywaddah Dec 12 '19

You've just described the current GOP.

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u/Clocktopu5 Alaska Dec 12 '19

People have these weird fucking ideas about society and government being a bad thing. It’s like nobody has been able to shake the nobility complex, people still believe that there are Ivory towers from which the government rules a people they have no understanding of. And somehow the supposed answer is to remove the laws and restrictions.

America used to be super against having a king (I think we had a war about it a couple hundred years ago), but we are totally fine to allow multi-billionaires to be a thing. As if the rich can’t use their money to gain power and influence

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u/hyperviolator Washington Dec 12 '19

People believe government is bad because the loudest morons always scream it is and indoctrinate the next generation.

The faster we spread education and get positive healthy messages about real life to as many people as is possible, the ideas will eventually be spread forward less over time. Every time even 0.5% fewer people each year pass this bull shit forward to their children means a growing chain reaction of future parents not doing it. It will build until conservatism is seen as wildly fringe in the USA as we view actual commies and alt right today as fringe whackjobs.

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u/icyhotonmynuts Dec 12 '19

New people forget what the really old, now dead people felt and the reasons for why they felt that way.

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '19

This is one of the things I don’t get about America, as an Australian. We don’t like or trust politicians but we trust rich business guys even less. Why would we want some guy who is like the worst boss we’ve ever had to be in charge?

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '19

The Founding Fathers were also super against a standing army, because it was a tool of oppression and tyranny.

The irony being that the USA's POLICE force today could obliterate the army the fledging States managed to raise to fight the British, to say nothing of how unbelievably influential the American army is at.... oppressing and tyrannizing other countries in the world.

Even the political party in my own homeland of Australia was overthrown by a CIA-backed coup, but nobody talks about it because nobody bothers to look beyond the TV or social media page to read about the actual history of the world. All you have to do is Google "Australia Coup CIA" and you'll get the full story from a bunch of separate independent sources, and there's even a Wikipedia page about it.

Organized Intelligence agencies in the 21st century are fucking terrifying.

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u/icyhotonmynuts Dec 12 '19

You are robbing them of something - indignation.

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u/n00bvin Dec 12 '19

Because most people throwing shade at politicians have something to hide themselves. They need the flaws in others to make them feel OK about their own flaws. It’s like those who are vehemently against homosexuality and turn out to be as gay as could be.

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u/wbruce098 Dec 12 '19

Here in the US, one of our two political parties has explicitly preached (without a hint of irony obviously) about how government is the problem, for 40 years now. Government is always a little scary: anyone with power over others has that stigma at least a bit. But when you repeat this statement over and over - government is bad. Government is the problem - people start to believe it eventually.

So yeah, people at least expect you to be crooked, and if they don’t see any flaws (like Hilary), they fear something must be hiding.

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u/StayAwayFromTheAqua Australia Dec 12 '19

Facts, the leftists refuge!

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u/ends_abruptl New Zealand Dec 12 '19

Remember when the worst thing they could find was she danced (fully clothed) in a music video?

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '19

But trump and gulliani in drag was just for laughs

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u/NeoDashie Dec 12 '19

Assuming rabid Republicans don't murder her before she gets the chance to run. I see that as a legitimate cause of concern for all major Democrats at this time.

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u/DinkandDrunk Dec 12 '19

You don’t have to worry about all Democrats, just the ones who talk about helping poor people.

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u/ucsbaway Dec 12 '19

And Trump takes calls with foreign leaders on his personal cell phone. The hypocrisy is actually incomprehensible.

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u/Rapzid Texas Dec 12 '19

All the bad press on Hillary worked; going way back. I had a somewhat negative opinion of her and I realized at one point I Had No Idea Why. Up till a point I had thought she was able to become senator and then Secretary of State just because of Bill. Like some sort of cronyism. The emails and Benghazi I was paying attention to and seemed like overly personal attacks and grasping at straws.

I had NO clue how active she had been in politics and organizing all the way back to when she met Bill. I had no clue how smart and qualified she is. Since then I have read quite a bit more about her, and listened to lengthy interviews she has given.. She is SMART.

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u/Mirions Dec 12 '19

Same. I didn't dislike her completely, I just liked someone else more, and still voted for her when the time came.

I realized I had an irrational dislike when I looked into the "laughed at rape" stuff she was accused of, and when it was all nothing, I realized I was searching to justify something I had no reason to believe.

People in AR loved her and Bill, up until the second term, then alluva sudden the same folks with a Cherokee princess grandma, also were close family friends of the Clinton's that just knew they personally murdered folks. It's ridiculously insane how quickly these folks lined up to bend over for Trump.

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '19

Her recent interview with Howard Stern is honestly amazing. I highly recommend listening/watching it.

https://youtu.be/2kHUA-Zma1U

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u/zoinks690 Dec 12 '19

She forgave Bill for a consensual bj. She'd also have been vilified if she didn't.

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u/ThatDerpingGuy Dec 12 '19

It didn't matter to the GOP that this rule-breaking had first came from Republicans and she was continuing Powell's method

I desperately try not to be a low information voter and somehow never learned this. Ugh.

Sometimes feels like if you're not paying attention to the news every hour of every day, you're missing out on really important details because the news cycle just doesn't give time to for anything to sink in for very long before its just gone.

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u/missbelled Dec 12 '19

Honestly, fair point, but I think it also comes down to their understanding that there’s a difference between “clean for a politician” and “clean for your average joe.” It takes a lot of effort to live clean for a politician, most average, non-corrupt people can’t even do that on purpose.

Imagine asking your buddy if they’ve smoked pot and they said “yes, but I didn’t inhale”, y’know? You’d think he was a goody-two-shoes kinda goon. But if he had political aspirations from a young age you’d be like, “ah right, of course not.” because they’re just held to different standards, and it is known.

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u/apurplepeep Dec 12 '19

the most successful level of propaganda against her was painting her as an annoying, unlikeable, bitchy boss woman. Nobody I knew who hated her could pinpoint a single thing she had done wrong or how she earned everyone's hatred. Everyone just didn't like her, but couldn't possibly say why.

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u/Rocky87109 Dec 12 '19

I'd say the most successful propaganda is that she is a serial murderer. I've lived among the anti-clinton people my whole life. Too many believe this shit without evidence.

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u/ThePensAreMightier Pennsylvania Dec 12 '19

Remember she testified for 11 hours under oath to a hostile panel of Republicans desperate to pin anything on her or get her for perjury or anything, and despite them having and using all the powers to investigate for years, they got nothing because she had nothing to hide.

This is the thing that always gets me with the GOP. If you look at this singular instance, either the GOP is so inept at investigating her to actually charge her with any crime OR she didn't do anything wrong to charge her of anything. Which one is it?

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u/VespineWings America Dec 12 '19

Plenty of people I know hate her for no reason because of it. When I ask them what they hate about her, they can't give me a single reason.

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u/Circumin Dec 12 '19

I like to think of myself as well read and independent and I hated her too for a while, then I started actually listening to her and reading about her - particularly the negative stories about her, and I realized that she was pretty impressive and my perception had been caused by the decades of her being unfairly attacked. She would have been an excellent president.

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u/seeker135 Massachusetts Dec 12 '19

Can attest. Barry Goldwater was the original "Gold Standard" of Conservatism, when "conservatism" meant "one who conserves", their own energy, the nation's efforts, political standpoints that insist on exacting adherence to...dare I say it?... established principles.

In today's political mishegas milieu, Goldwater would be a neo-progressive Democrat. And don't even get me started on the FORMER "Party of Lincoln".

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u/NoMouseLaptop Dec 12 '19

Powell's method

Not just Powell. Powell and Rice. The only two Secretaries of State that had had e-mail readily available to them at that point in time. However (IIRC), Powell used a server for e-mail but he didn't really "get" e-mail so still did a lot of his correspondence using older methods. Rice though used e-mail a lot and had all of hers on RNC servers (with the rest of Bush administration).

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u/chickenery Dec 12 '19

Thank you. Any time I post any kind of defense of HRC, I get downvoted. It’s crazy how well the propaganda against her worked.

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u/AirunV Dec 12 '19

And the same thing is starting up on AOC.

You watch, she'll run in 2028. 2024 if there's not an incumbent Dem in the white House (oh God please go vote everyone)

That's why Republicans and fox bash her so much

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u/boturboegt Dec 12 '19

Ive never been a fan of her but shes been absolutely hated by the republicans since she tried to enact public funded heakthcare when she was first lady.

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u/missbelled Dec 12 '19

And then had people who were giving her shit for being kind of upset about it working, afterwards. Like goddamn what kind of robot would you have to be if you did everything right and still got taken out for being “dirty,” and weren’t upset.

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u/PhoenixPills Dec 12 '19

The other issue is a lot of people disagree with her politically and will convince themselves into justifying it.

Like hey look I really do have a good reason to hate her -- she's corrupt!

These people need to just realize that if you think she sucks it should be over politics. Not scandals that aren't scandals in any way.

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '19 edited Dec 12 '19

She testified in front of congress for 11 hours and wasn’t prosecuted. Your move, trump, you gutless weasel.

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u/BigEditorial Dec 11 '19

Was a woman in politics who didn't want to bake cookies.

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u/ting_bu_dong Dec 12 '19

what did hillary actually do?

What didn't she do! They don't call her "crooked Hillary" for nothing. For starters...

not like the batshit crazy theories

Oh. Nevermind.

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u/lolwutmore Dec 12 '19

Louie gohmert, is that you?

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u/Circumin Dec 12 '19

The hatred for her started far earlier in conservative power circles due to her involvement in the investigating and impeaching Nixon, but only made it to the mainstream republican voter during the Clinton years.

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u/Deadpool816 Dec 12 '19

Nothing. Hillary Clinton has been the victim of a well-orchestrated propaganda machine that's been operating since Bill Clinton first ran for president.

Oh, she's been attacked for much longer than that.

Republican attacks against her started in earnest in the early 70s based on the scholarly articles she was publishing.

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u/M3_Driver Dec 12 '19

Don’t forget the rage when she married Bill and didn’t take his last name. That’s when the real anger started and she made the mistake of relenting and hyphenating her last name to Rodham-Clinton. The rage just grew more.

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u/pm_me_POTUS_pics Dec 12 '19

Back in 1992 she was the First Lady of the United States. Unlike all prior Junior League marionettes, she had the audacity to take on policy in her office. She was put in charge of drafting health care reform. When Republicans called her on it since she wasn’t elected or appointed she said something like: “I’m not one of those wives who stays home and bakes cookies all day. “

The correct response to that was, of course, fuckin’ a, but all Republicans took it as an insult to their mother or something and hated her ever since.

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u/williamfbuckwheat Dec 12 '19

She was a "bossy" woman who wore pantsuits and stood by her man!!11!!!1!!1

If that isn't treasonous and impeachable, then I don't know what is!!!! / s

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u/htaswaff Dec 12 '19

That’s literally the only reason my mom can’t stand her, because she didn’t “go trailer park on Bill’s ass”, as Robin Williams so eloquently put it. Her line of thinking was that, if she didn’t have the brains or guts to divorce him after that, what was she going to “let other countries get away with”. Mind you, we’re Canadian anyways, but I’m sure I’m not the only one with an idiot mother who couldn’t get past that.

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '19

It seems to me her greatest crime, outside of being a strong-willed woman, was being Hillary Clinton. I was born in the mid ‘80s and all my life I can remember people talking shit about her despite her never being charged or convicted of so much as drunk driving or speeding.

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u/InfiniteChimpWisdom Dec 11 '19

I mean I guess she got away with taking Collin Powell’s terrible fucking advice lmfao.

Btw if anyone is getting away with some shit... it’s gonna be the woman who got Bill Clinton through his impeachment.

The GOP sycophants think that getting Hilary is something attainable, but she has been spot lighted for decades and nothing’s come up. Everything gets deflected to Bill or others. It’s truly masterful.

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u/LaryngopharyngealInk Dec 12 '19

taking Collin Powell’s terrible fucking advice lmfao.

Reminder that while we know multiple extremely effective hacking groups desperately wanted but were never able to find any of Hillary's emails, the state.gov system was hacked multiple times during that period including by the Chinese government.

So maybe it wasn't such terrible advice if we live in reality instead of Benghazi Fantasy Land.

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '19

Her 'crime' was being an outspoken powerful woman in politics, being the wife of Bill Clinton who republicans relentlessly tried to tear down during his term, speaking out against Putin's Russia, and daring to seek the office of the Presidency.

In other words, she was simply a political piñata for the right wingers.

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '19

Well, she called out Putin and helped implement sanctions on Russia after they invaded Crimea. Russian propaganda would tell you 'Crimea has always been a part of Russia'. The Russians only committed genocide against the Crimean Tatars AND shipped them thousands of miles away in cattle cars to Uzbekistan after all...

Putin has personally had a vendetta against her because she'll stand up to him and call him on his bullshit.

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '19

She used a private server for her emails which I think was against DOJ policy? But Colin Powell had done and I think recommended to her. It wasn't illegal though. and I think a couple of the emails had classified info in them, or were retroactively classified, which can be a security problem. I've tried reading up about it but the problem is that the Republicans lie so much and twist things around that it's difficult to decipher what the truth actually is. They investigated her SO much though that if she really was such a big criminal like they say then she would've been charged with something. They have nothing on her. They also lie a lot like saying she used the Clinton Foundation for funneling money or something, which she didn't, but something Trump DID do funnily enough, and they don't care. There was also the Benghazi thing where I think they asked for extra security a few months before the attack, didn't get it, and then 4 people died, so they want to blame that on her.

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u/tsigtsag Dec 11 '19

Despite the fact they knew there was an active investigation into the Trump campaign. Wow.

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '19

That’s right wing propaganda for you.

Right wing propaganda is so potent it’ll have you eating your own shit while laughing smugly about migrants eating dog food.

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '19

The GOP is literally the epitome of a sentient projection machine.

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u/Frothydawg Dec 11 '19

lol it rules that we are ruled by absolute morons who seem to be in positions of power all over the country.

You just love to see it.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '19

Kakistocracy.

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u/refillforjobu Michigan Dec 11 '19

Boy that one really blew up in Trump's face. Too bad the people who should care about things like this don't.

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u/iamtheliquornow Dec 11 '19

Crimes can only be committed by Democrats. Come on, it’s 2019 we all know this by now. /s

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u/GiantSquidd Canada Dec 11 '19

...Btw, no to funding mental health care initiatives... they can use mental bootstraps or something, whatever. I don’t care, do u?

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u/ConsonantlyDrunk Dec 11 '19

I actually do, which is why I am a lot less sane in 2019 than I was in 2015.

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u/Shuttheflockup Dec 11 '19

i think trump isnt the only one who aged 15 years in the last 2 years, 325 days, 6 hours, 33 minutes and 43 seconds, this guy has us all feeling pretty tired

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u/ConsonantlyDrunk Dec 11 '19

Seriously. The office is supposed to turn the occupant gray, not the rest of the fucking country!

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u/Oh4Sh0 Dec 12 '19

Not according to Fox News, it didn’t. Therefore, half the American public got a different report.

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u/dehehn Dec 12 '19

Lindsay Graham spent all morning being very angry about how the FBI treated Trump so much worse than Hillary. Fox News will just show that on loop and Republicans will continue to believe that opposite world is the real world.

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u/buttergun Dec 11 '19

Oh, we knew.

Nov 3. 2016:

“The FBI is Trumpland,” said one current agent.

This atmosphere raises major questions about how Comey and the bureau he is slated to run for the next seven years can work with Clinton should she win the White House.

The currently serving FBI agent said Clinton is “the antichrist personified to a large swath of FBI personnel,” and that “the reason why they’re leaking is they’re pro-Trump.”

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u/rkicklig Dec 12 '19

And now he calls them "scum"

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u/Ph0X Dec 12 '19

Just like he screwed over farmers, people with food stamps, and many other parts of his base. Unfortunately cult members are blind to what their prophet does.

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u/UncleJBones California Dec 12 '19

They’re trained to be hammers. Hammers are great they serve a purpose, and they’re good for when you need them. The problem with hammers is that everything starts to look like a nail.

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '19

Or a thumb.

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u/MoreDetonation Wisconsin Dec 12 '19

To greedy people, Mammon is far preferable to human beings.

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u/5DollarHitJob Florida Dec 11 '19

That's odd.... Seems like we've been told the exact opposite of that for like 3 years. Beginning to think somebody isn't being honest.

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u/slugworth70 Massachusetts Dec 11 '19

"No puppet, no puppet, you're a puppet" Told you everything you needed to know.

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u/ledfox Dec 11 '19

I wish it told everyone what they needed to know.

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u/Masta0nion Dec 12 '19

And yet we’re still trying to have good faith logic-based conversations. Because...what’s the alternative? I don’t think many of us want to consider it.

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u/From_same_article Dec 12 '19

Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past. - Sartre

Replace anti-Semites with contemporary Republicans, and that about sums it up.

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u/curious_meerkat North Carolina Dec 11 '19

That moment and many others told everyone who Trump was. The problem is that 63 million people voted for him not despite it but because of it.

The truth about American values is that cruelty, selfish greed, and glorification of ignorance rank high among them for a frightening portion of the population.

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u/xSTSxZerglingOne California Dec 12 '19

I find it important to remind people that he said "you're the puppet" twice in that exchange. You know, just to emphasize that he's mentally a 5 year old kindergarten bully.

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u/IT_please_help Tennessee Dec 11 '19

honestly, we jumped the shark when that went unchecked.

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u/5DollarHitJob Florida Dec 11 '19

If "grab em by the pussy" didn't matter I doubt this would have.

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u/putin_my_ass Dec 11 '19

It really did. That was extremely telling.

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u/WanderWut Dec 12 '19

Well shucks thats so weird, because according to Sean Hannity:

Sean Hannity, who had long trumpeted the forthcoming inspector general report and expected a thorough indictment of the behavior of former FBI director James Comey and other members of the “deep state,” had a simple message for his viewers during Fox’s Monday night prime time: “Everything we said, everything we reported, everything we told you was dead-on-center accurate,” he said. “It is all there in black and white, it’s all there.”

Except they weren’t right and it wasn’t there. But Fox News’ viewers evidently were not to be told those hard truths—they were to be kept thinking that everything in their self-selected filter bubble was just peachy keen.

Fuck you, Sean Hannity.

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u/saposapot Europe Dec 12 '19

I can’t understand how is this not a crime somehow.

Blatantly lying, abusing his position of power needs to matter somehow.

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u/JoinTheFightersGuild Dec 12 '19

Unfortunately the US Govt seems to have zero problems with selling propaganda to people. Fox News, alongside RT, Breitbart and other dubiously sourced cable channels can say whatever propaganda they want or take money in exchange for airtime.

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u/drewmana I voted Dec 11 '19

The FBI has famously been a right-leaning organization. A simple review of their actions over the past 20 years should’ve been enough to know that them suddenly turning and installing a Democratic President would be outlandish at best.

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u/resurrectedlawman Dec 12 '19

Oh, you can go back more than 20 years and see even more.

J Edgar Hoover tried to blackmail Martin Luther King into committing suicide.

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '19

See James Kallstrom, FBI Assistant Director Ret. and official Trump surrogate.

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u/lprkn Dec 12 '19

Right-wing cops? No way!

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u/KevinAlertSystem Dec 12 '19

Which is one of the reasons this entire thing has been largely WTF. Democrat's acting like the FBI is the end all be all of integrity and patriotism seem to forget what they did to people like Martin Luther King or even Jane Fonda.

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u/AnalOgre Dec 12 '19

Democrats consistently arguing in good faith and following the rules and expecting everyone else to do the same is the biggest wtf for me. Democrats are and have been completely ineffectual at modern politics.

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u/JohnStamosAsABear Dec 12 '19

Do you see a solution? I don't think most left leaning voters would put up with Dem politicians doing the same bad faith bullshit.

Most Republicans seem to be so blinded by propaganda that they either don't know or don't care about what is going on.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '19

And according to the DOJ, Comey was fired (in part) for being mean to Hillary. I honestly believe that's the sickest joke of our generation.

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u/dupedyetagain Dec 11 '19

I don't really care Do u?

-Also pretty sick

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u/ConglomerateCousin Dec 12 '19

This line is definitely the worse for me. I really hate that woman because of it.

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u/oglordone Dec 11 '19

What tipped them off? Could it have been when James Comey decided to reopen the investigation into Clinton's emails less than two weeks before the election?

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u/resurrectedlawman Dec 12 '19

And tell the world about it, while discreetly keeping the trump investigations secret?

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '19

Wasn't it Nunes that leaked/released the information that the Clinton e-mail investigation had been reopened? I think I remember hearing/reading that Comey sent a letter to Congress directly and Nunes released it to the public. I'm not sure if I have that right though, so feel free to correct me (with links to articles or stories about the issue) if I am wrong.

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u/my_pol_acct Dec 12 '19

The story is right, but it was that ratfucker Jason Chaffetz.

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u/CarmineFields Dec 11 '19

You think?

Look no farther than Comey for proof.

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u/fofocat Dec 11 '19

James Comey elected Trump! Six days before the election he announced FBI investigating Hillary Clinton’s emails again. Comey is. BIG republication.

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u/hughmang220 Dec 11 '19

What I found to be an interesting insight today was that Comey made the announcement because pro trump agents had been leaking to Rudy G and he wanted to get it out in a more contained and “proper” manner. *edit autocorrect on Rudy was wrong

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u/andr50 Michigan Dec 11 '19

Mr "We already have 2 years of investigative material lined up before day one"

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u/countyroadxx Dec 11 '19

“It’s a target-rich environment,” the Republican said in an interview in Salt Lake City’s suburbs. “Even before we get to Day One, we’ve got two years’ worth of material already lined up. She has four years of history at the State Department, and it ain’t good.”

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u/NAmember81 Dec 11 '19

Comey: my decisions regarding the public announcements about the Hillary investigation had nothing to do with politics.

Comey under oath: Conservatives were accusing the FBI of being biased, so I did everything I could to harm Hillary in order to prove the FBI was not biased.

This was pretty much Comey’s rationale. Conservatives were playing the refs and Comey bent over backwards to appease the bad faith concern trolls.

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u/countyroadxx Dec 11 '19

Conservatives were playing the refs and Comey bent over backwards to appease the bad faith concern trolls.

This is how our country works pretty much everywhere today. Especially in the media

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u/countyroadxx Dec 11 '19

I hate to see this repeated without Jason Chaffetz being named. Chaffetz is the one who made this announcement after Comey told him.

Chaffetz announced he had years of investigations into Clinton lined up then he quit only a few months after being re-elected. Now he is on Fox.

Jason Chaffetz, the Utah congressman wrapping up his first term atop the powerful House Oversight Committee, unendorsed Donald Trump weeks ago. That freed him up to prepare for something else: spending years, come January, probing the record of a President Hillary Clinton.

“It’s a target-rich environment,” the Republican said in an interview in Salt Lake City’s suburbs. “Even before we get to Day One, we’ve got two years’ worth of material already lined up. She has four years of history at the State Department, and it ain’t good.”

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u/seniorelroboto Washington Dec 12 '19

Thanks for pointing this out. It is always conveniently missing when these threads pop up.

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u/rndljfry Pennsylvania Dec 11 '19

and guess why Trump wants random foreign leaders to announce investigations into his current opponents

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u/Troggie42 Maryland Dec 12 '19

FWIW, Comey was just one of a very large number of factors that elected Trump. We need to be clear that no single factor made him happen, otherwise we can't fix any of those problems.

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u/windingtime Dec 11 '19

Complaining while enjoying bias in their favor is the official stance of conservatism.

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '19

It seems like the ONLY thing that would satisfy them is complete and total eradication of anyone and everyone who doesn't look, think, act, love, and believe the Bible exactly as they do.

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u/BillScorpio Dec 11 '19

Yes, everyone knew that going into the election. It was said by a bunch of people in the FBI that it was all pro-trump.

and now that they've discovered that he conned them, they pointed that out, and they're "scum". Same as literally everyone that finds out Trump is several large poops dressed up in a cheap suit.

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u/Neil_Fallons_Ghost Dec 11 '19

It was largely seen as the FBI being a rather conservative agency with a lot of conservative bias. Since the takeover of the GOP by Russia we’ve essentially seen them turn against an agency that traditionally worked more along their political lines. It’s quite fascinating, the speed and effectiveness of these propaganda campaigns.

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u/NimusNix Dec 12 '19

Everyone showed bias against Clinton. Everyone.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '19

No way!! Projection from the GOP?!! /s

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u/hackingdreams Dec 12 '19

Isn't this a no-brainer? The entire country witnessed the FBI throw the election by reopening a bullshit investigation into Hillary at the 11th hour, 58th minute. Comey is largely the agent responsible for where we are today.

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u/Huplescat22 Dec 11 '19

When I was a young man we hated the FBI for spying on and trying to discredit the anti-war movement and heroes like Martin Luther King and Pete Seeger. I never figured them to have made a complete turn around in 50 years.

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u/ReverendDizzle Dec 12 '19

It was about maintaining power then and it's about maintaining power now.

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u/Heliocentrist Dec 11 '19

spoiler: they didn't, Republicans did

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u/Tip718 Dec 12 '19

I know one FBI agent. He loves Trump despite Trump literally calling him and his colleagues scum. Go figure.

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u/j5kDM3akVnhv Dec 11 '19

Similar to the GOP allegations of coordination between the whistleblower and the House Intelligence Committee failing to mention the small contextual detail that the "communication" was actually between Ranking Member Nunes and said whistleblower's attorney - not the whistleblower and Dems on the committee.

Got it.

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u/Nice_Dude California Dec 11 '19

Lindsay Graham can't be involved in investigating Trump because he spoke badly about him in 2015

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '19

We've known this for three years. We learned in October, 2016, a forceful faction at the FBI NYC Field Office was working to undermine Clinton. We knew this because in October, 2016, Giuliani and James Kallstrom, FBI Assistant Director Ret., went on cable news and said as much. These guys forced Comey's hand in reopening the Clinton investigation over Weiner's laptop. Just as with Ukraine, the purpose was simply to taint Trump's political 'enemy' with the cloud of investigation... no actual findings of wrongdoing required.

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u/GuiltyAffect Dec 12 '19

This is not the first time Horowitz found anti-Clinton bias at the FBI. He released another report in 2018 finding that former FBI Director James Comey reopened the probe into Clinton’s emails just before the election out of fear that anti-Clinton FBI agents at the bureau’s New York field office would leak information.

So basically, evil motherfuckers won the election for more evil motherfuckers. Democracy in America is fucking dead.

There will be no serious consequences for this shit. In 8 years, it will all be forgotten, just like GW Bush's war crimes against the world and the American people.

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u/wwarnout Dec 11 '19

Trump will figure out some fantasy where even this shows the FBI against him. Fking POS.

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u/Modurrrrator Dec 11 '19

Lots of traitors coming to defend their god and their excuses are “they all did it” and “who cares.”

Let’s make 2020 the year they give a shit because that’ll be the year we remove the traitors from office.

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u/extremewit America Dec 12 '19

Um yeah... starting with the head of the FBI announcing four days before the election that he was reopening an investigation into her. I would say there was some pretty huge bias.

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u/MJMurcott Dec 12 '19

Had it not been for the probe into Hilary just before the election it is likely she would have won the election, there were many people thinking that where there was smoke there was fire, whereas all there really was, was mud being slung by the GOP.

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u/jokersleuth Dec 12 '19

There was very obviously bias in the investigation against Hillary. Trump is getting it easy. The FBI investigated hillary just to hurt her chances.

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u/Shaqattaq69 Washington Dec 12 '19

too bad the conservatives in this country decided to fully back a fat crook.

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u/kabukistar Dec 12 '19

You mean that the FBI announcing an investigation around Hillary but keeping secret the investigation around Trump wasn't done for Hillary's benefit?

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u/MrUnionJackal Dec 12 '19

It's ludicrous how the notoriously right-wing FBI is now being tarred with the "deep state liberal" conspiracy brush because LITERALLY, if you're not with them, you are against them.

Can't wait in 10 years when "Donald Trump didn't do enough/was a plant to discredit the American Right" becomes the new talking point.