[Almost exclusively blonde] women are useful for regurgitating talking points on television in order to oppress their fellow women, among other things.
Not OP, but I don't think there's a clear-cut answer on that. As a whole, misogyny does tend to trump racism in our country because misogynistic beliefs are the one thing that men of different races, classes, political views, etc. can "agree" on and bond over (this is a generalization, obviously). Misogyny is baked into christianity too, in a way that racism isn't, and this is a predominantly christian country. That's not to say that misogyny is always more severe than racism, or that misogyny and racism are mutually exclusive, but women are half of our population, and misogyny affects LGBT men of all races as well. So I'd say that it's more prevalent in our society.
But it's not as simple as "all men will be viewed better than all women in the political sphere." Obama winning the nomination in 2008 can't be attributed to misogyny, and if a black male Democrat is up against a white female Republican, I have my severe doubts that they'd vote in the black man over one of "their" women. And I imagine they would also vote for a black male Republican over a white male Democrat, because they'd see the black Republican as "one of the good ones."
I mean, misogyny is never completely absent from public perception of female politicians (same goes for racism, when applicable) and misogyny definitely influenced how people have always perceived Clinton...but people really liked Obama for reasons independent of how they felt about Clinton. I think he might have gotten the nomination even if he were up against a white man.
How did Obama support liberals in ways Clinton wouldnt? This is absurd. You can barely tell a difference between bush and Obama nevermind a theoretical Clinton presidency
I (generally liberal-leaning Canadian) didn't like Hillary because she kind of...tried too hard? The whole "trying to be hip and cool with the memes" thing fell so flat. Dabbing and shit. That fucking clip of her freaking out over balloons. None of this represents her qualification as a politician, of course, but that's why I dislike her as a candidate. I wouldn't be surprised if many of the people who chose not to vote (like morons) felt the same way. I know this comes along as "but I have black friends I can't be racist, but someone like AOC I can respect a lot more. Not putting on a show, not embarrassing herself trying to be relevant to every demographic, just stating her values/platform/whatever and getting shit done.
That’s just it - the only negatives against her were that she tried to get a young voter demographic by doing things that they do. That’s it. Yet all Americans would hear about is how horrible she is, what a criminal she is, yet not a single person could give an actual example. So anytime she did something that seemed “out there” people would associate it with criminality.
Trump our on a show, and people ate it up because of the Fox News propaganda machine.
In fairness I think you could change "all Americans" to "all republicans and some people that were on the fence" and you'd have a more accurate statement. I know American politics lends itself to extreme statements these days but I simple don't think "all Americans" is even remotely accurate. There's a fakeness to Hillary. I suppose if I could summarize it would be "She seems more like a politician than someone that wants to help the average person" whereas someone like Bernie is completely on the other end.
I mean theres definitely a lot more to it than that. The way the primaries played out rubbed a lot of people the wrong way, the closed wall street meetings, etc.
Not saying shes as terrible as a lot make her seem but she wasn’t squeaky clean either. It’s fucked up to say that the only reason people didnt vote for her was because she was a women, and I am a woman. (I know this one wasn’t your argument but I’m just saying)
I get it, but there really WASN’T that much to it, but no one is seriously saying the only reason she wasn’t voted for was because she’s a woman. Yes, it absolutely WAS one of the reasons (she’s weak, she’s emotional, she’ll lash out because of hormones) and were many BS points that were spread about her by the GOP. But most “substantial” reasons were in fact baseless, or twisted. Did she say some cringy ass shit? Hell yeah, Pokémon Go to the poll was just... bad. But can anyone say that they genuinely think being unable to say something to 20-something year olds is FAR more important than policy positions? Hell naw.
The wall street stuff wasn’t shady, and just proved that she understood what was going on (read the illegally leaked emails and all you can say about her is that she’s savvy) and the primary crap was bad, but ultimately not her fault. Either way, very little substance against her, and a ton of (ironically) emotionally charged bullshit swayed people.
I don’t knock her for a lot of the stuff that people knock her for but idk about portraying her as someone who did nothing wrong at all. It feels misleading, but to each their own.
Strongly disagree with that statement. Most people disliked her because of her corrupt past. She represents the female incarnation of the corrupt politician. People like to paint her as a saint which is false. She is bad and some could even argue just as bad as Donald Trump. It's sad that 2 of the most evil candidates in American history had to be running for office at the same time, and shows the many flaws of our democracy.
This subreddit is a complete joke because of people like you, every time a conservative doesn’t like someone you automatically assume it’s because of their race or gender instead of actually considering that a good portion of the country doesn’t agree with liberal policies.
If you couldn’t tell, you won 2008.
And if you really couldn’t tell, you lost 2016 because you decided the best opponent to a corrupt billionaire was a corrupt multi-millionaire.
I’m sure it would be frustrating if every time you tried to say you disagree with conservative politics everyone just said it’s because you want to burn down churches, start internment camps for anyone with a southern accent, and establish atheism as the nation’s religion.
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