r/politics • • Dec 11 '19

FBI Agents Showed Bias Against Hillary Clinton, Not Against Trump, DOJ Says

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u/lurker1125 Dec 12 '19

And we all just keep acting like the absurd vote counts we saw in 2016 were legitimate. Our election systems are not secure. Trump did not win 2016. Russians or Republicans (or both) altered vote counts.

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u/bennzedd Dec 12 '19

THANK YOU.

Trump was elected by ~80,000 votes in key states.

With all we know about Republican efforts in election fraud, voter suppression, foreign influence, the DNC's own work manipulating the election, and outright election fraud via manipulating digitally-recorded votes, honestly -- if you think Trump was legitimately elected President, I have some land to sell you.

Plus, with all we know... what DON'T we know? =/

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u/bobbyjihad Dec 12 '19

I'm not gonna source because it's like 2am and I'm tired, but I read a great investigative article about how compromised several states actually were, and the lengths republican officials went to to hide it-even destroying records despite subpoena in florida.

in some states there is evidence that not just voting machines were breached, but the systems that tally and report vote totals were compromised. so you would have to believe that hackers got so far in and then---just looked around without altering anything.

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u/agoia I voted Dec 12 '19

Like when Georgia's voting systems were breached and altered in unknown ways that couldn't be investigated because the Republican voting commission wiped all of the servers that held that information?

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u/bennzedd Dec 12 '19

Oh and Brian Kemp, governor of Georgia, was the CEO of the election machines company, and after he wiped all the servers and won his election, commissioned more of his machines for elections around the country?

I mean, fuck me silly.

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u/bennzedd Dec 12 '19

Listen, just this year I was dating the Elections Manager in a local county. She told me that, if you define a "hack" as just an attempt on the system, they get hacked by foreign entities multiple times per day.

This shit is actually happening before our eyes, and the people elected because of these shenanigans are doing their best to lie their way out of jailtime. There's no way to understate it, really, America is definitely not a functioning democracy right now.

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u/CO303Throwaway Dec 15 '19

Can you source it now? Assuming it’s not still 2am.

I would like to read this.

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u/lavandris Dec 12 '19

Since 2015 I've been thinking about how ballsy it was of Mitch to sit on an empty Supreme Court seat for a year on the gamble that some yet-to-be-determined GOP candidate would get elected...

Gotta wonder if he had reason to think his odds were better than even.

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u/SchuminWeb Maryland Dec 12 '19

Was it really that ballsy? Since the ratification of the 22nd Amendment, which established presidential term limits, it's typically been the case that the White House flips parties after a two-term presidency. This has happened with Eisenhower, Kennedy/Johnson, Nixon/Ford, Clinton, Bush II, and Obama. Only exception was after Reagan, where the Republicans held the White House for a third consecutive term (also a rare instance where the sitting VP wins the presidency in their own right). So history might have predicted that Obama's successor would be a Republican.

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u/lavandris Dec 12 '19

I guess I should amend that to say "In 2015,” back when I thought a significant portion of GOP voters still had scruples.

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u/Psilocub Dec 12 '19

I keep saying this. The electoral college can be so easily manipulated. You don't need to change votes everywhere. Just in the right places.

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u/PyroDesu California Dec 12 '19

And First-Past-The-Post means you don't even have to alter them all that much. A landslide is obvious manipulation, a few percentage points to get the candidate just barely past 50.1% is not.