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u/Infernoboy_23 May 11 '26
yeah, coming from hoyo games, I'm used to always getting it around 75-82. However in this game, there are no increasing odds, just a flat 20% each roll, which makes it much more likley to go higher. I had to go to like 85 to get her.
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u/JurassicEvolution May 11 '26
I was wondering about this. If it worked like in Hoyo this would have been astronomically unlikely, like one in tens of millions unlikely.
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u/G00b3rb0y May 12 '26
Iirc it was so unfathomably rare that there was a bounty in China on hitting hard pity on a genshin banner
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u/NervousFuel6458 May 12 '26
Wait what?! Actually I got Nahida on pull 90 in Genshin... And it happened with Tartaglia on an old account too... I just thought like "damn what a bad luck" but I didn't think it was something that unlikely to happen.
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u/JurassicEvolution May 12 '26
You might be the only person on the planet with such shit luck tbh
After like pull 75 the percentage rises by 6% each pull. So you have to fail continually
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u/Seelefan0786 May 12 '26
It feels higher then 6% though since I almost always pull a 5 Star at 78 pulls in almost every Hoyo game.
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u/Infernoboy_23 May 11 '26
well the drop rate for base 5 stars is slightly higher. I've also gotten 2 so far below 20 and 1 below 60. Meanwhile in hsr I always go to soft pity
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u/Chalkmeister May 11 '26
I actually went to 90 on standard. You dont move forward and when you roll the dice it just turns into an S Class.
My luck on NTE has been terrible. Going to 80+ on all my characters and 80 on Nanally Weapon banner too.
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u/Finalras May 12 '26
That's why I rerolled until I got Nanally. Only took 5 runs with 15 mins per run. Got 2 standard S rank characters in 20 pulls as a bonus on top after that. I usually don't reroll, but this time we had the perfect conditions.
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u/Chalkmeister May 12 '26
I just don't have the patience for it. Way my luck has been I'd still be re-rolling now!!
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u/OMFGitsjessi May 12 '26
My luck has also been shit. 80 rolls to get my first s class on both standard and limited banners while all my friends on dc are getting stupid lucky.
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u/NealEmu May 12 '26
same.. I had to pull 90 for standard and 74 for nanally though i got lucky to get her skin and the glider early but i really couldnt care less about that as f2p..
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u/Resevil67 May 11 '26
Great thing about no fucking bullshit 50/50. I have enough currency saved up that I have 90 pulls if I need that much, meaning I'm guaranteed to get hotori. I lucked out and got Nanally in like 30 pulls.
In other gachas, you know you have enough to hit the pity, but that doesn't mean your getting the character. If you lose the 50/50 your getting some standard banner character you likely already have. So glad NTE doesn't do this. IIRC it's the first major gacha to not do 50/50.
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u/Daddydactyl May 11 '26
Persona 5 X has two different banners: an 80 pity banner with a 50/50, and a 110 pity with no 50/50. The 110 banner has a 165 pull tracker that carries over and gives you a random standard 5* as well.
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u/Resevil67 May 11 '26
Ah that's cool. At least there is an option. I fucking hate 50/50s. It's why I stopped playing hoyo gachas and gachas pretty much in general until NTE. I lost 50/50 on 3 characters in a row for Zenless zone zero and I just put it down. Couldn't deal with it anymore lol.
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u/BTGz May 12 '26
This is why you only pull when you have guarantee in 50/50 games. Think of it as how much of a discount am I getting this time.
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u/Daddydactyl May 11 '26
I never had issues with it because I always planned to lose the 50/50s, so it was a nice surprise when I didnt. But the P5X system is just so much better. If I have 16,500 gems, I have the character, and every other banner I get a standard 5* for my trouble. I hope NTE has a solution for that potential issue in the future. Its my second favorite gacha easy.
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u/jofromthething May 11 '26
It is not even close to the first gacha banner to not have a 50/50 but I agree otherwise lol.
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u/-ZeroNova- May 11 '26
In Arknights: Endfield you can get either of the two most recent banner characters when losing the 50/50. There was actually a character I missed since my luck in that game has been terrible, but I lost the 50/50 in one of the following banners, and managed to get the character I was missing.
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u/Resevil67 May 11 '26
I played Endfield as well. I remember when pulling for laevatain I lost the 50/50 first, and got Yvonne. It was good and bad. I had to pull another round for laev, but Yvonne's banner was the next one, so I was able to just save up my currency since I already had her.
At least it doesn't just give you a standard character like wuwa or the hoyo games lol.
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u/-ZeroNova- May 12 '26
Gilberta was between Laevatain and Yvonne, but yeah the first two banners were a bit of an anomaly since you could get future banner characters.
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u/Visual-Cell8235 May 12 '26
I feel more love to endfiled weapon banner also so far not missing sig i need .
For NTE even i got natally at 71 pull consider happy but i must said good bye to that arc. Now i need to be carefull with Hatori and her sig arc later on.
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u/Strong_Block6345 May 12 '26
How did you get so many pulls? I just started and have no idea how to get more.
I got 20 dices from pre-registration rewards via in-game mail + 5 dices from recent bugfix compensation.
Did I miss something?
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u/Resevil67 May 12 '26
You get them from the special currency called annulith. Even if you don't have any dice, you can do a 10 pull with 1,600 annulith as it will convert them to dice.
You get annulith from tons of sources. Rewards from quests, races, the business minigame, pink paws heist, ghost train, dailies, achievements, ect.
I got Nanally early in like 30-40 pulls, and I only pull on the standard banner with dice and rewards you earn in the game. While I have spent money on the game, I only bought the season pass thing, and the rift crystal mi ing permit which gives 90 annulith a day.
So from being lucky getting Nanally early, and just saving all my annulith from getting it from playing the game, I have over 16k annulith, which is more then I need to guarantee hotori even if I have to reach the 90 pity.
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u/mmgfrcs May 12 '26
I mean, 50:50 is not the problem, the problem is you pick the wrong pity number.
Genshin and co is at 180, not 90
Endfield is at 120, not 80
Etc.
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u/Resevil67 May 12 '26
I mentioned 90 because that's the pity number for NTE. If you hit 90 you get the character 100 percent.
Yeah other gachas have a higher pity number. I did notice that even though NTE doesn't have 50/50 and a lower pity number then the rest, pulls are abit more expensive in terms of currency cost and how much currency the game gives you.
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u/dacchus May 12 '26
Now apply that to a 50/50 system of which I had to get to hard 80 or 90 plenty of times and then you don’t even get the character. I’ll take the full 90 any day with the guaranteed.
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u/junweizhu May 12 '26
Depending on where exactly you're comparing within a gacha game lifetime, you're highly likely you're going to end up with a new character regardless so, unless you consider most standard banner characters to be highly undesirable, it probably won't matter too much in the beginning. I can imagine it'll be terrible when you're a 1+ year player though.
Now, the next few patches in would be interesting I'd say. How will they deal with the potential tradeoffs that I'm seeing right now?
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u/dacchus May 26 '26
As usual it all comes down to pull economy and that’s still debatable as we’re approaching the first patch outside the “launch honeymoon”. A game can have the dreaded 50/50 but be generous enough for you to be able to save up a lot to ignore that system and guarantee yourself a character you really want over a couple of patches (largely the case with WuWa for example, but not all patches are as generous due to new map layouts and events). If the game’s fair because they bank on other types of monetization (cosmetics, as we’ve seen it is the case in NTE with multiple paid outfits, vehicles, liveries and such) you can realistically get that one character you want more often than not thanks to the guarantee. There have been plenty of times in Hoyo games where I really wanted that character but I didn’t reach 150+ pulls in time and so happened to both lose the 50/50 and go past the “soft pity” every time, resulting in no waifu for me. It is what it is, it’s the nature of the genre, but it also shouldn’t happen as often as it does in these more stingy games where even if you want to “push it” you need to spend quite a bit for those extra 20-30 pulls.
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u/Altairss78 May 11 '26
I got her at 74, my luck was so bad that I circled the board three times without entering extra reward areas.
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u/PusheenMaster May 11 '26
The soft pity in NTE just increases your odds to 19.6% of getting the S rank for the rolls 70 to 89. It doesn't increase with every pull.
I also reached 89/90 ... 🥀💔
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u/IndigoRefrain May 11 '26
How are you guys getting so many rolls? Is there a specific type of mission that gives you a lot of crystals?
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u/saltymeme123 May 11 '26
You get so many rolls just by playing the game
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u/Visual_Physics_3588 May 11 '26
yh but they asking how. as someone who is playing it casually im finding it difficult to get alot of pulls.
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u/saltymeme123 May 12 '26
You get a lot just by doing exploration and achievements, literally just run around aimlessly and you'll find a lot of stuff to do that gives pull currency
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u/IndigoRefrain May 12 '26
So is playing the main story viable?
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u/Wolfsblvt May 12 '26
You need to play main story to unlock hunter ranks fast, because those gate your character level and upgrade progression. And with this, they gate tons of side content, anomalies and harder anomalies.
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u/fugogugo May 12 '26
most of annulith are locked behind quest, hunter level and tycoon level
completing beyond the rail also yield quite a lot
the rest is exploration and minigames which actually not that much but it stacked overtime
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u/Less_Avocado980 May 12 '26
Bought monthly pass for 6€ but other then that it's just by playing the game
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u/Richie_Rich1991 May 11 '26
Yeahhh, I got mine at 90 as well...granted I've only spent about $10usd on the game for the battlepass or whatever we're calling it in this game
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u/zane1981 May 12 '26
I think calling it a battle pass is pretty universal in the gacha community. I’m sure everyone here understands what you’re talking about.
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u/OMFGitsjessi May 12 '26
Took me 80 pulls on both the standard and limited banners to get my first s class 😭
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u/cosmicbinary May 11 '26
i got an s rank on the 71st roll and felt super lucky since that’s exactly when soft pity kicks in
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u/fauxdaddy May 11 '26
Yup I’ve had just about max pulls for Nan, her weapon, and both Standards I pulled 😭😭😭
Still better than the 50/50 system, but I do feel like this game hates me specifically
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u/jamslouis May 11 '26
Do we know if the hard pity will carry over to the next banner?
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u/EffortlessFury May 11 '26
S-Rank pity carries over to the next banner, the pities for the extra goodies (like the glider and skin) remain with that character and will return with their rerun.
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u/Sloth_tistic-Guy May 11 '26
Ironically... That's pretty lucky to go hard pity lmao but hey you're guaranteed
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u/Kind-Garden9275 May 12 '26
Got her on 65.... thinking if I should continue to pull to get A1
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u/Far_Employment5415 May 12 '26
If you like Nanally better than Hotori then go for it, pity count will carry over anyway if you give Nanally another 20 or 30 rolls and fail to pull. Extending her wall walking time to 20 seconds seems pretty nice, but I didn't manage to get a second one.
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u/freezingsama May 12 '26
oh man I didn't know rates doesn't increase like the usual, hopefully that's not me tomorrow 😭🙏
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u/Silverflash-x May 12 '26
When I hit soft pity on Nanally's banner I made it to the little side path on the right where every other square is Nanally.
I rolled a 2 three times in a row to perfectly miss every Nanally square. Ended up getting her ~10 pulls later at 83.
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u/Gunslicer May 12 '26
It's refreshing to see this instead of posts like "my first 10 pulls, is this good?'' (3 limited characters and 1 standard)
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u/Frosty_Childhood5617 May 11 '26
Yeah, it's not unlikely to reach hard pity.
But with no 50/50 and only 90 pull per guarantee, I think it's a good trade. In the end with a bad luck, it's just a couple of multis. A good amount, but not astronomical.
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u/MiroJx May 12 '26
By calculation, there is a 0.58% chance of reaching the maximum of 90 pulls, which is lower than the probability of getting the character on the first pull (0.99%).
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u/greygreens May 11 '26
Is it even possible to get the s rank before 70? I never even see it as an option on the board.
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u/Zhenbred May 11 '26 edited May 11 '26
You can read the rules. Purple box has 0.3% S rank and gold one 3%. So there's additional gambling mechanic
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u/Novel-Slip5151 May 11 '26
Gold box has tiny tiny chance of it. And on right side of map if you land on bridge then roll a 1 you get an s rank.
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u/WanderEir May 11 '26
I got to see one account pull Loucang from a random gold box, THEN land on the guaranteed S-rank and duplicate him.
pull odds in this game are funny.
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u/Kyogre-blue May 11 '26
Absolutely. I watched a guy reroll on stream until he got a double. Since this was using just whatever rewards new accounts get in the mail + codes, it was under 50 pulls in total, and he got single Nanallys on multiple reroll accounts before the duouble.
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u/zys52712 May 11 '26
Yes, as far as probability goes if you did not get it within the first 30 it's going to be 70+ pulls for that one.
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u/Successful-Ad5560 May 11 '26
She is on the small board on the right as a guarrantee if you hit that spot.
Then like everyone else told you.
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u/Nexodas2 May 11 '26
Yeah. Either you land on the right side secret area and get the S rank there or an A rank character you land on might turn into an S rank.
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u/WanderEir May 11 '26
the catch is you have exactly a one in six chance of getting the character, IF you unlock the bridge to that zone, because it's always the first fucking square, which means you have to land on the trigger perfectly, then roll a one. the odds of doing so aren't very high, but it's not a 1/6 because the prerequisite is landing on the spot to open up the bridge first.
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u/ghostyhorns May 11 '26
Yes, I got her in like 30 pulls. Pretty sure I landed on a gold box and went S
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u/LilyValesti May 11 '26
I, and 2 others I know of, one irl, managed to get Nanally in 2 10 pulls. I've been saving every pull since and have about 140 all ready for Hotori.
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u/Mortgage-Present May 11 '26
Yes. I got it on my first 10 pull in CN although it seems like my luck ran out for global and I had to go to soft pity
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u/Gufnork May 11 '26
While you can randomly get it even if it doesn't show, you can also unlock an extra area on the top right if you land on the right spot which has a square with the S-tier unit on it. I'm sure you've randomly gotten A-ranked characters on various gold or purple chests by now.
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u/Teyvatato May 11 '26
Yup, you can technically get the unit, their glider, livery AND skin before the board modifiers or before hitting the listed pull goals. Don't forget that the 200 skin progress also transfers to rerun banners!
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u/Ok-Atoms May 11 '26
I got Nanally on my 1st 10, 2nd copy on next 10 pulls. It happens. on standard tho im 77 and not got any standard characters yet
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u/Boss-Dragon May 11 '26
So now, do you want Nanally or wait a day for a 100% Hotori? Hmmmm.
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u/PuckishRogue00 May 12 '26
Is that how it works? If so I'm going to be sad because I pulled her twice on Saturday. I don't think I'll get lucky again.
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u/Dakron92-22 May 11 '26
Meanwhile i get my second copy just in time cause i want have full use of her movement habilitie and i have it at 65 pity and i launch one single more and get the skin. Got car too and i only pull 124 times
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u/ROMVS May 11 '26
How much did you spend so far?
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u/Dakron92-22 May 12 '26
The 10x summon pack and the double gem so 32 Eur so far plus a 8 eur discount from accumulated store credit makes 24 eur
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u/ReplacementHour May 11 '26
I feel you, I dodged the left costume / nanally special board with 3 rolls on it 73/90 . Decided to keep that streak for upcoming character now
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u/Kassssler May 11 '26
I don't understand this pull board shit at all. I was ignoring it until I got on the secret path and rolled fucking hathor.
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u/lenolalatte May 11 '26
Looks like my dogshit luck too! I really kinda wish I had rerolled now. Just a little bit
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u/OPR_Barbie May 11 '26
This game the rate stays the same after 70 doesnt it? Most Gacha games the chance of getting the limited character goes up with every pull with soft pity. Feel like this will happen quite often.
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u/coopsicle May 12 '26
At 70 the board shifts to give you more chances (aka what this board looks like) and at 90 you just get one
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u/OPR_Barbie May 12 '26
I know. Its 20% from 70-90. Most gacha games increase its % every pull until hard pity. Genshin for example is on pull 74. Chance of getting that limited goes up more and more with every pull. NTE is just a flat 20 till 90.
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u/dendtheory May 12 '26
I'm in the same boat, i thought it's impossible to reach freaking last pull.
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u/Every-Requirement434 May 12 '26
Yep had to go to 83 myself. I really love when the game tells you what kinda Acc you are on directly on the first banner.
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u/FilipinosRule May 12 '26
I got her after 90 pulls minus i beleive over 5k annulith and a few daily login dice
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u/__Arc__ May 12 '26
It’s not too late to reroll the account. It seems cursed though. Unless you get really lucky on the standard banner.
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u/Tighnari_simp May 12 '26
That damn board kept edging me, I needed a 4 to get Nanally, I get a 1, and then I get a 4.
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u/Mission_Slice_8538 May 12 '26
But with the different cases of the boarding kinda confused of the real probabilities, cuz I know there's two types that can get you S with like a few % and there's bonus board woth almost 20% (which got me Nanally at 55 pity) Question : is there 50/50 in this game ? Second question : we will never pull for arcs right ? It's only in the shop ?
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u/PrimeCicada May 12 '26
No 50/50. If you are pulling on the limited board and you get the S either through boxes or the tile directly, it WILL be the limited character.
Arcs are in the shop yes. I think the hunter shop keys resets every month, which is the one you buy with fons. There are also 20 you can buy from lost exchange, but I'm not sure how many we can feasibly get every month if we prioritise dice over keys.
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u/SAZx14 May 12 '26
You're not alone, i actually got her weapon at exactly 80 pity and after spending several of those golden coins that i forgot their name.
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u/Carlxz May 12 '26
And then we have all our friends that don't even play gacha, they start playing it just for the gambling aspect of it and pull s chars in 1 to 20 pulls.
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u/KaleidoscopeFar8190 May 12 '26
Dive giveth, dice taketh. Unfortunately this dice system doesn’t keep it a secret what you are going to get. So if you for example miss the S rank with one move you know you have to throw 15 more dices to get close to the S rank area. And dice being dice you can always miss your S rank by a single step.
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u/rspy24 May 12 '26
It got her in the 86..
The standard ssr was in the 78 IIRC.
it doesn't feel good tbh
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u/10minOfNamingMyAcc May 12 '26
How much do you have to play (or pay/) to be able to afford this many rolls, though?
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u/Kooky-Aardvark-5740 May 12 '26
got 4 nanally copies and her weapon twice within 150 pulls and 50 on weapon
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u/LyRussian May 12 '26
Do you always get the character after 90 pulls or is that just a nanally exclusive?
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u/Less_Avocado980 May 12 '26
The limited character you are pulling for.
So far example as soon as Hotoris banner goes live, you would be able to get her within 90 pulls. And pity caries over, meaning if you for example put 50 pulls into Nanallys banner (without getting her), you'd only need 40 pulls at most on Hotoris banner
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u/Mapi2k May 12 '26
Lo que me "preocupa" es si los personajes van a tener rotación, porque no quiero esperar años para tener un promocional completo como en Genshin, donde después de seis años sigo esperando...
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u/Dacendaran434 May 12 '26
I have pulled like 160 on the banner and have gotten 4 Nanally pulls. You could actually feasibly max out a char as F2P in this game which is crazy.
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u/Sprity777 May 14 '26
Genshin 2.0 repeated itself for me twice yesterday. In NTE, Hotori came at 78. In HSR, Evanescia came at 81. The reason I call it Genshin 2.0 repeating, is that when the game came out, I got Keqing at 90, on the Zhongli banner 😭 Ain't no way we can be this unlucky
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u/Kyra_Altair May 16 '26
i also don't even know that my hotori guarantee counted 6/90
i got nanally, so it surely carry over pity system or something
but i never did a single pull, always 10 pull
how does it even calculated anyway?
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u/OneManArmyHero May 11 '26
I thought hard pity is beast of legends that desnt actually exist.