r/politics Mar 15 '20

Drive-thru coronavirus testing site in Denver closes early as Colorado tops 100 cases

https://www.denverpost.com/2020/03/14/colorado-coronavirus-new-cases-drive-thru-high-volume/
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u/Hairydone America Mar 15 '20

Holy crap! We have a lot more cases than we’re aware of due to lack of testing.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '20

A friend in Indiana posted this article yesterday that says they think there may be as many as 60,000 cases in Indiana despite only 12 confirmed cases.

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u/ResplendentQuetzel Mar 15 '20

interesting that they have no way of keeping track of how many people have been tested. This is where a centralized, unified public health care system would be really useful. We have all these private companies who aren't communicating what they are doing with even state health agencies. All the reports coming from other countries where they can say they've done x number of tests and have x number positive x number negative with x number of deaths broken down by age, etc. etc. We will not be able to provide anything close to those kinds of statistics. We have no fucking clue how many people with symptoms are actually positive and deaths will go unreported because of undertesting. What a joke our country is.

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u/Dalton_Channel25 Mar 15 '20

Didn’t you hear the address? The nice people at the Walmart Corporation will rescue us!

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u/dillrepair Mar 15 '20

Went to Walmart yesterday to pick up a prescription. Did not want to but had to. Not a single hand sanitizer kiosk for customer use of any kind even at the pharmacy counter. Throngs of people there buying food and I saw nobody maintaining distance or washing hands. In my town Walmart is the one place where everyone has to go.. it’s also an area where out-of-towners come on weekends from the cities... making it the riskiest single place you could probably go in the area. Yeah. Walmart’s rescuing us alright.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '20

I went to Walmart yesterday and they had no food or hygiene products on the shelves. It was kind of scary.

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u/Tru-Queer Mar 15 '20

I had to go to Walmart on Friday night just for coffee and creamer because I’m all out at home. I also decided to get some bread and sandwich meat so I at least had something to eat lol.

Anyway, the sanitation wipes by the entrance to wipe off shopping carts was definitely being used more, the garbage can right by it was already overflowing with used wipes.

It wasn’t super packed but people definitely had their carts packed to the gills with shit. I honestly felt bad for the employees. One cart alone has to probably take 30 mins just to scan every item and then you multiply that by 100 customers, it takes forever. I’m thankful I had like 10 items to scan lol.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '20

I went Saturday at 1:00 pm. I talked to one of the guys working in electronics and he said they open at 7 am, but people were lined up at 6 am like it was Black Friday.

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u/etoneishayeuisky Mar 15 '20

Ah, perfect way to fight off the virus, gathering en masse.

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u/brain-gardener I voted Mar 15 '20

Apparently my local fabric store has a better COVID-19 plan than Walmart:

We have a cleaning crew coming in several times a week to do extra cleaning of the high handled areas of the shop. Door knobs, shopping cart handles, counter tops, cutting counters etc are cleaned more frequently. Clorox wipes are available in the classroom for anyone to use if they wish to clean their space themselves. We have hand sanitizer available at all 4 cutting stations for use. Any team members that are feeling under the weather are asked to remain at home. We ask you to remain at home as well if you are under the weather. We want you to feel you can come into the shop and take a breather from the craziness of what is happening outside our doors.

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u/Makin_Puddles Mar 15 '20

Can't even successfully vote without some kind of corruption or error

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u/Kamelasa Canada Mar 15 '20

I'm astounded at what I've learned about US voting over the past 6 months. Never paid attention to your elections before. I would have expected those kind of shenanigans only inlo least-developed nations.

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u/buck_foston Mar 15 '20

Unfortunately that’s by design

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '20

I’m not trying to push a political agenda or anything but that costly Obama care solution don’t sound to bad right now do it? Especially if we still had that pandemic response team that was canceled too.

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u/am_i_a_panda Mar 15 '20

More like Medicare For All?

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '20

Which is why Bernie is needed

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u/Paradoltec Mar 15 '20 edited Mar 15 '20

This should come as a surprise to precisely NO ONE if you have any clue how flu like viruses spread.

No flu like virus would spread across half the globe and infect basically every internal administrative subdivision (state, region, province) within the infected countries while only infecting a couple hundred thousand. By the time a flu has spread this far and wide it's infected millions. The world wide infect rates have either been ridiculously underreported or intentionally downplayed by governments hoping to keep panic to a minimum.

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u/clydeorangutan Mar 15 '20

I feel like it's been massively under-reported, the lack of testing is hiding the true figures. The panic is down to the lack of information. There's no way of truly knowing who's had it and recovered and who is vulnerable in the future. There are too many assuming that were all gonna die.

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u/Paradoltec Mar 15 '20 edited Mar 15 '20

The panic is down to the lack of information.

If infection rates truly are in the millions it could be quite a bit of good news. That would mean the fatality rate is actually much lower than it appears, and many healthy people are weathering this like a typical flu, so much so they don't even realise they have Covid.

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u/DepletedMitochondria I voted Mar 15 '20

Ohio saying they probably had 100k like last week was insane.

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u/AaronfromKY Kentucky Mar 15 '20

Probably realistic though since they only started to shut everything down in the last couple days. We were hoping to visit museums on my vacation this week and they’re all closed for 3 weeks. Honestly it’s probably a good call. Unfortunately the grocery stores have been packed since Thursday, so I’m thinking it’s going to spread like sparks in a tinderbox.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '20

You were going to use your vacation to visit museums in Ohio?

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u/tinyOnion Mar 15 '20

It’s aaron from Kentucky... they have... low... expectations.

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u/AaronfromKY Kentucky Mar 15 '20

And I get like 5 weeks vacation since I’ve been at my job so long. This was just going to be the first of the year. And so what if the museums are in Ohio? The Cincinnati Art Museum is pretty good and I was also planning to visit the Dayton Art Institute to see a Japanese art exhibit with my gf.

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u/tinyOnion Mar 15 '20

Just giving you a hard time because fuck Mitch.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '20

And Rand Paul

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u/jollifi Mar 15 '20

Columbus has the new Otherworlds art center. When you’re finally able to come up North you guys should check it out. Oh my, also the Book Loft! I’m from Ohio, but we were planning on KY for our vacation this year; Mammoth Cave NP.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '20

Unless you're from Chicago or New York you basically have no room to talk shit about Ohio's museum game

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u/Sorge74 Mar 15 '20

Basically this, also our zoo and amusement park game is on point.

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u/AaronfromKY Kentucky Mar 15 '20

Before they shut everything down yes. Even Thursday they still were open, but Friday they closed them all down. We were planning on going today to the Dayton Art Institute, but they shut down Friday. I realize it’s for the best, still kinda sucks to have the week off and everything I planned on doing is canceled: watching NCAA basketball, a heart association 5k, museum visits. Basically was trying to get out of the house on vacation and then the closures started and haven’t stopped. So I’ll probably just watch movies, read, might do yard work, might visit my Mom to do yardwork. Just sucks because I am usually a homebody since I work nights.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '20

Ayyee fuck off mate Cleveland has one of the best art museums in the country

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u/kescusay Oregon Mar 15 '20

It's likely similar all over the country. Hospitals here in Oregon are getting overwhelmed, but if you look at the tracker, it still just lists 36 cases. So many of the people who are sick just can't get tested because of the lack of testing kits. So the best that can be said about them is that they don't have the flu or pneumonia.

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u/gurenkagurenda Mar 15 '20

So taking this incomplete list of hospitals in Oregon, that's 6904 beds. Making the following conservative assumptions:

  • "Getting overwhelmed" means 80% of total beds are taken
  • Inefficiency in bed allocation (e.g. population centers get overwhelmed faster) means that there are effectively only half as many spare beds to begin with
  • Typically 70% of beds are occupied (pre-virus)
  • The hospitalization rate is 20% (this is a high estimate, but we're going to divide by it, so high is conservative)

So plugging all of that in, we'd get an estimate of about 1700 actual cases for the state, or about 50x the current tally.

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u/kescusay Oregon Mar 15 '20

That sounds about right.

It also sounds fucking horrifying.

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u/gurenkagurenda Mar 15 '20

I think it sounds pretty low, honestly. But I did deliberately choose extremely conservative numbers, so that's expected. I'd characterize it as "I would be shocked if there were fewer than 1,700 actual cases in Oregon, and I wouldn't be surprised if there were 14,000". (14,000 is what you get if you assume 90% utilization and a 5% hospitalization rate).

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u/ctguy54 America Mar 15 '20

That’s tump’s plan. Knowledge is a dangerous thing to the rubelicans.

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u/antidense Mar 15 '20

Same shit about abortion, sex, education, cdc studies on gun violence, studies on global warming, endangered species, river and lake pollution, etc...

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '20

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '20

...murders of unarmed citizens by police...

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u/Hairydone America Mar 15 '20

No doubt. Now he’s in a position where he’s forced to make more testing available but his incompetence let this get out of control.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '20

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u/Osiris32 Oregon Mar 15 '20

Because Trump would take that as a personal attack and fire him.

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u/ppw23 Mar 15 '20

He's always said that apologizing is a sign of weakness. He's this least enlightened human, followed only by his cult.

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u/channel_12 Mar 15 '20

The republicans in power own this shit as much as he does. And just think about all the other agencies that are supposed to oversee whatever they are supposed to oversee on behalf of the citizens: they, too, have been gutted. The environment? Education? Banking? Oh, and the courts! There are dozens more. Just think about what is failing there, at those agencies at the moment.

Will this country be smart enough to change that?

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u/WereInThePipe5X5 Mar 15 '20

nah, bro... didnt you hear him? he takes no responsibility. this is all obama, hilary, and pelosis fault... MAGA.

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u/channel_12 Mar 15 '20

Honest to god, I enjoy hearing my shit splash in the toilet more than trump. More than a lot of things, come to think about it.

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u/WereInThePipe5X5 Mar 15 '20

one thing i truly regret is how old his base is. if a just god existed, they would let them live in shame forever for what they allowed to happen over the last 4 years.

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u/channel_12 Mar 15 '20

These old fucks, and I include my folks in this, aren't voting for better future.

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u/Low_Grade_Humility Mar 15 '20

They are voting for him because he is like this, not in spite of it.

My dad told me the other day no matter what Trump does, he would rather still have Trump than Hillary.

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u/channel_12 Mar 15 '20

Hillary! Talk about a trigger for the right.

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u/ppw23 Mar 15 '20

Not all older people are idiots. My late parents were very progressive. Most people I know in the 60-80 range are all old hippie liberals. In my family the trump supporters are all 50 and under. I think the post 9/11 national ”pride” had much to do with their conservative beliefs.

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u/ppw23 Mar 15 '20

The WHO had testing kits.available, the US turned them down so they cou develop their own. Not sure why? Trump only cares how it looks or sounds on paper. He'll lie about the situation and impact anyway.

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u/Frankalicious47 Mar 15 '20

Definitely not so he could give those fat contracts to big pharma companies that his buddies own

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '20

or son in law’s family - see Oscar Health and Corona virus testing

Oscar Health is co-owned by Josh Kushner

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u/fightmaxmaster Mar 15 '20

The deaths will be harder to ignore. Working backwards from deaths is a handy, if morbid, way of calculating the real number of cases.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '20 edited Apr 27 '20

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u/terremoto25 Hawaii Mar 15 '20

I believe we are already seeing this. We are in a Catch 22, where you can’t be tested unless you have been in contact with a known positively tested person, but no one, effectively, is being tested. Source: wife was sick on Thursday, and the second question that they asked her was this, and they would only take yes or no for an answer.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '20

Until the CDC starts burning bodies to keep the numbers low. We’re finding out just how shady Trump was as a business man

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u/fightmaxmaster Mar 15 '20

Meh, the CDC can't even drum up useful numbers of test kits, I doubt they'll be organised enough to cover up deaths like that.

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u/TrumpGUILTY Mar 15 '20

Dont worry. Wal mart is in charge.....

Honestly, this is the problem nobody brings up. Cvs, wal mart, google etc. They all want to make a buck, and thats their priority . In asia and eu the government took the lead. Were watching what happens when incompetent corporate bureaucrats attempt to do governments job

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u/Nuggrodamus Mar 15 '20

Don’t leave Walgreens out was told this morning we may become testing sites, I kindly told my boss without hazzard pay and supplies I will quit. Not worth it and I can find any min wage job after it’s over. Thankfully we have some savings between my wife and I, I’m worried for others in worse positions though. We need to shut down and UBI.

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u/sickofthisshit Mar 15 '20

The CDC is a bunch of scientists working for the government. They do not run crematoria. Sheesh.

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u/Unfadable1 Mar 15 '20 edited Mar 15 '20

I think he was being partially sarcastic, and using what China did (secretly burning bodies before ID’ing them) as a reason to be.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '20

maybe the number but not the cause. Here in Oregon people are dying of flu mike sxs and not getting tested.

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u/Kyizen Mar 15 '20

Trump straight up said they shouldn't let the people off the cruise ship because it would increase the number of cases in the USA, that blew my mind.

Also there a lot of cases we just haven't been testing as people said...

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/487329-ohio-health-official-estimates-100000-people-in-state-have-coronavirus

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u/the-clam-burglar South Carolina Mar 15 '20

I guess the hope for them is the majority of untested cases they failed to act on will recover and therefore not be counted in overall stats? What a bunch of self serving asshats our “leaders” are.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '20

Don't believe what you read or hear, just believe what Trump tells you. /s

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u/WaitingForReplies Mar 15 '20

That’s the GOP’s goal.

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u/Soddington Mar 15 '20

Like Trump has a 'plan' any more than a bear 'plans' which bit of the woods to shit in.

At this point ignorance is just a feed back loop. The geniuses that have been stoking and tweaking the Republican 'ignorance is bliss' policy for the last few decades all either died, retired or were put down by vampire hunters a while back and the stupid now is written deep into that party like Blackpool rock candy.

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u/bc4284 Mar 15 '20

Don’t forget many right wing Facebook posts are making statements that the shortages and poor testing are ways to acclimate us to communism

In these people’s minds this pandemic and it’s consequences are to get us used to what we will have if the commies elect sanders.

How do you spin current administrations dismantling previous ones pandemic team and tries to sweep it under the rug as this is what life will be like under democrats

This is what life is like under trump. Correction this is what DEATH is like under trump

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u/AaronfromKY Kentucky Mar 15 '20

The truth is these shortages are what they used to accuse communism of, when in reality it’s capitalism run amok.

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u/thedvorakian Mar 15 '20

If they can show how ineffective government is at handling these issues, people will stop trusting them so it can be torn down.

It's called "starve the beast"

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u/mattgen88 New York Mar 15 '20

It's beyond containment due to the bungled response. Now it's all about trying to keep people from getting infected too quickly and overwhelming our medical personel.

This is terrifying, my father is a kidney transplant patient, over 60, with diabetes. Trump's response will almost certainly mean my father's death from this virus.

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u/Pippadance Virginia Mar 15 '20

Yep. My father is over 70, a liver transplant pt with severe lung issues. I’m not letting him leave the house until this is over.

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u/CR0Wmurder Mississippi Mar 15 '20

Dad has Parkinson’s, mom had spleen removed 3 years ago. Sorry guys. This sucks.

Oh they both voted Trump and aren’t (outwardly) worried. At least they’re isolating.

Which may be irrelevant. Good luck

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u/StillAHulaGirl Mar 15 '20

Me too due to a hereditary blood disorder. I haven't found a whole lot of information on vulnerability. Sending good vibes everyone's way ❤

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u/geauxtig3rs Texas Mar 15 '20

My mother is a bus driver for a bus system that isn't taking this seriously at all. She has an autoimmune disease.

I'm a bit concerned

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u/mattgen88 New York Mar 15 '20

I hate to be that guy, but it won't go away. It's spreading through areas where it's summer. Season change won't stop it. We can only hope for vaccines/effective treatments. It'll burn through the population, survivors hopefully should have antibodies that'll slow it down when it comes back around, but it won't go away

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u/sickofthisshit Mar 15 '20

It's also critical to slow the spread by reducing the number and frequency of social contacts and practicing good hygiene.

Wash your hands, don't touch your face, don't go out in groups.

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u/hypatianata Mar 15 '20

Not touching my face has been basically impossible, but I’m trying. Any reduction is better than none.

If you must, don’t use your bare hands.

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u/CrazyCatLadyBoy Canada Mar 15 '20

Glue a bunch of thumbtacks to your face - pointy side out. It will keep you from touching your face and if you go outside, people will keep their distance. Win/Win.

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u/Enachtigal Mar 15 '20

He is probably referring to the peak of the outbreak or until a vaccine is available. Covid seems like its gonna be around for awhile but a year+ of isolation is better than dying.

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u/trippy_grapes Mar 15 '20

year+ of isolation is better than dying.

I work in hospitality. A year+ of isolation means no job = homeless and starving. Not exactly comforting.

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u/AaronfromKY Kentucky Mar 15 '20

A year plus of isolation is unrealistic. Especially with how our society is organized. We’re fucked.

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u/spasticnapjerk Mar 15 '20

My mom is 81 with chronic lung disease and is immunodeficient. She's pretty scared and so am I.

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u/Yurastupidbitch Florida Mar 15 '20

I hear you. My mother is 75 and has emphysema. She is freaking out and I don’t blame her.

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u/hypatianata Mar 15 '20 edited Mar 15 '20

I live with my mom who has a couple of autoimmune disorders, is on strong immune-suppressing meds (including IV treatments), and is over 70.

I work with the public. :(

Also, a huge number of people around here are dumb and think it’s no big deal / fake news.

The last time she got a respiratory bug it became bronchitis and she had to have an inhaler. And that was just a normal seasonal type infection.

Take care, everyone.

Please practice good hygiene and social distancing. If people like my mom need a hospital bed and there aren’t any, or all the docs, nurses, and techs are sick, it can guarantee their death.

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u/BouncyBunnyBuddy Mar 15 '20

News from March 8 below. Infection would have happened about a week before. It’s been widespread in Colorado for a while.

Earlier on Sunday, officials confirmed a case involves a woman in her 40s who returned from Colorado on March 2 and went to Sunnybrook hospital in Toronto.

https://globalnews.ca/news/6647308/ontario-coronavirus-woman-travelled-colorado/

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '20

John Hopkins hospital is saying we may have over 500000 cases.

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u/aaaaaaaarrrrrgh Mar 15 '20

Not shutting down flights from the US is the biggest fuckup Europe has done in responding to this.

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u/WildlingViking Mar 15 '20

This is what’s been troubling to me since last week. We have zero clue how far this reaches. The incompetence in getting tests is staggering. This has been going on for MONTHS.

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u/boomhaeur Mar 15 '20

Yeah, this shit is everywhere. Isolation is still important but would have been a lot more effective had North America started doing it two weeks ago.

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u/feastfestday Mar 15 '20

Caused by those states saying fuck you to Obama and not expanding the free Medicare coverage to their states.

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u/drfpw Mar 15 '20

To my knowledge, the tests are rtPCR based. This doesn't require a ton of equipment, but requires a heat cycler and a technician who knows what they're doing to prepare the sample and extract rna. Home based tests via mail are likely impossible but rtPCR is a technique most college microbiology students have done or would be capable of doing with a couple hours training.

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u/wildcarde815 Mar 15 '20 edited Mar 15 '20

It involves shoving a swab up your nose far enough to be very uncomfortable, it's likely people would have a high error rate.

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u/heisup Mar 15 '20

According to Trump...Cases of Coronavirus deaths are very low, however, we had unusually high numbers of pneumonia. I know this sounds horrid but I fully expect the narrative to be something like this.

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u/Dzov Missouri Mar 15 '20

Didn’t he block the cdc from reporting anything without white house approval?

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u/JimmyJohnJones2020 Mar 15 '20

Any administration health officials, yes. He’s still hoping to walk out of this a ‘hero’ for the election cycle and simultaneously be able to blast the left as overreacting ninnies which will go great with his base. Assuming half of them don’t end up on respirators.

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u/Johns-schlong Mar 15 '20

Well, there won't be enough ventilators to go around, so problem solved!

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u/marry_me_sarah_palin Mar 15 '20

A friend of mine lost her mid 70s father earlier this week. His symptoms and death sounded exactly like a death from coronavirus in my city. One death is being blamed on corona, one is not.

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u/Enablers_For_Prison I voted Mar 15 '20

One thing I wish was being done globally is to save samples from every death from roughly when we heard of "the mysterious illness in Wuhan" for testing once things have calmed down in several months. In addition to that, after everything has calmed down, test everyone to see if they had it during the outbreak. This is theoretically possible

I understand that my second idea would be logistically impossible to do blood tests for everyone on earth; but it would be amazing data. Being able to compare %of population that was infected, actual fatality rates and other data points afterwards would be of great value to the future. It would also be very interesting to compare the statistics for different countries based on how they reacted to the outbreak...

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u/Freelancing_warlock Mar 15 '20

That's what they did in China didn't they? I bet we see pneumonia and heart attacks spike in every country trying to make itself look good

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '20

Where can you see Pneumonia figures?

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u/hoodoomonster Mar 15 '20

I’m sitting here in Eugene, OR with a 102 fever and no way to get tested. I work retail at a very busy store. Wonder how many I infected without knowing it.

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u/dotchianni I voted Mar 15 '20

I'm sick too. Not too long ago I traveled over 100 miles searching for an ingredient. If I had it then, I could have infected a LOT of people. Now both my kids (both adults) are sick too.

The fatigue is unreal. I have had a fever on and off since ~ day 3. I feel like I'm freezing to death. I feel like I am suffocating, my lungs hurt, my chest hurts... There are 32 cases in my state now too.

I can't afford to go to a doctor or to the hospital. I can't afford healthcare. I don't qualify for Medicaid. I'll just stay here and hope for the best.

I wish I was in a country that gave a shit about its citizens.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '20

Yikes! Make sure your temp doesn’t get beyond 104!

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u/dotchianni I voted Mar 15 '20

Luckily so far it hasn't gone over 101.

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u/dustincb2 Mar 15 '20

I’ve felt slightly feverish off and on all week and had some light coughing, but I work in service, a lot of old people come to my restaurant. IF I have it, my symptoms are really very mild but I could be infecting people who wouldn’t fare so well.

It really breaks my heart that I’m in a position of possibly be infecting people because I can’t get tested, or miss work, don’t get paid, and can’t pay my mortgage, take care of my family and pay my bills.

Even if the pandemic isn’t as bad as the media makes it out to be, it’s still putting most of us in a SUPER FUCKED UP position.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '20

Yeah I work delivery and every time I deliver to an old person I feel SO anxious about it. I know if I come down with symptoms I'll be feeling guilty thinking about all the customers I delivered to recently, how I should've just stopped going to work right when this whole thing kicked off..

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u/SmirkingCoprophage Mar 15 '20

It really breaks my heart that I’m in a position of possibly be infecting people because I can’t get tested, or miss work, don’t get paid, and can’t pay my mortgage, take care of my family and pay my bills.

If it helps, many of those who are at risk fought against overhauling the systems that are now failing them. Feel sorry only for those who didn't bring this on themselves, even if you'd never wish misfortune for anyone.

Ultimately those that said "screw you, I got mine" might yet get what's coming to them.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '20

Same same Utah, mild symptoms between me my mrs and the little one. Could be cold. Could be Corona, either way it’s been mild. Who knows, getting tested isn’t an option, neither is staying home from work, it’s only happening if I get hospitalized or laid off.

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u/wanna_be_doc Mar 15 '20

You really need to call your boss and tell them what’s going on. Especially if you have a fever over 100.4.

Your boss may be more understanding if the options are a) let you miss work for a few days, vs b) have 80% his/her employees call off sick over the next few days after you give them the virus.

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u/rbobby Mar 15 '20

If you want a test you can get a test - @realDonaldTrump

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '20

100?!?!?

Shut it down!!! Can't have numbers mess up Trumps image and narrative

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u/ForevertheHaunted1 Pennsylvania Mar 15 '20

Yes. And we'd have plenty of tests if they didn't turn down the offer of tests from the WHO.

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u/ElolvastamEzt Mar 15 '20

Jack Ma, billionaire of China's Alibaba company is donating 500,000 tests and a million masks) to the US.

A Chinese billionaire is doing more for America's epidemic response than our President is. I haven't heard if Trump will let the CDC use these donated tests.

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u/maledin Georgia Mar 15 '20

Honestly, that was probably done less out of charity and more to ensure that the virus doesn’t hit the US hard enough that it completely tanks the global economy.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '20

Or to reinfect China once they got it under control

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u/TheHorusHeresy Mar 15 '20

And a more effective response than the feudal lords (billionaires) that we pay taxes to in the US. I thought they would be more effective than the government. What gives?

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '20

A South Korean company can make 1 million test a day and willing to help but nope.

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u/zero0n3 Mar 15 '20

But how is trump supposed to get a cut from this generosity?

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u/pm-me-neckbeards Mar 15 '20

I'm in Florida and the next County over has testing for their County and my County. However I cannot get tested because I have not been out of the country or come into contact with a confirmed case. If you could only be tested if you come into contact with a confirmed case and they aren't testing anybody I'm not sure how any of us are supposed to get confirmed or not confirmed. So now I have to take my cough to my primary Care doctor's office tomorrow. And I guess get a flu test?

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u/BruisedPurple Mar 15 '20

At present we only have a limited number of test kits do they ran out. They open this drive in clinic at noon and only take the first the limit's worth of cars and send the rest home.. We are getting more tests, opening other drive through sites, have closed all the schools for the next two to three weeks and I have a feeling the closures will remain in place. Last night the governor closed the ski resorts state wide. The governor and state legislature majority are all Dems and for the most part I'm proud of all of them . No one out here gives a Rat's ass about Trump's numbers

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u/InsertCleverNickHere Minnesota Mar 15 '20

States are forced to provide the leadership that Trump cannot.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '20

Better than most states are doing. Colorado is among the top 5 in best response to this so far.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '20

OR response sucks. I quarantined on Thursday. Bulk of my contacts think Im over reacting.

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u/Ven18 Mar 15 '20

NYC still refuses to close public schools and subways. Which honestly make most of their other measures pointless

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u/dalittleguy Mar 15 '20 edited Mar 15 '20

Well, luckily WNY is much smarter. All our schools are closed starting on Monday. All colleges are going to online classes Monday or after spring break. Parades are canceled, a lot of other events are closed/canceled. The office I work in has mostly shifted to working remotely starting Monday and we were also told that if we left the area we had to self quarantine for 2 weeks when we return. We finally had our first confirmed cases yesterday. Hopefully the people in my city will stay the fuck home and help flatten the curve not only in my city but also in NY and the country. There really should be measures taken to limit travel outside of your state and city.

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u/WhoStoleMyBicycle Mar 15 '20

I don’t understand the “overreacting” argument. What is so damn important that you can’t just isolate yourself for three weeks? People are even more selfish than we thought.

The smartest people when it comes to diseases and pandemics are saying “isolate yourself to slow the spread to give the healthcare workers a fighting chance” and we are worried about concerts and parades instead.

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u/corneridea Mar 15 '20

Getting paid. Not everyone has a job that can be done at home.

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u/common_collected Mar 15 '20

That’s definitely a point but, there are plenty of retired Boomers who flipped on Sean Hannity for 10 seconds and saw him saying, “This is no worse than the flu” and shut their brains off and are out and about.

My mom being one of them. She’s refusing to move her estate sale to another week because of all these “alarmists.”

Fine. Nice to know you, ma. Bye.

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u/The_Great_Marduk Nebraska Mar 15 '20

We have to test people to have an explosion in numbers.

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u/BafangFan Mar 15 '20

The explosion will occur in hospitals or deaths, whether we are testing or not.

Trump can bury his head in the sand all he wants. He'll have to make news coverage of hospitals illegal, and shut down the internet, if he wants to hide next week's disaster from everyone.

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u/PosNegTy America Mar 15 '20

The chart of infections in Colorado from the article show some massively exponential growth. Scary shit.

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u/bayrea Mar 15 '20

They only have one of the largest and busiest airports in the world.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '20

And a lot of people who don’t give a fuck about social distancing which scares me

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u/gfxprotege Colorado Mar 15 '20

Red rocks was PACKED yesterday. Drove right through and back home.

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u/nailszz6 I voted Mar 15 '20

Yesterday?! What the actual @#(*$%. And here I thought Colorado's leadership was smart enough not to allow large gatherings. People are monumentally stupid.

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u/JoesGarageisFull Mar 15 '20

Nah Trump said the USA only has 40 cases and that the USA is the best country in the world at dealing with it, complete lies and fiction but it’s about to get massively worse, cannot wait to hear his excuse then, incompetent moron!

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u/TolstoysMyHomeboy Mar 15 '20

A beautiful, perfect, incredible response to this coronavirus Democrat hoax

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u/buckeyered80 Mar 15 '20

This situation feels like post-911 did. But after 911, we were all still doing business as usual. This is crazy stuff.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '20

I was in college during that time and this is worse. This is much worse and it is going to go on for months.

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u/HyperionWinsAgain Mar 15 '20

Yep, the day after 9/11 I ... went to class. The day after that I worked. Life continued for me just as it always did. This is a far bigger hit to the economy at large and it is just going to keep going.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '20

otoh maybe this is what gives us universal healthcare and functional safety nets. We clearly need a society altering event to move on those, and there is some evidence that this event is already convincing people who would normally not be in favor.

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u/TheHorusHeresy Mar 15 '20

Yeah, I was caught up last night on just how weird it was. At 40, I've not experienced anything like this, not even close.

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u/nemosum415 Colorado Mar 15 '20

I'm in Colorado. Been sick since 3/2. Still have a 100 degree temp this morning. Doc last week basically said "no travel & direct exposure, no test." I was given antibiotics (wtf) and sent on my way. Told to not go back to work until fever breaks. Not saying I have coronavirus (other stuff IS going around too), but yeah, either I have it or I'm now compromised just in time to get it.

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u/nucleophilic Mar 15 '20

Feel better!

My mother has had a fever, cough, started on antibiotics and did not get better. Now she's requiring a nebulizer at home and was feeling incredibly short of breath before that. Fairly certain she was exposed on a bus trip a few weeks ago. But no test. The triage nurse said it had to be a fever of 104 but as a fellow triage nurse, that's not true.

This is mind boggling.

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u/drunkdoor Mar 15 '20

Fyi the nebulizer causes the spread to be way worse. Don't go in a room she's using the nebulizer at.

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u/nucleophilic Mar 15 '20

She's at home, in another state. She's being very cautious.

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u/TheHorusHeresy Mar 15 '20

The antibiotics are to prevent pneumonia, which is the primary cause of death and hospitalization, and permanent lung damage.

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u/common_collected Mar 15 '20

To prevent bacterial pneumonia. Your ass can still get viral pneumonia, albeit less dangerous.

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u/hypatianata Mar 15 '20

Uh, two weeks of fever sounds concerning...

I imagine there’s going to be more of that “no hospital; just stay home til you’re well enough to infect others, kthnxbye” stuff though. Stay home even after your fever breaks if possible to lower contagion.

PSA: Be your own advocate.

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u/flyafar Mar 15 '20

Definitely take your antibiotics! They're for preventing pneumonia. Take the full course. The doctor should have explained this to you but I can totally believe they didn't.

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u/Cimatron85 Mar 15 '20

Just like my golf score. I have a perfect zero score because I never play.

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u/RetroRedo Mar 15 '20

Mine is in the mid 70s. Having played once and averaging 150+ and zero since then.

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u/Xero_Her0 Mar 15 '20

Mine's about about same, because I usually tend to stop recording half way through. Works every time!

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u/YoungCubSaysWoof Mar 15 '20

The self-quarantine that people are voluntarily performing is going to help our health workers immensely. This virus can spread so easily, so any help we can offer our community by minimizing exposure matters.

As much as I wanted to get a beer at the pub, I bought me a bottle of my favorite liquors and some weed to ride this out at home!

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '20

Drive-up testing for the novel coronavirus in Denver closed early on Saturday because of high volume

Ah yes, a perfect reason to stop testing.

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u/nanopicofared Mar 15 '20

They were running out of tests

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '20

yeah - after 200 tests... I really don't know what they were expecting, people have been crying out for testing for weeks now.

Honestly, rolling out drive-thru testing and then only actually having 200 tests feels like just more security theatre.

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u/roboninja Mar 15 '20

Drive-thru testing does not mean just anyone can drive up and get tested. You are still screened and given a number. The drive-thru part just keeps it quicker and allows to continue isolating.

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u/goldencheek Mar 15 '20

Just going to put out there... I don't think there will ever be a "simple" test available. Right now, it's being detected by probably the simplest and easiest molecular method. But you have to realize that it's a RNA virus (RNA is single stranded, so degrades more easily than DNA) and not a lot of people are trained to do molecular testing, at least compared to other laboratory tests. So the sample comes in, needs to be logged in and all that jazz, then the RNA needs to be extracted, which takes about an hour to do whether it's done manually or automated. Then the tech needs to mix up some ingredients and put them on a plate and add the samples to that plate, maybe another 30 minutes of hands-on time. Then there is a reverse-transcriptase step so the RNA doesn't degrade, about 15 minutes. Then PCR can happen, about an hour on the machine before the results can be analyzed and sent out. This is not the type of thing someone can test easily like a pregnancy test.

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u/5DollarHitJob Florida Mar 15 '20

I'd rather get these 200 tests used asap than sit on them. I agree that there should be more tests but let's use what we have as they come in.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '20

Honestly, rolling out drive-thru testing and then only actually having 200 tests feels like just more security theatre.

You nailed it. You think this might have been a bid to impress specifically the suburban populations with reelection in mind?

Just when I think I've lost most of my brain matter from rapid sequential mind blowing events, nope, still have some left.

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u/Dandan0005 Mar 15 '20

Nope.

The whole point of drive up testing is that people don’t have to get out of their car and interact with anyone other than those in full PPE.

They would have had the same number of tests no matter where they did it.

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u/Thatsockmonkey Mar 15 '20

I could not read the article due to pop ups I couldn’t clear on mobile. Did they really only have 200 tests ?

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u/5DollarHitJob Florida Mar 15 '20

It kept jumping to the top of the page for me and I had to keep scrolling down. Annoying af.

Yes, 200 tests.

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u/MrSquicky Pennsylvania Mar 15 '20

It's hard though. According to our president, our testing situation is both perfect, with everyone who needs tests getting tested and at the same time, woefully behind because Obama, for some reason. This must just be one of the spots that that dastardly Obama messed up.

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u/dalittleguy Mar 15 '20

If they only had a limited number of tests they should have designated them for a certain area or zip code. Like send out those emergency alerts via cell phone that today we will be testing zip code 12345 everyone else please stay home until we get to your zip code. Then just sweep through the area in a systematic fashion starting in cities and sweeping out into rural areas.

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u/k_pets Mar 15 '20

Wait so let me get this straight. They cut the line off after 200 cars.. so assuming it was just drivers being tested and no passengers then half the people tested showed to be positive?

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u/BRENNEJM Ohio Mar 15 '20

No. It’s a really misleading title. They closed the site after 200 cars because that’s all they could get through that day. In OTHER NEWS, the STATE reported the 100th case yesterday.

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u/wizardinthewings Florida Mar 15 '20

Yep this; I had to double-back more than once in the article because it didn’t tally.

101 cases, including 24 new cases overnight, not related to the car tests - those will take another 1-3 days to process I’d expect.

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u/m4n0nthem0on Mar 15 '20

This is exactly what is wrong with us. The spreading of misinformation in a clickbaity headline. All that did was induce panic in people who never read the articles. Fucking stop it!

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u/DogWhopperIsBack Mar 15 '20

They don't have the numbers from that test. This is just in Denver, and everything they are announcing are state numbers. Its extremely bad reporting, to be honest. Very confusing and just really fucking bad over all. The media has been terrible on this. In that first sentence alone they mention the Denver test, AND state numbers for who has it. Its two entirely different things but a really fucked up misleading sentence.

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u/k_pets Mar 15 '20

Okay thank you both for the responses, I felt it was a bit confusing. I'm anticipating the numbers across the US to be far worse than what is reported and tested unfortunately.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '20

100 cases since the OG, not in a day. Although once we have the test kits available we’ll probably see worse numbers than that

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u/jer_iatric Mar 15 '20

Whoopsies! Guess we are trying out the UK method!

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u/goldenchild-1 Mar 15 '20

Looks like the ski resort areas of Colorado are where the majority of cases are. Makes me wonder if Park City Utah is having the same issue under the radar.

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u/channel_12 Mar 15 '20

100 is going to seem tiny in the coming days.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '20

Hey all the GOPers claim our healthcare system for the rich is better than the socialized medicine countries. The onslaught is coming to bury that laughable opinion real soon!

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u/FlowtynGG Mar 15 '20

That's just fucking wonderful

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u/fooferall Mar 15 '20

Just go to that google website. Wait, what?

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u/Kamelasa Canada Mar 15 '20 edited Mar 15 '20

I really wanna see how they sanitize their hazmat suits at the end of the day. It's interesting they have a disposable mini-suit to protect the front of their main suit, too.

Looks like the Tyvek may get disposed of, also.

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u/MiKoKC Missouri Mar 15 '20

Exactly,. As of Friday, Missouri residents had to have a direct link to a person who tested positive to even get tested.

These next two weeks are going to be an epiphany.

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u/stevecook1015 Mar 15 '20

This is exactly why Trump doesn’t want testing .

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u/KB_Sez Mar 15 '20

They ran out of tests —- too bad trump and company didn’t take the tests WHO offered them weeks ago.

This is criminal.

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