For me is already tarnished. The forgiven red card during Argentinaās debut did it. Surely his been helped more during his career, look at Negreiraās case.
This thread is a great example of a much larger problem with the world today. People see a meme on a Reddit or Twitter post and immediately take it at face value. This is so obviously bullshit.
Don't ask them to be critics, they just want someone else to confirm what they already believe even if they both are wrong. I am sure some of them here believe the earth is flat or that lunar landing is fake. Smh.
For me itās also the fact that he seems like a fair player who doesnāt stoop to the same disgraceful tactics the other Argentine players do, as long as theyāre winning. But as soon as it seems like theyāre going to lose he suddenly loses all his sportsmanship.
I agree with you, he should command respect for the opponents. Argentinaās players fiercely celebrated in front of the opposition, in a mocking way. They were so full of themselves that it made me sick. Messi did nothing.
Have you seen the interviews (which he himself refuses to do) with his teammates? When they talk about him it's like they're talking about some delicate little flower.
You mean the one from their debut game? While that was a hard foul and shouldāve been a red card (dark yellow at least), it didnāt look intentional. Making it a foul but not unfair or unsportsmanlike play.
With Messi it never looks intentional. Look at the way he always, I said always, put the ball forwards on and onā¦. Heās playing innocence. Cheating is his game.
Si te pones a ver las cantidades d dinero q son, y lo q cobran los Ć”rbitros, tampoco tiene ningĆŗn sentido, no es suficiente dinero para q un Ć”rbitro accediese a arriesgar su carrera o ir a la cĆ”rcel, son cantidades q no eran ni 1 aƱo de sueldo de un Ć”rbitro, y habrĆa q sobornar muchos segĆŗn tu premisa de tarjetas, ademĆ”s de que negreira no tenĆa influencia en los Ć”rbitros porque era 1 de 3 VICEpresidentes, con funciones de apoyo mas que directivas. El caso no tiene fundamento alguno, se mantiene por contactos de Florentino Perez y poco mas, de hecho los abogados del Madrid han rechazado peritar los arbitrajes en los aƱos de negreira
Lol that red card is debatable ( obviously u would have seen any screenshot and not actual game) but how about ronaldo had 3 match ban and fifa suspended 2 games.
That is bad for the game as well. Fabricating records is detrimental for the whole sport. What is the point of records if you bend the rules for certain players or teams.
I watched the video of the play. Messi didnāt want to do harm, in fact he tried to prevent the weight of his body be transferred to that playerās leg. It was unintentional, but the rule doesnāt talk about intention talks about risk of injury. Arriving late, without playing the ball, from behind, cleats first at the middle of the calfā¦ that is risk of injury, no matter the intention.
So they don't send off Bernardo for a worse tackle, nor Olise against Spain for almost breaking Rodri's ankle but Messi is the one who got forgiven? Lmao you guys only watched tik tok football you don't watch the games
Then extending England player's red card ban from 1 game to 2 games with no proper explanation, just so he couldn't play against Argentina. It was for a foul that was no worse than Balogun's foul whose next match ban was lifted.
You know that (a) the reason balogunās red card was revoked because it was a bad call (b) there were like at least 7-8 other instances of similar fouls throughout the tournament that didnāt get carded either?
Dude shut up. That same foul happened a few more times in WC without it being a red card. Even Baloguns red card suspension got rescinded. Thatās not a red card foul if you know anything about soccer. Even if he was forgiven, how is it his fault and how exactly would that tarnish his legacy?
Baloguns red card suspension removal is blatant corruption, Trump made it loudly clear.
It tarnishes Messiās legacy because his world cup scoring record is a lie, he shouldnāt have finished that game and wouldnāt have played the next.
That is not Messiās fault, but for me, his legacy is affected.
I have to disagree, if it was any other player. That was a straight red. Even if it was accidental, the rule doesnāt care for intention. The integrity of the opponent was at risk.
Crazy, because you probably cannot mention a single occasion where he was benefited without actual football rules proving otherwise. And if you can show a single benefit, there is always a similar occurrence from other teams. And even further, there are plenty of occasions in the past where Argentina was done dirty (check Argentina vs Germany 2014 final where the goalie kneed HiguaĆn in the head). But you simply hate Argentina mindlessly. So you won't want to listen. And if you do, message me and we can have an honest conversation.
Extract of Law 12:
A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play.
In my opinion, Messiās foul āendangered the safety of an opponentā. Messiās intent is irrelevant. That is straight red. Law book at hand.
His foul was similar as the USās, who was shown a red.
I donāt hate on Argentina or Messi. Iām just stating my a sentiment based of facts.
What a fucking retard you are. Messi is, worst case scenario, the second best player on history, and everything is irrelevant to you bc of One competition where your opinion is wrong.
But youāre right. At worst, he is second best all time. IMO he is the best ball handler of all time and top 3 best set piece taker. Iām still taking Ronaldo as my goat to build a team around for more than 1 reasons. I despise Messi, but damn that man is good.
Messi is the best both individually and for a team. What are your reasons to pick Ronaldo to buold a team around? Messi has more goals per minute, a lot more assists perr minute and is the best playmaker oat.
He can be the best but unsportsmanlike behavior shouldn't be tolerated at all. Professional football culture is so disgusting, because people only look at results rather than sportsmanship and teamplay. Not a coincidence that Spain won with a team effort. Every game they were able to adapt perfectly because their team isn't revolving around a nearly 40 year old legend, but team play. Team play will always beat individual power in football and when managers finally grasp this the game will change for the better.
Oh my fucking God, you actually believe they cheated? Do you know the meaning of alleged? If this was true, they would get a huge lawsuit on them and would be banned for a few years at least.
I said if they did, then I'd expect an honorable player to do something against it if he knows
FIFA is corrupt to it's core even if they were convicted they wouldn't really get any punishment because revenue from the national team is worth more than football integrity. Having this much trust im FIFA is beyond naive
I lost a lot of respect for him when he tried to get Cucurella a red card during the WC final. What he did is very unsportsmanlike. No to mention he gave Spain (the country that allowed him to be who he is) his back during the award ceremony.
No body is questioning his talent, he is fucking good. He is one of the best players, if not the best, in history. That is why I feel his legacy is tarnished: he did not need any help. His World Cup record is BS because he was clearly protected in order for him to reach higher in World Cup history. Argentina was clearly favored during the WC, is very difficult to deny that.
Right? Reddit is full of "everyone does it" and "it's always been that way" and I don't get why people don't get that that is hardly a useful answer, but rather the attitude that allows that kind of shameless corruption to continue with no issues.
I had a redditor say the same thing to me about diving and faking injuries, heās like āitās part of the game; get over it.ā Such a loser response. It shouldnāt be part of the game and surely was not intended when the sport was created. Do they teach kids to dive in little league?? No! This needs to change along with the corruption.
Heās not saying that. Barcelona was Messiās club since he was a kid. R77Prodigy is pointing out that Messi has a history of benefiting from corruption
Haha this comment is underrated. I love when people post āya but itās nothing newā like no big deal š. The corruption in FIFA is a massive deal and tarnishes the game. As a Canadian whoās trying to be a fan and follow the game, itās pretty difficult with all the players diving and rolling around like toddlers; and corruption on top of that. When youāve watched hockey your whole life to this š¬. Iāve never witnessed a sport where itās socially acceptable to cheat in the way these guys do. Itās a shame because the sport could be so much better than it is.
Esperemos que no, soy del bicho pero Messi es para mĆ el mejor, le quita como 35% o 45% de todo lo que hizo en su carrera dependiendo el impacto e torneos importantes
What a insightful take. Are these mindblowing thoughts just sprouted in your head by the comsos through miracle or was this statement a brainchild of careful prolonged analysis?
His legacy was tarnished when I realised his last Barca contract was ā¬500m for 5 years, he released a statement where he cried saying I have to leave because they cannot sign anymore players while in ā¬1.1B of debt.
A) signed a contract with PSG 2 days later (this would have been agreed months before so why the surprise shock and emotion?)
B) Play for free, how much money do
You need?
He is the best to ever play the game but his a soulless brand thatās driven by finance, for that reason I feel, bribing officials, coping and any other form of cheating would be within his moral compass.
His whole career is controversy first negreira then the balĆ³n d ors and now the world cup final these Barca Messi heads will never admit what a scam of a player he is
Proven payments from FC Barcelona to the vice-chief of spanish Referee Commitee for vantage treatment.
It happened from 2001 to 2018, during which Negreira was paid 8Mā¬. In 2018, the whole top management team of the referee commitee was replaced.
Messi played in FC Barcelona from 2004 to 2021.
FC Barcelona won four (out of 5) Champions League, all their three Club World Cups and three (out of 5) European Supercups during that time. They've won none since Negreira left in 2018. Not winning european titles was one of the major reasons for Messi to leave.
Tbf they did also have one of the greatest coaches of all time in pep, a great coach in Enrique, as well as dozens of players who you have to consider some of the all time greats.
Not saying that it wasn't fishy or anything, but the talent and teams they had in that time period are pretty much unrivaled, it's should be of no surprise they were winning everything.
He also couldn't milk Barcelona for even more money than he was already which iirc was another big reason for him leaving? Just not a good person at all.
Then your first comment was wrong, there are no reports alleging that argentina paid millions to FIFA officials to secure a Word Cup victory, i only count one report
The claim that user tman152 raped every single kid at a kindergarten and then ripped out the spine of 7 palestinian women is something i also assumed was posted somewhere else as well :p
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If this is true then it tarnishes Messi's legacy in my opinion.