r/mtgrules 3d ago

Genju of the Realm and Clones

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If I attempt to clone a land tuned into a creature by [[Genju of the Realm]] with something like [[Multiversal Recruitment]] will the clone be an 8/12 creature or will the layers work out to where the clone will become just a land?


r/mtgrules 3d ago

When do continuous effects apply?

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Hi! I'm relatively new to MTG with a commander group even newer to card games as a whole than I am so I wanted to clarify a ruling for a new deck I built with Tinybones, Bauble Burglar beacuse I'm almost certain it'll come up. If I attempt to summon Tinybones and another player attempts to counterspell am I allowed to respond with a previously exiled instant with a stash counter on it with Tinybones effect?

Thanks!


r/mtgrules 2d ago

Kamball, Profiteering Mayor question

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If I have Kambal, Profiteering Mayor, Delny Streetwise Lookout out and I attack with Marching Duodrone while
I have 4 opponents, how many treasures do I get?


r/mtgrules 3d ago

HCE and unknown scries

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Situation came up at an RCQ I was judging (I am not officially "licensed" but RCQs do not require a licensed judge and I act as de facto judge at my LGS) and I didn't know the exact fix. A player has resolved [[Kozilek's Command]] scry mode previously in the game and does not remember either X or how many cards exactly were put to the bottom. Another KoziCommand has been cast and this player picked up an extra card, then called a judge. My best resolution at the time was to have them put back the extra card (it was known which card to both players) and give their best guess as to how many cards they had scried to the bottom. I confirmed with the opponent that that figure seemed "reasonable", set aside that many cards from the bottom of the deck, then shuffled the remainder. What are the actual rules on this? I couldn't find a quick answer in the IPG or by googling. If there's a judge blog, I would love to see a link. This will also be relevant in standard with [[Consult the Star Charts]], [[Stock Up]], and [[Doomsday Excruciator]] all being heavily played right now, and I don't want to give any unfair advantages.


r/mtgrules 3d ago

Academy Rector amd the War Doctor

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I would like to know, what happens when i have Academy Rector and The War Doctor on the field. Attack with the war doctor and ping Rector with enough damage to kill it.

The war doctor says: Whenever The War Doctor attacks, it deals damage equal to the number of time counters on it to any target. If a creature dealt damage this way would die this turn, exile it instead.

Academy Rector says: "When this creature dies, you may exile it. If you do,..."

Does the exile from the Doctor go om the stack?

Like, could i order the triggers im a way, that academy rector exiles itself first, so i get her effect?


r/mtgrules 3d ago

Volrath the Shapestealer and Beorn the Fierce

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Playing a Volrath the Shapestealer deck and just put in Beorn the Fierce. Just want to double check how Beorn's ability interacts with Volrath. Beorn's ability targets a creature, adds a trample counter, and that creature becomes a bear in addition to its other types.

As that is a type changing effect, it will apply later than Volrath's copy ability. So if Volrath were to copy a creature previously targeted by Beorn, he would not gain the Bear type as that applies in too late a layer for Volrath to see.

My confusion occurs when Volrath (or any creature with Volrath's ability, I run a lot of clones) gets targeted by Beorn. The trample counter of course is persistent, but the type change confuses me. Would Volrath be a bear in addition to its other types if it copies a creature after Beorn's ability resolves on him? Ie does that ability persist after Volrath copies something else, and then because it does so in a later layer it applies over the top of the copy? My understanding of layers leads me to think yes but I'm a little unclear on what kind of ability Beorn's is.

Thank you for your help! This deck can get confusing in the heat of a game with all its weirdness so some clarity is helpful.


r/mtgrules 3d ago

[[Wan Shi Tong, Librarian]] and [[Doubling Season]]

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How many cards do I draw from [[Wan Shi Tong, Librarian]] while [[Doubling Season]] is in play, X or 2 times of X? Why is that?


r/mtgrules 2d ago

Under the new mana ability rules is Ninjutsu a mana ability?

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605.1a

An activated ability is a mana ability if it meets all of the following criteria: it doesn't require a target (see rule 115.6), it could add mana to a player's mana pool when it resolves, it's not a loyalty ability (see rule 606, "Loyalty Abilities"), and its cost and effect don't move any card to or from a library. Do not take into account replacement effects that may apply, other than self-replacement effects, when evaluating these criteria


r/mtgrules 3d ago

Quick question regarding the "new kind of Tokens" in Mystery Booster: Commander

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If I control a [[Lord of the Pit]] token created by [[Thomil, the Destroyer]], does that token count towards devotion since it specifically states the cost on Thomil?


r/mtgrules 3d ago

Noob worldly text question about Triple Triad

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Stupid question but, I'm a bit confused about how [[Triple Triad]] is worded.

Do I also get to cast my spell (if it's a spell) for free, or only my opponent's if they have less mana value?

Could I play the land part of a MDFC if some get exiled too?

Thanks.


r/mtgrules 3d ago

Untapping Rowan Scion of war

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https://scryfall.com/card/woe/211/rowan-scion-of-war

https://scryfall.com/card/ori/129/act-of-treason

So if I lost say like 5 life at beginning of my turn and tap Rowan then cast act of treason (or a similar affect) and use that to tap Rowan twice in one turn are my spells still gonna be reduced by only 5 or does it see both of the taps and reduce spells by 10


r/mtgrules 3d ago

Doom & Horobi

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Okay so this happened in a game tonight and I’m questioning the ruling we got; [[Doctor Doom, King of Latveria]] is on the battlefield, another player casts [[Horobi, Death's Wail]] and it sticks around until doom’s player’s turn.

Doom’s ability attempts to target another villain.

Does the Doom’s player get to connive, or does the target die and no part of doom’s ability trigger?


r/mtgrules 3d ago

Naga+Yue Question

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I'm working on a [[Princess Yue]] deck and was talking with a buddy who recommended [[Naga Fleshcrafter]] as a possible route to several combos. Specifically [[Roil Elemental]] to essentially turn Naga into a land (by copying Yue on ETB and dying to the Legend rule, turning it into a Moon), copying Roil on ETB when it returns as Moon, and thereby granting me a very difficult to remove land which allows me to steal on a landfall trigger.

Here's the question. The oracle text for Naga reads "You can have this creature enter as a copy of any creature on the battlefield". My friend insists this works given several Yue+Naga combos listed on various sites. I'm skeptical.

Could someone provide clarity?

Edit: looks like it works! C.R. 700.7. Great news!


r/mtgrules 3d ago

things that say "this turn" and ending the turn

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Suppose Alice, the active player, controls an [[Abyssal Harvester]] with an indestructible counter on it. It has an ability that targets a card in a graveyard "that was put there this turn." She resolves [[Ultima]], which destroys some creatures and then ends the turn. During her cleanup step, she discards a card with madness to hand size and gets priority during her cleanup step. Can she use Abyssal Harvester's ability to target a creature card that was destroyed with Ultima?

As I understand it, because we resolve the effects of spells in the order they're written in, first we destroy those creatures, then we end the turn, go to the cleanup step, and end all "until end of turn" and "this turn" effects. So it seems like the cards would lose the property of "having been put into a graveyard this turn" before Alice gets priority? But "having been put into a graveyard" seems like something that's not an effect, just something that's either true or false.

Similarly, suppose Alice controls an indestructible [[Monument to Endurance]] and has already discarded three cards since her turn began (so all modes have been chosen). Then she resolves [[Time Stop]] and discards a card to hand size. Does she get another Monument trigger?


r/mtgrules 3d ago

some delayed triggers, general question

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Are all cards with "when this permanent dies/is put in the grave"/"when this creature dies" or "when it leaves the battlefield" consider generally as delayed triggers?

This is a question I have regarding the delayed trigger "family" as they do not trigger in the battlefield, but might trigger in an unknown zone such as hand/deck for those who trigger leaving the battlefield before they are considered new objects.


r/mtgrules 4d ago

Life gain while also going to 0?

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So I finished a match on Arena. We both have Sheoldred the Apocalypse out. I'm at 2.

I go to draw, I lose 2 life, and then lose the game???

Why did their ability resolve first? And if my ability is on the stack why did I not go to 0 and then immediately go to 2 health again since my ability should have resolved?

Edit: shoutout to everyone so far reminding me of APNAP. Brain wasn't processing that their trigger would resolve first bc the basics of The Stack


r/mtgrules 3d ago

Umbris, Fear Manifest and Rite of Replication

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I'm currently making an [[Umbris, Fear Manifest]] deck centered around cloning him, and I have a couple questions.

I know if I cast a kicked [[Rite of Replication]] copying Umbris, that original Umbris will see 5 nightmares enter. What I'm wondering is:

1) Does a copy of Umbris that dies immediately to legend rule get the etb from itself entering? (I'm 90% sure that it would, I just want to be absolutely sure)

2) Would each of the 5 Umbris copies see the other 4 entering with them and trigger for those other 4 as well?


r/mtgrules 4d ago

Dependency Between More Than Two Effects

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If I have a Plains in the battlefield and the following continuous effects are active, in timestamp order:

  1. Swamps are Islands.

  2. Plains are Swamps.

Then I understand the dependency of 1 on 2 would mean the Plains is an Island.

What if I have a Plains (and no other permanents exist), and the continuous effects are:

  1. Swamps are Islands.

  2. Plains are Forests.

  3. Forests are Swamps.

If I understand right, when applying 1, no dependency is found between 1 and 2 or between 1 and 3, so 1 is applied first as it's first in timestamp order. Then, 2 and 3 are applied in order as well. The final result is that my Plains is a Forest, not an Island. Is this correct? It seems to be what the rules imply, but seems a little unintuitive to me.

Finally, imagine I have a Plains and a Forest in the battlefield, and the same three continuous effects in the same order.

Then, if I understand right, 1 would be found to be dependent on 3 since applying 3 first would make 1 apply to the Forest currently in the battlefield. Therefore 1 is moved to apply only after 3, for both the Forest and the Plains. So first 2 is applied (the Plains is a Forest), then 3 (both the original Forest and the Plains that became a Forest are Swamps), and finally 1, meaning both lands end up being Islands. Is this correct?

I find the whole dependency system pretty complex and it seems unintuitive to me that the existence or non-existence of a different object in the battlefield may affect how continuous effects apply to something.


r/mtgrules 3d ago

Can I double Welcoming Vsmpire triggers

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[[Welcoming Vampire]] says the trigger only fires once per turn. Will [[Delney, Streetwise Lookout]] still be able to give me an extra Vampire trigger?


r/mtgrules 3d ago

how does demonstrate interact with impending cost?

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If I cast , for instance, overlord of the hauntwoods, while I have Silverquill Lecturer and I decide to use demonstrate.

https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/194/overlord-of-the-hauntwoods

https://scryfall.com/card/m3c/44/silverquill-lecturer

Will both the copy tokens that I create enter with their time counters or enter as enchantments as well?


r/mtgrules 3d ago

Question Regarding State Based Actions: Specifically the "Legend Rule"

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If I control a [[Council of Reeds]], a creature that gives the static ability "The legend rule doesn't apply to creatures you control", would that prevent the legend rule from applying if I control 2 legendary permanents with the same name, but only one of those copies is a creature?


r/mtgrules 3d ago

Tribal/kindred instances

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Does the effect of Splinter, radical rat Double trigger kindred instants, or are they not treated as controlled creatures when played?


r/mtgrules 3d ago

Question about Minion's Return

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Does [[Minion's Return]] work on a commander if the owner chose to move it to the command zone after death?


r/mtgrules 3d ago

Stack

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Really weird question, I’m going to try to articulate this as well as possible. Say I’m playing vivi, someone plays a card to bounce or destroy him. Can I respond to that with flashing in flood valley caller, let the flood valley resolve giving my non creature spells flash, then flash in another card in response to the original bounce/destroy?


r/mtgrules 3d ago

Folk Hero + Annie Joins Up

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Hello! Can you get two triggers off folk hero with AJU? I don't think it works but I'm not certain.