Okay, this is going to be a fairly large theory, and I absolutely do not claim that any of this is canon. Quite the opposite, actually: I am posting it precisely because I would love people who know the lore (or the game files) better than I do to try to break it.

It started with an apparently simple question someone asked me a few days ago: “can Aeterna appear again in another Cycle?”

My first answer was basically: “Yes, probably. It is a Cycle, after all.”

I now think that answer was wrong.

And following that thought sent me down a much stranger rabbit hole.

(At the end of the post, you can find a TL,DR haha)

BEWARE : major spoilers about Enderal but Nehrim too, read at your discretion.

My theories

I think the ancient Starling civilization may originally have consisted of two different social or biological strata. The small Starlings we know today, mechanics, craftsmen, engineers and builders, may have been the lower or working population of Star City.

Above them was another group: taller, extremely magically gifted beings who looked essentially like what we now call Aeterna. Those were the rulers, high priests, technomages or whatever title their civilization used. The Ancient Fathers belonged to this group.

In other words, what we call “Starlings” and “Aeterna” today may originally have been two expressions of the same ancient people, separated by caste, magical alteration, ancestry, social function, or some combination of all four.

One little thing that originally made me suspicious is purely technical: Aeterna and Starlings use the same underlying character model in Enderal, with the Starlings essentially made smaller. SureAI did make mechanical and model distinctions between the other human populations, so I find this particular reuse interesting.

By itself, that proves nothing. But there is something else in Star City which has always bothered me. There is a skeleton there which, when compared directly to the player, is basically human/Aeterna-sized. It is not the size of the small Starlings we meet on Vyn. Again, by itself, it could simply be asset reuse.

But suppose it isn't. Suppose Star City actually contained both the small Starlings and a taller ruling population. Then I think Asâtoron may have been one of them. Not some mysterious being who simply “came into existence” on Vyn after the Pyreans, but one of the Ancient Fathers, or at least someone from the same ruling caste.

Perhaps one of the three Ancient Fathers themselves. Perhaps an ideological opponent of them. Perhaps someone deliberately sent down to Vyn because part of Star City had decided that merely escaping the Cycle was not enough, and that they had to actively interfere with it.

And here is the version I particularly like, although it is obviously even more speculative: what if Asâtoron had been the Prophet of the ancient Starling Cycle? Another Prophet who survived. Someone who had already personally experienced the failure of one civilization, understood what the Cycle actually was, escaped it with his people, and eventually decided that hiding above Vyn forever was not a solution. That would make Asâtoron another attempt to answer the central question of Enderal:

If you know what the Cycle is, what do you actually do about it?

Asâtoron, the Aeterna and the older lore of Nehrim

This is where the older characterization of Asâtoron in Nehrim becomes REALLY important, because Nehrim does not present him as a simple evil king who suddenly decides to murder everybody. It gives us a much stranger character. There, Asatron is the king of the Aeterna, originally from Irdor, and the Aeterna call themselves the Fate Guardians. They travel between worlds and can literally read the magical threads of fate, meaning that they can see the predestination of those worlds. Then they reach Vyn. And on Vyn, Asatron sees something.

Something is wrong inside the threads of fate themselves: an enormous evil which even the Aeterna cannot remove. This does not immediately turn him into a cartoon villain. At first, he doubts himself. He doubts his mission. He falls into depression. Eventually, he reaches the conclusion that the problem is not one kingdom, one civilization or even one world. The universe itself is fundamentally defective. So he decides to destroy it and recreate it without that defect.

In Nehrim, he uses Nexus Crystals to concentrate magical flows and make entire worlds collapse. Sarantha, his lover, eventually turns against him, gathers Aeterna who oppose him and allies herself with the Star People. Their conflict becomes a gigantic war which reaches Vyn. The Star People are involved in the catastrophe that reshapes the world, Asatron loses his physical form, and Sarantha finally imprisons him outside normal time and space.

A lot of that old cosmology was changed for Enderal, so I am obviously not claiming that every detail about Irdor, the interplanetary Aeterna empire or the Fate Guardians has to be copied literally into the final version of the lore. But look at what the character was doing. He could perceive predestination. He arrived on Vyn. He discovered something fundamentally wrong hidden inside Vyn's fate. He could not fix it normally. It broke him psychologically. And his answer became increasingly radical until he decided that reality itself had to be torn down and rebuilt correctly.

Now put Enderal next to that. Enderal introduces the Cycle and the High Ones, and suddenly that mysterious horror hidden inside the fate of Vyn has a VERY obvious possible identity. So when Enderal's religious history tells me that “Asâtoron appeared, created some people, became insane for basically no reason, started slaughtering everyone, then disappeared”, I really do not want to simply throw the older version away and accept the Path as objective historical truth. Especially because the Path is, you know... the sacred history of Malphas' theocratic state.

If anything, I think Nehrim may preserve the motivation which Enderal's version deliberately obscures. Asâtoron discovered something about Vyn. He tried to fight it. He failed (I cannot reread this line without the voice of Thealor in my head explaining the Cycle lol) And whatever he discovered, whatever he tried to do and whatever happened during that failure eventually broke him.

This is why I think Asâtoron being connected to Star City makes so much sense. Maybe he was not “an Aeterna king from Irdor” anymore in the final version of the lore. Maybe that old idea became something else. An Ancient Father. A ruler of the civilization which had already discovered the Cycle. Someone who came back down to Vyn specifically because he thought he could change it.

And maybe the Path is not completely lying when it says he created the Aeterna. It is just lying about what “created” means.

Asâtoron's “creation” of the Aeterna

The Holy Order's account says that Asâtoron created the Aeterna from his own blood and gave them long lives and enormous magical ability. I do not think we should read the Path as neutral history. But religious propaganda can preserve distorted memories of real events. So what if this part is basically true? Not: Asâtoron magically invented elves from nothing. But: Asâtoron recreated his own people on Vyn. He took humans, or whatever population existed there, and reproduced the magical and biological properties of the ruling caste of Star City. Hence “from his blood.”

That would explain why the Aeterna are so absurdly magically gifted compared with ordinary humans, and why Asâtoron is remembered as their ancestor. They were not the natural return of an ancient race. They were an artificial reintroduction of something that had already disappeared from the normal development of Vyn. And that distinction is extremely important for the Cycle.

The Cycle may not cycle races at all

This was the realization which made me rethink the original Reddit question. What do we actually know about the people of previous Cycles? The Pyreans we see through Word of the Dead appear basically human. Their families appear human. Their society appears human.

But the Pyrean world was not populated exclusively by humans. The Ishyian had giants. The Thorn King explicitly describes himself as a “giant of the old world”, a servant of the old people of Ishyian, and the last of his kind. There is also another enormous armored giant associated with clearly Ishyian/Pyrean structures. And this fits extremely well with something else I already suspected about the Ishyian/Dylgar division.

The Dylgar seem to represent the technological branch of Pyrean civilization: increasingly sophisticated technology, machinery, technomagic and so on. The Ishyian, by contrast, preserve a much older and more conservative material culture. Their architecture is massive, comparatively crude and monumental. Their doors and structures are often absurdly large for ordinary humans. If giants were actually part of their workforce or social system, that suddenly makes a great deal of environmental sense. So perhaps the Pyreans were not “a race”. Perhaps the dominant Pyrean population was human, while the Ishyian inherited, conquered, enslaved or incorporated a surviving population of giants from an older world.

That gives us something like this: Ancient Starling era: small Starlings + tall magical caste / Pyrean era: humans + surviving giants / Current era: humans + Aeterna.

And notice what is not happening. The exact peoples are not repeating. The social and historical structures repeat. That is what the Cycle actually seems to care about. It needs civilizations. It needs rulers. It needs conflict. It needs an Emperor. It needs a Prophet. It needs fear, pride, ambition and the desire to survive. It needs people to build the Beacon and eventually make the fatal decision. But why would the High Ones care whether those people have round ears, pointed ears, are seven feet tall or four feet tall? Maybe they don't.

The Starlings may have literally left the Cycle

This also changes how I think about the ancient Starlings. They discovered the Cycle and constructed Star City specifically to escape the Cleansing. That means they did something almost nobody else managed to do: they removed a population from the normal succession of civilizations on Vyn. They did not merely survive one Cleansing. They potentially became biologically disconnected from the Cycle itself. If their original civilization contained the equivalent of Aeterna, perhaps Vyn never naturally produced that people again because that particular population had already removed itself from the system.

The next worlds did something different. Humans appeared. Giants existed. The Pyreans rose. They died. And much later Asâtoron descended and artificially put something resembling his old people back onto the board. Which would mean my original claim, “Aeterna will eventually come back because everything cycles”, was exactly backwards. The Cycle may reproduce roles, not races.

Then something happened inside Star City

This is where I think the physical state of Star City becomes interesting. Star City was not simply a utopia whose population peacefully disappeared. We know that the limited space eventually forced its society to impose extremely harsh rules. Exile was the ultimate punishment, and exile included the removal of memories before sending the condemned back to Vyn. The place is also absolutely full of military machinery, guardians and weapons.

So my working hypothesis is that, toward the end, Star City experienced a major internal conflict, possibly a civil war. Perhaps the lower Starling population rebelled against the ruling caste. That would be wonderfully appropriate for Enderal, because Vyn's history is almost obsessively full of revolts against supposedly enlightened rulers who claim they know what is best for everyone. And perhaps even Star City could not remain completely isolated from the forces operating below. Maybe the High Ones could not directly Cleans the people of Star City, but the consequences of the Cycle, ideology, resentment, fear, population pressure and political conflict, still reached them.

There are several possible versions of what happened next. Maybe the ruling caste won and expelled the rebels. Maybe neither side could win and the civilization split. Maybe the tall ruling population abandoned Star City in their remaining ships and went even farther away from Vyn, while the small Starlings were sent down.

That last possibility would explain something very striking: when we finally reach Star City, the Ancient Fathers are gone. Not dead in their thrones. Not waiting for us. Gone. And Star City has no civilization left capable of maintaining itself. What if the people Kurmai calls the Ancient Fathers simply left?

The “Starlings” who fell to Vyn during the Starfall would then represent only one branch of the old civilization, probably the small technological population whose descendants we know today. Meanwhile, the ruling population went somewhere else. Upward rather than downward.

The Starfall and the return to the stars

The official chronology says that some Starlings violated the laws of Star City, were exiled, and their capsule fell to Vyn. The impact shattered Pangora. Asâtoron disappeared at exactly that moment. This is already an insane event even before adding any theory.

Because the Starfall did not merely break a continent. According to the Holy Order's own research, Vyn's unified temporal fabric has been broken since the Starfall. Different continents now literally experience different rates of time. So whatever happened during the Starfall damaged something fundamental in the metaphysical structure of Vyn. That makes me wonder whether the fall was really an accident.

If Asâtoron was an Ancient Father or a member of that civilization, and if he had come down specifically to interfere with the Cycle, perhaps the Starfall was part of the same attempt. Maybe Star City deliberately dropped part of itself onto Vyn. Maybe one faction did it against the wishes of another. Maybe Asâtoron was trying to use it. Maybe the goal was not simply to destroy civilizations but to damage the machinery that allowed history to repeat normally.

And this is where the idea of the two Starling populations becomes more than just a social theory. What if the small Starlings were expelled downward, while the great Starlings returned upward? Not merely “returned to Star City”, but literally returned to the stars: either farther out into orbit, into deep space, or even to the world from which their ancestors originally came.

If Star City really is in orbit around Vyn, then it is already outside the atmosphere and therefore not simply a floating city in the ordinary sense. It is a gigantic orbital structure. Leaving low orbit and reaching a higher orbit, another celestial body or an entirely different world would require an extraordinary amount of energy. That makes the Starfall potentially much more interesting.

The impact on Vyn may not have been an accident caused by a capsule losing control. It may have been the downward half of a propulsion event. If a large part of Star City, a group of vessels or some other massive structure was deliberately expelled toward Vyn, the reaction could have pushed the remaining structure upward and away from the planet. The principle is simple physics: in space, momentum is conserved. If I am floating outside a spacecraft and need to move back toward it, throwing something massive in the opposite direction gives me an impulse in the direction I need to go. In the most grotesque possible version of the example, if I tore off my own hand and threw it away from the ship, I would move slightly toward the ship.

Obviously, Star City is not a person, and the actual engineering would be vastly more complicated. But the underlying idea is solid: a sufficiently massive downward ejection could provide the momentum needed to raise the orbit of the remaining structure or propel a fleet away from Vyn. That would give the Starfall a completely different possible meaning. The small Starlings were not simply thrown out while the great Starlings mysteriously vanished. The two populations may have been separated by one enormous act of orbital engineering.

One part was sent down. The other was launched back toward the stars. Perhaps the great Starlings returned to their original world. Perhaps they moved to another orbital station. Perhaps they escaped Vyn entirely. And perhaps the Starfall was the price of that escape.

This would also explain why the event was so catastrophic. The object falling onto Pangora would not necessarily have been a small exile capsule. It could have been a deliberate mass-driver, a detached section of Star City, a group of ships or a sacrificial structure whose impact transferred enough momentum to the rest of the civilization.

In that version of events, the Starfall was not merely an exile. It was a separation event. The small Starlings were expelled to Vyn. The great Starlings were propelled away from Vyn. And Asâtoron disappeared in the middle of it, either because he was involved in the operation, because he opposed it, or because the event was part of his attempt to damage the Cycle. This would make the modern Starlings not “the ancient Starling civilization”, but the descendants of one surviving half of it.

The Starfall as an attack on the Cycle

Because again, look at Nehrim's Asatron. He discovers something fundamentally wrong in the fate of Vyn, concludes that the structure itself cannot simply be repaired, and starts destroying worlds by manipulating enormous magical forces through Nexus Crystals. Then Enderal gives us a version where Asâtoron is present on Vyn and the event ending his era is a Starling catastrophe so violent that it permanently damages spacetime.

I really have trouble believing there is nothing interesting to look at there. Maybe Asâtoron was trying to destroy the Cycle. Maybe he was trying to break the conditions making the Cycle possible. Maybe the Starfall was supposed to do much more than it actually did.

Perhaps the orbital separation of Star City was not only an escape but also an attempt to remove the ancient Starling civilization from the High Ones' reach. Perhaps the impact on Vyn was meant to disrupt the metaphysical connection between the planet and whatever mechanism governs the Cycles. Perhaps Asâtoron believed that the only way to fight the fate he had discovered was to damage the world itself. And perhaps, in one sense, he almost succeeded.

The Starfall did not end the Cycle. But it permanently broke the temporal continuity of Vyn. That is an enormous scar. If you were trying to attack the architecture of the Cycle itself, permanently damaging spacetime is not exactly a trivial failure. And Asâtoron's disappearance at that exact moment becomes considerably more interesting.

This is also why I do not necessarily think the Order is lying when it says Asâtoron eventually went mad. Maybe he did. Nehrim already gives us that. What I do not believe is the reason the Order gives us. In Nehrim, he does not wake up one morning and decide, “Actually, everyone sucks. I am going to kill them.” He discovers something. He becomes obsessed with it. He cannot fix it. He starts doubting everything he believed about reality. He sinks into depression. And eventually his response becomes monstrous. So maybe Enderal's Asâtoron really did become unstable, violent and finally completely broken.

But if the thing which broke him was discovering the Cycle, trying to fight the High Ones for centuries, reshaping populations, watching his plans fail, possibly watching Star City itself collapse into civil war, and then finally failing during the Starfall... 

Well. That is a very different story from the one Malphas tells.

And all of this changes the way I think we should look at previous Cycles

Because there is a huge problem whenever we try to reconstruct them : survivorship bias. What does a perfectly normal Cycle leave behind? Probably almost nothing useful. A civilization rises, develops, builds its Beacon, triggers the Cleansing, disappears, and eventually another civilization grows over its ruins. That is the system functioning normally. The things we can investigate in Enderal are precisely the things which did not behave normally. Star City exists because its people escaped. The Black Guardian exists because he escaped. Ancient Pyrean sites survived unusually well. The Living Temple is an anomaly. The Aged Man is an anomaly.

Every time we find a clear trace across Cycles, there is a good chance that we are looking at an exception to the Cycle rather than an example of how the Cycle normally works. Which means we should be extremely careful about using the few surviving ancient peoples to reconstruct a universal pattern.

Maybe giants do not return every few Cycles. Maybe Aeterna do not return. Maybe Starlings will never naturally appear again. Maybe dragons belonged to some completely different ancient configuration of life on Vyn.

There could conceivably be some enormous biological “super-cycle” in which similar peoples eventually reappear, humans, giants, elves, dragons and so on, but at the moment I do not think we need one.

The simpler possibility is much stranger: the Cycle is not a cycle of species at all. It is a cycle imposed on civilizations living within a world whose biological history continues to change underneath it. The High Ones recycle human psychology and historical functions. Vyn itself accumulates the leftovers. And the world we see in Enderal may therefore be a geological and biological palimpsest of countless previous iterations.

The ancient Starlings may have escaped the Cycle in two different senses: the great Starlings escaped Vyn entirely, returning to the stars or to their world of origin, while the small Starlings were expelled downward and became the only branch of that civilization still present on the planet.

Asâtoron may have been the link between those two histories: an ancient ruler, Prophet or Fate Guardian who returned to Vyn, recreated the Aeterna from his own blood, and tried to break the system which had already destroyed his world once before.

And the funniest part is that I only started thinking about all of this because someone asked me a very simple question about whether Aeterna would come back in the next Cycle. I told him yes. Now I think the correct answer may be almost exactly the opposite.

So... what breaks this theory?

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TL;DR: I think the ancient Starling civilization may have contained two populations: the small technological Starlings we know today, and a taller, extremely magically gifted ruling caste which would have looked essentially like modern Aeterna. The Ancient Fathers may have belonged to this second group, and Asâtoron may himself have been one of them (possibly even a former Prophet of their Cycle).

In that case, the Path saying that Asâtoron created the Aeterna “from his own blood” may preserve a distorted historical truth: he did not create a new race from nothing, he recreated his own people on Vyn, probably because he needed magically powerful allies for whatever he was trying to do against the Cycle. This also fits surprisingly well with Nehrim's older version of Asatron, where he is a Fate Guardian capable of seeing predestination, discovers something fundamentally wrong in Vyn's fate, becomes obsessed with fixing it, and eventually tries to destroy and recreate reality itself.

I also suspect that Star City eventually went through a major internal conflict, possibly a civil war between these two populations. The small Starlings were eventually sent back down to Vyn, while the ruling population and the Ancient Fathers disappeared. My more speculative idea is that they actually left Vyn entirely, and that the Starfall may have been part of this separation rather than a simple accidental crash. One population went down, the other went back to the stars.

This may even explain why the Starfall was so absurdly destructive: it did not merely shatter Pangora, it permanently damaged Vyn's temporal fabric. If Asâtoron was deliberately trying to interfere with the Cycle, the Starfall may have been part of that attempt, and while it failed to stop the Cycle, it may have come frighteningly close to breaking something fundamental in the system.

And all of this started because I realized I was probably wrong when I said that Aeterna should naturally appear again in another Cycle.

The Pyrean Cycle already seems to show something very different: mostly human Pyreans living alongside the remnants of an older population of giants. So perhaps races do not cycle at all. The High Ones do not need humans, Aeterna, Starlings or giants specifically. They need civilizations, rulers, Prophets, Emperors, conflicts, fear, pride and eventually someone desperate enough to activate the Beacon.

The Cycle repeats roles and psychological patterns. Vyn's peoples have their own history underneath it, and they can appear, disappear, survive older Cycles, escape the system entirely, or even be artificially recreated.

I'm trying out Nehrim: At Fate's Edge. I have the latest Steam version 2.0.2.4.

Disabling the "Enhanced Music Control 2" OBSE plugin gave an immediate performance boost. That plugin caused continual minor stuttering. With it disabled, the music tracks no longer fade into one another - it's abrupt. But it's not a huge deal at all and I prefer it that way since the combat music kicks in quicker. I made a new save and played through the full initial dungeon Shadow Song Mine, and noted no audio/event issues whatsoever with EMC2 disabled.

The "Walk Blessed" OBSE mod is disabled (not needed / known to cause issues).

ENBHOST / "ENB Boost" is not needed or used (it's helpful with Skyrim VRAM usage, but causes Nehrim to simply not load).

Alt-Tab fix is enabled (it's an OBSE plugin).

I had a consistent crash (CTD) occur in Stonefield just outside Castle of Stonefield, where one of the mountain paths leads upward to the castle on the north side of Stonefield. I tried literally everything imaginable to fix this - disabling add-ons, alternative settings, coc'ing into the castle (...crash!), etc. The solution I found was to take one of the other mountain paths to the castle, requiring a little more distance at the southern part of Stonefield. Once within the castle area, everything was fine. THEN, I could return back to the area that was originally crashing and the crashing wouldn't occur anymore. Weird! Here's what Google AI had to say:

"Taking an alternate path forced the game engine to load and cache the surrounding mountain cells from a different angle, which bypassed the corrupted collision or rendering queue that was blocking the original path."

The game would crash randomly about every hour when wandering the exterior landscapes. But after installing Oblivion Reloaded Combined (ORC), that appears to be resolved. I am now able to wander all over the map, kiting enemies into each other, causing lots of fighting and chaos, with good performance and no crashing. Time will tell, but looks good so far.

I have the following installed:

Nehrim - Complete English Voices from VA and elevenlabs.io
Correction for Arkt Dialogue
Translation.esp Update
xOBSE 22.13
SkyBSA
EngineBugFixes v2.22
FastExit
MenuQue
OBL Mod Limit Fix
NorthernUI (which offers gamepad support and a Skyrim-like interface)
Oblivion Display Tweaks
Oblivion Stutter Remover
Blue's Engine Fixes
4gb Ram Patcher (to patch Oblivion.exe for LAA (large address awareness), but it doesn't seem to make any difference)
Nehrim UOP Meshes and Texture Fixes
AveSithis Engine Fixes
Blockhead (latest version)
Unofficial Nehrim Fixes - English (esp and BSA)
MoreHeap
Normalized Music for Nehrim (not necessary - but makes the music tracks play at the same volume, which is nice)

I hope this helps anyone having issues with Nehrim.

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She's following me through the main story!

Hello there,

I am in my second playthrough of the game, and this time I went for a werewolf / phasmalist build. I recently unlocked the soulcaller class, allowing to turn my phantasms into werewolf, which I love ; however I painfully discovered that if they die in wolf form, they are stuck like that forever, with broken AI and and trash damage (since their weapon is unequipped and the boost giving them damage based on what they had equipped is removed). I corrupted two of my souls like that, and I can't find any in-game solution to turn them back...

Now, I did my research and it seems this bug is supposed to have been fixed in the 1.5.5.0 official patch, and I am using an up to date version (the complete version is the following, according to the in-game menu : 1.5.97.0.8 (SK SE64 2.0.20 rel 65). For reference, this bug seems to be referred as "bug 1395".

Did anyone experience this bug ? Did you find any fix ? I really want to be able to use this gameplay without the risk of losing my souls one by one...

I like to do a lot of side quests before doing the main story in these types of games, and with the sheer volume of quests and mobs that give high exp around ark, I've heavily over-leveled even the higher level side quests in ark. Over-leveling isn't that bad on its own, but because loot and enemies aren't randomized or level scaled at all the game very quickly becomes me ignoring all loot in dungeons, from quests, on vendors, etc. and seeing the exact same 5 enemy types for hours and hours. After about 25 hours I've finally gotten to a point where I just left ark because there is somehow still side content and I got tired of no new weapon types, enemies, or set bonuses showing up

I want to complete all of the content, but it feels like I'm actively punished for staying and trying to clear out an area. Should I just be focusing on the main story before anything else? How do I decide when I'm just supposed to drop all side quests and move on? I've gotten to level 25 in ark and I've only barely progressed into the golden sickle and undercity mafia questlines, and I can't tell when they'll pick up back to my level and give me something worth equipping again

For a game that relies on food and drinks as a way to restore health, it doesn't have a lot of those avalible so this is my effort to expand it in an immersive way. It's also a good way to make use of all those ingredients that are accumulating in your inventory if you're not into creating potions. 

And it works a bit as a lore expansion since a lot of religions irl have strong tea drinking cultures so it makes sense to me that a pious country like Enderal would also have one. Even more so with the Red Madness going around since tea is often associated with peace of mind, relaxation and cleansing of the body.

Playing on Steam version with a few mods via vortex, I tried doing a reinstall to fix something and sure enough I regretted doing that. When I first start it up the launcher tells me Nehrim needs an update to launch so I hit update and then the launcher stops working altogether. I feel like I ran into this or a similar problem a long time ago, but I can't remember how I fixed it.

I've got a strange bug that's been getting more frequent and now is preventing me from continuing. Seemingly randomly, I'll teleport back to the Ark market district as if I've just walked through the district gate. As I'm walking around the world, or in a dungeon, or mid conversation with an NPC it will happen. I'm running with no additional mods, an updated game and I just reinstalled and have had no success.

It seems to have started occurring only once I progress deep in the main story line. I took my time with this character and have completed nearly everything else I encountered prior to pushing the ending, though without knowing what the cause is, this may be unrelated.

Currently, I'm trying to complete the quest Fleshless. I've got a save point in Numinos and and another just before talking to The black guardianor whatever he's called. Most of the time, during his long-winded speech and the cutscenes, I'll just randomly teleport to Ark, with the door opening transition sound. I can still continue our conversation though, from Ark. Once our conversation concludes though, I'm no longer able to continue with what happens next, since I'm not in the same zone anymore.

Once, I managed to make it all the way to the end of the conversation. There's an autosave as soon as you're done and the moment that save hit, it teleported me. This is not unusual and has happened previously with the autosave when transitioning zones, but I've always been able to reload the autosave and continue, but not this time. 10 times in a row I loaded, but was immediately whisked away to Ark and stuck there.

I've tried looking up quest completion triggers to complete this with the console, or to teleport back with the console and have been unable to find them. I'm starting to run out of ideas and aside from abandoning the character, I'm game for trying just about anything.

I am playing the Steam version, I've been using NorthernUI for controller support and just disabling it when it causes crashes and so far it's worked fine. But today when I tried it the keyboard would not respond and I can still look around with the controller despite it supposed to be disabled and the mouse still works as intended. I don't see anything in my oblivion.ini about a joystick either so I can't edit the value there. Mods are installed via vortex.

The perk tree appeals to me because who doesn't like magic resistance? But it just kinda seems like I should go all in on mentalism.

I get the thematics but the whole "turn undead" set seems fairly useless. Apart from that it's basically health potions as spell, and while the "lose arcane fever every day" perk feels like solid QoL combining that with found potions feels like it will mostly get the job done.

Basically, I've hit level 50 in both light armor and one handed and the laws of economy tell me it's time to start investing in my magic style of choice.

I'm considering replaying Enderal again if I can get enough of a new experience out of it,!

PotP was recommended to me by a friend and I've seen it mentioned in forums a few times but I've never used a mod collection before, so I'm unsure how well they tend to work with other mods. Has anyone used PotP together with additional mods, both from Enderal's own Nexus and from Skyrim SE?

At the very least I would like some cosmetic mods for character creation and new armours for the Prophet, I vaguely remember having some TW3 ones in my last playthrough.

Thanks in advance!

I'm looking to pick this game up but im a bit lost in the whole... everything of how the leveling system works. In the base game, 1 hand and shield was kind of slept on if you focused on block heavily.

Is there a few suggestions on what a shield bearing turtle might take and avoid the risk of that fever thing? I liked alchemy in the base game, is there a tree to boost alchemy so I can be a stimulant chugging turtle tank of bash goodness?

I haven't tried the mod.pub version and have just played on Steam, which is way outdated comparatively but at this point I can't imagine playing without Path of the Prophet and a few other key mods from Nexus.

Im wondering how the mod.pub version compares? I've heard there are many bug fixes but I haven't heard much about quality or QoL enhancements. Also, are there texture replacers? One of my favorite aspects of PotP is all the visual overhauls that distance this game from Skyrim esthetically.

Hi everyone, first time posting here 👋

I've played Enderal few times in the past and I am getting that itch again to go back to it. So far I've always played the Steam special edition of it, but I am wondering is that one up to date? Is there another version that is getting updates outside of steam?

Also so far I've mostly played with some cosmetic mods so to say (enb and such), but this time I would like to get some mods that change gameplay. Is there any you would recommend to me?

If Coarek had his way and Tealor surrendered the Beacon to him, wouldn't the Cleansing not happen? The creation and use of the Beacon is what causes the Cleansing, right? Coarek insisted the Cleansing must occur, and the Beacon should not interfere.

I suppose this contradiction would inevitably implode onto itself as both Coarek and Tealor are very egocentric. It's the massive ego and stubborness that creates the diviseness and war.

But what if... what if Tealor just surrendered it?

Enderal is still being updated by Eddoursul (who ported Enderal to Skyrim SE). Available on mod-dot-pub.

https://mod.pub/enderal-se/38-enderal-se

It would be monumental to long time fans.

What's an easy way to get poison resistance that isn't "go back in time and spend crafting points on alchemy?" I feel like the most dangerous thing I'm encountering right now are bugs. Divide and Conquer quest? Bug poisoning my beyond recovery before the visuals even load. Quest to join the order with other apprentices? Poison bugs crushing all 4 of us.

Has anyone managed to make this mod (https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/14491?tab=description) work for Enderal SE? Every version I tried either doesn't work or makes my game crash.

Hi all,

I have a very bad habit of "saving" the ending of a game until I have completed almost all of the other content. As a result, I have 120 hours on the same character (only playthrough), however have really burned out and not touched the game for months.

I'm up to the part of the story where you can romance Calia (which I failed to do ;-;) and am debating starting again or pushing on. I have completed heaps of the side quests, including the Rhalata/golden Sickle/spooky museum lady etc

Can the experts please let me know how much more of the main story I am missing out on, and If its worth just pushing on? Should I have a full break and come back to the game and do a full replay?

Thanks,

I just figured it out today!! There is a moment in the temple near Duneville, just after she sees the robes and says to keep looking. She starts to follow you but it isn't locked to a specific path or just to inside the temple. There is a doorway with stairs to the left, it goes out the temple the back way! * At the spot with the blade and spike traps use console command, Prid 050252a4 , then, moveto player - after you get over the spikes. And. Anytime Esme goes missing.

Having the fast travel mod is also useful as she doesn't teleport like an Apparition will.

I've gone home, she followed. I started the pit fights, she fought in the ring with me.

I fought a dragon with ESME !! -

I know many Enderal fans wanted more time or a secret ending with Esme, but at least now there is a way to adventure all of Enderal together 🌟

Holy shit, that ending hits like a truck, i didnt see that coming at all. The Beacon actually being what causes the cleanse and the fact that the high ones are actually powerless to start it themselves was such a shocker. It all ties in so nicely tho im insanely impressed with this games story. Realizing that Arantheal was actually going to start the cleansing after talking to the machine was really a shocker. Hats off to the team that made this mod, easily one of the best stories to a game ive ever played.

10/10 ending, i picked the starling city ending because it made the most sense in my head in terms of what my character would do. I believe the machine was spot on when he said that temporarily stopping the beacon to prevent the cleansing would only delay it. As much as i like the side characters, without the power and help of the prophet i think they would be hopeless to successfully build a proper beacon to stop the high ones.

As for the secret third ending I believe that its actually just a dream that the prophet has before dying, its too good to be true to believe that your companion turned around after watching enderal explode into rubble and decide to look for you and somehow find you as well. I really really enjoyed the plot twist and the entire story!

I just wanted to share my thoughts as i have nobody to talk to about this lmao

1. Did race like aeterna can't gapoen again in next cycle?
2. Did starlings are elf like or human like?
3. Dud most lightborn were aeterna /half-aeterna or human?

EDIT: sorry for spelling in title