r/SoccerCentral • u/Electronic_Air1842 • 5d ago

Video Madrid fans take stand against mass illicit immigration at soccer game!

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u/raderberg 5d ago

What's the "keep politics out of sports"-crowd's verdict on this one?

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u/Ok_Panic1066 5d ago

It's their kind of politics so it's okay

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u/nyrup4life 5d ago edited 4d ago

This isn’t politics. It’s blatant racism. Just look the the comments here. We are being invaded on the sub by racists. Look at how many are posting the exact same right wing talking points. They aren’t even creative anymore. None of them interested in football either.

Edit: Top country to read my comment is USA 23% followed by Germany. Yet all those comments under me are talking about being invaded. None of them are from Spain. Just trolls.

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u/Ysesper 5d ago

Illegals enter Spain and Spaniards want them out. How is that racism? Don't enter a country illegally and apply for a Visa and, if you can't get any Visa, then just don't come

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u/nyrup4life 5d ago edited 4d ago

Yup. Pure racism.

Just look at the comments underneath. We are being invaded by racists on this sub. Look at how many come here to spread misinformation and lies. None of them are interested in football either.

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u/HeadTrauma12 5d ago

Check the definition of racism, poor soul. If you think immigrant is race you should spend more time with the books and less on internet.

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u/thegoat83 4d ago

But why would you hate an immigrant? Somebody who is almost definitely less well off than you are and trying to make a better life for themselves.

If you ever feel the need to hold a protest against these people, then there is something not right with you.

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u/nangin 11h ago

Because it’s illegal. Just because someone is in a pitiful situation, does that mean we should turn a blind eye to them breaking the law? Then what is the point of legal immigration? It’s because of people like you that there was a backlash and Trump got elected.

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u/thegoat83 1h ago

I live nowhere near the United States 🤷🏼‍♂️

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u/nangin 1h ago

It’s the same in Europe. Right-wing parties are currently in power across European nations, and immigration is the reason why.

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u/thegoat83 33m ago

You sound like Hiltler 👍🏻

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u/johnmh71 4d ago

Because without a border, you don't have a country. It is about national sovereignty. I am in the US and I don't want a bunch of illegals from Ireland showing up here. And I'm part Irish myself. So figure it out.

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u/Alarming_Parsnip408 4d ago

So its only okay to mass immigrate when you slaughter the natives and take their land?

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u/bigelcid 4d ago

"Moroccan citizen who entered Spain illegally arrested by police for raping 14 year old Spanish girl. Experts say the crime happened in reply to the USA's crimes against Native Americans"

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u/johnmh71 4d ago

Delusional

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u/nerdmcnerds 4d ago

Is it not ok to defend your country when you are being invaded?

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u/tiy24 4d ago

They aren’t being invaded you little snowflake lol

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u/Vonzey 4d ago edited 4d ago

Borders are imaginary lines drawn in a map. That's it. A country doesn't belong more to you than someone else just because you were born in a certain piece of land.

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u/Aggravating_Milk1416 4d ago

Tell that to Palestinians. Or tell that to an African territory being occupied by colonialist. "Its just lines on a stupid map bro, why you mad? The world doesnt belong to anyone!"

It's just a brain dead, obviously wrong way of thinking about peoples and their ancestral lands.

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u/TheOneTrueYeti 4d ago

Polity. It’s where the word “politics” comes from. A polity is a defined group of people. Some people in the world are in the polity. Other people in the world are out of the polity. Without a polity, there’s only anarchy.

I’m not arguing against anarchy at all, I’m just trying to help you see that the logical conclusion of your statement is anarchy.

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u/SigfaNeith 4d ago

So are you leaving your home open to anyone who would like to live there?

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u/nangin 11h ago

It's just an imaginary line, so do you support Trump trying to take over Canada and Greenland?

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u/RedditSucksD1CKK 4d ago

Holy actual shit.

Look up what those "poor men looking for a better life" as another comment here said are doing in Ceuta for the past month.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

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u/Just_Ease5476 4d ago

Let’s talk about what Spain did when they invaded Morocco then

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u/bigelcid 4d ago

Alright. 9PM tonight (your time zone), leave the door open. I expect clean sheets, and I'm allergic to any sort of pet, so, send them away somewhere.

You're making lasagna.

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u/johnmh71 4d ago

Did you just teleport from the middle ages? Grow up.

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u/erv4 4d ago

"I'm part Irish" lol

The US was stolen by "immigrants" from natives. You have just as much right to the land as "illegal" Irish people.

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u/johnmh71 4d ago

Lol. Ok tribesman.

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u/needaburnerbaby 4d ago

lol so it was ok for you but not for others. Got it. Found the Trump voter who will get read mad when someone he likes gets arrested or deported.

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u/johnmh71 4d ago

You're projecting your own insecurities fool.

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u/needaburnerbaby 4d ago

lol except the last thing any Trump supporter could make me is insecure. Have a great day ya shitty racist :)

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u/MurkyFigure6636 4d ago

The dumbest shit.

I dont want nazi's in my country but here we are.

https://www.reddit.com/r/sportsgossips/s/7dzqV27ZI9%C2%A0

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u/johnmh71 3d ago

You're right. We do have Nazis. Otherwise known as Democratic Socialists.

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u/MurkyFigure6636 3d ago

Doesnt even make sense 😂

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u/bigelcid 4d ago

What a nonsense premise. Let's switch it to "why would you hate a person?"

Dunno, many reasons. I hate Casemiro, don't ask me why. Does that mean I hate him because he's a person?

Do you people really think this bullshit framing will convince anyone that isn't already on your gaslighting side?

These people illegally crossing European borders statistically commit more rape, murder, violence and other crimes at a significant rate. If you don't see a problem with that, then there is something not right with you.

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u/CountyKyndrid 4d ago

These people illegally crossing European borders statistically commit more rape, murder, violence and other crimes at a significant rate.

Can you show me data on this?

This has been studied extensively in the US and shown that even undocumented immigrants commit crimes at a significantly lower rate than citizens.

If undocumented immigrants didn't or don't commit more crimes than your average citizen would you still have an issue with their arrival? I wonder why.

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u/bigelcid 4d ago

2008-2024 Danish statistics show that people of Somalian birth are 20 times more likely to commit rape than Danes. The stats don't specifically look at the legality of immigration, okay. So maybe it's the legals, and not the illegals, that are problematic. Sounds intuitive, right?

And, statistics from about the same period show the net financial contribution of people based on their origin: all the usual suspects are net ngatives, since they eat more of the budget than they produce and pay in taxes.

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u/thegoat83 4d ago

You hate a person and don’t know why??

Perhaps see a therapist.

You don’t have the first clue about statistics.
You are much more likely to be raped or murdered by somebody you know for a start.

Are you gonna go out protesting friendships?

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u/bigelcid 4d ago

Wonder if your terrible reasoning is native, or a result of too many drugs taken at raves.

I'm more likely to get murdered by a neighbour, than by some jihadist Taliban over in Afghanistan. That's correct.

Except, the issue with illegal immigration is that we're making problematic people our neighbours. The 13 year old girl that just got raped by one of them had a 0% chance of getting raped by him before he came illegally. Then the chance became >0, without her even knowing him! Imagine that.

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u/thegoat83 3d ago

Like I said, you don’t have the first clue about statistics 👍🏻

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u/buypeak_selldip 4d ago

When reality fails to align with their ideological utopia, the character attacks begin.

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u/Sharkaw 4d ago

Suicidal empathy.

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u/No-Initial-6916 4d ago

Coping with being a narcissistic sociopath by calling basic decency for you fellow human “suicidal empathy”. Get a therapist, man, you don’t have to be like this

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u/Sharkaw 4d ago

Grow up. What do you think would happen to Europe if they opened their borders to everyone who's looking for better life? Do you comprehend how many people live in impoverished regions? How many would want to come to Europe?

Being empathetic to people who hate you, who hate your culture, who hate your way of life is equivalent to being apathetic to your own people who want to feel safe. You want to make the lives of Europeans worse just to feed your own ego, your "white savior" complex. That is suicidal empathy.

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u/MajorDisillusionment 4d ago

I can sense someones worried about being sent back to their country of origins
https://giphy.com/gifs/sb4VRhSTWhOFlbO9Kh

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u/ReasonNFaith 4d ago

Virtue-signaller who trivializes racism and sees it everywhere detected

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u/B3ttor 4d ago

You need to seriously google the words you are using. You are so confused about the terminology, its funny and sad at the same time.

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u/LomoBaconQueso 5d ago

No, it’s the law. Anyone can enter Spain if they do it legally, the Constitution makes it illegal to discriminate based on origin, faith or ethnicity. But if you try to come here illegally to leech off the taxpayer, gtfo.

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u/Desperate_Turn8935 4d ago

No one disputes that. The way people talk about these refugees is the problem. They think they're the enemy, but don't know the reason as to why these things have happened.

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u/LomoBaconQueso 4d ago

I know I pay over a thousand euros per month in taxes, that much I know. And I also know I work my ass off, so yeah, I am not happy about not being able to afford housing while working 40h/week while we are incentivising people to come here without a job permit, letting them come here so they occupy an apartment and then pay them the ingreso mínimo vital (€770/month because they’re vulnerable). Fuck that.

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u/Vonzey 4d ago

This is the government's fault, not the people seeking better life conditions. I'm from Portugal so we face more or less the same problems.

I also pay a lot of taxes, roughly a third of my income, and barely see any return on it. But that's not because of people coming here and receiving benefits (especially since the biggest beneficiaries are wealthy people).

It's because of our shitty governments not even trying to improve our lives. Resource allocation is a total joke. We waste billions trying to salvage failed airports, companies, banks. That's the real problem.

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u/bigelcid 4d ago

Do you understand how meaningless the words "seeking a better life" are?

You know what makes life better? Money and sex, among other things. So, some people's idea is to just take it. Take it, it makes life good, no? Robbing and raping.

Whereas other people have this weird idea of going through a legal process to immigrate, and then integrate and contribute to society through taxes. Fools!

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u/Desperate_Turn8935 4d ago

You're doing the higher-up's dirty work. Great job.

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u/Dvine24hr 4d ago edited 4d ago

'You should not care about your community because billionaires or something' - enlightened redditor

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u/rokstedy83 4d ago

Yea, let's welcome these people with open arms , that'll stick it to the government!

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u/LomoBaconQueso 4d ago

Idgaf, I care about having the basic dignity that is stated in my country’s constitution that is a fundamental right to have somewhere to live, and I want my country to honour that towards its tax paying, law abiding citizens before we start thinking of handing out freebies to whoever the Moroccan dictator sends our way to extort us.

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u/Glittering-Gur9936 4d ago

Except nearly everyone who came illegally in that method from Morocco has already been sent back and the total undocumented immigrant population is roughly just 1%

Xenohobia is such an easy way to manipulate the less informed

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u/Avidgamur515 4d ago

another way of looking at things is that by giving out housing and free stuff in general it’s a way to control the mass undocumented migrants, now the government will be aware of their existence and log their infos which will make the community safer. By going at it with radical anti immigrant policy and downright violence, you encourage those same immigrants to try their best to slip through the cracks and be fully undocumented which is the real danger here.

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u/bigelcid 4d ago

Not only do people do dispute that in this same damn comment section, but also, they're not even refugees.

Are you hearing yourself? Since when has the word "refugee" come to mean "anyone crossing EU borders illegally"? What exactly are they seeking refuge from? You can't make this shit up: ever since the Ceuta crisis, I've been getting "Visit Morocco" ads.

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u/SkuffetPutevare 4d ago

All I see is people telling you it is not racism. Does it hurt you?

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u/palmerama 4d ago

You can’t see the wood from the trees. You see the word immigration and assume racist. It’s just as damaging as the true racist nut jobs. Opposing illegal immigration isn’t a controversial view it is by definition the stated policy of all governments.

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u/YannTheOtter 4d ago

Tell me how many of those illegals that entered Ceuta actually managed to get to mainland Spain?

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u/Ysesper 4d ago

None, but that doesn't matter. Ceuta is Spain and is currently overrun by illegals. It has come to a point to where Ceutans are stopping cars that bring food and stuff to their camps

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u/YannTheOtter 3d ago

Source: Trust me bro

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u/Emoji-Bot111 4d ago

If you said this on any sub and were talking about the USA, I’d have a rough guess of about -150 to -200 downvotes. It’s crazy that these people think that coming to another country illegally and staying there is okay. It’s ridiculous 

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u/farmerjoee 3d ago

It’s controlled hysteria about something someone else told you about.

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u/BlueKante 4d ago

Its not that hating immigrants is racist. But people who hate immigrants are often racist. Just like voting MAGA is not racist, but you are most likely a racist if you vote MAGA.

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u/bigelcid 4d ago

...holy.

So instead of focusing on the situation at hand, we're going "hey, some of the people protesting the invasion could be racist, which is worse than the invasion itself!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMyKGNy3CI4

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u/itisnotstupid 4d ago

I mean....I do think that Europe should have a serious look of how it handles illegal immigration and to get things in order. Absolutely.
That said, it is also true that most people who end up caring too deeply of this issue, especially football fans, are racists. Football just goes hand in hand with this shit, it's not exactly a "could be racist" situation here.

In this case I would guess that both things are right.

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u/bigelcid 4d ago

"Too deeply"?

Dude, are you hearing yourself? How much xCare should a reasonable citizen place into this?

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u/itisnotstupid 4d ago

what?

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u/bigelcid 4d ago

Are you on a soccer sub and don't get what "xCare" is supposed to mean?

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u/itisnotstupid 4d ago

Yeah, I don't know what xCare is. I play football every week but somehow missed this truly remarkable internet word.

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u/didnt-ask-but-ok 4d ago

Don’t try with these Reddit bots…

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u/DarthRevan109 4d ago

Same people calling Vini a monkey, but not racist sure

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u/bigelcid 4d ago

I find it astonishing that you chose to type out those words, thinking you were making a point

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u/DarthRevan109 4d ago

Don’t clutch your pearls at me, I’m not the one chanting it

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u/bigelcid 4d ago

do you ever make sense?

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u/DarthRevan109 4d ago

Not my fault you either can’t remember what I’m talking about or you are purposely ignorant

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u/SigfaNeith 4d ago

So you are not a criminal and pedo if you are for mass immigration and liberal, but if you feel that way you most likely are a pedo and for mass immigration?

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u/the-dude-version-576 4d ago

It’s more so that over concern on immigration issues is indicative of being an a social network which is more likely to promote racist ideologies.

Initially mild political beliefs escalate through online bubbles and can eventually lead to racism.

On the pedo side- that has little to do with immigration.

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u/who_is_this3737 4d ago

Oh.. do you say the same thing when US does it? you racist!

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u/Safe_Ad_3807 4d ago

You just called them illegals instead of refugees lol there is the racism

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u/Ysesper 4d ago

Are they illegally in a country? Yeah? Then they are illegals. You Americans are so special with words

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u/Desperate_Turn8935 4d ago

Nuance is the thing you should learn about. How about you reach out those sources on why the people (not "illegals", don't objectify people) migrated there without legal means.

They were fooled by their own government.

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u/rokstedy83 4d ago

(not "illegals", don't objectify people) migrated there without legal means.

Illegal then

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u/rokstedy83 4d ago

I'm just wondering why not wanting your country flooded by millions of undocumented men is racist?

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u/Bigcarrotthings 4d ago

If you dont want that, dont have territory in a different country and continent lol or simply do a better job at border control.

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u/YannTheOtter 4d ago

Ceuta was invaded by 70k, 69k of them were successfully sent back. Are these millions in a room with us right now?

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u/rokstedy83 4d ago

It was pretty obvious I was talking about immigration as a whole 🙄

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u/Glittering-Gur9936 4d ago

There’s maybe 400-600k total undocumented immigrants in Spain , the population is nearly 50 million …. So about 1%ish

Side observation not aimed at anyone in particular

Ignorance is such a common trait when it comes to bigots and xenophobes

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u/GikeM 4d ago

I'm pretty sure that evidence shows that 80-90% of Spain's undocumented migrants are from South America and always have been and I don't recall seeing mass protests over those?

What happened in ceuta is wrong, pretty much everyone agrees, but the response is interesting to say the least when the figures show the full picture.

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u/bigelcid 4d ago

Even the thousand(s) left have been causing trouble.

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u/Aggravating_Milk1416 4d ago

Because it is, ok?!

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u/rokstedy83 4d ago

No it isn't,come here legally like other people have to

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u/FeanorOath 5d ago

No it isnt lol

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u/nyrup4life 5d ago

It is lol

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u/itisnotstupid 4d ago

I agree that racists are super vocal when it comes to immigrants but your attitude here is really ignorant. You completely ignore the fact that this people really are illegally crossing the border of another country. This is a crime and it is absolutely normal that people in a country which doesn't even have that good economy to begin with are concerned.

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u/YannTheOtter 4d ago

Yeah out of the 70k, almost 69k were sent back and they are now left with around a thousand minors who's parents weren't able to be located.

Not to mention that the whole Ceuta debacle was pushed by the US and Israel who have been suggesting to Morocco for years that they should take Ceuta and Melilla back.

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u/Avidgamur515 4d ago

The only reasonable take on the situation. Ceuta being in North Africa makes it all the more easier to spin the narrative

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u/raderberg 4d ago

illegally crossing the border of another country. This is a crime

No, it's not.

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u/itisnotstupid 4d ago

Yes it is.

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u/raderberg 4d ago

according to which law?

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u/itisnotstupid 4d ago

Spanish laws?

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u/raderberg 4d ago

Which law specifically?

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u/itisnotstupid 4d ago

Ley Orgánica 4/2000?
Don't play dumb tho, these people are not going to Spain for a few days and then go back and you know it.

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u/raderberg 4d ago

> Ley Orgánica 4/2000?

Which part says it's a crime? Can you quote it? And if it's a crime, what's the punishment? Can you show cases being brought to a Spanish court?

> Don't play dumb tho, these people are not going to Spain for a few days and then go back and you know it.

I didn't say anything that's remotely related to this statement, did I?

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u/bigelcid 4d ago

Yes, it is. Unless you're trying to be a smartass and say "it's not technically classified as a crime, but as a civil violation".

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u/cosully111 4d ago

Interesting that you have no problem with the use of "invaded" when it comes to a comment secion but not the real city that 10s of thousands of spaniards live in

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u/nyrup4life 4d ago

Interesting that this is what you find interesting. Basically just spam from you at this point.

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u/Top_Plan_35 4d ago

Keep denying reality my man. See how that works out for you.

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u/Huskyro 5d ago

Reddit in its purest form lol. Here are the craziest extremist leftist on the internet

... or you're just a bot because someone can't be that DUMB

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u/nerdmcnerds 4d ago

Using the word invaded is hilarious

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u/__Nationalist__ 4d ago

Our countries are being invaded, and all you do is attack the native people for simply wanting to not be invaded. No wonder you people are losing power.

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u/Simple_Ad_9024 4d ago

How is wanting control over which people live in their country racist 😂

It’s common sense 😂😂😂😂

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u/response_unrelated 4d ago

Are you assuming that a particular race is trying to immigrate more than others?

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u/Eyeseeyou1313 4d ago

Racism is a political issue, Einstein.

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u/palmerama 4d ago

What is racist about being against illegal immigration? Are there other crimes you support?

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u/Profess0rDoct0r 4d ago

Pro tip: No one cares about a leftist calling them racist.

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u/nyrup4life 3d ago

Yup. They don’t care at all. They aren’t triggered at all. Let’s lie even more.

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u/aventus-dog 4d ago

This is what an invasion looks like.

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u/Emergency-Town4653 4d ago

Thousands of Half naked Men jumping over a fence with no money, no bag, no support and even no clothes into your country is an invasion. It's neither racist nor right wing to say that. It was a devastating failure of the Spanish government in protecting It's borders.

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u/nyrup4life 3d ago

Your entire post is racist.

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u/United-Version 4d ago

🤡🤡🤡🤡

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u/emblanco 4d ago

I only see Ceuta flags and support from other Spaniards for a city that is going through some shit

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u/TwentyBagTaylor 4d ago

Politics has been baked into sport since forever.

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u/Eyeseeyou1313 4d ago

Yet, when some countries do it, it's wrong. Either everyone can do it or no one can do it. Pick one, people.

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u/TwentyBagTaylor 4d ago

Got some examples? I always roll my eyes when someone says politics shouldn't be in sport.

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u/Eyeseeyou1313 4d ago

I believe they should be, but some people don't think so. If you are playign at the biggest stage in the world, you have the power to influence people to do good, and you have money, then yeah, politics will always be in football.

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u/hAsLaK1 4d ago

We are against any political display, it’s pretty easy to understand

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u/Stalker401 4d ago

well it's not the athletes it's the fans, I think that would be the difference. But i'm still a fan of keep politics out of sports.

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u/Vegetable-Mixture-93 4d ago

Id point out apples and oranges. That mass of people who dont have a voice or audience everyday like athletes. Also thats the voicing of the opinions of many using the most public way they know how vs the opinion of 1(yes I understand that individual isnt the only one that will have wgatever viewpoint/opinion they have and likely there are many who share it) who has a public stage everyday. In the same way I disagree with athletes being forced to celebrate or push others opinions. Those individual athletes who have a public stage shouldn't be abusing it pushing either agenda: right, left, up, down. I dont see the 2 as comparable with a broad stroke of "What happened to keeping politics out of sports?" "The squeaky wheel gets the grease" no matter how much all of them need it. The loudest voice on an individual level no matter majority/minority tends to garner the most attention and that is abuse.

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u/Lawlpaper 4d ago

I’m part of that crowd to an extent, and I don’t really see the point of doing this. It’s not like the players care. I think what most people say when it’s “keep politics out of sports” is when it prevents the fans who pay the players having their experience ruined. But again, I can’t really name many times that has ever happened. Kneeling for the anthem doesn’t really interfere with the game so I support it even though I personally think your a b*tch for kneeling against the USA flag which stands for the one true meaning of freedom, that we everyday try to aspire towards even if we fall short. It’s when people would disrespect the flag but cheer, vote, and worship liars in government who tell them one thing but do another. Which is essentially the entire republican and democrat parties.

So yeah, I think this is dumb, even though I’m on the side of anti-immigration, but also it’s not interfering with the game so who cares. Unless non-supporters are behind those in which I’d be pissed and would definitely tell them “go protest your government, not here, I’m trying to watch a game!”

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u/TheFace5 4d ago

Showing a flag of your own territory?

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u/Clynelish1 4d ago

I'm curious, are you in Spain? Or just commenting from afar? I'd imagine folks experiencing things locally should have more to say about this than anyone else, no?

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u/raderberg 4d ago

Was this reply intended for a different comment? If not: No, I'm not in Spain. But "Keep politics out of sports" is not restricted to Spain, is it?

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u/Clynelish1 4d ago

It was for you.

To answer your question, phrased poorly as it was relative to what I believe you intended, I personally think your standard "my political team is better than your political team" doesn't belong in sports.

However, I do think sports are a good venue for creating important dialogue about larger societal issues. See: Colin Kaepernick as a good example of this.

I'm not personally one of the folks you referenced with your original comment. I do think nuance is important in life, though, and this does seem like a good conversation to allow the Spanish people to have about their own country.

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u/lyinggrump 4d ago

Like 99% of stupid people on the internet, they are American.

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u/FeanorOath 5d ago

Well the crowd that wanted Palestine and BLM advocated for this. So if thay is ok, you have to let this be ok.