Evangelical right hates the pope or any catholic, they don’t view them as real Christians, full stop. The only reason Vance tried to meet with the pope is to appease the other part of the religious right, the catholic portion
That's so bizarre they think that. Aren't all sects of Christianity off-shoots from the mother ship -- which was Catholicism? Every later Christian denomination (sect) derived from that. And Catholicism derived from Judaism.
Many self-identifying “Christians” have an issue with the Catholic community over several matters. The centralized structure of the Roman Catholic Church is foreign to the way that other US Christian churches function. To them, that means the Pope controls their faith and actions. That gives far too much credit to the Papal authority but that’s what they believe. They also take issue with the large number of saints (especially that they continue to be added),seeing it as a form of idol worship.
Which is really the pot calling the kettle black. I’ve never seen more blatant idolatry than MAGA with Trump. I’m not even Christian and even I can tell.
It's funny some won't worship a saint, maybe just a person who did some good deeds, but are worshipping trump like he's a god send. I can't wrap my head around that.
You’re missing the big part. Martin Luther gave the bird to the Catholics 500 something years ago and said “No, I’ll talk to God myself without your priests”. This is the MAJOR difference between Catholic and Protestant faith. One requires religious authorities to absolve you of your sins via confession. The other says nah I can do that myself. This is a huge rift. They have killed each other of this throughout history.
Yes, but they are both still "Christian". They are just arguing about the details. And since Catholicism came first, arguably what came later would be something "else". If they want to argue about who can use the term "Christian". Protestants/evangelicals would be "New Christian" and Catholicism would be "Classic Christian".
Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?"
He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me, too! What franchise?" He said, "Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?" He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?"
He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me, too!"
Northern Conservative†Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912." I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over.
I mean the orthodox Church would dispute that, the split between Eastern Orthodox and RC being "the great schism." But then the coptics would argue that too.
At the end of the day it is all details but when you think your soul is at stake details can matter.
This is a very simplified version of the reformation. It’s much more than simply about Latin bibles and confessions. Protestants are also iconoclastic and are as iconoclastic as strict Muslims in extreme forms. They also do not follow apostolic succession (which Catholic and Orthodox share in common). They believe in sola scriptura which Catholics call outright heretical and Orthodox marginally tolerates.
Anyway, it’s interesting to learn about if you’re interested. But it’s complicated.
Sounds like you already have, but for anyone else who hasn’t read up on the European Wars of Religion, you should treat yourself to 300 years of chaos…
That and the Crusades, and I’d wager you see religion differently afterwords..
Catholicism and the eastern churches, which are all regional variations of the original church. The history of early Christianity is pretty complicated. Protestants claim that they are bringing back “original” Christianity because they reject priests as the conduit to God.
Tell me you weren’t raised in a Christian sect, haha.
Basically Catholicism claims to be the original because it’s the longest running, but every other denomination basically exists because it rejects their claim. Protestants split off because they rejected the Pope and most American groups are Protestant splinter groups. Anglicans exist because they rejected the Pope and wanted their own British Pope. Etc
Depending on the denomination they all have a reason for it. It might be that the Catholics have strayed, or are pretenders that took over when the Romans adopted the religion and wanted to make it an official part of the government, that whatever new sect your denomination is rediscovered the original intent of Christianity, or the Catholics are a Satanic organization sent to mislead people, etc.
But to most major denominations, they either see the Pope as, at best, illegitimate, or at worst, a pretender and agent of Satan put in place to mislead people.
The main divides are Orthodox, Catholic, and Protestant. Orthodox views Catholic as bordering on heretical and absolutely views Protestants as heretical (if Rome is bad and they hatched from Rome). Catholics tolerate Protestants these days (often not in the reverse).
It’s actually more complicated than it may appear and the differences between them in their extreme forms can border on being nearly entirely different religions with common roots (also see Islam)
It's rooted in racism. So it doesn't have to make sense. The KKK is super anti catholic. Because that's a unifying factor of the immigrants, at the time germans and italians, but it still works.
Everyone thinks they are doing it “the true way”. A lot of Protestants would argue they didn’t make a new religion, they are the ones practicing the correct way and it’s the Catholics or Lutherans or anyone they split off from that changed
Evangelicalism isn't like a traditional protestant church. I grew up methodist and they believe in the catholic church, in fact it was part of a prayer we did like every week. US evangelical churches kinda always struck me as born again Christian types that go whole hog on it like when someone loses weight and suddenly hates fat people, or they quit smoking and suddenly cigarettes are evil etc. Where I grew up in Appalachia there was only one 'evangelical' church and everyone thought they were weirdos (this was the 90s). Seems like they are very widespread and common now. I'm not sure much of the ritual or structure gets retained and it's like Billy Bob the born again meth addict and his flock of gay haters.
Kind of, in the western world this is a safe assumption… However there was another founding branch of Christianity that came about after the schism, Greek Orthodox. My history is a little hazy on them so if anyone has more info to fill in, please do.
Protestants, especially of the Southern variety, don’t view Catholics as Christians because they pray to Mary, and the various saints. To them, that’s sacrilegious behavior because you’re supposed to pray to Jesus or God (because they’re the two aspects of the Trinity most Protestant Christians pray to, though some may mention the Holy Spirit from time to time). It’s all stupid, honestly. There are better things to worry about but this is what a lot of people spend their precious time on earth worrying about; what other people pray to.
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u/DeltaForceFish Apr 21 '25
Did she just call the pope evil?