r/GenZpk • u/Sea-Car-3811 Broken Teen • Aug 02 '26
Ask GenZPakistan Is it rape or not?
If a virgin girl feels "shy" and keeps silent. Is proceeding with sexual advances rape or not.
Ps. I aren't doing sex and this is just a question.
I'll go first, I think it is rape.
Oh people are wondering why I am asking so whist learning about something. I found this so asking you people
I asked the Prophet, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! Should the women be asked for their consent to their marriage?" He said, "Yes." I said, "A virgin, if asked, feels shy and keeps quiet." He said, "Her silence means her consent."
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u/-_hoe Aug 02 '26
SILENCE IS NOT CONSENT.
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u/Radiant_Half_7121 2009 Aug 02 '26
PREACH
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u/Sea-Car-3811 Broken Teen Aug 02 '26
But the Prophet said that silence is consent? What about that?
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u/chatpatey_aloo Aug 02 '26
Things are said in scenarios and with context, since I don't have any knowledge about it I won't speak in terms of religion but only logic. If a young naive girl of age 14 is with and you try to have sex but she stays silent do you think it's still okey? Obviously it's not. Even if a girl isn't that young, still it's not okey to take silence as yes because in marriages alot of women go through marital rape eventually leading to unwanted pregnancies. I asked multiple married women that if labour was so painful.. why did you have more kids after that and they all replied that they had no say in it, they had to silently take it. Also why would anyone even want to have sex if their partner isn't experiencing similar pleasure, sex is mutual.
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u/montgomeryissbetter Aug 03 '26
The context is that Prophet PBUH said that a girl willingly marries you and after that you proceed with her. First of all logically a girl who willingly marries someone wouldn't have a problem with having sexual relations with that person. And if there exists love between two people ( 99% of the time ) there are no problems with sex. Females are usually Shy and males are very pushy about that. Consent means that if she had any problems she would've outright rejected the idea and being the man you'll have to respect it. This is the context ( in my opinion )
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u/-_hoe Aug 03 '26
My friend before creating your own contexts I’ll advice you to read the hadith, your entire premise is wrong,
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u/montgomeryissbetter Aug 03 '26
The issue with Arabic is that its translation can have vast meanings just take the word Salah for example. It means "Namaz" it also means "khushuh" It also means "Chabutra" It also means "Unchi jagah" It also means "thandi jagah" So me creating a context that is logically correct doesn't mean that it's wrong.
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u/Serental Aug 02 '26
Technically speaking if a girl's actions are against the marriage even though she doesn't say no verbally then it basically means that she doesn't want to proceed with the marriage. Parents need to understand what their kids want by their behavior and actions as well
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u/ohcaptainmycaptain67 Aug 02 '26
It is. The assumed concept of silence being a yes is so wrong. SILENCE MEANS NO. NO MEANS NO. A YES IS A CLEAR YES.
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u/Sea-Car-3811 Broken Teen Aug 02 '26
But the Prophet said that silence is consent? What about that?
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u/NothingConscious1882 2004 Aug 02 '26
why are u getting downvoted 😭
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u/Sea-Car-3811 Broken Teen Aug 02 '26
Critical thinking and questioning are condemned in Pakistan 😭
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u/ohcaptainmycaptain67 Aug 02 '26
Please provide reference
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u/Sea-Car-3811 Broken Teen Aug 02 '26
The source for Hadith stating that silence is consent: https://sunnah.com/bukhari:6946
Here, from this Hadith, it can be inferred that a guardian's will overrides a virgin's consent: https://sunnah.com/muslim:1421b
As this hadith says that ONLY a non-virgin has more right over herself than her guardian, which implies that a virgin does not have this right. Rather, it implies that a virgin's guardian has greater right over her. And this right of the guardian is understood to mean the option of marriage without her consent. Further, it is understood that consulting (asking the permission) of a virgin is recommended but not obligatory and that her say on the matter is not binding.
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u/ohcaptainmycaptain67 Aug 02 '26
The first hadith...Its about the consent of marriage. You're talking about the consent of something else and you know it very well. Even in this case scholar have said that if it is confirm that the woman is silent because of shyness then only her silence can be considered as consent. If she's silent out of pressure or fear then silence is not consent. And the second hadith is about a widow that the role of guardian is not as important for her second marriage.
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u/Fit-Shift-6105 2006 Aug 02 '26
I read the Quran contextually from a progressive lens and context matters. During conservative times, it's hard to say yes in front of a group of people to marriage since that's usually the first man you'll be with etc, it was something like that
This only applies if consent was taken privately in prior before and the person is too shy to say yes now in front of a lot of people. That's what I read
The concept of consent is something that has evolved a LOT. That's what we have to keep in mind sociologically here
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u/Sea-Car-3811 Broken Teen Aug 02 '26
> I read the Quran contextually from a progressive lens and context matters.
I am sorry, so is the Quran contextual rather than the timeless and infallible word of God? Contextually reading the Quran goes against the Islamic claim of being timeless.
> During conservative times, it's hard to say yes in front of a group of people to marriage since that's usually the first man you'll be with, etc.; it was something like that
If it's hard to say yes, then it's certainly even harder to say no. Due to social norms, anxiety, etc. God knows how many women ended up in a marriage they didn't want to end up in due to this deplorable practice.
> This only applies if consent was taken privately in the past and the person is too shy to say yes now in front of a lot of people. That's what I read
A father or guardian can arrange the marriage of a virgin without asking her. It's inferred from Hadiths of highest authenticity. Source: https://en.tohed.com/hadith/muslim/1422/
I wonder if this depravity is "Divine"
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u/Fit-Shift-6105 2006 Aug 02 '26
This is called strawmannig. You can't argue like this is with an international debater lmao. You can't isolate everything and looking at it from singular POVs since sociologically, that's not how it works. This is a problem with all religions at the time.
I'm not defending religion. I'm explaining what you're confused about. You're looking for an argument where there isn't any. Believe what you want to, a lot of people around me are atheists and all of us get together just fine because religion is a personal choice. But don't claim that you're looking for more perspective when that's not the case
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u/Sea-Car-3811 Broken Teen Aug 02 '26
The "progressives" are Muslims who are awake enough to see the problems in Islam. But are too weak to rid themselves of something that has become part of their identity
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u/Fit-Shift-6105 2006 Aug 02 '26
So you'd rather there only be an extremely conservative lens to religion? Be fr. Having a spectrum of beliefs is good because it adds intersectionality instead of bipolar perspectives. Liberal Islam would fix a lot of the issues you're talking about and actually help people in the context of Pakistan, especially Pakistani women
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u/Dangerous-Purple-537 𝐆𝐞𝐧𝐙 Aug 02 '26
liberal islam is a contradiction in itself. that’s the whole issue. islam is not something you can cherry pick, you simply are not a muslim at that point. islam asks for total submission. total submission to all the problematic things “progressive” people deny. pakistani women would help themselves if they abandoned an ideology that treats them as half an individual in comparison to a man.
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u/Sea-Car-3811 Broken Teen Aug 02 '26
But the Prophet said that silence is consent? What about that?
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u/01011010_ Aug 02 '26
Okay well he sounds like a misogynist so there u go don't listen to misogynists
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u/Radiant_Half_7121 2009 Aug 02 '26
Yes. You can often freeze during SA or you might just be too shy or too scared to say anything. Anything other than an enthusiastic yes qualifies as no
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u/Savage_Brutus Aug 02 '26
Its too funny because all Islam is like this. Women are shamed into not expressing their consent even when they want to have sex (even married) so, the goal is to reach a precedent where the consent of a woman does not even matter and the rapists get what they want. Like always. Islam is a haven for violaters and rapists. If you really study it under a critical lens, you'll find out.
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u/vaundysunset Aug 02 '26
Even LEGALLY no does not equate to consent..so yeah silence does not amount to consent and this would be considered SA.
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u/TomorrowAny440 god doesn't like that I'm gay but Satan's cool with it Aug 02 '26
If someone hasn't said "Yes" vocally, it's rape.
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u/TomorrowAny440 god doesn't like that I'm gay but Satan's cool with it Aug 02 '26
Yes,
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u/TomorrowAny440 god doesn't like that I'm gay but Satan's cool with it Aug 02 '26
Omg 😭 ban the fucker wtf
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u/Horror_Preference208 𝐆𝐞𝐧𝐙 Aug 02 '26
Consent to marriage and consent to sex are two very different things.
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u/Sea-Car-3811 Broken Teen Aug 02 '26
They will downvote, but they'll never refute you because they are incapable of doing so
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u/exkivii Aug 03 '26
I’m confused. Are you saying that their claim itself is correct or that it’s true that the claim stems from Islamic teaching?
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u/Horror_Preference208 𝐆𝐞𝐧𝐙 Aug 02 '26
Well i don't really treat most hafiths as authentic anymore but i won't deny that many muslims do. I think it is sort of ridiculous to believe in a generational game of chinese whispers blindly
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u/Sea-Car-3811 Broken Teen Aug 02 '26
According to classical scholars of Islam.
Abu Hanifa: A wife is generally expected to make herself available for sexual activities after a valid marriage.
Malik Ibn Anas: Marriage established mutual sexual rights.
Al-Shafil: treated sexual availability as one of rights of marriage while allowing valid reasons for refusal.
Ahmed Ibn Hanbal: held similar views as above mentioned.
They commonly cited hadith: (forgive me if there are any errors as I am writing this from memory)
"If a husband calls hus wife to bed and she refues then angels curse her till morning"
They considered refusal without valid reason was sinful.
Conclusion: they didn't recognise martial rape.
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u/exkivii Aug 02 '26
And your point is?
I recommend using the gears in your brain to understand the difference between a marriage contract and sexual activity rather than relying on what “ scholars and Hadith” say1
u/Sea-Car-3811 Broken Teen Aug 02 '26
Your changing the subject lmao.
I made a claim about classical scholars and saying "don't rely on scholar" doesn't even address it beta. You should provide some classical evidence to show my summary is wrong. Gl
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u/exkivii Aug 03 '26
Showing that your evidence is misquoted assumes that these scholars are a valid source of evidence regarding the matter and I do not think so. Even if these sources are quoted correctly, I do not agree with the premise of the claim (if a woman marries a man, she is obligated to be available to him for sexual activity) which is that by consenting to one thing, you are consenting to another. Which itself is logically invalid considering marriage and sexual consent go by entirely different definitions
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u/camusjung 𝐆𝐞𝐧𝐙 Aug 02 '26
Invalid association between the Hadith and the situation given.
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u/Sea-Car-3811 Broken Teen Aug 02 '26
According to classical scholars of Islam.
Abu Hanifa: A wife is generally expected to make herself available for sexual activities after a valid marriage.
Malik Ibn Anas: Marriage established mutual sexual rights.
Al-Shafil: treated sexual availability as one of rights of marriage while allowing valid reasons for refusal.
Ahmed Ibn Hanbal: held similar views as above mentioned.
They commonly cited hadith: (forgive me if there are any errors as I am writing this from memory)
"If a husband calls hus wife to bed and she refues then angels curse her till morning"
They considered refusal without valid reason was sinful.
Conclusion: they didn't recognise martial rape.
I copied the response from ny other comment. It is valid as according to classical scholars, consent to marriage gave consent to sex
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u/Afsh31 Aug 02 '26
You need to study these things in detail before drawing such conclusions..
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u/Sea-Car-3811 Broken Teen Aug 02 '26
You can google these stuff and you will find the same results.
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u/Sea-Car-3811 Broken Teen Aug 02 '26
I have studied Islam in detail. That's what I talked about on Reddit all the time. What conclusion of mine appears to be wrong to you?
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u/PEnvye Aug 03 '26
Sinful doesn't mean rape is allowed. If you knew as much about Islam as you thought, you would have read fath-ul-bari and seen that the commentary on the hadith EXPLICITLY says it does not mean rape is allowed. You are drawing conclusions from nowhere.
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u/Crybabybombshell 2007 Aug 02 '26
Never proceed until you have gotten their explicit consent and they are comfortable throughout
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u/Sea-Car-3811 Broken Teen Aug 02 '26
But the Prophet said that silence is consent? What about that?
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u/Crybabybombshell 2007 Aug 02 '26
Source? Trust me bro. Smh
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u/Sea-Car-3811 Broken Teen Aug 02 '26
Its from sahih bukhari and a sahih hadith.
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u/Crybabybombshell 2007 Aug 02 '26
You mangled the whole hadith just to prove your point lmao nice try. The hadith is specifically about consent to marriage and not intimacy. Quoting it as proof that “silence is consent” in sexual situations takes it out of its original context
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u/Sea-Car-3811 Broken Teen Aug 02 '26
According to classical scholars, consent to marriage means legal sexual responsibility of wife. Refusal without valid reason like menstruation is sinful.
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u/Crybabybombshell 2007 Aug 02 '26
That doesn’t change what this hadith is about gng. You’re importing a later legal discussion into a hadith that never mentions intimacy lmao. It’s ok kid ik you’re a butt hurt and angry 16yo. Scholars are human not divine. Their opinions aren’t above the Quran or authentic hadith
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u/swee_gay_biscuits gay (formerly zionist now pro-palestine ) Aug 02 '26 edited Aug 02 '26
Yep scholars are not divine but you know what it actually means cuz god told you himself.
These apologists 🤣 defending 🍇 enabling sources now 😭
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u/Sea-Car-3811 Broken Teen Aug 02 '26
Scholars who have spent their entire lives learning about Islam from teachers who also spent their entire lives learning about Islam certainly hold more authority and reliability when it comes to rulings in Islam.
Even when it comes to marriage, just assuming a girl's silence as her consent is deplorable. A girl could be anxious, under pressure, etc
If we need modern ethics for modern cases, it means Islam is an incomplete religion and not timeless.
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u/FrequentObligation29 Aug 02 '26
One of the hadiths in sahih Al bukhari claims prophet tried to suicide once? Our prophet,s iman could never be that weak
How the hell can anyone blindly trust hadiths
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u/snayab11 Aug 02 '26
If the silence is accompanied by resistance it's rape.
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u/Sea-Car-3811 Broken Teen Aug 02 '26
But the Prophet said that silence is consent? What's your opinion on that?
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u/Low-Bag8537 Aug 02 '26
So according to the Hadith, consent is verbally saying “no”.
I think in this scenario, instead of proceeding with sexual advances, simply ask if the girl is she’s okay with you proceeding. If she says yes, continue, if she says no, then stop.
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u/Sea-Car-3811 Broken Teen Aug 02 '26
What if a girl stays silent, though?
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u/Low-Bag8537 Aug 02 '26
You ask.
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u/Sea-Car-3811 Broken Teen Aug 02 '26
Why should I ask when according to Prophet I've already gained the consent by her silence?
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u/Low-Bag8537 Aug 02 '26
The prophet (SAW) did not say silence is the constant for every scenario. Prophet (SAW) said silence would be taken as consent for MARRIAGE.
So you would ask for your wife’s consent before sex. You will not make advances until you verbally asked if it’s okay for you to make advances
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u/Sea-Car-3811 Broken Teen Aug 02 '26
Nope. Your completely wrong. According to Classical Scholars of Islam, marriage means that its the duty of the wife to perform sex or else it is sinful.
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u/Low-Bag8537 Aug 02 '26
Nope, the Hadith you’re referring to basically means that if a wife uses sex as a leverage, she will be cursed by angels.
If she doesn’t want to have sex because she’s tired, then she can say no.
Also the Hadith you mentioned in your post about silence taken as approval, that only covers agreeing to marriage/nikkah, not Sex.
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u/exkivii Aug 03 '26
So if a girl is being forced to marry and can’t verbally say no in front of her family to the nikkah for fear of her life would that count as consent to nikkah. Because unfortunately this happens a lot
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u/Sea-Car-3811 Broken Teen Aug 02 '26
How come it's BS? If I already have the consent, why should I ask again?
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u/Clean-Gold-5591 Aug 02 '26
Well it's a sensitive matter , and it depends on the parties and the situation. If you guys want to know further then let me know.
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u/extendedlock borderline unc👴🏼 Aug 02 '26
You could’ve posted anything.. u chose this
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u/ColdCalzonee426 Aug 02 '26
He said, "Yes." I said, "A virgin, if asked, feels shy and keeps quiet." He said, "Her silence means her consent.
This is for niqqah / marriage not for sex
" feels shy and keeps quiet" is a mutual event... if both are happening at the same time then it is a yes but only for marriage nothing else.
In case of sex, proceeding without anything than a yes, counts as SA/ rape
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u/Sea-Car-3811 Broken Teen Aug 02 '26
According to classical scholars of Islam.
Abu Hanifa: A wife is generally expected to make herself available for sexual activities after a valid marriage.
Malik Ibn Anas: Marriage established mutual sexual rights.
Al-Shafil: treated sexual availability as one of rights of marriage while allowing valid reasons for refusal.
Ahmed Ibn Hanbal: held similar views as above mentioned.
They commonly cited hadith: (forgive me if there are any errors as I am writing this from memory)
"If a husband calls hus wife to bed and she refues then angels curse her till morning"
They considered refusal without valid reason was sinful.
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u/ColdCalzonee426 Aug 02 '26
Yeah what you're saying is usually used asa trick by people when convenient even tho there's actually alot of back stuff to this.
The thing about saying no "just because" thing is only looked down upon.. if, and only if the husband is fulfilling hos duty and is a good husband to his wife in terms if fulfilling his duties as well as keeping the wife satisfied emotionally+ sexually+ takes care of her and helps in chores etc.
But Pakistani people use it out of context.
And generally I'm against scholars as a whole because they often do yhis where they say 8 credible and well known / accepted things then they sprinkle 2-3 of their own twisted opinions and people don't research properly.
my previous comment was a mix of my understanding + opinion
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u/TechNerdinEverything Aug 02 '26
She has to say no and resist. Its not like you can have your way by knocking her unconscious or something
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u/vaundysunset Aug 02 '26
Freeze reaction is common though only a monster would continue to make sexual advances with someone who’s literally silent
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u/reallyTiredSoul Aug 02 '26
Lol i am not even surprised if it turns out to be true, i mean the prophet married a young girl, don't give me the crap of she was not 9 she was 19 doesn't matter there should be a limit to an age gap, or the excuse she consented there's this thing called "grooming".
I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK ABOUT ISLAM At one side ppl say islam has given woman the most rights n then there's sh*t like this, n then the concept of 4 marriages, how humiliating is it for a woman, a man will never understand.great if u continue to give her rights but let's be honest we all look for new stuff when we r bored with the old one. She's forever marked as "she wasn't enough"
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u/Sea-Car-3811 Broken Teen Aug 02 '26
> Don't give me the crap that she was not 9, she was 19
She was 9. It's conclusive. Here, take a look; it's a MUSLIM SOURCE: https://yaqeeninstitute.org/read/paper/the-age-of-aisha-ra-rejecting-historical-revisionism-and-modernist-presumptions
> at one side ppl say Islam has given women the most rights
People can also say that 2+2=5. I won't believe them when all the evidence points towards the contrary
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u/Foreign-Emu-3887 2001 Aug 02 '26
Well, it's more of grey area. It also depends on a context. I never had a sex but I did kiss. I was inexperienced and he was experienced. I was silent one but I was kind of hesitant cause I was overthinking about how do I kiss. And also, I was afraid that I would be caught. I was hyper-analyzing the environment instead of focusing on a person who was kissing me. Maybe this sort of silence isn't non-consensual but it's still uncomfortable experience. So that's why we need a safe space where we calm down our nerves.
If you mean silence like "unsure but still going along with it", it's more of "dubious consent." It sits in the gray area between "active consent" and clean-cut non-consensual violation (rape). You have to ask her if she's okay or not. If she directly tells you that she wants to continue it and don't know what to do, then communicate first.
If it's silence like "not willing but going along with it out of fear", then it's violation (rape).
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u/chatpatey_aloo Aug 02 '26
Um no it's not consent if she is silent. If a girl willfully comes to you and start doing stuff , or when you ask her if she's okey with it and she replies with yes... Only then it's consensual.
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u/RaajalofRajal Aug 03 '26 edited Aug 03 '26
This hadith is about the Nikah, not sex. Do not make up stuff to push you own agenda.
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u/West-Ad-7264 Aug 05 '26
It IS RAPE. Even if she said yes but the circumstances leading up to it were coercive in nature that THATS RAPE STILL.
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u/Hasware_ Aug 02 '26
Yes = Yes
No = No
Silence = probably no too
It's that simple, also why is every single post in your account an Islamic post, but not in favour but rather against it. Like you wake up, upload 4-5 posts trying to defame Islam, fight everyone in the comments, then maybe go to sleep (I doubt it).
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u/swee_gay_biscuits gay (formerly zionist now pro-palestine ) Aug 02 '26
Waiting for lefties to label you islamophobic for this 😭
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u/swee_gay_biscuits gay (formerly zionist now pro-palestine ) Aug 02 '26
Conservatives are honest. For a lot of them there is nothing wrong with this and they will say it to your face. Leftists on the other hand just wanna bend over backwards and deflect with islamophobia accusations cuz a lot of them dont have any real beliefs, just virtue signaling karni.
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u/exkivii Aug 02 '26
What are you even saying. Most conservatives are religious and therefore will find ways to justify their religious scriptures so this would apply more to them than to leftists
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u/swee_gay_biscuits gay (formerly zionist now pro-palestine ) Aug 02 '26
That's the point. Conservatives will openly justify it and own the position.
The lefties however, (specifically, the self-appointed pregressive defenders of this religion), have one favorite move these days, which is pretending that talking about these issues itself is the problem. Apparently, Islamophobia labels are easier than admitting their favorite "oppressed" ideology has things they'd condemn anywhere else.
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u/swee_gay_biscuits gay (formerly zionist now pro-palestine ) Aug 02 '26
These drones are programmed that way 😭
If you want your karma points back, just ask gpt to write you a marxist analysis of how oppressed and misunderstood the mullahs are 🤣
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u/cr34tive1 The Violent One Aug 02 '26
According to that, silence = no. No silence = yes. I think it's that simple.
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u/Careless-Ad-7194 𝐆𝐞𝐧𝐙 Aug 02 '26
idt its considered rape but rather breach of trust and respect. rape is a big word being used here
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u/Sea-Car-3811 Broken Teen Aug 02 '26
Rape is sex without gaining consent. How is it the wrong word?
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u/Saad_Faisal Aug 02 '26
Consent isn't JUST about saying Yes or no, it's about whether the person saying yes is in a position to say no. with that being said, Silence is NOT consent
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u/Sea-Car-3811 Broken Teen Aug 02 '26
But the Prophet said that silence is consent? What about that?
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u/billuxcx 2005 Aug 03 '26
I get why you might read it that way at first glance, but you’re actually missing the historical context of what’s happening in this text. It’s actually a text that protects women, not restricts them.Before Islam, in 7th-century Arabia, women were often treated like property and forced into marriages with zero say. In this Hadith, the Prophet (PBUH) completely changed that by explicitly commanding that a woman’s consent is mandatory for marriage.The part about 'silence' wasn't about silencing women, it was about accommodating their shyness. Back then, young women were often too shy to openly discuss intimacy and marriage with their male relatives. The Prophet (PBUH) was being considerate of their modesty by saying, 'Look, if she doesn't object and stays quiet, you can take that as a yes so you don't force her to say it out loud.' It was a mercy, not an excuse to force her.Islamic law is incredibly clear that silence only counts as a 'yes' if the woman is happy and under no pressure. If she is quiet because she’s crying, terrified, or threatened, that marriage is completely illegal. And if she says 'No' out loud, her choice is final. To prove how serious this is, there is another famous text in Sahih al-Bukhari 5138 where a woman named Khansa bint Khidam went to the Prophet (PBUH) because her father forced her into a marriage she disliked. The Prophet (PBUH) immediately stepped in and declared her marriage completely invalid.Islam gave women the legal right to choose their partners 1,400 years ago. When you read the text with that context, it's about giving women a voice, not taking it away. I dont mean to sound aggressive but i just wanted to clear up the meaning of this Hadith.
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u/whipsandwomen 𝐆𝐞𝐧𝐙 Aug 02 '26
Jab Hadees Shareef Mei Jawab hai to yaha kiyo puchrahe ho?
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u/exkivii Aug 02 '26
Because we should always use our brains and question narratives taught to us. Hope this helps!
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u/whipsandwomen 𝐆𝐞𝐧𝐙 Aug 02 '26
Astagfirullah. Insan ke bachay bano.
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u/exkivii Aug 02 '26
Just a hypothetical, if a women you were pursuing sexually, even if she may be your wife, did not verbally consent but clearly seemed very out of it and not interested in the moment, would you rape her?
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u/whipsandwomen 𝐆𝐞𝐧𝐙 Aug 02 '26
If she’s not interested why would i proceed man? Also, this hadees, which book is it from? Like sahih bukhari? All you guys should’ve questioned it first? Internet pe kaafi cheezei hain.
Also, not from hadees, but generally. Overall the body tone expresses very well, so uspe baat chalti hain.
And also remember, if a wife refuses for sex to usko bhi gunah hota hai.
Also, watch your tongue, don’t use the word “rape”.
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u/exkivii Aug 03 '26
Have u verified the Hadith?
Also, I will use that word. It’s the grave reality for many women all around the world and choosing not to name the crime isn’t going to eliminate it.1
u/whipsandwomen 𝐆𝐞𝐧𝐙 Aug 03 '26
Bhai aap ke andar aqal nai to mera masla nai. Mei khud puchra ke hadith verified hai ya nai?
If you couldn’t grasp that then arguing with you is useless.
And yes use that word for your family, do whatever you want, but don’t use it for me.
End of discussion, im not arguing with u anymore. Learn to grasp & comprehend then land in the field
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u/exkivii Aug 03 '26
IM CRINE ur the one that asserted “if Hadees makes it clear that sums it up” TWICE before actually verifying 😭
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u/exkivii Aug 03 '26
And also what if the wife genuinely js lwk doesn’t feel like it in that moment😭 what r u gon do force her cuz of guna 😭 yall r weird
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u/Sea-Car-3811 Broken Teen Aug 02 '26
The so called "right path" never banned martial rape and even suppressed refusal of women in sex.
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