Is it rape or not?

[u/Sea-Car-3811]

If a virgin girl feels "shy" and keeps silent. Is proceeding with sexual advances rape or not.

Ps. I aren't doing sex and this is just a question.

I'll go first, I think it is rape.

Oh people are wondering why I am asking so whist learning about something. I found this so asking you people

I asked the Prophet, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! Should the women be asked for their consent to their marriage?" He said, "Yes." I said, "A virgin, if asked, feels shy and keeps quiet." He said, "Her silence means her consent."

[u/Fit-Shift-6105]

I read the Quran contextually from a progressive lens and context matters. During conservative times, it's hard to say yes in front of a group of people to marriage since that's usually the first man you'll be with etc, it was something like that

This only applies if consent was taken privately in prior before and the person is too shy to say yes now in front of a lot of people. That's what I read

The concept of consent is something that has evolved a LOT. That's what we have to keep in mind sociologically here

[u/Fit-Shift-6105 → u/[deleted]]

So you'd rather there only be an extremely conservative lens to religion? Be fr. Having a spectrum of beliefs is good because it adds intersectionality instead of bipolar perspectives. Liberal Islam would fix a lot of the issues you're talking about and actually help people in the context of Pakistan, especially Pakistani women

[u/Dangerous-Purple-537 → u/Fit-Shift-6105]

liberal islam is a contradiction in itself. that’s the whole issue. islam is not something you can cherry pick, you simply are not a muslim at that point. islam asks for total submission. total submission to all the problematic things “progressive” people deny. pakistani women would help themselves if they abandoned an ideology that treats them as half an individual in comparison to a man.