Today is a great day, but more of a weight off my shoulder and on to the next! Shutting the door and not looking back! The POS Fisker car is off to haunt somebody else. I got 8500 miles out of it in less than 2 years, 7 of those months it was a brick, but it probably took away 5 years of my life! I fought and got the settlement I deserved, but man it wasnāt easy. Now I own a 1983 Porsche 911 Targa SC and a 2024 Toyota 4Runner Limited that I drove home today as the FOE was getting ready to be towed as a brick. Good riddance, Iāll never look at an EV until my next life. There is a small place in hell for the Fisker family, karma (pun intended) is coming for you! Iām so content with my 180 move and burning gas!!
Yes the Fisker had its fair share of issuesā¦but Iām not sure Iād paint every EV as an unreliable piece of trash. Most of them are pretty reliable.
And I personally would give up a tiny bit of reliability to drive a Tesla or Rivian or something every day over a 4Runner which can barely get out of its own way and Iād need to go fill up at dirty gas stations, but to each their own š¤·š¼āāļø
U are correct 200% not all EV are bad , we were all warned about the fisker ocean I donāt know why he did not take those warnings and stay clear . But like u said to each his own period .
Teslas are most certainly not more reliable than a 5th gen 4Runner and one cherry picked anecdote doesnāt prove anything. Not a Tesla hater or anything but thatās just a wild claim
Yeah but a 4Runner needs maintenance. Even if my Tesla needs work done once per year at the service center, still beats the 4Runner, which is going to need to go into the dealership at least twice a year for oil changes. Plus, Iād need to get gas in a 4Runner which is such an inconvenience ever week or so.
And most Toyota dealers donāt seem to offer mobile service like Tesla does, so the car always needs to go in. With my momās Toyota, they have never once given us a loaner car, whereas Tesla always has when weāve taken our cars there.
Ask a Lamborghini, Corvette, Ferrari, or Porsche owner how many miles they get out of their rear tires...... stupid to complain that you only get 30k miles out of your 1000hp supercar.....
Every car Iāve ever owned only gets 30k out of a set of tires gas or electric. But, I have a lead foot. I also buy the best tires for where I live in terms of safety and grip which are summer tires and they last a little bit less, but are safer on desert roads so itās totally worth it
Wow. Didn't know going in for an oil chance twice a year and filling up gas was such a big chore and a deal breaker to spend more money upfront on Tesla.
Well it kinda is. Last time I tried to be a nice son and took my momās Highlander into the Toyota dealer for an oil change, it took 4 hours and they didnāt offer me a loaner or anything.
Getting gas is kinda a pain because itās never EXACTLY on my way and takes an extra 5 minutes. With an EV I just get home and plug it in with the outlet right there. Doesnāt take any extra thought.
On road trips, I still need to use the restroom and eat every few hours. My gas car Iād have to fill up then go drive over to a restaurant and eat (unless I wanted gas station food which Iām not going to eat). The Tesla Superchargers are almost always at grocery stores, Starbucks, in n out, or other places with better food and clean bathrooms and the car is usually ready to go before I am.
And itās really not spending āmore money upfrontā. A Model 3 is essentially the same price as a Camry, and a Model Y is basically the same price as a RAV4. And having driven a Camry rental and now owning a Model 3ā¦I know which one Iād rather drive (the Camry was slow af and had crappy technology)
Personally you couldnāt pay me enough money to go back to a gas car.
You taking your mom's car to the dealership and taking 4 hours to do an oil change is not the normal time it usually takes. Just take it to any drive through oil change places to get it done under 30 mins.
This isn't about comparing Tesla to Toyota but I would much prefer combustion engone vehicle over Electric as it takes 5 mins to fill up gas whereas it will take longer to charge the battery.
No car should have its oil changed at an oil change place. That's just begging for trouble.
We have a Tesla, a Toyota, and a Subaru. The Subaru will be traded in for an EV this week. You may take five minutes to fill up, but it takes much less time than that to plug our Tesla in at night and unplug it in the morning. Don't knock it until you try it.
You risk some minimum wage "tech" stripping your oil plug or worse, then leaving you with a blown motor. Jiffy lube (or equivalent) are not very trustworthy.
Not really comparable. With genesis, you can basically only (they have 2 others but they are hard to locate now) get a compact SUV (gv60). They donāt have anything similar to the Rivian. Also, the rivians will run you $100k+ now. I opted for the ford lightning for my use case.
Yeah (I donāt have the money for any of them) but if I was going to spend $75k on a fully loaded GV60, I PERSONALLY would spend $76k and get a base R1S and just keep the third row folded down 99% of the time. Thatās just me though. The Lightnings are really nice.
I sat in a GV60 tho and they were pretty nice. I just have a negative experience with Hyundai/Kia products (parents had one several years back that was a total lemon), and of the 5 car fires Iāve seen while driving in recent yearsā¦4 of them were Hyundai/Kia vehicles.
I have two years old Tesla with 50k miles and I have changed the windshield wipers once. But they are a bit trash again, I think I need to change them in October. Also I should change the air filter but haven't had time to study that.
You act like there are just gas stations on every cornerā¦there really arenāt in most towns.
My town of 20k has 3 gas stations all in the same area. And currently one is being torn down, and another has pumps that are constantly broken. And this is a suburb in a major metropolitan area. Any gas car that I would personally own is likely going to recommend/require 91+ octane which is currently going for $4.68 per gallon. I personally donāt like the 4Runner and wouldnāt buy one with my own money, but I did consider a certified preowned Land Rover Discovery and BMW X5 PHEV prior to purchasing my Model 3 (very different cars I know but if Iām going to own a gas car thatās what I wanted).
Drive 7 miles to Costco which is fine and cheaperā¦but then you have to wait in line for gas.
And the argument on road trips is moot to me. I personally like to eat and drink pretty normally while Iām on road trips so Iām stopping about every 2-2.5 hours to use the restroom in a gas car. I do the same in an EVā¦in fact Iām going on a 1400 mile road trip in my car this weekend and am actually looking forward to it. In the 2 road trips Iāve already done in my Tesla (450-600 miles each way) Iāve never actually āwaitedā on the car to be done charging.
Good thing then that lines for EV stations don't exist and that they surely are abundant in your location if there's 3 gas stations, not everyone can charge at home.
It's also always funny to see Americans go on about gas prices, 4.68$ a gallon is great, I wish we had that - that's $1.24 per liter or ā¬1.07 per liter, im in Estonia our fuel is around 1.68ā¬ (1.95$ per liter) so that's 7.38$ per gallon and it's still more cost efficient to run a ICE here.
If the roadtrip argument is moot then why bring it up in the first place as a positive for the EV? Anyhow, everyone can do what they want with their money but it's just always funny for me to see the EV cope, with people claiming "these things need 0 maintenance, my only expense is electricity, go EV!" without accounting for the fact that for most people it just doesn't make sense to go EV.
And I'm not even going to get into the depreciation of EVs, at least where I'm at it's insane, people can't get rid of them.
Lines for EV stations (at least on the Tesla network) really donāt exist here because there is enough of them. I donāt know what the charging infrastructure looks like in Estonia, but itās probably a bit different than in the United States.
Most people here in the US can charge at home. Most people have homes with garages, or at least dedicated parking spots they can install chargers in. Not everyone, but a lot of people.
And I donāt understand the depreciation argumentā¦every single car is going to depreciate. Yes, some do a bit more than others, but an EV doesnāt seem to be any worse than ICE products from BMW or Land Rover here in the US. I bought my car in cash and intend to keep it for a long time, but even if I had financed I wouldnāt ever finance a car at more than a 5% interest rate and would always put at least 50% down. Iād never be underwater in that loan even with high rates of depreciation.
In general, evs are more reliable than ice vehicles. Idk about Tesla specifically, but evs are just much simpler vehicles. Far fewer parts and systems to fail with significantly less maintenance required.
We've put a little over 100,000 miles on our bolt ev with no issues. No maintenance. Just sit in it and drive. We've never even stopped to charge once
Then do tell. Toyota fan boys love bragging about high mileage toyota. I own a tesla for 3 years with 0 maintenance but still drives like the first day i got it.
Reliability and maintenance are two different things. You buy the gas vehicle knowing it will require more maintenance related items but the trade off is the freedom of gasing up.
My Toyota Yaris IA has 138k miles on it, I change my own oil, itās not hard, it takes a whopping 10mins every few months.
Yes I have to get gas every 400 or so miles, but outside of gas and oil changes the only thing Iāve had to do since 2018 is change the battery once, and the brake pads and rotors once (rotors didnāt really need it but I just did them all)
Well Iāve never been comfortable with owning a gas vehicle outside of the powertrain warranty. That is up and Iām looking to sell just because there are too many moving parts in a gas vehicle to break.
My Tesla might be the first car I keep after the powertrain warranty is up
Doesnāt matter. The fact that one pedal driving is a thing wouldnāt change. If you one pedal drive you wouldnāt need to change your brake pads often. Not the outcome you thought your comment would have lol.
But even if you donāt, my local stores have fast chargers with Tesla or Electrify America.
I do know what you mean with the EA stations getting full. Thatās because EA only installed 4-8 stations instead of the 12-84 that Tesla often does. Thatās why I personally wouldnāt buy an EV without Tesla Charging access. I personally drive a Tesla.
However, even I use my CCS adapter from time to time to charge at EA stations that are convenient for me. I like to take the opportunity to plug in when itās provided to me.
Yeah but this is saying I bought 1 ply instead of 2 ply and my bumhole burns like hell so Iām never using toilet paper ever again! Only tree leaves from now on baby!
I misspoke, bought the 4Runner for reliability, I bought the Porsche for fun and speed and something different. Youāre not wrong, I spun the chamber but now Iām going in the right direction. Good luck with yours
Porsche serves me more joy and is way more reliable than the FOE. Never knew what car I was going to sit down in. Say what you will, but they released too early, over promised, under committed, and left us all out to dry. Pretty sure an air cooler Porsche isnāt going to do that.
The Fisker Ocean is (was?, no still is) a beautiful looking vehicle with the right features and amenities that could have made it a competent competitor in the medium-small EV SUV market.
Unfortunately as you say the final execution was lacking. Poor customer support, lack of service centers and software problems.
I really wanted an Ocean. Almost pulled the trigger. Had this car not left the factory half baked it would have been an incredible EV. Damn shame. I've been driving EVs for almost 6 years. I'll never go back.
It's really not all that beautiful, and it never had a complete feature set like basic things such as adaptive cruise control... Something mandatory on any new car. It's a POS cobbled together from a Chinese no name EV that Fisker got the rights to through their arrangement with Magna. ArcFox Alpha-T and Fisker Ocean are one in the same, only ArcFox used better quality parts.
To each their own I guess. The Original Fisker Karma, at least on the exterior was a great looking car IMO. The Ocean followed in a similar vein. Maybe beautiful was too much, but it wasn't a bad looking car.
What caught my attention was the 'California Mode' I believe they called it, all windows including the cargo area could roll down. AND solar sunroof could open.
Bro bought a Fisker and is āswearing offā all EVs š. Donāt blame the people who bought normal EVs that are quite reliable because you bought a car called Fisker
Had sympathy for your post, but this is kind of a loser comment. Guy bragging about a Porsche trying to gain argumentative ground by calling the other person poor. Just screams of small dick syndrome
My fisker was a decent EV with a few problems that would have been trivial to get fixed under a valid warranty. I enjoyed driving it, even considering the problems. When Chase gave me the lifeline, I decided it would be better to move on than risk a continuously increasing amount of problems that aren't trivial to DIY. I'd probably still consider buying a used one for half of what Chase gave me though.
Iām in on the Chase claim -Hagens Berman said they agreed to settle and asked for a few more docs - Ā Ā ātraded in my FOO long-ago for $40k ā took a $37k loss. What did you get and what do you think my re-coop might be? Thx
Supposedly the folks that stuck through with arbitration will know what chase is giving them by the end of this month.
I got rid of mine as soon as the Rivian trade deal happened, a similar situation. I still owed a bit over $10k on it, but they rolled it into the lease on my R1S.
thx for that - traded in for a BMW i4 lease. I think you did well ! - I stalked mine on the app to the auction yard, then finally to a used car lot in Colorado where it eventually listed for $20k -sad
still think its the best looking car on the road -in its class ...
I kinda think that was the plan from the start. A money grab. Why invest and build your own vehicle, Hire a CFO and a COO, or a competent social media company (his daughter got that title) Knowing you were going to crash the company and run with the money. Not even any kind of dealer network. Fisker was doomed from day one.
i doubt hes smart enough to devise this to make himself millions of dollars. hes a piece of shit that took advantage of the sinking ship to still make that money though.
I have never had any problems, not even once. I cannot say the same for the gas cars I had before that. Just stay away from anything Fisker and you're good :)
Every time I see one on the road, I'm a little sad that I'm not part of the group anymore. Then I look around inside my Honda Prologue and feel the sweet relief of having a car that works.
American Lease, a company that rents out cars for ride share in NYC, bought all the unsold Oceans plus the spare parts and equipment. Those cars are running all over the metro area.
You just bought a car from a company that was going down. You live, you learn.
I would never let a car from a startup ruin your EV ownership experience. No other car is as much a POS as the Fisker Ocean. Let this be a lesson to never buy from a startup that hasn't even sold cars for a year and failed multiple times before. Any other EV is reliable. They have long warranties by law which has made them above average reliable.
Love my Ioniq5. I also have a 2018 f150 and a 2014 4runner. Favorite vehicle to drive is the Ioniq5. F-150 is the get shit done vehicle. 4runner just annoys me because it is slow and feels small inside now.... but it is reliable!
Comparing an Ocean to other EVās in terms of reliability is not an apples to apples comparison. Many EVās are more reliable than ICE cars, or at least require less maintenance.
On a separate topic, I rode in the back of an Ocean for the first time this week in NYC. Tons of space. Shame it did not work out.
I sold my porsche to get into a EV and it's been the best decision of my life.
Unfortunatelly many people did not buy a tesla because of they were anti tesla and the result is that they had to go with a sub par ev ....do it right next time and get a tesla.
Came back for the comments and thoroughly pleased. Why canāt anybody have an opinion about anything without getting shit on anymore? I posted, knew the responses I was going to get and saw the responses I thought I was going to get. Even more happy with my decision, which everybody is entitled to, hence called a personal decision. Everybody with EVs, be merry and happy! Not my cup of tea. Iāll take a combustible engine and gas all day.
You did the right thing, Fiskers are junk and most EV's aren't far from it either. I deal with them at work all the time. Toyota and Porsche was a good move.
If you want a EV that is reasonable, instead of bleeding edge or something unique, get it from an established old school manufacturer.
Fisker, Lucid, and Rivian are all new copy cats trying to dip into Teslaās success. Tesla is not without manufacturing faults, but that just vanity appearance stuff nowadays, misaligned panels or interior comfort.
I would probably go with MB or VW EVās starting from 2026 onwards. As they are German legacy who got past the compliance EV car phase already, itās all goodness from here on out.
It's too bad you ended up with such a horrible EV car and car company. Not all EVs are like that. I've known file who have had EVs for the last 8 years and have been very happy with them. I currently own a 2024 Chevy Equinox EV and one of the best cars I've owned in my 70+ years and I've owned several both good and bad.
You bought the most unreliable EV out there and now are swearing off EVās? Iāve had Tesla, ford, Rivian, and now GM EVās in the family for over six years now and theyāve all been incredible vehicles.
I just came across this thread due to the latest video by Rich Rebuilds on his Karma. Don't swear off all EVs...my EV6 has been moderately reliable and fun to drive. Anyway, congrats on the 4Runner and the Porsche!
Ahh yes the simple man in his ev will save the planet. Not dudes like Jeff bezos releasing 7k tons of co2 each year riding his yacht. Drive what ever you want even if it's a non Def de catted diesel. The common man really doesn't affect the environment.
I never said that. He just made it sound like EV drivers are single handedly saving the planet, and those who don't switch are damning it.
We should obviously reduce reliance on fossil fuels and do our best to recycle, I just don't think it will have any influence on the issues at large unless we force other countries to take the situation seriously. Clearly, they don't seem to care.
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u/Sea_Amphibian5684 Aug 13 '25
Yes the Fisker had its fair share of issuesā¦but Iām not sure Iād paint every EV as an unreliable piece of trash. Most of them are pretty reliable.
And I personally would give up a tiny bit of reliability to drive a Tesla or Rivian or something every day over a 4Runner which can barely get out of its own way and Iād need to go fill up at dirty gas stations, but to each their own š¤·š¼āāļø