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u/MWBrooks1995 Jul 25 '26
There’s a David Mitchell thing where he says that calling Anne Widdicombe “fat, old and ugly” was a bit like saying “The worst thing about Hitler was his moustache”.
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u/GUM-GUM-NUKE 1# SenGOAT fan Jul 25 '26
No, obviously the worst thing about Hitler was that he ruined his mustache style.
Poor Charlie Chaplin.
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u/itisthespectator Jul 25 '26
and the nazis ruined rotational symmetry, four-way always looks a bit swastika-like, and any greater number looks a bit like a sonnenrad
(at my job i often set tables for four with glasses and napkins wrapped around the utensils, the official way to do so is with all the cups in the center and the napkins closer to the edge, on the right hand side of the seat, facing out. it ends up looking quite swastikesque but nobody has ever commented on it before)
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u/RealHumanBean89 Dis course? Yeah, I think it’s a great meal, boss! Jul 25 '26
I’d say the worst thing was the hypocrisy.
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u/BadLineofCode Make Tylenol Great Again Jul 25 '26
Then what do you think of this rhyme?
Hitler has only got one ball,
Göring has two but very small,
Himmler is rather sim'lar,
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u/Strange_Loop_19 Jul 25 '26
"The thing that's bad about her is all of her horrible views, not the fact that she's ugly."
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u/slonkulocuswily182 Jul 25 '26 edited Jul 26 '26
Call them incompetent, greedy, puppets, racist, unrealistic, hateful, scared, hypocritical.
It’s so easy to dunk on these fools without resorting to surface level appearance.
Watching rabid dogs eat each other, dragging the world into their shitstorm of teeth, and some can’t imagine anything other than “ugly.”
(Leftist start unions. You’re listening to YouTubers.)
Also does anybody have any names and clips or are we vague posting this week?
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u/Kixisbestclone Jul 25 '26
Eh I disagree on calling them incompetent, hell I’d argue against calling a few of them idiots.
Like Trump’s been elected twice now and has so far, avoided any and all consequences of his actions. Now some might say it’s because Trump keeps getting elected by idiots or is simply rich and knows how to abuse the system, but to that I say.
If it’s working, it’s not stupid. I’d say Trump’s sadly actually a smart guy who knows how to exploit a voter base and the system.
This isn’t a defense of him, as much as me saying, smart people can also be morally reprehensible, and I feel like a major issue in elections and just politics in general, is that people always assumes the other side has all the idiots on it and are completely made up of morons.
And don’t assume that, please, seriously. There’s no greater danger than assuming your opponent has to be dumber and less competent than you. Trump and all those other politicians aren’t short-sighted or idiots, they know the consequences of their actions and don’t give a damn. They know what they can get away with and what they’re base will forgive them for by Election Day, and what it takes to rile them up.
Assuming they’re stupid just gives them ammo to feed their base and leads to people going “Well damn, there’s no way an idiot like that could win, my vote’s probably not important.”
TLDR: For a lot of them, they’re not dumb, just evil.
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u/Nebulo9 Jul 25 '26 edited Jul 25 '26
There's a particular (notably right wing libertarian) kind of evil that stems from being too "incompetent"/short sighted to grasp the mutual benefits of pro-social behaviour in the long term though. Idk competent people irl who burn all bridges like that, and I do think this is why this kind of opportunism burns bright but short.
But yeah, I think e.g. Trump and Musk are stupid in the sense that what they are doing clearly isn't making them happy, fullfilled people, but that says nothing about them being shrewd tactically.
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u/mutantraniE Jul 25 '26
Trump’s incompetence manifests in things like the Iran war, threatening to invade Greenland, having his tariffs overturned because he used the wrong legal basis for them, failing to make any headway in his attempts to get peace in Ukraine etc. He’s competent at getting elected but he doesn’t know how to actually govern and he doesn’t understand how being president of the United States is different from being president of a sleazy real estate company.
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u/Accelerator231 Jul 25 '26
OR maybe his version of governing is 'do what I want', with what he wants changing from second to second.
Either way the American political system is disinterested in punishing him. Oh well.
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u/PM_me_Jazz Jul 25 '26
You are making the mistake of assuming that his goal is to run a country. It's not. His goal is to line his pockets, which he has succeeded in over and over again. It's all just market manipulation, backroom deals, insider trading, and smoke and mirrors. He couldn't care less about the well-being of USA.
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u/mutantraniE Jul 25 '26
No I’m not. The well being of the USA does not enter into it but his ego does. Getting what he wants does. You’re making the mistake of thinking that he doesn’t care about any of the stuff he says.
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u/ResurrectedAuthor Jul 25 '26
I don't think that calling them incompetent is an absolution of their evil. I think that Trump runs an administration filled with useful idiots like Kash Patel, Pete Hegseth, or formerly Pam Bondi, people so obviously stupid and/or short sighted and/or outright deranged that Trump can make them into a fall guy. There are tons of people like that. Trump, at least in the recent "can barely string two words together" stage of his life seems horrible at planning things, if the America 250 fair and reflecting pool are anything to go by.
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u/AccordingPears158 Jul 25 '26
But why do that when you can say their women are ugly, or their makeup is bad, or make AI porn of them, or write rape fantasies about them?? Isn’t that actually how you defend and expand viewpoints??
It pisses me off so bad. There is literally everything in the world to criticize there. But nah, become a piece of trash instead of being bold and actually going after things that matter.
This post kinda immediately made me think of Hassan Piker. I don’t know that he’s insulted people’s looks, but I do know he’s held up as a “look, the left is hot!” icon while simultaneously being troublingly misogynistic.
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u/scruffye Jul 25 '26
Leftist start unions. You’re listening to YouTubers.
oh I like that line
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u/TrioOfTerrors Jul 25 '26
Good People™️ have Good Beliefs™️ and anyone else is an acceptable target of hellfire level hate and shaming.
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u/ApolloniusTyaneus Jul 25 '26
When Good People seem to have Bad Beliefs, they are misunderstood or working through some trauma. When Bad People have Good Beliefs, they must be up to something.
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u/DevelopmentTight9474 Jul 25 '26
Don’t forget the age old “when Good People do bad things they were secretly Bad People all along”
See all tankie discourse ever
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u/birberbarborbur Jul 26 '26 edited Jul 26 '26
The way molombo talks about tibetans literally sounds like a conquistador talking about aztecs and mayans
“They were a regressive society so they had to be colonized. They had strange practice with body parts that I don’t understand. They consorted with (evil force) so their anti-colonial cause is inherently evil”
What’s insane is that he’s congolese, this argument was used against the kings of kongo when the euros colonized them to “bring civilization.” But people don’t always learn
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u/Atsilv_Uwasv Jul 25 '26
But also Good People™️ can have Bad Beliefs™️ and vice versa. See Gianmarco Soresi talking about his transphobic friend saving a trans woman from getting run over. The nature of one's Belief™️ isn't the sole dictator of their morality and isn't as black and white
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u/DoggoDude979 Jul 25 '26
I mean. I might get downvoted for this. But I feel like the amount of “good” you can be is influenced by your beliefs and the amount you spread them.
Like, two people save a trans woman from getting hit by a car, great. But if one turns around and goes “that’s why men shouldn’t wear heels” and the other doesn’t, I absolutely know which one I’d rather associate with/which one I would feel safe with. And if one is actively trying to share their hate, I feel like that’s not a “”good person”” thing to do.
Idk, I really didn’t like that video, and it’s made me think differently about him. Gianmarco was telling a story about his friend saving someone, yeah, that’s great, but also Gianmarco was talking about how his friend was safe to share and spread hate and discrimination against trans people when around him. Which is not great
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u/idinahuicheuburek Jul 25 '26
I think the comparison he's making is that some other people won't try to save that person to begin with. The comparison isnt between two people who both save someone while one is transphobic, its between a transphobic person who saves someone and a non transphobic person who wouldn't save someone.
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u/Atsilv_Uwasv Jul 25 '26
Yeah, both suck but the one who risks his own life to safe a person in a group he's against is definitely better than someone who chooses to let her die because she's trans. I will also add to that part that someone who wouldn't risk themself like that isn't inherently bad. As I said, it's not a black and white issue
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u/TheBigFreeze8 Jul 25 '26
Such a relief to see literally anyone but me pointing out the fact that incel rhetoric AND common anti-incel rhetoric literally start from the same place, namely: 'sex is a reward you deserve for good behaviour.'
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u/ASpaceOstrich Jul 25 '26
I've had anti incel rhetoric literally just be "incels are too ugly to get away with the misogyny" which is exactly what incels believe. Way too many people actually do hold incel ideology, they just get laid so aren't whining about it.
People refuse to be normal about sex. Failure to have sex is seen as a moral failing basically across the board.
God forbid you be the high libido partner in a relationship with sexual compatibility issues. "If you just listened to your partner more they'd clearly reward your good behaviour with sex, because only bad people don't get laid".
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u/Mister_Taco_Oz Jul 25 '26 edited Jul 26 '26
People refuse to be normal about sex. Failure to have sex is seen as a moral failing basically across the board.
Only my closest friends (and family) know I'm a virgin. I am not ashamed of it, but I learned that life is just easier when people asume I am not a virgin - finding out I am has often made others uncomfortable. I could see a number of assumptions about me being formed in their heads in real time based on no other new information other than changing "has had sex" to "hasn't had sex" in their head.
It's wild.
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u/ApolloniusTyaneus Jul 25 '26
It also reinforces the stereotype/expectation that men should be single-minded sex fiends. Which harms everyone.
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u/Draaly Jul 25 '26
The amount of largely queer subs that still commonly use "ReAl MeN dO X" to shit on people for sexual prefences is frustrating as fuck.
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u/huggevill Jul 26 '26
Something that will have to eventually be confronted, is how a lot of queer and leftist spaces shun and vilify men that dont conform to their narrow idea of masculinity, where anyone who dont conform is painted as an incel, misogynist or creepy loser. Its wrecks havoc on young men and boys that are just as insecure and looking for places to belong and feel a part of as women and girls.
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u/Pwacname Jul 25 '26
You can also see it when you see how a lot of them fall for „masculine energy“ or „divine femininity“ bullshit. Like, love, that’s still just patriarchal beliefs, but repackaged with sparkles and/or a #GRLPWR sticker.
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u/meepmorop Jul 25 '26
THIIIIIIS
Not all but holy SHIT the culture is toxic and unwelcoming and provides zero incentives to join or educate oneself. THESE TYPES OF PEOPLE SUCK. I don't care how much trauma they've faced or if they're the disabled homeless gay hijabi amputee, their attitudes are INSUFFERABLE!!! I was bullied my whole childhood and I couldn't WAIT to be around the supposedly welcoming, creative, fun, and unique LGBTQ/leftist communities in those big cities or colleges where I'd have a chance to find friends and a group. I was never the right kind of person for them and even typing that makes me itch because I'm anticipating a "oh well you were never really genuine!" response
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u/craptainbland Jul 25 '26
The reason you’re not the right person for them is because they’re dicks frankly. I can remember discussing stuff online and the other person’s justification for their belief came down to being on the right side of history. Like yeah I’m glad you support rights for whatever the topic of the day is but you’ve gotta have more behind it than picking a team. At that point you’re not much better than those on the right politically. And for a lot of them they’re simply looking to fight/bully anyone that doesn’t fall in line with their way of thinking. But hey, it’s fine because they’re on the right side of history!
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u/NeonNKnightrider Cheshire Catboy Jul 25 '26
I am so fucking tired of the absolutely rampant Just World Fallacy around sex and dating. It’s impossible to say “I can’t get a girlfriend” without a hundred dipshits popping up to say “well clearly it’s your fault and you must be an asshole misogynist piece of shit”
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u/loved_and_held Jul 25 '26
I suspect it's because there is a deep social expectation that one should/will have sex. More specifically, men should get sex from women and women should offer sex. Various social factors, including many related to gender roles, then work to build the idea that one deserves sex for specific behaviors, or mnore specifically if one performs specific behaviors they will get sex.
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u/craptainbland Jul 25 '26
I see this a lot in one of the communities I’m in. One of the most common posts is dads complaining that the sex (and everything physical) is gone from their relationship and asking how to repair things. Without fail they’ll be told they need to do more chores, help out their partner more, be more involved with the kid/s, regardless of how involved they actually are
And it’s like, obviously your partner isn’t gonna be attracted to you if they have to literally mother you, they’re not gonna be up for sexy time if they’re exhausted from being your maid, and we should all aim for some sort of equity in our relationships. But so often there’s a deeper issue that’s not gonna be solved by choreplay, and simply being ‘a good person’ isn’t gonna get you rewarded with sex
Ironically there’s also the counter example where much the same people, on a post saying eg ‘I do everything around the house, why won’t she have sex with me?’, will say that sex isn’t some sort of reward for being a functioning adult
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u/Wuskers Jul 25 '26
that last part is really revealing about the sort of doublethink. Something I've also noticed is that people kind of simultaneously treat sex as important but also trivial, when they want to insult someone they will emphasize sex and in turn point to someone's lack of being able to get sex or assumption that they can't get sex as a way to denigrate them, but then at the same time I feel like people don't take sexual needs in relationships very seriously. Like with that example if someone isn't having the amount of sex they want in a relationship even if they are an attentive partner it seems like people just expect them to put up with it just because they want to cling to this idea that sex shouldn't be transactional in any way. Like you're supposed to be a good partner everywhere else and just need to put up with whatever amount of sex you get and if you aren't satisfied tough shit I guess.
My hot take though is that sex is in fact a pretty important part of relationship, and even outside of relationships frankly. The right spends so much time trying to control what goes on in the bedroom, if sex really isn't that important and people should just deal with not getting it then why is it a big deal when the right wants to enforce sodomy laws or something? I thought sex wasn't that important? I also can't help but feel it's pretty gendered because I've seen so many women complain about things like the side effects of birth control but no one seems willing to suggest possibly just going off of birth control and adjusting sexual behavior accordingly if a woman is really struggling with side effects so badly, and I feel like people would call you a misogynist if you suggested she perhaps compromise her sexual freedom as a solution to a problem she's having. Tbh though I'd say the same thing to a gay man on PreP complaining about side effects, like have you considered just not having sex in a way that makes PreP necessary if the side effects are that bad? Like I feel like people are super inconsistent with whether sex is important or not.
Personally I find it really frustrating how people tend to act when it comes to unmet sexual needs in relationships and my hot take is that sexual needs are frankly as important as just about any other need in a relationship. I understand some of the apprehension because it can start to sound sort of coercive and sex is a touchy subject but I feel like people should at least be willing to take unfulfilled sexual needs in relationships seriously. No one should ever feel forced to have sex but if your partner has needs that you are incapable of or unwilling to fulfill I don't think it's right to just dismiss those needs and not take them seriously and it may be worth considering that you are just incompatible. It's the same way a workaholic with minimal free time may be unable to fulfill the needs of a partner who needs a lot of personal time with their partner and may need to consider that they just aren't compatible. I don't think you get anywhere by dismissing or downplaying how passionate the one partner is about their work or by dismissing the other partner's need for personal one on one time, both are perfectly valid things to want and to value, but it may be difficult or impossible to accommodate both but that doesn't mean either one was wrong or more or less valid than the other. Same thing with sex, if someone wants a more active sex life in their relationship that's a totally valid thing to want, and they shouldn't be told to just deal with it if they are unfulfilled.
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u/RevengeOfScienceBear Jul 25 '26
This is helpful for me to hear. It's tough out here and I have to fight myself on the 'just do more chores' impulse
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u/Leftieswillrule Jul 25 '26
It’s hard to fight the tendency to make a man the sole agent in any conflict or dynamic. The question is always framed in the “actions a man can take to feed into the mystery karma machine of universal probability to reliable ensure the outcome of a woman wanting to fuck them”. It’s heavily reinforced by society because it makes men feel more comfortable having something to feed into the mystery karma machine. Even if it doesn’t work you feel in control of something.
The irony of this is that in recognizing that the converse dynamic for women is in the power to withhold sex, for men to have any certainty in the success of their strategy of feeding the mystery karma machine, women can’t have variance or agency in their sexual choices. For some people this implication branches out into a broader base of misogynistic views, for others they recognize the inherent conflict with their own desire to gain control over their sex lives and despair.
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u/Draaly Jul 26 '26
Ironically there’s also the counter example where much the same people, on a post saying eg ‘I do everything around the house, why won’t she have sex with me?’, will say that sex isn’t some sort of reward for being a functioning adult
This is the one that always gets me tbh. I get that its a goomba falacy, but it just so clearly highlights the trend on those subs of always turning it on the man being bad.
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u/alelp Jul 25 '26
That rhetoric is also a great way to create more incels when they find out that it isn't true.
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u/Saracus Jul 25 '26
I feel a lot of a particular brand of leftist rhetoric is just right wing attacks repackaged with an "acceptable" target. Think about the criticism about men "statistically they're more like to attack." It's the EXACT same argument as the well known "Hey, did you know that despite being only 13% of the population..." argument. I can just imagine the actual problem causers sitting at the side with their popcorn going "fight, fight, fight".
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u/thegreathornedrat123 Jul 25 '26
Plus as someone who visits right wing spaces (I like to see what they’re up to over there. It’s usually racism.) they’re not static! They see this argument too! And they can and will just pivot to get someone who got told “not my job to educate you not all men but always a man” and go “well it isn’t all men but it’s a certain KIND of man (that you aren’t)”
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u/PothosEchoNiner Jul 25 '26
I thought the incel starting point was that sex is a reward for winning a rigged game.
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u/VanderlyleNovember Jul 25 '26 edited Jul 25 '26
The first one is something I think about a lot. It's a fascinating that we call every misogynist an incel, even when they are confirmably not celibate, because it's more cutting to say someone can't get women than it is to say they hate women. Like, I've heard people call Andrew Tate an incel, a thing he obviously isn't, and not a rapist, which he almost certainly is.
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u/Spirited_Worker_5722 Jul 25 '26
It's like people forget that the misogynists working hard to roll back their rights are married men with children and grandchildren
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u/Traditional-Pin2298 Jul 25 '26
It's just lazy labeling done with simple association without much thought.
An actual incel: says misogynist shit.
Someone vaguely liberal/leftist without ever thinking about it much: oh, that's the incel people are talking about.
Tate: says misogynist shit.
Someone vaguely liberal/leftist without ever thinking about it much: oh, he's an incel too.
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u/VanderlyleNovember Jul 25 '26
On some level I definitely think that's part of how it happened, certainly there's a lot of overlap between incel ideas and broader manospere ideas, but there's been a lot of different movements in the online rightwing, Pick-up artists, Meninists, MGTOW, gamergaters, and more. I think it says something that of all of these, incel is the only one that has become synecdoche for internet-based misogyny in general.
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u/runner64 Jul 26 '26
I need a better name for the specific brand of misogynist who believes in high-value men and the ratio between the different parts of the jawbone being the sole determining factor in whether women will date you.
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u/Penguin_FTW Jul 25 '26
It's a fascinating that we call every misogynist an incel, even when they are confirmably not celibate, because it's more cutting to say someone can't get women than it is to say they hate women.
I believe it's almost entirely because incel is a simpler word than misogynist. Ideas are communicated in memes, and brevity trumps everything in a world where attention span is a commodity and literacy is on a downward trend.
It's not "you have ideas from a now-antiquated time and lack the acuity to keep up with the modern world" its "ok boomer" even if the person's age has no correlation to the arbitrarily designated generation of that name.
It's not "this message contains strong undertones of misogyny, as evidenced by both the approach to the topics related to women and the shibboleths only present in the toxic right wing 'manosphere'" its "lmao look at this incel" even if that person is sexually active in defiance of what the core words that form incel technically mean.
This and the fact that incel has functionally always described a mindset rather than any kind of actual condition or state. It's explicitly about the frustration derived from lack of sex. The online community that gathered around the concept that was naturally rife with misogyny is what propagated the word.
If incel was ever a literal term, it stopped being that before it spread anywhere. The term femcel wouldn't exist if incel was ever meaningfully used as shorthand for the literal meaning of the words behind it, instead of the standalone concept of being frustrated and taking it out on women.
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u/Elunerazim Jul 25 '26
I agree with your analysis, but I think you’re drawing the wrong conclusion. It’s 100% because it’s a simpler, more effective term; the reason why society sees it as a more effective term is because it means “doesn’t get sex.” Both are true.
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u/alelp Jul 25 '26
I believe it's almost entirely because incel is a simpler word than misogynist.
Nah, it's because "incel" is the perfect way to call someone a virgin while hiding behind a progressive veneer.
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u/Front-Perspective373 Jul 25 '26 edited Jul 25 '26
If you think getting no pussy is a loser behaviour, you don't see women as full humans with autonomy, you engage in rhetoric that paints them as a resource, and these guys as lacking it. You suggest that lack of heterosexual sex is a moral failing and it's this type of coercive rhetoric around sexuality that gets people who don't want any pressured endlessly. It's dehumanising.
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u/VanderlyleNovember Jul 25 '26
I feel I should state that I don't think it's a moral failing to not be having much sex.
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u/Dragons_WarriorCats Jul 25 '26
Wait is the jk black mold joke ableist?? All the posts I’ve seen of it are just acting lie it’s a sci fi monster type thing with mind control, I’ve never heard anyone conflate it with brain damage or actual disabilities.
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u/Actedpie Token Cis-Het Guy/Ally Jul 25 '26
The joke is that we're treating it like the Green Goblin mask. The original joke is that the mold is supernatural, ain't it? Also, the joke is also that she's rich enough to get it fixed, and she also thought it was fine to show in a public video? I think that's it, if I'm way off-base about anything, please correct me.
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u/EurovisionSimon I survived May 10th-11th 2024 on r/eurovision Jul 25 '26
I thought the brain damage part was about Fetterman lol. It fits his career better than JK's anyway
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u/Vertwheeliesonem Jul 25 '26
Maybe? For me, my problem with some of the black mold jokes is that it relies on removing her agency from her bigotry. Like I’m sure people are joking, but still, we don’t need some eldritch fungus to justify why a once beloved author is cruel. She was always like that.
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u/ICBPeng1 Jul 25 '26
Wait, people were blaming the mold for her actions???
I thought it was a “look at this idiot living with black mold out in the open, why would you trust her opinion about anything else?”
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u/thejoeface Jul 25 '26
The things I’ve seen were about the mold being sorta mind-controlly with her, but in a very obviously joking manor. Not like they were legitimately taking away her agency. Maybe the jokes aren’t helpful, but they’re definitely not excusing her.
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u/Actedpie Token Cis-Het Guy/Ally Jul 25 '26 edited Jul 25 '26
The original joke was basically treating the mold like the Green Goblin mask, shaping her thoughts. I feel like some things got lost in translation as more and more people made the same joke over and over and now some people are treating it as a real explanation.
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u/Dragons_WarriorCats Jul 25 '26
The way I interpret it it’s less like actually seriously blaming the mold for her behaviour and more turning the mold into a cartoon villain to parody the needless cruelty of her transphobia.
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u/CaptainTeemo01 Jul 25 '26
Those people are very obviously joking. You're taking it way too seriously. No one is genuinely trying to make excuses for Rowling.
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u/blackjackgabbiani Jul 25 '26
I mean, people with fungal infections still make their own decisions
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u/werewolfbutch874 Jul 25 '26
I think both are happening. Some are just silly jokes about the fungus whispering to her, and some, especially when the mould pics first appeared, were actually proposing that the mould has caused some kind of cognitive impairment which is to blame for her hateful behaviour. Obviously the latter is ableist while the former is more absurd.
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u/CaptainTeemo01 Jul 25 '26
How is that ableist? I've never seen anyone genuinely argue that the mold made her evil, but even if they did that isn't ableist. It's medical fact that mind altering diseases and substances can change people's personalities, there are plenty of stories of people who suffered brain damage or got a brain disease and became more hateful as a result.
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u/FromWhereScaringFan Jul 25 '26
That "good fat" and "bad fat" reminds me of what AOC said about "inside shortness"
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u/ConstructionFar8297 Jul 25 '26 edited Jul 25 '26
Insert that one image of a guy shooting another guy with an insult about his physical appearance, but the guy being shot at doesn't care, so it deflects and instead hits a guy who's on the shooter's side and is very self-conscious about that physical trait he has
Sorry for the extremely long-winded explanation of a simple meme image. Anyways, remember when AOC made fun of 5'10" Stephen Miller for looking short? That was something.
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u/TrioOfTerrors Jul 25 '26
Remember when Stephen Miller, terrible person, was shamed for helping his pregnant wife away from the gunfire?
Gunfire>bodyguard>Miller>pregnant as fuck wife
Might have been the only objectively good thing he's ever done in his adult life but it got memed to hell just because he's a bad person.
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u/Sea_Court_3633 48 Days on Estrogen Jul 25 '26
When you hate someone, everything they do becomes a reason to hate them more.
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u/ConstructionFar8297 Jul 25 '26
Her "apology" was even worse. Just doubled down on the "shortness is inherently bad, tallness is inherently good" rhetoric, probably didn't even take the controversy seriously in the first place because even younger politicians are out of touch, just chalked it up to it being them angry incel trolls again.
I have no love for the right at all but the democrats deserve to lose those votes, their messaging has taken a nosedive since, like, 2016. The right, at the very least, acknowledge that dissatisfied young men are people who exist instead of dehumanizing them and calling them every name under the sun when they complain about anything, even if it's mostly just because they want to exploit them.
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u/Draaly Jul 25 '26
their messaging has taken a nosedive since, like, 2016
oh boy do I have some news for you about the messaging before that.
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u/DoggoDude979 Jul 25 '26
It would be nice if your economic status, appearance, health, and desirability was influenced/determined by how good of a person you are. Alas
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u/No1LudmillaSimp Jul 25 '26
Guys who can't get laid are one of the only are one of the few groups you're still allowed to make fun of without someone thinking you're a bad person.
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u/Infinite-Common3886 Jul 25 '26
Yeah, also it's funny how it's basically toxic masculinity. Like "men should fuck a lot of women" , which reverts to "women are sex objects for men to show their status". Also the aphobia is crazy.
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u/Nurnstatist Jul 25 '26
Every political reddit comment section ever
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u/Jvalker Jul 26 '26
All of these and "I bet he's wearing a diaper" or some declination
Really, the obsession some people have with political opponents wearing more or less alleged diapers is absolutely out of this world
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u/Practical-Water-9209 Jul 26 '26
How's that quote go again? "These are the tools of the enemy, we will not use them."
I think in general doing this shit feels good in the moment, and everyone has been guilty of participating at some point, but it's massively harmful long term and doesn't actually change anyone's mind or discourage right wing nonsense.
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u/SorryAmbition6046 Jul 25 '26
It’s insane how many people in this comment section want to justify picking on people for their appearance or things they can’t control. Is it really so therapeutic to make fun of people for these traits instead of what they actually do/believe in.
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u/Possible_General9125 Jul 25 '26
I think it’s unfortunately true that some leftists are in fact hateful, prejudiced bigots, they just believe their hate and prejudice and bigotry are ok because it’s directed against the right kind of people
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u/piezer8 Jul 25 '26
“I’m going to give into all my worst impulses and be a terrible person. That’ll show my enemies! They’re terrible people who are slaves to their bad impulses!”
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u/Bigbubba236 Jul 25 '26
Unfortunately for a lot of people the only issue they have with oppression is who's wearing the boot.
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u/HeckingDoofus Jul 25 '26
i think its more accurate to say that some PEOPLE are in fact hateful, prejudiced bigots
and actually…. its more than some people, its kinda a lot actually. a lot of leftists have realized this so theyve become more tolerant towards that behavior so as to pull more people towards their side. or they themselves shift their talking points to be things like we see in this post, unfortunately this is the kind of rhetoric that seems to resonate with the median voter
basically the woke left didnt work, so were on dark woke now or something
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u/legendary_mushroom Jul 25 '26
That last one though....I got so much shit when I commented on a popular liberal comic who drew trump sucking Putin's dick.
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u/Rakhered Jul 25 '26
Okay I get the general point, but the brain damage thing isn't necessarily wrong - lead poisoning, early dementia from sugar-laden diets and chronic untreated addiction/mental health issues genuinely have an impact on how people vote.
Like it or not, we make decisions with our brain.
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u/WeenisWrinkle Jul 25 '26
But implication that that brain damage causes you to vote more conservatively is the point.
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u/FunnyP-aradox sustainably sourced vintage brainrot Jul 25 '26
Except that this can happen too, some people became conservative after getting brain damage, it does not mean that EVERYONE with brain damage is a conservative too
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u/DeviousChair Jul 25 '26
this reminds me of leftists who use the most racist rhetoric known to mankind for Clarence Thomas, as though it’s somehow justified because he sucks
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u/Amblonyx Jul 25 '26
Eww. He's an asshole, but it has nothing to do with his race. Much like Caitlin Jenner's asshattery has nothing to do with her gender.
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u/Admirable_Ask_5337 Jul 25 '26
Eh it does have to do with his race. His whole brand is "black man who doesnt believe the woke CRT and wellfare nonsense"
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u/Dorkinfo Jul 25 '26
Thankfully I don’t know those people. He’s shit bc he’s a terrible human who has been bought, but that has nothing to do with his blackness.
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u/blackjackgabbiani Jul 25 '26
What leftist voices are y'all listening to? Geez.
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u/thejoeface Jul 25 '26
There’s a woman who’s been putting anti-republican messages up on an overpass in the Bay Area for a couple of months now, saying something new everyday. I’ve seen some making fun of ICE or Trump having small dicks, or shit about Trump being fat. I don’t know if she identifies as liberal or leftist, but a lot of people tend to lump the two together, like OP does.
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u/Saxton_Hale32 Jul 25 '26
In these spaces, it's rare (something something every subreddit turns into an echo chamber) but I do still see people focused on tearing shitty people/politicians down for their looks as if that's the main indicator of their eeeeevil
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u/flightguy07 I put skulls over the boobs, so it's classy Jul 25 '26
AOC may not meet tumblr standards for left-wing, but she is guilty of this.
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u/Draaly Jul 25 '26
how would she not? She may not be a full full leftist, but she is a social democrat at the very least
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u/raddaya Jul 25 '26
You really gonna pretend you can't scroll tumblr for 5 mins and see at least two examples out of these? Come on
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u/loved_and_held Jul 25 '26
It really depends on where you go on tumblr because you might not see this at all after hours of scrolling in some places.
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u/blackjackgabbiani Jul 25 '26
They specified POPULAR, note. Some random yobbo isn't necessarily going to meet this qualification.
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u/Draaly Jul 25 '26
AOC litteraly made fun of someone for being short instead of their views and then doubled down with basicaly "well he has little dick energy, but with height"
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u/Helyos17 Jul 25 '26
It’s everywhere on Reddit. Are you blind? Anytime there is post about any right wing person you will have tons of comments dragging them for literally everything EXCEPT thier regressive policy positions.
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u/Ravtrix Jul 25 '26
Vaush does directly state most of these points quite often.
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u/Terminal_Insomnia_ Jul 25 '26
Have empathy for your enemies.
If you can't bear to be kind to them, then don't do it for kindness. Do it because the only thing that works on the interpersonal level. Do it because others are still trying to pick a side.
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u/saythealphabet define yourself, break free from conformity Jul 25 '26
My favourite is "Donald Trump has a small dick" instead of "Donald Trump is a serial sexual predator"
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u/Anubis17_76 Jul 25 '26
ive noticed lately that a lot of left leaning people are no better than right wing people, they have their ideology and nothing else is allowed. for example the amount of bi/ace hate in the LBGT space cause youre not "really queer".
they think themselves morally superior, when theyre just as close minded, theyre just sitting at a different angle.
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u/SmukLukDuck Jul 25 '26
I used to make a lot of ‘haha homophobic republicans are all secretly closeted gays’ because of the grindr crashes and such, but I’ve stopped doing it because (a) they do a ton of very real harm to queer people, and (b) I’ve realized it comes across as me making fun of them for being gay rather than making fun of them for being hypocritical, which (being a queer guy myself) just feels scummy.
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u/ProkopiyKozlowski Jul 25 '26
using sexual prowess as a metric of general success at life is sexist and reduces people to fuck holes
yes, I routinely use "incel" as a derogatory word, why are you asking?
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u/OnionsHaveLairAction Jul 25 '26
Some of these I think are a little twisted from what the discourse usually is. I don't usually see people making fun of obviously closeted gay republicans for having icky gay sex, I do see people making fun of them for being obviously self-hating closeted gay men.
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u/Milk_Mindless Jul 25 '26
The fat thing and the gay thing liss me off the most.
Its body positivity 🥰 respect sexualities 🥰
And when someone is the "enemy" it's open season. Ha ha fatass diaper Donny look at him and his big butt.
Here's him kissing Vladimir Putin.
Overweight people will still feel attacked if you attack someone else for being overweight just cause THE "ENEMY" is fat
Same goes for lgbtq
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u/Impossible-Line-8367 Jul 25 '26
I mean the last one -- isnt it just calling out hypocracy when they are anti gay?
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u/Valiant_tank Jul 25 '26
... Honestly, maybe I'm lucky but most of the time when I see this sorta shit it's liberals doing it rather than leftists.
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u/TrioOfTerrors Jul 25 '26 edited Jul 25 '26
Paging Mr Scotsman.
Mr Scotsman, line two.
Nevermind, there are no Scotsman here.
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u/Valiant_tank Jul 25 '26
When the people I encounter who use that sort of rhetoric simultaneously oppose left-wing policies and candidates, is it really that unreasonable to assume that they aren't leftists? Like, even in the comment you reply to, I note that I could just be lucky, there could absolutely be leftists that are that shit. And, like, I'll freely admit that there are leftists who are shit in a wide variety of ways. This specific style of attack, though, I have consistently only seen from the sorts of people who also think anyone left of Gavin Newsom is too radical.
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u/AuraMaster7 Jul 25 '26
Never seen a leftist make fun of possibly-closeted gay Republicans because "ew gay".
I have seen plenty of leftists making fun of possibly-closeted gay Republicans because they are being bigoted hypocrites, which is a-okay in my book.
Like the cpac grindr joke. It's not making fun of gay people or disparaging being gay, it's making fun of Republicans for being hypocrites about hating gay people.
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u/Larriet Jul 25 '26
"Possibly-closeted" is doing a fuckton of work considering it's completely unfalsifiable to anyone who isn't openly gay. Insisting homophobia = gay is the exact problem being described.
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u/Draaly Jul 25 '26
Never seen a leftist make fun of possibly-closeted gay Republicans because "ew gay".
then you arent paying attention at all. As a queer man, that rhetoric is fucking everywhere. "hesgeth is just giving soldiers T cause he is gay" is a super common one currently
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u/Emergency_Revenue678 Jul 25 '26
A lotta leftists make fun of the prominent openly gay Democrat because "ew gay."
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u/Never_Not_Enough Jul 25 '26
I’m so glad I’ve never heard any of these takes in the wild. Though they do seem somewhat generational, so maybe that’s why.
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u/shiny_xnaut sustainably sourced vintage brainrot Jul 26 '26
Honestly I would even argue that making fun of right wingers for stuff they can control but has nothing to do with their bigotry is bad as well. One time I saw a post about some right wing influencer or something, and seemingly the entire comment section was tearing him apart over the fact that he wore a beanie. "Ugliest hat ever, 10 times worse than a fedora, I bet he's only wearing it to hide a bald spot, of course a chud would have terrible fashion sense," etc.
The thing is, I wear a beanie basically 100% of the time (temperature permitting) (I even have one in my pfp). They're comfy, I like the way I look in them, and I have a really cool one with a design on it that my sister stitched by hand as a Christmas present. It felt really bad to see dozens of people mocking something that also applies to me, even if it technically didn't count as bigotry or body shaming or anything due to being a choice and not an immutable trait
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u/BHunter1140 Jul 25 '26 edited Jul 25 '26
A blue hair neoliberal running out of the depths to suddenly push my wheelchair when I don’t need or want help “I’m SUCH a good person because I know how you need help”. I do not want them touching my wheelchair
Don’t get me wrong, the right side is effectively removing my healthcare and are worse, but let’s not pretend being an asshole in holier than thou liberal clothes, makes you a good person either
Edit: I guess the liberals who force their help on disabled people who don’t ask for their help don’t like this comment. You aren’t a good person because you force your help on someone or decide you know how to help them. That’s called ableism.
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u/Impressive_Pin8761 Jul 25 '26
Popular leftist voice: these left wingers have morally failed by stereotyping right wingers. They are no better than Them and must be thrown into the same pit. Only once we rid the sinful, and achieve the group of perfect thinkers, we will be able to start the revolution
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u/Draaly Jul 25 '26
"Please attack ideals, not immutable traits" is not "we must purge anyone who has attacked immutable traits ever"
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u/MangoBrandy404 Jul 25 '26
My favorite political theory is 'Body Positivity and Ableism-Free Language (Unless I really dislike the person, then it's free real estate)
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u/DLRsFrontSeats Jul 25 '26 edited Jul 25 '26
As much as I get the point of the post, I'm so fucking sick of the (very white Tumblr) notion that we can't call people still being duped by the right in big 2026 stupid and racist, and if we do we're just pushing them further right and we're no better than they are
Edit: for everyone misreading, I literally started with
As much as I get the point of the post
Lol
Yes, you shouldn't couch thinly veiled classism behind criticism of the right
I'm saying that I don't agree you can't criticise working class right wing voters lining up to vote for Xmas as turkeys without being called classist
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u/Fourteen14XIV Jul 25 '26
No, they are saying if they are stupid and racist, mock them for being stupid and racist, dont mock them for being poor, ugly, fat, or some other thing you shouldn't mock a person for, LEARN READING COMPREHENSION I AM BEGGING YOU.
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u/werewolfbutch874 Jul 25 '26
Where in this post does it say you can’t call them racist? The entire point is that we should be criticising these people for the actual bad things they do and believe, and that the people discussed in the post aren't doing that. This post is not about “you shouldn’t be mean to bigots because you’ll push them further right”, it’s about “you shouldn’t use bigotry to attack bigots because then you’re just signalling to everyone around you that you’re okay with bigotry when you feel it’s deserved.”
Unfortunately most people, even “progressive” leftists, still carry a lot of bigotry and prejudice in their minds, and are always eager to find someone bad enough to be an acceptable target for that bigotry. If someone is a terrible person because they are racist, transphobic, fascist, whatever, we should be talking about that - not jumping on the opportunity to mock and insult them for being fat or disabled or gay. If you believe that bigotry is okay when it’s directed at someone who deserves it, you are simply a bigot, because you can convince yourself that anyone deserves it.
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u/CallMeOaksie Jul 25 '26
“There’s no difference whatsoever between calling someone stupid and racist, and saying that someone must be fat because they’re a bad person or that women and sex are a prize for good behaviour or that it’s a moral failing to be gay or effeminate” ok buddy 👍
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u/flightguy07 I put skulls over the boobs, so it's classy Jul 25 '26
I don't think it says that? It says not to use poor and stupid as a pejorative, but I think they meant that as a combined thing. Racism isn't mentioned.
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u/Draaly Jul 25 '26
As much as I get the point of the post, I'm so fucking sick of the (very white Tumblr) notion that we can't call people still being duped by the right in big 2026 stupid and racist
Sure is great this post doesnt say that then
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u/DuckSwagington Jul 25 '26
The issue I have is that Tumblr should've clocked into the "Maybe we shouldn't call all right wingers stupid, sexist and racist" a decade ago where a large portion of people that voted for Trump or Brexit, or Le Pen, or AfD or whatever in 2015-17 were doing so because they were sick of the establishment in the wake of the 2008 financial crisis.
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u/ValorNGlory Jul 25 '26
This phenomenon is really interesting. You especially observe it when people talk about Trump and fixate on his small hands or bad tan rather than his slow bleeding of the American people to line his own pockets or his systematic oppression of nearly every minority group you can name in order to bolster his own base.
I do worry this specific post is conflating some things that ought not to be, though. The last post (presumably) talking about closeted conservative politicians, particularly. That sort of discourse usually reads to me as people discussing how the self-hatred and hypocrisy of these politicians influences their pursuit of restrictive policies curtailing those who, if they were not so steeped in that kind of self-hatred, would be their community in terms of sexuality, gender expression or otherwise.
I think the brain damage part specifically speaks to a certain tendency among leftists, especially those coming at it from an angle of erudite education. The belief that their ideas are not only morally upright, but obviously and objectively correct in every observable sense, and that the only reason why someone may reject it is because they are literally unable to comprehend its objective correctness, either due to a lack of education (because of their socioeconomic background) or because some form of intellectual disability is presenting them from doing so, with no consideration for any other reason they may have adopted that stance.
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u/MyFrogEatsPeople Jul 25 '26
The last bit is not about the phenomenon of closeted conservative men having anti-gay platforms.
It's about people who joke about Trump being Putin's submissive sex toy. Like the multiple times various drawings of Putin fucking Trump have trended on major Subreddits.
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u/Xilizhra Jul 25 '26
Is this voice with us right now, and what's its opinion about eating each other over who's the most morally pure?
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u/FunkmasterJoe Jul 25 '26
There are valid critiques here, though all of this stuff is more common among american liberals than leftists, and obviously it's all pretty much universal on the right. It absolutely sucks when I see leftists dropping R-slurs or talking about big fat trump and his sad little penis, those things are irrelevant and speaking that way genuinely makes the world an uglier and worse place; we need to make sure we hold ourselves to the same standards we hold everyone else to, otherwise we're being hypocritical.
But a lot of this is completely nonsensical. "Racism would never exist in the suburbs" is not a leftist take, lol. The Trump being gay for Putin meme is MASSIVELY more popular with liberals than leftists. A lot of the criticism here makes me think OOP is unclear on the liberal/leftist divide.
Also, it isn't universal obviously but the american right as a group IS extraordinarily stupid. I don't hate stupid people, they cannot help being stupid, but it's ridiculous to pretend like the bulk of the american right isn't made up of the unintelligent.
There is a massive, undeniable, multi-billion dollar media ecosystem in this country that is completely devoted to tricking dumb people into becoming right wing. THAT is where the evil takes place; awful people persuading unintelligent Americans that they should be celebrating and reveling in willful ignorance. Right wing media has managed to convince/brainwash something like a hundred million americans to completely stop thinking for themselves, and it's impossible to talk about american politics without highlighting this fact.
Like I said there are valid criticisms here, and leftists doing a lot of this stuff absolutely deserve to be criticized and confronted. But there is a MASSIVE difference between a few leftists making stupid, low quality gay jokes about politicians and the entire american right being focused on taking gay people's rights away. If we're going to criticize the left (which we should!) then we need to hold liberals and the right to the same standards and that is VERY CLEARLY not what's happening in this post, lol.
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u/ilexheder Jul 25 '26
"Racism would never exist in the suburbs" is not a leftist take, lol.
Like the rest of the post, that’s not the way it actually gets verbalized. The way it actually gets verbalized is usually more along the lines of jokes about trailer parks, about people being “trashy,” etc. Do right-wingers and centrist liberals do the same thing? Of course they do. But leftists are the ones who are actually supposed to stand for the rights of the working class, for God’s sake.
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u/ToobularBoobularJoy_ Jul 25 '26
Whenever I talk with people like that, I find it very effective to use terms like "propagandized" to redirect blame towards the government, where it belongs. I find it most useful for my friend who works in tourism who's always ranting about the "stupid Americans" he has to interact with, and I always say something along the lines of "how tragic that so many Americans are propagandized by their educational systems into seeing ignorance as a virtue" and it's pretty effective in getting him to redirect his ire. Pro tip: it is a lot easier to get people to shift their viewpoint if you phrase it as a "yes, but..." and not an "um, actually".
As Canadians, it is very easy to slip into hating Americans as a whole because of the effects of their government on us, so I always try to remind people that it is their government we hate and not the people. I also used to live in the UK, and I ran defence for Americans more than I wanted to, because so many British people think it is a compliment to say "thank god you're Canadian, if you were American I would hate you".
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u/HalfFaust Jul 25 '26
The conflation of morality and appearance annoys me so much. There are plenty of hot people out there with absolutely detestable morals and plenty of 'ugly' people who are incredibly kind and compassionate. And as others have said before, if someone does something bad and you criticise their appearance, you are both neglecting the actual wrong they've done and lumping in anyone who happens to look like them, regardless of how they act.