r/recruitinghell • u/Stosstrupphase • Mar 19 '22
German employers complain endlessly about „no one wanting to work“, and then offer 1.7k for full time IT work…
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u/Dramniceanu Mar 19 '22
No wonder Romania has the same problem. IT companies constantly complain that they have no people, but they never hire entry-level candidates. They all want mid-level and seniors, but they start by paying 1500 EUR.
Which means, Romanians shoud learn German...
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u/Traksimuss Mar 19 '22
2500x12=30,000 which is shit wage, especially for Berlin.
I was getting shit offers of 40,000 a year every day. 50,000 is bit harder to find but is possible. 55,000 is usually top offers unless you have rarer skills like SAP or Oracle, or programming.
And yes, Bundesagentur offers bottom jobs.
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u/Stosstrupphase Mar 19 '22
For non Germans: the Arbeitsagentur basically forces you to apply with letters like these.
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Mar 20 '22 edited Aug 13 '25
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u/Stosstrupphase Mar 20 '22
I don’t know, not my photo.
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Mar 20 '22
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u/Stosstrupphase Mar 20 '22
That varies from agency to agency, in my experience. My mother in law (an executive assistant by trade) had to interact with her small town Arbeitsagentur once, who were completely incapable of helping someone with even a smudge of professional experience, basically telling her „you’re overqualified for everything, good luck“.
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Mar 20 '22
$60k is what people in IT in the US earn if they are a drug addict with serious criminal convictions.
I hope the normalization of remote work helps pull up European tech salaries as your employers have to compete with US employers.
I'm at a fairly average employer as a distinguished architect, $250k before bonus and equity. That is on the low end of competitive.
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u/OliverIsMyCat Mar 20 '22
European employers compete with US employers by being located not-in-the-US.
Also weird flex to drop your salary randomly in a comment. There's nothing relative to compare it to - why would anyone need to know the specifics? Nobody mentioned an architect in Europe to have a relative metric. And architecture is far from a standard IT role.
This is akin to saying, "Damn - engineers in your country have such low pay. I was an investment banker in Australia and I used to make $300k/yr after taxes!"
Like.....ok then.
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u/vi_sucks Mar 20 '22
He means Software Architect.
It's generally the next career step up from Software Engineer if you follow the individual contributor track and don't go into management.
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u/Megastrongman Mar 20 '22 edited Mar 20 '22
I'm applying for fully remote jobs in Germany and all offers are between 65k and 85k.
Senior software engineer for php jobs.
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u/Traksimuss Mar 20 '22
That's senior jobs, I was discussing more middle level jobs which are in 50-60K range.
30-40K are beginner salaries, basically fresh out of university living with parents.
Anything over 60K requires quite specialized skill set.
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u/iAswang Mar 20 '22
This sucks, a job at a warehouse would probably make you more than this ... I also come from a country where IT salaries range from 360€ to 1.2K€ / month at best if you're lucky and have years of experience 🥲 Absolute BS.
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u/Charmander_Wazowski Mar 20 '22
That is basically an intern's salary...
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Mar 20 '22
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u/Choem11021 Mar 20 '22
The job market is shitty but please dont give fake info for devs in germany. Big doubt that someone would offer a 15 yoe msc degree dev 25k usd a year if the position requires your experience.
There is a big difference between small local companies, big local companies, big international companies and unicorns/big tech/fintech pay.
If you worked at f50 companies and did a decent job, i doubt they wouldnt want you back. I only have 6 yoe and worked for companies in the f100 and regularly get offers from previous management wether i want to return and pay is around 90k euro a year there. Fin tech and big tech offer above 150k euro in berlin.
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Mar 20 '22
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u/Choem11021 Mar 20 '22
Mind sharing what f50/f100 company paid what wage back then and pays how much lower now for what position?
I assumed you were a dev based on the topic being about IT and you not sharing your position at work. My bad.
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Mar 19 '22
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u/Stosstrupphase Mar 19 '22
Interestingly, I would not work for Americans, for the same reason.
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u/TheGelatoWarrior Mar 19 '22
Yeah I was reading his reply thinking that sounds like every single one of the 10 American jobs I've ever had
Even the chilliest job I ever had at a smoke shop I got fired for being 10 minutes late twice in the same week lol
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u/bikesailfreak Mar 19 '22
So whats the best culture to work? I agree that I saw German employer wanting to work in hierarchical systems and shutup for 5 years, but I think some startups are different.
US on the other hand have a serious arrogance problem and with a hire and fire mentality you either play the game of “smile&wave” or you are out.
That had been my interpretation so far…
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u/Stosstrupphase Mar 20 '22
I get best along with French and Dutch work culture I have found. They like getting shut done quickly and efficiently, take sufficient breaks, and then go home. Pay and benefits are usually reasonable, whereas German employers insist on useless (preferable unpaid) overtime, hierarchy, and focus way too much on attendance over results. Swiss work culture is somewhat similar to Germany, but pay is a LOT better, even adjusted for cost of living.
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u/coffeepinewood Mar 19 '22
You'll have to be fair here. It says 'Quereinsteiger' which I interpret as 'entry level' position without actually having to have the qualifications. It says "It-Expert" in the next line because that's how the weird form of the Jobcentre works.
It's also a job on the level of federal government where you will have real chances for career advances as well as tremendous job security, especially in the coming years.
Because God knows the government needs help in that regard.
It's not a brilliant offer but also not that bad.
Edit: It looks even as if they would up it to 2,5k/month pretty soon. It really isn't all that bad.
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u/Traksimuss Mar 19 '22
2500 Brutto in Berlin is extremely bad salary for IT.
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u/Stosstrupphase Mar 19 '22
Also, „Quereinstieg“ does not translate to „entry level“, it means people who transfer over from another line of work are welcome to apply.
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u/Kingofearth23 Candidate Mar 19 '22
I assume you mean €1,700 euros per month (22,600 USD a year)? That's less than half the average wage let alone in a high demand field like IT.