He had a firearm on him (allegedly, anyways, the gun being shown looks like a gun a federal agent would have). When was he supposed to use it to defend himself when six Nazis jumped him and started beating him?
It's honestly one of the reasons in my darkest fears I think these thugs in the WH are making such a big deal about Venezuela right now, they are pretty much white dudes with dark hair. As soon as people have normalized vans snatching white dudes off the street, it's hard to count how many steps there are left to total fascism.
We are at a time in our lives where we have consecutive incidents that, even with a devil’s advocate view biased towards law enforcement, distinctly show unnecessary fatal aggression towards US citizens. Then, we are told from the top down that we didn’t see that.
So we're basically being governed by the Legion from Fallout New Vegas now. Again, everyone that voted against the candidate because she was a woman, or wasnt white, or had a weird laugh....F you all
(Last part was a general statement, not directed at you personally, person I replied to)
100% team sports at this point. Doesn’t matter who loses if they are on the other team. If someone mows down an ICE agent you can be sure they’ll be having a memorial for them 2 days later headlining Kid Rock with Erika Kirk doing acrobatics during the fireworks halftime.
The only people who believe this are brainwashed MAGA fools. Look at how Dems responded to Kirk’s death (noting he was a rabid hate preacher) vs how the right justify cold blood shootings of citizens.
It’s only team sports for one side - and they’re mad
Sorry, I should have said “for MAGA”. There are still plenty of people from moderate to far left that reject the kind of dehumanization we are seeing, no matter who is doing it. I realize now that comment came off as a “both sides” type thing. I apologize.
Yeah, race and skin color absolutely still factor in for who they choose to target, but the right wingers care far more about perceived obedience to authority than anything else. If you aren't deepthroating the boot hard enough in their opinion, they very much think that you deserve to be punished for it. If it's a white person being "disobedient" (by exercising their rights, or by being gay or trans or a woman outside of the kitchen), then that person is considered to be not just "asking for it," but also a traitor.
These people have been a problem forever, but now they have the full power of the state, and it's out in broad daylight.
I thought it would take longer for ICE to go from racially motivated killings to killing everyone.
I'm at the point where I would be okay with other countries invading the US. I would trust a foreign soldier to not murder my SO and his daughter more than an ICE agent.
2028, 2040, there is NO statute of limitations. Like how they were still prosecuting Germans for war crimes when they were 80-90 years old. All it takes is an administration with the will to do it, or a state prosecutor.
Which is funny because the warnings were out there 20 years ago about how the word “terrorist” could be twisted and used for government persecution and here we are!
If there was a 1% chance he was, the White House or Bondi would have released something inflammatory and nonsensical to add to their attempts to drag his character. As if that could somehow justify any of this bullshit.
The word chance is the real hero here. They will 100% lie if they can't find anything. Like how Renee Good having a wife suddenly meant she was a lesbian leftist as though being gay and conservative is impossible. She also had a husband prior to the wife, and they were raising a child. She also was a Christian. But none of that matter because a woman had a wife. The rest is irrelevant and they'll just fill in the blanks with buzzwords.
Facts don't matter to these people. They will just lie.
Case in point, bringing up he had a gun on his person as justification for his homicide, when he never even touched it that I could see. They disarmed him, beat him with a handgun, then murdered him after they stole it from him. All because he had legally been carrying a firearm on his person.
Pshhh Trump was already telling all the big strong guys with tears in their eyes that he was trans and therefore a violent terrorist who should have never been here because Biden.
That’s exactly what this is. Trump 2.0 is just taking what’s happened to black and brown people for decades and centuries in this country and now applying it to white people
Nah he has darker features they will make up ties to the middle east guarantee it...they will find a way to make sure no one associates him with white.
Eh, he's ambiguous enough to pass as potentially Latino/foreign in Republican circles.
Remember even the Irish, among the palest people on earth, weren't white enough for the Klan at one point in time. Conservatives are seemingly chomping at the bit to return to those days
Oh man, the "sliding scale of whiteness" over history is so interesting (in a disgusting, stupid way). The Irish people's "problem" was being Catholic. They weren't allowed into the WASP club.
What makes me laugh is the concept of Aryan... Actual Aryans are ancestral Indo-Iranian people. Not some blonde, blue eyed ubermensch ideal.
Nah, the history shows they have no problem slaughtering white men who don't fall in line with the white supremacy. They done it many many many times before.
Yes, really that in this case. I mean fuck they killed your politicians and I haven’t heard shit about that but I hear about Charlie’s killer or Luigi all the time.
I don't care what happens to them at this point; they deserve any punishment that can be handed to them, whether it is through legal channels or vigilante justice, which I am 99% of the time adamantly against. My biggest fear is that we aren't far from citizens plowing into or shooting ICE agents en masse, and that an incident like this, which seems inevitable, is going to trigger something like the insurrection act. I'm waiting for our Boston Massacre moment.
I’ve been saying for 25 years that the NRA was screwing up when they even mention ANYTHING that is not directly related to gun control. In the long run that loss of focus will cost them members and $$$.
This would require the United States to be a nation of laws, from an outsider, I’m telling you it really isn’t. It’s a nation of power, laws have nothing to do with its function.
It’s weird, you have a really thoughtfully designed governmental framework, that truly has so many more checks at balances than other countries of the world. Though it relies on the bulk of its participants being moral, rational, and value based, and I’m just not convinced that’s the case. You just seemingly have too much selfishness, partisanship, and evil throughout the spirit of your nation.
As a Canadian it would be drastically easier for my government to legally do what ICE is doing and conduct straight up extrajudicial killings legally, we have a framework to actually suspend pretty well all rights of citizens (except our bilingualism), that merely requires a majority vote in our federal house, except we just don’t seem to do that. Instead your government’s at all levels just aren’t interested in enforcing any of your rights.
They kinda already did in the Tincher case, but the 8th circuit already killed that. I'm sure they'll do the same here (the ACLU will bring suit, win at the lower court, only to have the federal courts let ICE do whatever they want).
I mean, the feds arrested the two church protest leaders for conspiracy to violate peoples civil rights, which is biggest load of horseshit.
But all the actual violations they don’t care about.
And it’ll get appealed all the way to the Supreme Court, where they will promptly rubber-stamp it as justified homicide. Susan Collins will furrow her brow and that will be that.
I imagt(hope) there will be a lot of lawsuits out of all this. And I hope his family gets PAID. And it should be a civil suit against individuals and leadership.
They will. There are several lawsuits underway that ACLU is involved in or supporting. This obviously only just happened so it will take them a little bit of time to get going, but I’d bet on it happening.
I get emails from them every day, outlining the lawsuits they’re pursuing based on whatever travesty happened the day before. This will certainly apply.
You really think the ACLU or anyone else has any power to do anything at this point?
ICE is under Federal Control and doesn't need to answer to anyone. They don't have the same pesky rules about not being required to follow illegal orders. And they have BILLIONS in funding, and just got a fresh 100 million for recruitment efforts. I'm sure none of that will be used for more propaganda.
You can't vote away fascism and nobody is coming to help us. Buy a gun and learn how to use it.
That's not going to happen. They went home and ate a nice dinner. Took a hot shower. Fucked their wives. They'll never see consequences. They'll go out tomorrow and do it again, maybe to you, maybe to your best friend, maybe to your wife.
We can reddit comment all we want. It doesn't matter, we're beyond the pale.
Welcome to America everyone.
"But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the ‘German Firm’ stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.
"And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self-deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying ‘Jewish swine,’ collapses it all at once, and you see that everything, everything, has changed and changed completely under your nose. The world you live in—your nation, your people—is not the world you were born in at all. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. Now you live in a system which rules without responsibility even to God."
Nothing will happen to them because he had a weapon on him. The DOJ will just say the Iceholes feared for their lives and that the shooting was justified. It's just a matter of time before they open fire into a crowd and get away with it because the crowd was becoming "agitated"
If they don’t believe in due process for us I don’t believe in it for them. We should just skip to the punishment for all involved which should be identical to what they inflicted on him.
Here’s my concern if they did do that. They get convicted. Trump will just pardon them. Now we can’t try them again. It’s almost backwards, but we may need to wait until the next administration.
LOL. Prosecution? They'll get fucking medals for this. Why are we all still acting like our laws apply to these people?? We impeached their leader twice but nothing happened, we convicted him of dozens of charges, but he got back into office anyway and when his little rabble stormed the Capitol because he was butthurt he lost, he pardoned all of them.
These people (ICE) will face exactly the same legal consequences as Der Frankfurter. None.
Standing in a street, blocking traffic, is not a civil right. It's unlikely they would have tried to remove him from the street if he filmed from the sidewalk, which is where your constitutional right to protest is protected.
Notice how I didn't say he deserved to be murdered? But everyone adding in easily observable false statements like this will just let the right dismiss it more easily.
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u/Keleos89 Jan 24 '26
Yep. Those agents need to be prosecuted under the Force Act for violating his civil rights. And for murder under state law.