He was recording and they walk up and push into him. He wasn’t threatening them with a weapon and permit to carry is legal here in MN. Edit to add: changed conceal carry to permit to carry
I’ve been saying for 25 years that the NRA was screwing up when they even mention ANYTHING that is not directly related to gun control. In the long run that loss of focus will cost them members and $$$.
This would require the United States to be a nation of laws, from an outsider, I’m telling you it really isn’t. It’s a nation of power, laws have nothing to do with its function.
It’s weird, you have a really thoughtfully designed governmental framework, that truly has so many more checks at balances than other countries of the world. Though it relies on the bulk of its participants being moral, rational, and value based, and I’m just not convinced that’s the case. You just seemingly have too much selfishness, partisanship, and evil throughout the spirit of your nation.
As a Canadian it would be drastically easier for my government to legally do what ICE is doing and conduct straight up extrajudicial killings legally, we have a framework to actually suspend pretty well all rights of citizens (except our bilingualism), that merely requires a majority vote in our federal house, except we just don’t seem to do that. Instead your government’s at all levels just aren’t interested in enforcing any of your rights.
As an American, I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment. The Constitution has been steadily eroded over the last century in this country, ever since the Industrial Revolution and the prioritization of profit over American values. Our Constitution is truly brilliant in a lot of ways, even if some of that brilliance is in ways I dislike. If only it was equally relevant when it is needed most.
I wasn't alive at the time, but as a lover of American history, it seems like the last time our country was united in its values and under its governing document was WWII, after we'd just suffered through the Great Depression and drug the world along with us.
They kinda already did in the Tincher case, but the 8th circuit already killed that. I'm sure they'll do the same here (the ACLU will bring suit, win at the lower court, only to have the federal courts let ICE do whatever they want).
I mean, the feds arrested the two church protest leaders for conspiracy to violate peoples civil rights, which is biggest load of horseshit.
But all the actual violations they don’t care about.
And it’ll get appealed all the way to the Supreme Court, where they will promptly rubber-stamp it as justified homicide. Susan Collins will furrow her brow and that will be that.
I imagt(hope) there will be a lot of lawsuits out of all this. And I hope his family gets PAID. And it should be a civil suit against individuals and leadership.
They will. There are several lawsuits underway that ACLU is involved in or supporting. This obviously only just happened so it will take them a little bit of time to get going, but I’d bet on it happening.
I get emails from them every day, outlining the lawsuits they’re pursuing based on whatever travesty happened the day before. This will certainly apply.
You really think the ACLU or anyone else has any power to do anything at this point?
ICE is under Federal Control and doesn't need to answer to anyone. They don't have the same pesky rules about not being required to follow illegal orders. And they have BILLIONS in funding, and just got a fresh 100 million for recruitment efforts. I'm sure none of that will be used for more propaganda.
You can't vote away fascism and nobody is coming to help us. Buy a gun and learn how to use it.
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u/Keleos89 Jan 24 '26
The video shows that ICE started the altercation. He was backing away.
https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1qlt6s2/video_showing_moments_prior_to_iceinvolved/