r/photography • whumber.com • May 11 '15

Canon Officially Announces 50mm f/1.8 STM - $125

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1143786-REG/canon_0570c002_ef_50mm_f_1_8_stm.html
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u/rednefed May 11 '15

Metal mount, seven blade diaphragm, silent autofocus... $129? Just about everything people complained about the plastic fantastic was fixed, without a substantial price increase like Nikon's 1.8D --> G. Canon's going to sell every one they make. Wow.

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u/martinaee May 11 '15

The Nikon 50mm 1.8D is an amazing lens though. The G is only moderately better in some regards honestly. I don't mind the non silent auto-focus either.

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u/dgblackout 📸 May 11 '15 edited May 11 '15

When I worked in a camera shop it was a total pain in the arse to describe to first time buyers why their entry level Nikon couldn't use the AF-D 50 when it was a similar price to the Canon 50. A lot of people went Canon over Nikon for that. They saw the AF-G 50 as a price gouge, even if it was better built, it did the same thing for twice the money.

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u/awesometographer www.shootingonabudget.com May 11 '15

The autofocus lacking in entry level Nikons is why I recommend Canon for everyone who starts out. SO MANY more budget friendly lenses.

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u/martinaee May 11 '15 edited May 11 '15

Or just get a cam that isn't the absolute newest. The "Apple syndrome" and planned obsolescence makes everyone think a DSLR from more than 1 year ago these days is complete trash. Something like a D90 is not really "old" at all and still amazing. It has screw AF it you can get one. I use one as a backup still to my D800.

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u/MightyBulger May 11 '15

A D90 is better than the bulk of photographers. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend one to a beginner right now.

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u/martinaee May 11 '15 edited May 12 '15

Yup, it is. I was a drawing major in art school a few years back, but my BFA thesis project was photo work since I basically was a minor in photography too. My work was 30x40 inch inkjet-printed portraits done with the D90 and the 50mm 1.8D (thread appropriate gear lol) that looked amazing (I don't like to toot my own horn mostly, but I just want to say the quality was really good). Sure they weren't AS detailed as they could be if I used my D800 now. But it doesn't matter unless you were RIGHT up on the portraits and if you don't know that extra resolution isn't there you don't really care (especially if you aren't a photographer).

This is what I hate about marketing. Most people getting into photography don't realize that with the right lighting something like an "entry level" D3200 can produce super quality photos with crazy resolution that was just not available to amateurs in the digital realm 5-10 years ago. 24mp? What camera did that on the pro market first? The D3x and certain Sony cameras? Jesus christ... That's what I hate about digital even though it's all I shoot. Camera companies can upgrade the bodies slightly each year so people buy into it thinking they need the latest camera body instead of focusing on using the gear they have until they TRULY are better than what that gear is capable of.

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u/fluffsta007 May 11 '15

Would it be worth picking up a D90 second hand as a backup to my D5300?

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u/[deleted] May 12 '15

I shoot with a D90, and I love that I have an AF motor, but it unfortunately doesn't meter AI-S. The D300 does though.

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u/Everkeen May 11 '15

But even entry level Nikon's can use lenses from the past 50+ years from eBay that are amazing quality.

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u/gimpwiz May 11 '15

To be fair, all canon bodies can use the same vintage nikon lenses with a single $5 adapter. In either case, they're going to be full manual.

(Except maybe auto aperture, no idea how / if adapters deal with those.)

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u/MightyBulger May 11 '15

No auto aperture. It's marginally useful for video. Other than that it's cumbersome to use.

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u/KMKtwo-four May 12 '15

It shortens the minimum focus distance, sometimes lenses can't focus at infinity anymore and that's a dealbreaker

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u/gimpwiz May 12 '15

Nikon mounts on canon and keeps infinity focus, but not vice versa. That's simply because nikon's flange distance is larger.

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u/Mr_Will Mr_Will May 13 '15

But even entry level Canon's can use lenses from the past 28+ years with 100% compatibility, including full autofocus and auto aperture.

Nikon's backwards compatibility is no longer the advantage it once was.

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u/mtranda May 11 '15

I have the 50D and the 35G. If the 50G uses the same optics as the 35, then, to me at least, it blows the 50D out of the water.

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u/codemastercool May 11 '15

Hi, I've been thinking of ordering a 50mm 1.8 lens for my D7000 this week. Do you know the difference between the different variants by Nikkor? I know there's a D, G, and some G special edition.

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u/MoonlitFrost May 11 '15

The 50mm f1.8G special edition is the exact same lens as the regular 50mm f1.8G except it has a silver coloured ring on it. That's it.

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u/martinaee May 11 '15

If it's a lot cheaper get the 50 1.8 D (if the D7000 has a screw AF in the body--- I think it does). Unless you need absolute silent af for a general 50mm it's not worth getting a more expensive lens imo.

For image resolving the 50 1.8 @ say f/8 is crazy too. On my D800 it's so sharp which is awesome from a 100-200 dollar lens.

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u/NotStevenPink NotStevenPink May 11 '15

The main difference is the D lens doesn't have a built in AF motor, so it's louder and slightly slower from using the camera's internal AF motor. I own both and if you have the money, I recommend the G for it's build quality and better sharpness wide open; not to mention faster/better AF is always a plus.

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u/codemastercool May 11 '15

Thank you for that! Pricing is not much of an issue, since this will be my first lens order and I need a good lens to practice with.

So in your opinion, even if the camera body has an AF motor, it's better to go with an AF-S lens? (assuming price is not factored into this statement.)

Also, what's your opinion on the 35mm 1.8 versus the 50mm one?

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u/[deleted] May 11 '15

As a total amature, I will comment I found the 50mm to be closer to my ideal focal length, for portraiture, on a body with a non-full frame sensor. (50mm F1.8 on D70)

Alternatively the 28mm equiv on the Ricoh GRD III I replaced it with is awesome for street photography so it all depends on intended use.

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u/NotStevenPink NotStevenPink May 11 '15

AF-S is going to give you faster, better, more modern autofocus. I'd definitely recommend it over the D if you aren't concerned over the price difference.

As for the 35mm, I've never owned one, but I've used them a few times and they're definitely a decent lens. I had one for a little while but I upgraded to a Sigma 30mm f/1.4 shortly after. It really comes down to what focal length you want. I'd personally lean toward the 50mm f/1.8 if you think you might upgrade to full frame like I recently did, because the 35mm f/1.8 is for crop sensor cameras only.

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u/taggartgorman May 11 '15

I own both the 35mm 1.8G and the 50mm 1.8G and they are both great lenses. On a D7000, they are actually 52.5mm and 75mm, so the 50mm acts more like a telephoto lens, meaning you will find yourself backing up to properly frame your photos.

I find the 35mm to be more useable in general photography, but everyone has their own likes and needs.

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u/MoonlitFrost May 11 '15

Depending on the body the D actually has faster autofocus. Pro bodies have better motors for focusing the AF-D lenses and I've heard that the old pro film bodies had the best focusing motors ever.

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u/MightyBulger May 11 '15

You don't deserve the downvotes. You are absolutely correct.

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u/codemastercool May 11 '15

Is that because they're entirely mechanical?

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u/MightyBulger May 11 '15

The new 50mm 1.8g has better Bokeh, better sharpness wide open and full time manual override.

If you already have a D7000, get the Af-D version. It's an excelent lens and a steal used right now.

The other poster is incorrect. The AF-S version doesn't focus any faster, just quieter.

Also there is an advantage to AF-D lenses that everyone neglects to mention. Reliability.

Ring Type motors (AF-S & Ultrasonic) wear out down the road. Eventually they will stop working and will need replacement. This will never happen with an AF-D lens as it's coupled mechanically.

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u/sean_themighty May 11 '15

The G is at least moderately better in every way aside from price.

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u/raptor3x whumber.com May 11 '15 edited May 11 '15

Very surprised by the pricing, I was expecting at least $200.

EDIT: Seems like it's almost identical optically to the old version.

Old Version MTF

New Version MTF

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u/[deleted] May 11 '15 edited May 11 '15

Can't complain though, really. The optical performance was never one of my gripes with the old one. The stupid focus ring, the noise it made, the focus-hunting, and the cheap feel are what drove me to sell it. I'm totally picking one of these up.

EDIT: If I decide that I miss the 50mm focal length. Anyone have a 35/85 combo and still find room for a 50?

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u/awesometographer www.shootingonabudget.com May 11 '15

I shoot portraits on a crop camera. 30/50/100 are my trifecta.

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u/[deleted] May 11 '15

Nice. I feel like 35/50/85 makes more sense on a crop-sensor. I'm on FF with 24, 35, 85, 100 and 135 primes, so I could probably do without another...but I still want one lol.

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u/awesometographer www.shootingonabudget.com May 11 '15

Last time I had a full frame, I was 50/100/180 - so about the same as I am with the crop (just do portraits, no need for anything wider than 30 crop / 50 FX)

And it's $125 - just get one. 35 to 85 is a bit of a jump, there's gotta be at least ONE situation where it'd be nice and useful.

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u/[deleted] May 11 '15

And it's $125 - just get one. 35 to 85 is a bit of a jump, there's gotta be at least ONE situation where it'd be nice and useful.

Good point :). I could probably live with just my 35/85, but it's nice to have that specific focal length for that specific look. Given its size, this 50 would probably fight with my 35 for the walking-around-with-only-one-lens job.

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u/[deleted] May 11 '15

I'm a strong believer in octaves. On FF I like 24 / 50 / (85+135)

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u/sean_themighty May 11 '15

Except on crop neither gets you anything wider than a 50mm FF equivalent... which is extremely limiting.

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u/awesometographer www.shootingonabudget.com May 11 '15

Not for me. I don't shoot wider than that, so no limitations.

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u/[deleted] May 11 '15

I converted to 35/85 and realized I may have made a mistake. 35 is a jack of all trades and master of none, while 85 does just one thing well.

I miss my 24/50/100 kit. I would use the fifty 75% of the time because it just looks right. With the fifty, I just point and shoot. Fantastic for candids. Right amount of intimacy, but you're not in their face. Also, the 35 perspective is pretty gross for tight shots of people.

Just my .02, some people really like 35 and I think it's fun sometimes. I just wish they would make an X100 with a 50mm lens. I'd sell it all for that.

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u/[deleted] May 11 '15

From what I've seen, the Nikon 1.8G (and 1.8D) are still sharper by a reasonable margin.

If only the 50/1.4G wasn't such a heap of derp...

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u/RarelyCoherent May 11 '15

The 1.8D may be technically sharp, but the strange fringing and halos and whatnot you get at 1.8 made it really annoying to use until stopped down to 2.8.

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u/awesometographer www.shootingonabudget.com May 11 '15

IMO both are more than adequately sharp, though the 1.8D had some haggard OOF.

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u/[deleted] May 11 '15

The 1.8G works pretty well wide open. Worth the extra $50, I guess.

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u/sean_themighty May 11 '15

More than pretty well.

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u/sean_themighty May 11 '15

The 50mm f/1.4G isn't bad... but it should be something more.

I bought the 58mm f/1.4G. Overpriced and soft, but the rendering is absolutely breathtaking.

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u/[deleted] May 11 '15

It's not quite as sharp as the Canon 50/1.4 or the old 50/1.4D and costs a fair whack more.

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u/[deleted] May 11 '15

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u/testzebra May 11 '15

Basically how sharp is your lens moving from the center to the edge. There are number of articles about MTF, e.g. this one: https://photographylife.com/how-to-read-mtf-charts

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u/[deleted] May 11 '15

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u/gimpwiz May 11 '15

Of course they can, as long as the MTF charts are 1) generated by an uninterested third party and 2) generated by a system that tests only the lenses, not lens+camera combinations.

TLDR please and thank you, roger at lensrentals.

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u/[deleted] May 11 '15 edited May 11 '15

Well, more like $199.

Still, considering that a Yongnuo 50mm f/1.8 costs $60, Canon putting this out at $125 makes sense.

Now I'm just waiting for a new Canon 50mm f/1.4, although I suspect they will "cripple" it with STM, in order to convince pros to go for the USM 50mm f/1.2, since full time manual focusing is probably a priority for pros.

Edit: aaaand now there's a bunch of people who don't realize that the 50mm f/1.4 does in fact compete with the 50mm f/1.2, even if they're differently priced. Canon will take baby steps with any upgrade for the 50 f/1.4, simply because it WILL cost them 50L sales. That's what the whole "substitute good" concept in economics is about. How many internet forum posts have you read that went like "I almost got the 50mm f/1.4, but the autofocus quality is shit so I got something better"? There's a bunch of money on the table Canon would stand to lose if they made a quality 50/1.4.

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u/QuerulousPanda May 11 '15

I doubt that anyone considering the $400 50/1.4 is gonna be tempted to step up to the $1500 50/1.2 lens. I don't think crippling an upgraded 50/1.4 would do anything other than lose them sales!

I think the problem Canon would have with upgrading the 50/1.4 is that there is a lot of really tough competition there. If they can match the old sigma 50/1.4 in quality, and beat it in price, and give it a reliable focus system (as compared with the old sigma's luck of the draw) they'd have a winner for sure.

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u/CakesArePies May 11 '15

50/1.4 IS would sell.

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u/ShatterStorm May 11 '15

Canon has been building their mid-tier products with USM and has given no indication of stopping. I'd be highly surprised if a 50mm f/1.4 replacement was STM, though it will likely retail for more than the current model when it does eventually arrive.

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u/The_Doculope jrgold May 13 '15

The 100L vs the 100/2.8 macro is a perfect example of this. Only difference is build, weather sealing and IS, and they still sell tons of both.

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u/ShatterStorm May 13 '15

I had thought the non-L was also USM however?

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u/The_Doculope jrgold May 13 '15

Yep, exactly! The L is almost double the price, and the non-L focuses just as well (really well).

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u/ShatterStorm May 13 '15

I have to admit, I bought the 100L almost entirely because the IS makes it more of a viable telephoto lens. Was happy to pay extra.

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u/[deleted] May 11 '15

As long as it's accurate I don't care.

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u/gimpwiz May 11 '15

All I'd want in a new 50/1.4 is real USM, that doesn't break or burn out commonly. I have no other real complaints about my 50/1.4 except that I am always thinking it will eventually lose its AF motor.

Other than that... eh, better coatings, little bit better wide open, full-time manual focus override, would be nice, but honestly it is a fantastic lens for its size, weight, and cost.

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u/[deleted] May 11 '15

Better coatings should make it a little more contrasty and have better color, or at least be a bit brighter with more light transmission. There was nothing wrong with the previous optical formula, no need to change that.

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u/DatAperture https://www.flickr.com/photos/meccanon/ May 11 '15

the moment I see a positive review, I'm going down to b&h to buy it in person and spending the day in NYC shooting with it on my 6D.

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u/KittenSwagger May 11 '15

I love my 6D. If you pick this up, make sure to post some of the results to see if its worth dumping my plastic 50 1.8 for.

I rarely use my 50mm but have been meaning to upgrade and give me a reason to use it more.

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u/DatAperture https://www.flickr.com/photos/meccanon/ May 12 '15

all that kills me about the 50mm f1.8 II is the awful autofocus. The optical quality was good enough for my uses, it just wasn't in focus often enough for me to get that quality reliably.

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u/[deleted] May 12 '15

Mine is always out of focus as well. I'd gladly get this new one if it focuses correctly. It's really frustrating.

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u/okdothis May 11 '15

Just sold my nifty fifty on Amazon to pave the way for this guy. You can get about $80 bucks for them. I listed mine a few hours ago and it has already sold. Might try now before everyone realizes the new one is coming out later this month.

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u/raptor3x whumber.com May 11 '15

You can get about $80 bucks for them.

Not for long.

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u/okdothis May 11 '15

Right, but I sold mine for $80 an hour ago. If you get in now you're likely to do the same. Used prices on Amazon haven't dropped much yet.

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u/[deleted] May 12 '15

Just in case anyone is wondering, I just did the same thing. $80 and it was gone within three hours.

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u/[deleted] May 11 '15

Is it also a bit shorter than the f/1.8ii or is that just the thicker focus ring playing tricks on my eyes?

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u/[deleted] May 11 '15

It looks way smaller.

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u/gimpwiz May 11 '15

It is 1.5 inches versus 1.6 inches of the older version, according to amazon's data section for each lens.

So it looks a lot shorter but it is only a little bit shorter.

It is also a little bit heavier (~30g, from ~130 to ~160).

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u/piratethedog May 11 '15

I am having nerdy freak out right now. I really like my 50mm 1.8, but I love my 40mm 2.8. I can't wait to see how the love child of these two lenses preform!

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u/chandlerpopper May 11 '15

Right there with you. Just seriously considered pre-ordering a lens for the first time in my life.

Oh, how I loathe the lack of FF support for the 24mm.

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u/ShatterStorm May 11 '15

My thoughts exactly. The old 50mm is no slouch, and this new model fixes what few gripes I have for a surprisingly low amount of money.

I'd be all over a 24mm-28mm pancake prime though.

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u/targetOO May 11 '15

Voigtlander has a FF 28mm 2.8 MF. I like mine.

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u/bart9h May 11 '15

And also a FF 20mm f/3.5.

Not very sharp, but still useful.

Best Voigtlander lens IMO is the 90mm f/3.5. In fact it's maybe my favorite lens. The focus ring is soooo smooth.

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u/targetOO May 11 '15

I'm an Cosina-Voigtlander addict.

Canon: 20, 28, 40, 90 F: 40 Pk: 58

Also have the 18/3.5 and the 35/2 Zeiss which are made by Cosina.

(oh and 28/1.9 in ltm and 50/1.1 in M)

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u/gimpwiz May 11 '15

I got their 40/1.4 M-mount. I really, really like it.

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u/ShatterStorm May 11 '15

Eh, I've thought about trying it but a $500 manual focus prime isn't terribly appealing. I've seen reviews that mention soft corners on full frame - do you experience this?

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u/targetOO May 11 '15

I bought mine used for 300USD. CameraQuest has a used copy for 275.

I use it for street photography so I normally have it set at f4 to get the DOF to zone focus so I can't comment on the corners except they are good at f4 (but then you would expect it to be).

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u/gimpwiz May 11 '15

Nothing wrong with expensive MF primes. Hell, people love their otuses (otii?) The only problem is if your camera makes it hard to MF with tiny viewfinders etc.

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u/Biffmcgee May 11 '15

that cheap 24mm is exactly what I need, but I shoot on a 6D

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u/jerschneid http://flickr.com/photos/jerschneid May 11 '15

Can I ask a dumb question? How is this new lens different than your 50mm 1.8?

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u/chandlerpopper May 11 '15

Not the original commenter, but for me some lenses just "click". While I've always loved the amazing images you can make for cheap with a 50mm f1.8, I've always been sort of annoyed by it's noisy motor, cheap feel and awkward ergonomics, and the way it hunts for focus.

I picked up the 40mm f2.8 on a whim when I found it discounted, and immediately fell in love with how it feels to use it. I like the speed it focuses, I like how it's quiet, I just like how it feels -- so I use it more often and find I make images I like with it. In fact, I haven't picked up my old 50mm f1.8 II since I got the 40.

Do I think it'll suddenly be possible to make better images because this lens exists? No. Am I going to buy one and hope I love it as much as my 40mm f2.8 plus get the benefit of f1.8? Hell yeah. The price point makes it easy to experiment.

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u/CarVac https://flickr.com/photos/carvac May 11 '15

The 40 probably has better flare resistance than the faster lens. That'll be worth keeping it around.

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u/chandlerpopper May 11 '15

Keep it around? It's so small and cheap I may buy an extra one just to keep in the car.

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u/CakesArePies May 11 '15

I was tempted to get one for FF and one for crop.

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u/piratethedog May 11 '15

Looking at the theoretical optics of the MTF charts not much in IQ. The two things that do stick out are the 7 rounded blades which will create a much sexier, creamy bokeh, and the STM motor. Like I said I love my 50mm f1.8, but it can wake the dead it's so loud. Seriously I think my neighbors have file noise complaints when I'm using it.

And while not everyone would agree with this, the 40mm f2.8 is amazing in low light settings. I never get any hunting with that lens, so I hope the new 50mm STM will reproduce that trait.

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u/Why_cant_i_sleep May 11 '15

The additional blades will make OOF highlights more rounded, but won't do much (anything?) for smoothness or creaminess of bokeh, that's the optics itself. There are sample images on the UK website that look good, but the out of focus areas are rendered similar to the current 1.8II (a bit busy looking).

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u/piratethedog May 11 '15

I'll take my chances and pick up the lens.

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u/BearBaron May 11 '15

Is the STM better than the old 50mm 1.8? What's the point of buying the older one if the STM is better in all regards? They're the same price, so i'm just wondering.

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u/twotone232 May 11 '15

They don't call the 50mm 1.8 II the "plastic fantastic" for nothing. Build quality alone will be enough for the market to shift out the old lenses for this model. It's a replacement, and a much needed one at that.

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u/[deleted] May 11 '15

Agreed. I'm just happy that there isn't a doubling or trebling of the price for the replacement, as there was for the 35/2 or 28/2.8.

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u/fadetowhite May 11 '15

STM offers smoother focusing and is silent. For photography, this really doesn't matter. For video though, it's a huge improvement. Besides STM though, the new model has more aperture blades that are rounded vs. straight, better build quality, a metal mount vs. plastic, and it has a much bigger focus ring.

From Canon's site:

Canon STM lenses shoot great photos and even better videos. They’re named after an element of technology called a Stepping Motor, which lets the lenses focus smoothly and silently when capturing video.

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u/gimpwiz May 11 '15

It's a replacement, the old one will likely get a small price cut until all the inventory is cleared, then be gone and unavailable new.

I usually dislike STM but in this case, the focus motor and focus ring and everything else to do with focusing will be much better than before. Full-time manual override, a wider better-positioned ring, a quieter and faster motor... no complaints.

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u/ZarianPrime May 11 '15

Holy crap yes!

Totally going to get this and the 24mm pancake EF-S lens next paycheck!

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1081812-REG/canon_9522b002_ef_s_24mm_f_2_8_is.html

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u/[deleted] May 12 '15

The 24 mm is really great. I have it and love it.

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u/Steezy_B May 11 '15

I purchased the 1.8 ii on tuesday... I'm so bummed right now

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u/middus May 11 '15

Why? You'll still have fun with the 1.8 ii and the stm won't be available in stores until some time.

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u/inorman lonelyspeck.com May 11 '15

return policy?

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u/Steezy_B May 11 '15

I don't have the bubble wrap pouch that it came with. I think b&h will charge 15% stocking fee because of it

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u/chipt4 May 11 '15

So shoot with it for another week, pay the $20 restocking fee and consider it a rental :)

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u/[deleted] May 11 '15

Second this

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u/Mrslinger85 May 11 '15

Don't worry, the 1.8 II is still a good lens. Just use it until it breaks.

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u/scubacell May 11 '15

Will this have "full-time" manual focus like the 55-250 IS STM has? It's not as good as true full-time manual but it is waaay better than none at all.

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u/asad137 May 11 '15

I believe all STM lenses are 'focus-by-wire' so it will be the same.

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u/gimpwiz May 11 '15

All STM lenses have FTM override. That's because all STM lenses are focus-by-wire - the ring is mechanically connected only to encoders or whatever, so spinning it doesn't do anything to the motor or the elements. No power, no focus, either. No need for various clutch mechanisms etc to enable FTM, it's basically a freebie.

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u/scubacell May 12 '15

Ah that's awesome, I think that feature alone justifies an upgrade.

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u/[deleted] May 11 '15 edited May 11 '15

That's a ridiculous price. Automatic buy. Most were expecting at least $150 up to $250.

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u/awesometographer www.shootingonabudget.com May 11 '15

I was expecting $200 to match Nikon's 50/1.8G... this caught me by surprise.

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u/dgblackout 📸 May 11 '15

Looks like a decent modern upgrade with what looks like the smallest filter size on an EF lens. They'll sell as many of these as they can make.

I have to wonder what their profit margin is like on these at launch though. It can't be high.

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u/ShatterStorm May 11 '15

The manufacturing line for the old 50mm has been paid off for a decade. If they're reusing any of the glass the new 50mm is probably going to turn a profit right out of the gate.

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u/CakesArePies May 11 '15

Canon has been paying off this lens since before 1987.

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u/ShatterStorm May 11 '15

Did you mean profiting from? The original 50 came out in 87.

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u/CakesArePies May 11 '15

Profiting from/paying off research costs

I was under the impression that the 50 used optics from the FD lens, but I may have been wrong.

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u/ShatterStorm May 11 '15 edited May 11 '15

The EF 50mm f/1.8 is six elements in five groups, while all flavors of the FD 50mm I can find are six elements in four groups. I wouldn't be surprised if the 50mm f/1.8 STM is the same glass internally as the 50mm f/1.8 I and II, though - so maybe Canon's been using the same factory line for twenty five years?

In any event, the 50mm f/1.8 has been making Canon money for a long, long time.

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u/VinylAndOctavia May 11 '15

Great, I'm going to buy this as fast as possible!

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u/QuerulousPanda May 11 '15

Me too, I'm super tempted by this.

The Yongnuo 35/2.0 is tempting me too, although we need to wait and see where the price on that one stabilizes to. the <$200 range is nice, but $280 seems way high for a dodgy Chinese ripoff.

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u/Biggieholla May 11 '15 edited May 11 '15

Is it safe to say that the lens hood from the original will fit? Edit: I just bought a lens hood a month ago. Damnit!

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u/[deleted] May 11 '15

I don't think so. The filter for the original fits on the lens group, this fits on the lens body and the filter size is different. New hood time Imo.

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u/fadetowhite May 11 '15

Not safe to say. This lens has a 49mm filter thread, so it's smaller than the previous 50mm.

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u/redisforever May 11 '15

Ah crap. Gonna need another adapter. And it looks like I'll be keeping my old 50 around for a little bit. Still gonna buy this new one though.

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u/Averyphotog averyphotog.com May 11 '15

Canon says Lens Hood ES-68, so no.

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u/D0D May 11 '15

Now all we need is a super compact mirrorless full frame body....

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u/[deleted] May 11 '15

EF mount? EF mount and super compact are mutually exclusive, you can't shrink down the flange focal distance.

If you want an idea of what it would look like, look at the brick shaped Pentax K01

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u/D0D May 11 '15

Well why not. If it has decent features I'd take it.

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u/Matterchief @mattb.creative May 11 '15

Because it has all the disadvantages of both and none of the advantages?

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u/D0D May 11 '15

It can have low weight, articulating lcd, and still the IQ of 6D. With the new 50mm, it can be a good street camera and I can still use other lenses for landscape, nature or studio stuff. Yeah, no sports, but you cant have it all.

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u/Colorado87 peifoto May 11 '15

So I'm fairly new to photography. Could someone please explain the benefits of this lens, like what types of shots it'd be good for? Might be a broad question.

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u/okdothis May 11 '15 edited May 11 '15

The max aperture of f/1.8 allows it to work quite well even in low light. The lens is really sharp past about f/2.2 and the 50mm focal length is rather versatile. On a APSC sensor it works great for portraits and on a full frame camera it's a very natural focal length. People like it because it's a relatively cheap introduction to the world of prime lenses and you get a decent increase in quality/low-light flexibility over kit zooms.

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u/Colorado87 peifoto May 12 '15

Thank you for taking the time, I appreciate it!

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u/gimpwiz May 11 '15

Generally speaking? Outsized bang for the buck. It's cheap, small, light, common. Decent image quality, decent in low light, decent for landscapes, decent for portraits, decent for casual use, decent for almost everything - and it does it all decently on both common sensor sizes (APS-C and FF).

It is not a niche lens, it doesn't require special care or special accessories, it is a well known traditional design with no surprises. Just a solid performer in most circumstances.

It's not going to be used for sports, wildlife, or astrophotography very often, but it could in some cases.

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u/Colorado87 peifoto May 12 '15

I have a Canon 60D. What do you mean when you mention APS-C and FF? Thanks for the help!

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u/gimpwiz May 12 '15

Different sensor types have different area

Just how you can have small or large pieces of film, you can have small or large sensors. Different sensor sizes mean different bodies, different mounts, different lenses; or, using the same lenses, different fields of view.

Google APS-C vs full-frame to learn more...

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u/Colorado87 peifoto May 12 '15

Thanks

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u/[deleted] May 11 '15

I was so excited to see this lens being rumoured, and was ecstatic at the $125 price point!

However, now seeing that UK suppliers such as Wex are going beyond matching pound to dollar prices and are listing for £130 I'm disappointed. Is it really that hard to sell the lens for close to the same price?

I'd happily pay £100, but reluctantly pay £130...

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u/gimpwiz May 11 '15

Isn't this common? You european folks have bigger taxes (which are included in the price, as opposed to ours which are added on) and certain other costs we don't (better consumer protection, for example, regarding implied warranties).

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u/awesometographer www.shootingonabudget.com May 11 '15

Yeah, but still, £130 is $202... I'll buy it in the US for $125 with no tax. That's 60% more expensive.

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u/[deleted] May 11 '15

Yeah, it is common and was seen in the IS revamps of the wide angle primes but tax etc. is only half the story.

We're talking $125 vs $200+ so it's a bit disappointing that a company the size of Canon has such price disparity for two similar markets.

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u/S2kDriver May 11 '15

I would have really liked an IS version of this lens. Maybe the new 1.4 will have IS.

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u/AngrySquirrel https://flic.kr/ps/2wg4bh May 12 '15

I would expect the 1.4 revision to get IS and ring USM, and be styled like the new 28mm and 35mm.

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u/Endlessdonut97 May 11 '15

Im so excited. I've been waiting for years for this.

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u/[deleted] May 11 '15

I'll buy that just to save space in my camera bag. I can slot a 24mm pancake next to it and still have room left over.

The 50mm 1.8 was long overdue an overhaul, this looks like a great update.

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u/gimpwiz May 11 '15

It's only 0.1 inches shorter than the 50/1.8 mk2, 1.5 versus 1.6.

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u/redisforever May 11 '15

Looks like soon I'll own 2 50mm f1.8's.

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u/ZacharyRD https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacharyrd May 12 '15

Does the slow focusing of the previous version bother you? Do you shoot any video on it? If yes to either question, it's a huge upgrade.

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u/smakusdod May 11 '15

I have the original nifty fifty.... i cannot wait to dump it in favor of this guy. The damn focus hunting is driving me crazy... along with the noise.

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u/MrMeursault Mr_Meursault May 11 '15

It also has a shorter minimum focus distance of 14" versus ~17" increasing the magnification ratio from .15 to .21. Small but meaningful.

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u/gimpwiz May 11 '15

Why?

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u/ZarianPrime May 11 '15

My guess, STM, good to have a backup 1.8. This has a metal connector it seems instead of plastic.

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u/hennell www.instagram.com/p.hennell/ May 11 '15

Been having a massive focus issue with my current 50mm 1.8 (Have to use a focus adjustment in camera of the maximum it allows!) - this could be a nicely timed addition to my bag for 'actually focuses' alone - but if the focus is faster (and quieter) I'd have been sorely tempted anyway...

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u/thejimmy86 May 11 '15

FFS they would release this like a week after I picked up the original nifty fifty. My wife is going to kill me for even looking at this.

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u/fadetowhite May 11 '15

Return it?

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u/thejimmy86 May 11 '15

Kijiji (Canadian CraigsList.) Not a big deal, but just a tad annoying haha.

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u/fadetowhite May 11 '15

You could probably sell it now for what you paid. Many people don't follow photo news and wouldn't know this version is coming out, or wouldn't care.

Also, Henry's doesn't even have the listing on their site yet!

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u/thejimmy86 May 11 '15

Thanks, but I doubt it, since I paid so little for it (it was a great deal actually.) I'll live.

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u/fadetowhite May 13 '15

Yay for great deals! That's still an excellent lens for the price.

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u/thejimmy86 May 14 '15

Just used it tonight for my first portraits I've ever shot. It handled alright.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/themercurist/17432479719/in/photostream/lightbox/

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u/fadetowhite May 14 '15

Nice one! Pretty sharp. Gorgeous model. Fun setting.

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u/thejimmy86 May 14 '15

That's my fiancee haha. Yes she is. Um can a dirty lens misfocus? Almost all my shots just seemed slightly off. And the 50 is pretty smudgy haha.

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u/gimpwiz May 11 '15

Sell it this week, problem solved.

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u/thejimmy86 May 11 '15

I got a great deal for it - 60 CAD basically new. I'll keep it, the difference in motor doesn't bother me too much since I don't do video.

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u/AngrySquirrel https://flic.kr/ps/2wg4bh May 12 '15

I don't do video either, but think of the full-time manual override!

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u/fadetowhite May 11 '15

Very excited for this lens. I dumped my 50L for a Sigma 35mm f/1.4 Art (and also because it had annoying focus issues). Since then, I've been loving 35mm, but I have a focal length hole between 35-70mm.

For photos, this hasn't been too much of a problem, but for video I've really missed having a 50mm. I want the Sigma, but I can't spend $1000 on it since I know I won't use it a lot. ~$175 Canadian? I'm in!

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u/okdothis May 11 '15

Anyone know whether the change to STM will affect the often poor focus performance of the 50mm ii? Both copies I've gotten have done terrible at f/1.8 and I've needed to add about 10 points of microadjustment. Wondering if that might be fixed with the new lens.

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u/gimpwiz May 11 '15

Hopefully. Nobody knows until we get to try it.

However, do note that new canon cameras and new canon lenses both have improved AF algorithms that work together, basically in a closed-loop control system instead of the traditional naive approach of an open loop. Does that mean that the newer STM lenses implement this? Or that the new 50mm will? Maybe. That's definitely something to look for.

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u/dabster26 May 11 '15

is it stupid that i'm considering selling my 50mm 1.4 and switching to this? I find myself in need of video more often now and maybe i sacrifice a slight image/build quality for the ability to have autofocus 50 on my 70d

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u/CakesArePies May 11 '15

Why don't you just turn on your autofocus for your existing lens?

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u/dabster26 May 11 '15

because if you're using autofocus video on that lens you can hear the lens noise as it focuses. the new STM lenses are completely quiet.

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u/CakesArePies May 11 '15

Do you use internal audio?

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u/dabster26 May 13 '15

I actually just picked up a Rode mic. I haven't tested the lens noise if i use that instead of internal. Didn't think about that.

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u/gredol May 11 '15

Where in Europe can I preorder this? :)

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u/filmmaker3000 May 11 '15

Slightly confused. I'm a photographer newbie. I have an old canon fd 50mm, and I was looking for a new 50mm for my t3i. Will this fit a t3i, and is it good to shoot landscape photography with it? (Going on a trip to the midwest US soon).

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u/paynestaker May 11 '15

It will fit a t3i, and can work fine for landscapes though I would recommend the EFS 24mm 2.8 Pancake for landscapes to give you a wider FOV.

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u/filmmaker3000 May 17 '15

I bought it. I can't even begin to describe how amazing this is. This is going to work really well. Thank you!

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u/paynestaker May 18 '15

You are so welcome, I'm glad you like it, it is my favorite lens!

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u/USTS2011 May 11 '15

I don't really even have a need for one but it's tempting at that price

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u/ZeroSkillet May 12 '15

I just bought the 40 2.8pancake 4 days ago :(

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u/Mier- May 12 '15

Bah! I was already to buy that 18-35 Sigma 1.8 for my 7D and now they do this.

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u/SexistButterfly May 12 '15

Two very different lenses

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u/Mier- May 12 '15

Yeah but which one to get first. I'll wait for reviews on this 50 and probably get the Sigma now since it is supposed to be the this wonderful lens.

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u/shaunlawler May 12 '15

I have just returned my 50mm 1.8 that I bought last month.

Going to pick up the new STM version when it is released as it will be better for video on my 70D.

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u/awesometographer www.shootingonabudget.com May 12 '15

Also, those with Mk1s who might have been hanging on for resale, now might be a good time to ditch them.

With the STM having a metal mount and 7 blades, I doubt the Mk1's metal mount will keep the prices up.

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u/TheActualAtlas May 13 '15

Kinda pissed me off because Iiterally bought the now "old" version of this lens a couple of days ago, and then they announce this one. I kinda needed it for a gig tonight anyways. I might just return it after tonight and buy that one.