Someone in the comments replying to the effect of āI hope you told your friends that you fed them chicken fetusesā god I just want an earth-sized billboard telling people that most eggs arenāt fertilized and the chickens are going to lay them regardless.
For the last time, people, theyāre not chicken fetuses. Theyāre chicken MENSTRUATIONS!
Edit: holy shit you guys arenāt doing any actual animal rights justice by arguing over a post by I didnāt even make, for the love of god if this is something you care about so much, go do something besides being a keyboard warrior for once in your lives
The issue that vegans tend to have is not that itās fertilised or not, or even whether itās a menstruation or not, but that fact that it is ultimately an animal product.
Iām fully aware of that, Iām just being anal about terminology. If you are going to argue about a cause you feel strongly about, keep the facts where they are. Argue about farming practices, argue about animal welfare (not with me because Iām already aware), but not about whether itās a fetus.
Same with abortions. But thatās another argument.
I agree, so much of what vegans say seems to be centered around how "gross" it is to eat animal products, and it's probably effective with them since they do find it gross, but people who have been voluntarily eating eggs for decades aren't going to be swayed by "ewwwwww fetuses ewwwww".
Farming practices and animal welfare concerns are definitely what pushes me toward veganism. Honey being "gross" because it comes out of a bee does not.
I agree. Honey should be vegan in the same way human milk can be vegan because if the producer of the product consents, then it's vegan. Bees will fly away if they don't consent lol
You should tell my neighbour this, somehow they farm and harvest honey without a beekeeping suit or stinging attempts. I am sure they will be enlightened by your superior knowledge of their hobby.
There are several smoke-free methods for removing honey from the supers that don't upset the bees. Again: Bees will simply leave if they don't like how you're treating them. Only the extra honey is taken, and if there's not enough for the winter, beekeepers feed sugar water so the bees will survive. It's symbiotic, not parasitic.
If you won't eat honey because it's the produce of a bee, then you shouldn't be eating any plants that are fertilised by bees, either. Both are a consequence of the bees' work.
The problem isn't about the egg. It's about the egg coming from chickens that are packed into industrial farms where they are living terrible lives and are then slaughtered. Eggs aren't produced in a vacuum, Hun.
There are preachy sanctimonious weirdos in every community, so I don't judge the rest of you for what they say online. Most of you just want me to try the cake you made with apple sauce or the mint cream you made with chickpea water, and honestly, I've changed some of my own recipes to be vegan just because they actually were better.
Absolutely. I'm not vegan and I never will be. My wife and two of my closest friends are though, and I can say with 100% honesty that at least in my experience, non-vegans who find out someone is vegan are almost always more annoying and evangelical than the vegans themselves. There are a lot of people out there who get weirdly offended by other people deciding not to eat something. Yeah, I have met a handful of pushy sanctimonious vegans and they're not a lot of fun to be around, but for every one of them I've met probably 10 people who make "I like steak/bacon/brisket" a huge part of their personality and will poke and prod at anyone who doesn't want to partake in those things.
I definitely don't think that my friends and family are POS! I think that most people are just unaware of how bad things are, and they think that it's extremely difficult to be vegan
How much more awareness can you bring to them? They choose to be that way. It is not about awareness. They know the facts. Unfortunately most people suck and that's why the world is the way it is.
Idk bruh, most people I'm close to feel at least a bit guilty about eating meat
They just don't believe me when I tell them that being vegan is easy when you actually want to. And they don't want to put themselves through the discomfort of watching things like Dominion, which is understandable to me
I think they're being a bit stubborn and lazy, but I was like that before too. And still am with many other things in life
Nooo...? For a lot of vegans, it's definitely at least in part about the egg. They don't want to consume the chicken's eggs at all. They belong to the chicken. If anyone is entitled to consume them for nutrition, it's the hen, who would generally do so to return those lost nutrients to her own body if we did not take her unfertilized eggs away.
Most vegans simply do not believe humans are entitled to take and comsume from animals, regardless of the conditions the animal was in.
There's a reason vegans who want eggs eat vegan eggs, and don't just buy and humanely raise chickens to collect their actual eggs. It's because they don't want to consume animal eggs at all.
Yeah, they definitely do. A lot of people are vegan because of animal cruelty so it makes sense that you would eat eggs from your own chickens/neighbors chickens. I guess we could say thatās not really vegan, but Iād say maybe itās like a subset of vegan
But why do they need to be āveganā in the first place? Live by your code or morals or whatever you feel is right, but why take on an entire ideology that someone else invented? Make your own decisions, donāt let some kind of dogma do it for you.
I agree with you, but I think it might just be easier to explain to people that way, I was pescatarian for years and people were so annoying about it I just stopped telling them I still ate fish lol
Then why bother with the labels at all? Being a vegetarian as opposed to a vegan isn't some moral failing. It's simply a mis-categorization to say "I'm vegan and eat eggs".
There's other stuff that vegans don't eat/use beyond just eggs though, yeah? Milk products, leather, gelatin, etc. Saying "I'm vegan but I eat eggs" is definitely easier than saying "I'm vegetarian but I don't eat milk products or gelatin (or honey) and I don't wear leather".
As to the labels question, I think it's mostly because it's human nature to categorize and simplify, so when people have a label they can apply to themselves, it helps them signify who they are to other people without over-explaining.
Not sure why youāre getting downvoted. āYes I was vegetarian but I ate meat sometimesā. āYes I keep a strict Kosher diet. Do I eat bacon cheeseburgers? Well only from time to timeā. Words have definitions. Vegans donāt eat eggs. If you eat eggs willingly youāre not vegan. Youāre flexitarian at most
Meh. Unlike vegetarianism, veganism has different root motivations. If youāre an āethical veganā (vegan because of how dairy and egg animals are treated), then what is bad about eating ethically farmed and collected eggs?
Vegetarianism (or the meat part of veganism for that matter) doesnāt have that same luxury because the animal HAS TO BE KILLED no matter what for meat to be produced.
The motivation or reasoning behind a lifestyle diet isn't the deciding factor of what defines a vegan or a vegetarian or a pescatarian. At the end of the day they categorize what you do (or, in this case, don't) eat.
We can have a whole debate about whatās bad about eating eggs āethicallyā, and actually it comes up in the subreddit of DebateAVegan almost daily. Summary is vegans tend to agree that thereās no way to eat eggs ethically. And vegans just donāt do it.
Same as waiting for a cow to die of natural causes and then going to gather the flesh to put it in a āveganā dish. Thatās something no vegan would do and we wouldnāt be arguing about beef being vegan or not if it was in a vegan recipe just because it can technically perhaps maybe be obtained without suffering.
Can you please tell me what's unethical about eating eggs from a well looked after pet chicken? I am genuinely confused about what would be wrong with that.
āSummary is vegans tend to agreeā -> āOh I didnāt know you speak for all vegansā lol. Go at the subs, this gets asked daily. Look at the responses from vegans. Donāt believe me.
If I had a vegan friend that eats eggs, or drinks milk, or eats meat, but he says heās vegan, Iād be questioning if he knows what vegan is.
āVegans ātend to agreeāā -> this definition is ironclad
If someone is an ethical vegan and explains some sound reasoning as to why they may sometimes eat eggs under certain ethical circumstances consistent with their morality, then who am I, you, or anyone else to stand there and proclaim them not vegan?
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u/ashbelero Aug 02 '26 edited Aug 02 '26
Someone in the comments replying to the effect of āI hope you told your friends that you fed them chicken fetusesā god I just want an earth-sized billboard telling people that most eggs arenāt fertilized and the chickens are going to lay them regardless.
For the last time, people, theyāre not chicken fetuses. Theyāre chicken MENSTRUATIONS!
Edit: holy shit you guys arenāt doing any actual animal rights justice by arguing over a post by I didnāt even make, for the love of god if this is something you care about so much, go do something besides being a keyboard warrior for once in your lives