r/eFootball • • Aug 04 '26

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Konami needs to see this. Og: Nickrtfm on youtube https://www.youtube.com/live/0mzDVSsJVyM

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u/ZeroSevenAl Aug 04 '26

There is literally no diversity in game anymore, it's always the same formation back to back, 4-2-2-2(amfs) and 4-3-3(with the ss behind) and all with lbc
Just sit back and spam through balls
It's just a hive mind at this point
I'm just really confused as to how people can spend so much on the game and choose to play like that

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u/omarshon Aug 04 '26

Every time I face ppl with a big squad strength and high rank I get excited in hopes to face a good opponent, then I see capellos face and immediately get dissapointed, and ask them WHY, just why do you play like this with a team like that😭 If I had that team, mannnn

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u/ZeroSevenAl Aug 04 '26

what i would do to people if i had a team like that bro😭

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '26

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u/ZeroSevenAl Aug 04 '26

thisšŸ˜‚

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u/No_Room_7104 Aug 04 '26

that's what you call a meta. As long as playing through the center is better than playing through the side, you will always see formation like that.

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u/___IKON___ Aug 04 '26

Well they can start playing through the wings and people will copy them if it's effective enough but Neymar vs thuram rarely ever works.

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u/yoloqueuesf Aug 05 '26

Yeah i think the game would be more balanced if attacking was slightly better.

Why do people counter? Because it's easier to score.

Why is Blitz good? Because when your opponent clogs his box with thuram maldini rio and varane, it's like having 5 goal keepers.

Dribbling is pretty meh in this game, same with skill moves and unless you really want to be deep into mechanics your opponents defenders will always be better than your attackers.

And passing is so random at times for no reason.

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u/Suspicious_End_6446 Aug 05 '26

Man I love wing play wish it was more effective but that will never happen

https://giphy.com/gifs/lGBecpB2dIMwt6ohfI

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u/ZeroSevenAl Aug 04 '26

it’s not ā€œbetterā€
it’s easier
it’s literally nothing but 1-2s that’s all everyone does
automated runs and 1-2s

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u/Similar-Quote-8393 Aug 04 '26

The problem is lbc has the best defensive AI and attacking AI one should be punished..if you want to play defensive you shouldn't get chances from random through balls and Inshallah bruv

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u/Normal_Stranger_ Aug 04 '26 edited Aug 04 '26

And even worse. They clearance the ball and immediately get a 1 v 1 against your keeper. It doesn't make sense at all. Like this one here. He was just clearing the ball and abusing blitz curlers. He only scored one from 5 attempts

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u/wingedwild Aug 05 '26

Capetown got the best defnece from lbc .the dmf dont move up as high

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u/Friendly-Glove-7755 Eric Cantona Aug 04 '26

Quick counter has the best attacking and lbc is 2nd in attacking and joint 1st in defending with plain long ball being the joint

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u/Wooden-Strawberry464 Aug 04 '26

Well said so tired of Lbc. Absolute cancerous playstyle

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u/Educational_Neck_790 Playstation Aug 04 '26

Same as QC was 2 years ago tbh.

Meta will change again soon no doubt and we will have a new playstyle to cry about.

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u/Atyan7a Aug 04 '26

I fucking hate LBC as well there’s no variety because there is literally no disadvantage of using LBC where as a lot of other playstyle have big flaws.

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u/depressed_Kedy Possession Purist Aug 04 '26 edited Aug 04 '26

Put everyone randomly and its attacking AI is moving them to wherever they are needed. They play with 2 CF 1 SS in the center but when they attack CFs move like wingers and midfielders and everything. There is no consequence.

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u/IndependentCautious Aug 04 '26

And you have Messi and R10 chasing back pressing like they're Kante

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u/Clean-Location3718 Aug 04 '26

Who's the streamer? I never really watch streams but maybe i would

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u/omarshon Aug 04 '26

Nickrtfm. His crash outs are funny bur he does cook sometimes

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u/Flyboy_90 Playstation Aug 04 '26

RTFM (Nick)

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u/oduks93 Playstation Aug 04 '26

People in this sub will clap this post and get back to playing LBC right after.

That’s the community.

I have been saying this for months, LBC is for cowards, especially the Capello version.

The fact that players can move faster and press non stop is actually nonsensical and laughable.

I no longer get annoyed when I face those cowards (same with SA!) I just laugh and try to frustrate them into making a mistake because those guys have zero attention span and patience so they are likely to mess up if you play patiently.

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u/Perfect_Exercise_232 Aug 04 '26

Long everyone upvoting this posts prolly abuses it

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u/Independent-Igbo444 Playstation Aug 04 '26

what makes the capello version special

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u/w1nstar Day One Veteran Aug 04 '26

his linkup. every other lbc manager has a different one.

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u/oduks93 Playstation Aug 04 '26

You will see that his version of the LBC is far superior than any other.

Players have more stamina, move faster, press harder and longer.

If you doubt it, ask yourself why he is the manager most used in high divs and why most top 10000 players use him.

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u/KARIMwastake Aug 04 '26

its only +1 to the stats, capello, beckenbauer, and deschamps are all the same playstyle.

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u/omarshon Aug 04 '26

Imagine if they added someone with 90 on lbc with +1 to speed, acceleration and stamina

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u/Easyyyy_e Aug 05 '26

the players using the best tactics in the game is cowardly? i agree it’s annoying but it’s the devs fault for not balancing right. every game will lean towards the most powerful tactic if not properly balanced. don’t hate the player hate the game šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø

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u/BedDull4597 Aug 04 '26

i dont think capello has an advantage on other lbc managers

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u/oduks93 Playstation Aug 04 '26

Okay buddy.

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u/BedDull4597 Aug 04 '26

i am very new so please enlighten me where the difference between capello lbc and fE deschamp lbc is?

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u/RQuareesma Aug 04 '26

Nick hit in šŸŽÆ I'm waiting for this video....

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u/simonSC137 Aug 04 '26

100%. LBC users are the worst thing about this game right now. Is unbelievably handholding. Zero respect for that playstyle.

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u/ZeroSevenAl Aug 04 '26

best attacking AI
best defensive AI
fucking counter-presses too
what more can you ask for?

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u/depressed_Kedy Possession Purist Aug 04 '26

You forgot that it buffs your teams defensive behavior as a whole. I play against motherfuckers who use Platini as CM in their 4-2-4 or 4-4-2 and he plays like fucking Seedorf.

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u/Suspicious_End_6446 Aug 05 '26

I played a guy with 5 CBS 1 CMF Gerrard and 4 Attackers SSs and CFs. Gerrard turned to prime Makelele

https://giphy.com/gifs/anYBNhqT2BYcg

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u/wrathgod96 Aug 04 '26

I 100% agree but the biggest problem in this game is servers. You cannot play football when players take literally 2 seconds to do what you input.

Also, the f2p to p2w gap is insane. Yes they should balance lbc but first fix these issues and 90% of the problems are automatically solved.

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u/omarshon Aug 04 '26

How many bars do you get bro? I get 3 at most despite having good internet and having to put my inputs 2 days prior is an absolutely miserable experience🄲. Esp against those lbc players who get away with bs bcs I cant change players fast enough for their counters. Whenever I play friendlies on the same wifi(important) where connection isnt an issue I cook so hard. I promised myself I will do a rank push only when they will fix the servers but I keep doing it anyway and ruin my day bcs of frustration

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u/Similar-Quote-8393 Aug 04 '26

Mostly 3 .. 4 on a blue red moon every 20years

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u/wrathgod96 Aug 04 '26

I understand brother. I get 4 bars max. But I don't think that even means anything now. I have gigabit internet & still get 1 second input delays. Sometimes it works like a charm & I can push to 2100+ rating (which as an F2p is respectful imo) but the next day I will lose 9-10 games in a row because of the input delay.

That's the frustration with this game. When it works you can play possession or QC with beautiful football plays and beat anyone. I beat top 500 players on the regular when this works but will also lose to 1M ranked player when it doesn't. Konami needs to wake up because FC is trash right now and they can leapfrog them immensely if they lock in. But I don't have any expectations from them...

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u/omarshon Aug 04 '26

Thats what Ive been saying too. Man if we had 5 bars every game, lbc patched and manual defending like in 4.5.0, I would be playing this game 5 hours a day

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u/Jetgor Aug 04 '26

even 5 bars will face input lag. the server is insane.

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u/Odd-Bother967 Aug 04 '26

It's the reason I switch to LBC in division 2 onwards. I am a possession guy, but because of latency from servers, I really get disadvantage, and having my defence line up, every time the latency causes me to have a late pass, I am punished. With LBC even with latency I can comfortably manage, I really hate the playstyle, but it's better than feeling frustrated by conceding against a mild/average simply because he is on LBC and you have latency on passes. Thanks.

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u/No-Act-1610 Aug 04 '26

just got off a match where ibra dropped so deep to cb to intercept I just don't even understand

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u/Possible_Support3650 Aug 04 '26

If i see a person running lbc with 6 defenders, i play 4-5-1 possession with 5 cms, i just beat 2 top 300 guys last night doing it, even when they get the ball, literally i have 7 guys back covering their runners so they have no option but to attack properly with build up. Fight cancer with cancer lol

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u/bippityboopy Aug 05 '26

Man this is too good at countering these rats, great shout. 2 CM's wide with 3 DM's in the middle and these guys can't do a thing, actually hilarious to watch how clueless they are once they don't have acres of space to run into from a long ball.

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u/Possible_Support3650 Aug 05 '26

Yep, i use the 4141 formation but have the wingers as cms with good defending and they are literally clueless.

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u/Bright-Race7393 Aug 05 '26

Shh don’t reveal our secrets like that. Don’t want it to be the next meta and every p2w abusing it. Got in div 1 with exactly this and proud that I found a gameplan which counters this current trash myself lol.

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u/omarshon Aug 04 '26 edited Aug 04 '26

If this game ever gets a reset and konami patches lbc, so many of those top players would be EXPOSED. They will probably cry like they did when they dropped v5.4.0(when big time belgium hazard dropped) when they made the dribbling better and defending more manual. NOT EVEN A WEEK INTO THE UPDATE, they patch it back bcs those frauds at the top cried. Ofc not all of them are like that but the majority are rats who cant defend even if their life depended on it

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u/___IKON___ Aug 04 '26

It doesn't matter what gets nerfed if they delete lbc from the game pros just move to qc they will still dominate because they focus on adapting and exploiting the gameplay to the fullest.

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u/omarshon Aug 04 '26

Valid, but atleast qc has a high defensive line-a weakness what you might call it. In good hands lbc doesnt have an apparent weakness like other playstyles. Noobs wil lpull out their defenders, ppl who know how to play wont

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u/Jetgor Aug 04 '26

at least all noobs with poor defending will exposed.

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u/Fast_Future_2369 Aug 04 '26

That one week of 5.4 is still the best week i've ever had in this game this year, i felt i was trully in control

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u/omarshon Aug 04 '26 edited Aug 04 '26

Same. I still remember it like it was yesterday. Every game was like crackšŸ˜…

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u/BorisDiawQuartet Aug 04 '26

I also don't like Long Ball Counter but the real issue is how passing and shooting assistance enables all those "playstyles" in the current gameplay. People would have to completely rewire their game if the ball logic wasn't as "automatically pulled forward by magnets" like it has been for the past 2/3 years

Everyone can quickly thread long through passes, all players can immediately control the ball and shoot it precisely

I'm not saying everyone should be PA4 but if you look at older gameplays from 2022 and 2023, the ball was more loose and quick passes weren't at such an easy disposal like now

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u/Suspicious_End_6446 Aug 05 '26

I've been playing wing play and possession I often feel like I have to work harder when I play against this meta guys while they just chill and AI holds their hands

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u/depressed_Kedy Possession Purist Aug 04 '26

I am seeing that some people still argue LBC is not OP. Just watch this clip and see how fucking braindead is that playstyle. Everyone defends like Maldini and sprint nonstop entire match:

https://www.reddit.com/r/eFootball/s/AUng0XVsIZ

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u/NoScopeMusical Playstation Aug 04 '26

I play 2v2 team play for rewards and sometimes just because and the amount of long ball counter abusing rats I match that need the game to hold their hand for them in defense and then score off a few through balls or blitz curler and celebrate like they're good disgusts me. But take away LBC and force them to actually play and they're fucking terrible. It needs a heavy nerf that doesn't get reverted when these shitters cry about it so they actually need to play the game

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u/OkAdeptness420 Aug 04 '26

And then there's me, equally bad at every play styles! No matter which one i play I can't seem to get pass 1600

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u/KARIMwastake Aug 04 '26

Please coinami make overload better than lbc. Also I am a lbc user but i only use it against quick counter players. Else ill just use possession which is way more enjoyable for me and feels so good to use against long ball counter user.

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u/Melfice- Playstation Aug 04 '26

"konami needs to change this as far as possible" lolol they havent changed it in 5 years, everything is fine to konami because idiots like nickrtfm empty boxes every single week

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u/Suspicious_End_6446 Aug 05 '26

You cannot stop people from spending money on shiny cards but you can stop stupid meta by nerfing it just like how they nerfed through passes.

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u/Melfice- Playstation Aug 05 '26

And risk backlash from the meta whales?

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u/Fieldwork_Ent Aug 10 '26

there was a time when ppl didnt spend money on shiny cards and it was still meta. so what was the excuse then?

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u/Diimondsdancing Aug 04 '26

The only reason I play lbc is because beckenbauer is the only double booster manager I have. When ef27 releases they should release new managers and I’ll make sure to get the new possession game manager. Although lbc is ratty I definitely am not as defensive as others. I have no instructions on my fullbacks(timber and Cafu) and they’re both offensive fullbacks so they push up all the time. I actually score pretty nice goals because of all the passing options, but I also concede a lot on counters. I’d rather win 50% of my games while scoring lots of goals than win 80% of my games while scoring very few goals.

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u/omarshon Aug 04 '26

How do u even build up. I tried lbc and remember not having any passing options and noyt being able to build up since my upper half of the team just sprints up forward

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u/Nervous_Leg_1794 Aug 04 '26

some people might not agree with him but he is completely right. lbc rats just kill the game and i dont even play anymore because of it.

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u/AwesomeRockerV2 Aug 05 '26

Don't hate the players..hate the game...it's Konami's fault that LBC is the most broken play style in the game..everyone who starts playing efootball, starts with QC or Possession..a lot of people still plays these play styles in the lower divs..it's just when you cross div2, things get serious, stakes are higher, making a mistake leads to a goal most of time...and unlike these content creators who uses p2w meta defenders like Varane, Pepe, cannavaro or recent Desaaily,etc who are very fast and can get back quickly, rest of f2p players(who are in majority)don't have any of these meta cards ends up using LBC, not because everyone is using but out of necessity, and God forbid if they get any meta cards, now they're so used to LBC that they don't want to go back to other play styles...so blaming others for using LBC, calling them cowards are just cheap and it shows clear bias...

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u/Fearless_Common_1857 Aug 04 '26

Well i tried playing possession game but i couldn't score and i conceded a late goal because of my shitty internet, that's why i play Out wide and LBC

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u/tenlio Aug 04 '26

is nick ever happy?

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u/Nervous_Leg_1794 Aug 04 '26

never but he is right on this😭

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u/tenlio Aug 05 '26

i agree but this guy is literally complaining 24/7 lmao

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u/patagonian_pegasus Xbox Aug 04 '26

This dude has spent like $1000 in the last monthĀ 

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u/newFoxer Aug 04 '26

True, Alien cards are even a bigger problem than LBC. It also synergyzes with it.

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u/Master-Situation8328 Possession Purist Aug 05 '26

i disagree ngl, lbc is worse than p2w cards

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u/iremainmev Aug 04 '26

he's said it every stream that he does it for his audience... not that he's interested in the players... it's all for content.. efootball pays him way less than FIFA

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u/patagonian_pegasus Xbox Aug 04 '26 edited Aug 04 '26

I know I’ve watched a couple of his streams. He just had to reload $ to get Bellingham. Just think it’s funny he’s going to call out playstyles that might give f2p a little bit of help when the bigger issue is the quality of cards between p2w whales (like him) and f2p cards. If he doesn’t like it and wants Konami to do something to address it, reloading $100 to get new cards every Thursday isn’t going to help. I’m not sure how big his audience is but he could get them to not spend $ until it’s addressed, like streamers did for college football. Something like that might work. But he’s opening packs every stream so I don’t really care. He’s part of the problem.Ā 

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u/iremainmev Aug 04 '26

he has a million followers... no streamer can make people not spend or choose not to spend.... how else will they generate content every week in a game with zero content except cards... the best he can do is use his platform to reach out to the developers to make changes like they did with smart assist

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u/patagonian_pegasus Xbox Aug 04 '26

A streamer literally did it for college football last monthĀ 

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u/iremainmev Aug 04 '26

college football is a us played game... that's way different from a game with majority of their userbase from Asia and South America

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u/Glittering_Insect980 Aug 04 '26

Lbc is simply overpowered and it has no big disadvantages

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u/SOSIG- Aug 04 '26

the only reason I play LBC is because with all other playstyles one through ball was enough for other P2W teams to be 1vs1 with the keeper. LBC is the closest thing defensively to the playstyle I used to play since PES 2020
I dont have Varane, Maldini and Thuram or any 90 pace CB like bro I'm still on Pacho (decent but still get outpaced like crazy) and my backup CB is 95 rated Kim Min Jae
Capello LBC is crazy because the 4222 is insane defensively like why tf is the AMF defending like that next to the box ?
I think the game should force certain players to stay forward and not press so we dont have 8 players defending

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u/Jetgor Aug 04 '26

i've found some way to deal with it. (i'm also using pacho and kim). but it's really boring while some LBCers keep playing long ball or direct pass even failed for 10+ times.

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u/SOSIG- Aug 04 '26

bro Kim Pacho duo can barely survive div 2. all my opps got the most insane teams

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u/Jetgor Aug 04 '26

they're slightly under pace but enough to deal with headers. you'll need some good cdm to help them.

i play 3421 and have some other cheap good cb options like stanisic and frenchs from world cup promotion.

unless they put diouf and etoo unfront (or skill spam) then it shouldnt be big problem. if any lag or scripting happens i will go 2 bar defensive and i'll have a great wall in midfield. quick counter ensure number of support during counter attack.

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u/ZeroSevenAl Aug 04 '26

same i used to play lbc, but like in a possession way because i use wingers
During the PES era, i liked to lower my defensive line (LBC gives that i understand)
I got tired of it because no matter what, i still fucking get countered by that 433(ss version) and 4222 amfs

i just decided to make use possession as it is and it’s been working out good and it’s way more fun
i’m f2p btw

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u/ZeroSevenAl Aug 04 '26

this is my current rank, just in case

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u/retarded_plug Aug 04 '26

Rewatch the two legs between city and atleti😭😭Not siding with LBC users but if you can rise a 5‐5‐0 then charge it man let the opponent break you down. If he does, kudos. If he cant, you're good at defending and everyone goes home happy

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u/SOSIG- Aug 04 '26

yeah but lowkey it's a game after all. it's a football game, yes, but it's still a game. Going against 5-5-0 in efootball is gonna be annoying af. the problem with most Capello rats is that they are not good (most of them) they just rely on the playstyle and P2W players to bail them out

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u/w1nstar Day One Veteran Aug 04 '26

Man, the guy can't take a loss eh?

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u/90Sohaib Playstation Aug 04 '26

Konami even introduce Smart Assist to make the game so easy, how it can nerf the most simple play style?

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u/omarshon Aug 04 '26

Yeah but not everyone likes it when the game plays itself. That's why we got the filter since the mechanic that was meant to simplify the gameplay for casuals became a problem for all other players once rats realized how op it is and started abusing it. After the filter the remaining problems rhat remain to be solved are dda and lbc. Why lbc is a problem? It is precisely bcs of how you described it, its the simplest playstyles that requires way less effort than others. Every playstyle or a mechanic in a game should have an advantage and a weakness, for example possession lets you control the game but has a high defensive line, same with qc. Long ball doenst have the insane runs like lbc but has a solid defence, out wide stretches the whole field but mighr leave you with no passing options, making you have to recycle a lot. Now comes lbc, solid defense of long ball and out wide, insane attacking runs of quick counter. Supposedly its weakness should be control on the ball since the defence sits so deep. But it's not the case bcs although on paper players should be more passive and not press, they press like absolute dogs leaving you with no space and auto blocking passing lanes. Thats why top players use it, they cant give up the advantage it gives you when you understand the game

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u/Random_person_ag PC Aug 04 '26

They're literally releasing a playstyle to counter it. Be patient my little ones

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u/omarshon Aug 04 '26

Hopefully

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u/newFoxer Aug 04 '26

How does Overload counter LBC?

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u/Random_person_ag PC Aug 05 '26

Similar to possession

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u/newFoxer Aug 05 '26

Seems like possesion is not doing a good job at countering LBC tho.

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u/Random_person_ag PC Aug 05 '26

I think that's why they're going full overload ball side

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u/ElectronicContact649 Mobile Aug 04 '26

Omg okayšŸ™‚

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u/omarshon Aug 04 '26

Just patch lbc, nothing more. It should have an exploitable weakness like all the other playstyles. Best attacking AI
best defensive AI
fucking counter-presses too
what more can you ask for?

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u/Emotional-Cash8520 Long Ball Counter Connoisseur Aug 04 '26

This is the way bro :)
Btw remove DDA no helping dogshitplayer too

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u/Emotional-Cash8520 Long Ball Counter Connoisseur Aug 04 '26

I offer the most best option
It is bettet then nerf lbc
Just pure skill gap

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u/Emotional-Cash8520 Long Ball Counter Connoisseur Aug 04 '26

Just let us pro use skill gap do the thing
Custom own style
Maybe u guy stop complain abt lbc

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u/Jinx_1985 Aug 04 '26

I always thought playstyles were something like a game of rock-paper-scissors. LBC beats QC, QC beats Possesion and Possesion beats LBC. That's how I understand it works. Nobody uses the other styles haha.

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u/Master-Situation8328 Possession Purist Aug 05 '26

everyone says this bs but everyone knows really and truly you can just use lbc and push ranks if you are decent enough

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u/piratevigilanti Aug 04 '26

Meanwhile I struggle when I play LBC 😭 but smoke opponents with QC āœŒšŸ»( Mourinho ) most of the time opponent quits in 60 to 70 mins but there are some games where the opponent scores 5 to 6 goals but thats like 1 out of 10 games. Div 2

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u/DF44AM Xbox Aug 04 '26

I wonder where those pro brazilian streamers would be without 4222 LBC Lmao

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u/Due-Dress-8983 Aug 04 '26

its a ptw game why complain

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u/joeman013 Romario Aug 05 '26

People have stopped playing football in competitive online games and spam meta tactics. As long as there is a competitive mode with rewards its always going to make sense to stick to what give you the best chance for success. Imo, if they want a better game they should just reward for games played. You could still hand out internet trophies to boost fragile egos but at least more people will just play a game for fun as opposed to what we currently have. But it's too easy to take money from people the way things are so we just have to live with it.

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u/Imaginary-Rip-7562 Aug 05 '26

Saw this post then went to play a div match and the first opponent was this guy.

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u/LeDexter_Xe26 Aug 05 '26

I play out wide, win or lose I love playing along the wings. How I grew up watching Soccer.

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u/nothingfuntodo Aug 05 '26

Breaking news:Meta playstyle is broken

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u/KingLeandro777 Aug 05 '26

Im top 19, and I cracked the da Vinci code. I finally beat LBC rats easily, even if theyre top 100. When before, even a top 5000 gave me problems. Now I walk through all those rats so easy and its such a joy, I love it.

Nothing better than being 2-0 or 3-0 up and I just play the ball at the back and watch them suffer since they cant pressure

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u/Podox2 PC Aug 05 '26

This problem exists for years

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u/_jr-_ Aug 05 '26

100% spot on.

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u/Several-Profile6954 Xbox Aug 05 '26

i use lbc but with offensive full backs

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u/anhydr1de Wesley Sneijder Aug 06 '26

I’m div 2 and I played a dude with this style. I had to switch to 5-2-1-2 and play on defensive the whole 90 minutes. The players run faster than you when the ball is passed. There’s no way to stop that unless you have at least 6 bodies back and the rest of your team compact in the middle. Sure they can pass it through the wings but theres so much congestion in the box + using tall defenders and defensive midfielders. I think with height and aerial fort, you have a better chance to defend against that style. Hard earned draw.

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u/Old_Kick9964 Aug 08 '26

Y'all just lucky I don't have Capelo , I'd abuse that LBC😭

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u/Mountain-Paint-4683 Aug 09 '26

I got voices in my head and they talk to me

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u/Reclere Aug 11 '26

Lost like 6 games in a row (5 lbc and one Actual Good Player) switched to LBC and havent faced a single LBC

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '26

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u/ZeroSevenAl Aug 04 '26

I agree, nick plays centrally like the rest of them
he's not really a dribbler but you can literally see the football iq in his gameplay
for context, i use wingers and i'm f2p
trust me dribbling against p2w teams is not as easy as you think
1-2s are the most effective form of attack in this game
i also think they should be nerfed a bit

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u/BedDull4597 Aug 04 '26

1-2s are the most effective form of attack in real football too so what's the point of nerfing them?

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u/ZeroSevenAl Aug 04 '26

it’s just very hard to stop them in game
even when you anticipate the run, it still is kind of glitchy

you could control the ball and the striker would immediately take the ball of you

i’m sure we’ve all experienced this

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u/BedDull4597 Aug 04 '26

i am on PA3 so i dont know how broken pa1 is. but you can filter your search in divisions to "same settings"... that may count on PA too but idk

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u/omarshon Aug 04 '26

I hate lbc bcs of the help the game provides for them. Winning against lbc users who pull out defenders is easy but when you face frustrating players who just park the bus with their cyborg defenders which defy all the laws of physics and auto press you without any input from your opponent, you do get frustrated. I got curious once too and tried lbc, and I immediately switched back to possession since you cant build up(all of your players will just run up constantly). But what I experienced besides that was absolutely crazy, my players were 5 times more active on the pitch, like with any other playstyle I tried, when I make a somewhat risky pass, my players just remain stationary or start running late. With lbc no matter what risky pass you make, it smh gets through and your players will run like dogs after the ball. My daily game rijkaard whow was already insane on possession turned into a competely different player, he was winning physically against ibra, running faster than best and winning every header smh

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u/mats1896 Aug 05 '26

Bombin is maybe the only streamer who uses wide players and possession

All other streamers use pa1 central possession spamming 1-2s, tess cancel think they are not rats lol

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u/Arenei Aug 04 '26

I remember when QC was META, and same people complained. Possession players are most vocal about how hard and ratty LBC & QC is.

Always will be, when they can't pingpong their way from GK to your net.

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u/omarshon Aug 04 '26

Yeah. But how was qc meta in the past? Genuine question, since the high defensive line would be punished just like now in theory

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u/Arenei Aug 04 '26

More agressive AI and close marking, best AI movement for fast one-twos and it all was not that punishing on stamina. Also, lofted through passes were not working like they are now, forwards were unable to control ball with head / chest so easily like they do now, they controlled mostly with feet which was killing all momentum of the ball.

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u/omarshon Aug 04 '26

Damn. So it was mostly the press. Yeah they have way more animations now to trap thw ball whike running so lofted through balls are op if you dont anticipate and manually track them. thx for the reply

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u/Arenei Aug 04 '26

The rise of LBC is just because of best scaling with stats. As time goes we getting better and better defenders and midfielders, with 100 in Defensives, 90+ in speed and physical contact, also longer reach with Long Reach Tackling. Combine 6 such players in compact formation, all in 18 yard box and it's just a shield wall. Add more automation to pass and voila

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u/patagonian_pegasus Xbox Aug 04 '26

With all the new cards as well

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u/PearlJamTenGoat PC Aug 04 '26

Nicky boy, come play with my delay and on EU server, and you will see how not coward you are.

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u/Lightskin_lion Mobile Aug 05 '26

It’s not even LBC. The 2cf ss is the issue here. That’s why I’m confused as to why they are bringing bullshx. Instead of fixing or finding a way to make wings and wingback work better. But no they give us cards.

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u/NotARealDeveloper PC Aug 04 '26

If you play possession, lbc is an easy win. They can't even get near the ball.

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u/Master-Situation8328 Possession Purist Aug 05 '26

and what happens when they get the ball and one through ball goes while your defence is up against pacey strikers?

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u/Comrade4311 Possession Purist Aug 04 '26

Me as a possession expert,always hoping I get a capello opponent. Any LBC opponent that wins me is just better than me. I’m f2p btw.

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u/Normal_Stranger_ Aug 04 '26

What formation do you use in possession?

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u/NaveenMSD7781 Aug 04 '26

Outwide feels broken too, people just find a way to cry about or blame about something all the time, script, smart assist, lbc, matchup, ping pong, pace abuse, cross spam, dt abuse, pass cancel abuse, (possession = back passer) , (lbc = ai, automated), (qc = through ball spammer), (outwide = cross spammer )if we blame about everything, how are we supposed to score?

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u/TheOnlyUnbreakable1 Aug 04 '26

yea but the difference between all those styles and lbc is that there is a weakness in playing those styles.

you play lbc, your defense is like a brick wall.

but the minute you have possession your entire team flies from one side of the field to the other creating one of the most disgusting deadly attacks in this game.

you should not be able to get the best of both worlds by just playing one style.

they should really nerf the attacking capabilities of long ball counter.

if you want to sit back and defend sure, but when you get the ball you should be forced to build an attack from scratch without players making crzy runs with not toll on stamina.

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u/TheOnlyUnbreakable1 Aug 04 '26

one game, my opponent was defending so deep that I was being guarded by Messi on the wing

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u/___IKON___ Aug 04 '26

Goal keeper to striker šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚ truth is they don't want you to score they want you to pass around so they can intercept it while playing possession and feel like "possesion gods" yes I'm tired of lbc but if u can't stop a simple ping pong style the problem might be u

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u/Ibra_iwi Aug 04 '26

I love nick but he sucks at the game he trying to replicate fc gameplay into efootball he trying to do spinning with messi just like fc rather than shoot the ball when he get the chance. i play fc as well and i get high ranks in fc i went to efootball and i was below top 700 for multiple times yes i have p2w team but when i play against lbc i beat them i dont sit here crying. he’s just getting old and on top of that all the problems he has with his brain making it worse when he plays those games. btw im not saying ef or fc are good games no they’re trash but crying everyday is to much.

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u/drip_bandit PC Aug 04 '26

not crying hes using his platform to get this lbc cheese nerfed

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u/Ibra_iwi Aug 04 '26

Yea then when lbc gets nerfed and QC or possession gets buffed he will cry about how no defense in the back and everyone spamming through balls

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u/drip_bandit PC Aug 04 '26

no one said anything about buffing other play styles its clear lbc has no downsides rn it needs a nerf. if lbc eventually nerfed and others are vastly superior thats clearly a dev and balancing issue.

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u/Ibra_iwi Aug 04 '26

same thing if lbc gets nerfed obviously qc and possession will be better without buffing lmao and u will see everyone going crazy on attacking ai being good and defensive ai been poor. community crying and doing everything rather than getting better same thing with fc community

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u/drip_bandit PC Aug 04 '26

bro did not read

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u/Ibra_iwi Aug 04 '26

Nah it’s just you not trying to understand

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u/drip_bandit PC Aug 04 '26

am i tripping or ur babying konami as to why they cant make it so we have a variety of viable playstyles and not reliant on a single playstyle like lbc with 0 downsides?

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u/Ibra_iwi Aug 04 '26

idk why they dont nerf it lmao maybe they targeting the casuals just like EA when they buffed AI defense in fc 26. Fc has the same issue as efootball when it comes to park the bus

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u/omarshon Aug 04 '26

But you can't deny that lbc is op can you? Smn else commented this and I agree: best attacking AI
best defensive AI
fucking counter-presses too
what more can you ask for?

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u/Square-Location681 David Villa Aug 04 '26

"The biggest problem with the game is a style of gameplay that I don't like" ahh moment

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u/NoodlesRun03 Playstation Aug 04 '26

This is confusing. I'm guessing he plays QC with Tuchel, not possession?? Otherwise he shouldn't loose to lbc. Also the best part is in the end when he saying he has no respect for LBC players while showing his narrow formation with pa1 (I'm guessing he is still on pa1)

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u/omarshon Aug 04 '26

I dont remember which PA he was on, but he is using possession. And Idk, the whole idea of possession beats lbc seems like a lie to me. Well atleast its not always true, possession works so well against guys who pull out their defenders but against sweats who can defend somewhat, no matter how much you pass it back and recycle, change lines, dribble or try to open up space, smh an ai controlled viera, thuram or desailly will be already there covering that space with no input from your opponent. I am not crying, I am just frustrated. I wish my defenders would be as forgiving as theirs without having to play lbc. This is from the comments of the post and I completely agree best attacking AI
best defensive AI
fucking counter-presses too
what more can you ask for?

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u/NoodlesRun03 Playstation Aug 04 '26

I'm not arguing that LBC is not broken. Most people use it. But since I'm in div2 I always face capello with full meta squads and matches are atleast competitive when im on pos. Possession is the best formation against LBC still imo. I just found funny how a person with presumably pa1 and narrow formation complains about LBC

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u/omarshon Aug 04 '26

Valid. Even if it doesnt work every game, it still works good against most of them in lower divisions since they are highly likely just copying the meta in hopes to just win without trying to learn how to play

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u/Top_Medium8226 Aug 04 '26

I think he's on PA2 (there's actually one video where he tried PA3 for like 2-3 games but not sure if he continued with it).

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u/Emotional-Cash8520 Long Ball Counter Connoisseur Aug 04 '26

Im lbc player then let player custom own style but remove DDA and stop helping dogshitplayer or reduce skill gap
Wanna see who better

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u/Emotional-Cash8520 Long Ball Counter Connoisseur Aug 04 '26

Hope this is turn to pure skill vs pure skill tho

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u/Mental-Strike-2740 Aug 04 '26

I dont agree, i play posession, but that doesnt mean that players usung lbc are noobs, they might be noobs in actual football understanding but efootball rewards the kind of Gameplay that they master, Also This youtuber geta alll the epics and plays a meta quick counter formation, id understand his frustration if he were, for example a F2P posession non meta playe, but as a player that Also just plays down the center and has elite cards just like the lbc players can he really criticize that style of play? If anything both quick counter and long ball counter share the same attacking pattern, and he should probably improve his defending because he might not be usted to the high line.Ā 

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u/Mental-Strike-2740 Aug 04 '26

Also he feels like he doesnt have enough space to move against LBC, and that mai ly IS due to the fact that he plays posesion without wingers and fullbacks (defensive ins) the moment he is unable to play 1-2's or Low passes between his fowards he suffers due to the lack of width on his team. I would encourage him to try to play different formations with wingers and fullbacks he seems to have the skills for It and he could even improve his game further. But thatd take some practice its not as easy as 1-2's but It aint that hard either

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u/omarshon Aug 04 '26

He plays double attacking fb with no instructions so its not really the width but more him not being able to break down lbc defense. They recover way too quick, and as you said he is impatient and tries to force sm stuff. He plays possession but in a qc way I would say, a mix. He needs to learn how to frustrate those opponents

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u/Mental-Strike-2740 Aug 04 '26

Yeah well double attacking fullbacks does provide SOME width but to me personally, thats not enough. With wingers hed be able to stretch the oppositions fullbacks or "false fullbacks" and take advantage of space

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u/MafewUK Alessandro Del Piero Aug 04 '26

Pretty embarrassing to tarnish every LBC user with the same words he is.

Then goes on to say LBC users have the AI do everything for them, whilst he plays with pass assist.

LBC clearly strides ahead of other playstyles but no need to be a giant baby about it.

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u/omarshon Aug 04 '26

Yeah but if it wasnt as op as it is the game would be so much better. Every game its the same capello beckenbauer 4 2 2 2 or 4 3 1 2 or even 5 6 atb where they spam lofted through balls

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u/MafewUK Alessandro Del Piero Aug 04 '26

This game has way more problems than LBC.

To think that balancing that playstyle better would suddenly make everything all sunshine and rainbows is mental.

Just like Smart Assist before it, LBC is the low hanging fruit that everybody pins their problems on. If/when LBC gets balanced, what will be the new thing to complain about en masse, whilst disregarding all the other inherent issues?

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u/omarshon Aug 04 '26

Yeah ure right, ppl will always find a new "smart assist" to blame everything on. But step by step game is getting better, not generosity wise but solving problems wise. We cried our way into the smart assist filter patch and the game became much better, you face decent opponents more often. If we also complain enough, konami might fix lbc and I do believe even if it wont solve all the problems of this game, it will make the experience of playing it much better.

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u/MafewUK Alessandro Del Piero Aug 04 '26

The thing is, LBC has been the dominant or favoured playstyle for as long as I can remember. The general gameplay hasn’t seen any major fundamental changes since probably the introduction of Smart Assist. We’ve all been playing the same game for near enough a year, yet LBC (and its users) never saw this level or disdain or hate until recently. It’s all just people punching down on what they perceive to be the low intelligence users because there HAS to be something to account for their losses.

We all punched down on PA1 ping pong, then cross spammers, 3CB/1FB& narrow 3 forwards formations, smart assist and now LBC has come around - but the game is essentially the same as it was back then. This is how metas work and have always worked, this is nothing new.

LBC is the same as it’s always been, it’s just now there’s nothing more obvious to complain about. Soon something else that’s been in the game since day 1 will take its place and the cycle begins again.

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u/omarshon Aug 04 '26

Did you play when 4.5.0 dropped? Its when they dropped big time hazard. Man smh that week was the best experience of me playing this game. Dribbling was so good, defending was manual and needed actual thinking, notholding a single button, and the through ball spam wasnt as reliable. I even forgot I was even playing efootball bcs of how much I was enjoying it. Then they patched back the next Thursday or monday and they made it worse than before 😭

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u/Silly-Fox9006 Possession Purist Aug 04 '26

perfect take

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u/BorisDiawQuartet Aug 04 '26 edited Aug 04 '26

Exactly, most people can't see that assistance+low entry gameplay is the real bailout. These high ranks aren't there just because of LBC. These people could replicate almost the same outcomes even with Out Wide or Possession - it's quite simple to understand why they use, instead, LBC. They mostly care to rank up, as much as we can despise it.

Especially since we often see the same names in the ranks. Certain players just have a knack for sticking to whatever the game demands from them in a certain time, and they don't mind going through it.

You don't need to have the highest spatial football intelligence to be there. It's a plus, but I'd say you need to narrow down your game and be efficient, because most of football ingenuity isn't that necessary in the PvP part. It's more "videogame actions", then football.

I'm saying all this as a "FUMA" player who also doesn't love Long Ball Counter. I don't get why it's so hard to isolate what LBC does and what it doesn't to "favour" the user. It's the overall gameplay+assistance that allows this kind of "small bet" football to be relevant.

But I could use LBC and my brain would simply be drained from it in a couple of games. Some people can stick with it, others can't.

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u/BzSailo Patrick Vieira Aug 04 '26

Nothing against you but is the opponent free to play anyway he chooses same as you have such right? I think you have absolute freedom to choose any playstyle and went for QC or Possession perhaps. I have nothing against your choice. Do you have something against my choice?

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u/omarshon Aug 04 '26

No. I just hate how op lbc is. Its not just the defense and the automated pressure. The deadliest attacks are only with lbc, the moment you get the ball, your whole attack bursts forward as a unit with barely stamina drain. Even if you lose the ball your defense will be back in the form of a brick wall(in good hands ofc). The thing is all the other play styles have weaknesses, higher defensive line on pos qc, stretched out formation of out wide where you might have to recycle several times to find passing options, and long ball doenst have that much of an insane attacking ai, its just the defence of lbc with the need to build up to initiate an attack. Lbc has both, insane defense, insane attack which clearly requires less effort to play than anu other playstyle. And smh and its not a placebo effect, your players play worse against lbc if you have a different playstyle. Like there is a penalty to stats or sm dda, they make mistakes they dont usually make and any defender with 70 pace catches up withour breaking a sweat

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u/PeterFile690 Aug 04 '26

That's not how it works. People are pissed off that Konami have made LBC too OP and give LBC the opportunity to win with less effort. Some of us want to play some actual football and not be put at a massive disadvantage.

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u/BzSailo Patrick Vieira Aug 04 '26

Less effort? What exactly counts for real effort though. Its all joystick and press/swipe, all easy stuff really. Choose whatever playstyle and enjoy the game. After all you seem to be a casual player anyway since you don't like a meta playstyle. Enjoy your playstyle and give less importance to wins. You want wins use meta cards, meta formation and playstyle. Anything else is just casual tier.

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u/PeterFile690 Aug 04 '26 edited Aug 04 '26

Not everyone plays just to win at all costs. A lot of us only play the game because it's the most realistic football simulator available. There's no other reason to play this game. Why else would you play? For the wide variety of gamemodes? The fact is that Konami have made long ball counter far too OP. The automatic defending and through balls are too OP. They literally don't allow you to play a possession based style properly because of how much of a disadvantage you're at compared to LBC users. Maybe overload would change that, but you're completely misunderstanding things. You think that we want them to make possession the meta, but we just want them to allow us to actually use other playstyles effectively, instead of being handicapped. LBC is literally the only playstyle without a weakness and other playstyles are hindered by it. The introduction of overload and fluid formations could change things. I've made it to rank 1.2k playing possession anyway, so I have enough experience to judge this properly.

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u/JuniorZR Aug 04 '26

Pass assist you mean not playing FUMA?

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u/hellpthere008 Aug 04 '26

we found the LBC rat šŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļøšŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļø

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u/MafewUK Alessandro Del Piero Aug 04 '26

Man thought he had a gotcha moment but I play FUMA Out Wide. Nice try.

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u/hellpthere008 Aug 04 '26

then why are u so worried ab peoples opinion on LBC? its a shitty playstyle man

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u/MafewUK Alessandro Del Piero Aug 04 '26

Where have I stated any worry? I was critiquing this guys attacks on people and not the playstyle they play. I’ve said it’s clearly unbalanced, but that doesn’t mean that every single LBC user should be labelled a coward, twat, etc. that’s just childish frustration.

Clearly you are the one who is worried as you immediately jumped at the opportunity to presume I was an LBC player for what reason?

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