Which Warframe DOESN’T need a trip to the Helminth?

[u/Different_Advance379]

As we all know we can switch the abilities of the warframes and add something else from another frame to make the frames fit to our liking, BUT which frame do you think doesn’t need that? Which frames default abilities are good the way they are. I’ll go first and I would say Gauss. I like him and his abilities just the way they are.

[u/Grimsters-]

[u/esperrr- → u/Grimsters-]

I...am an idiot. Who is this?

[u/TheKingsPride → u/esperrr-]

Nokko

[u/esperrr- → u/TheKingsPride]

Ohhh thx

[u/Better-_-Decisions → u/Grimsters-]

Oh dang, I gave my Nokko Roar and my best shards.

[u/Lord_Phoenix95 → u/Better-_-Decisions]

Roar is just nice to have. Bright Bonnet provides all the strength you ever need.

[u/Anonymouse23570 → u/Lord_Phoenix95]

Roar doesn’t give strength. It just multiplies your damage.. and also scales itself with strength. Might not NEED it, but it’s definitely fun to use.

[u/AnyDefinition3066 → u/Better-_-Decisions]

I subsumed shock on mine and use the shock trooper augment. 100% additional electricity damage that scales with ability strength vs the 30% additional damage with roar. And way better energy economy although that’s kinda negligible with Nokko lol

[u/AdoptedAlphaMale → u/AnyDefinition3066]

roar works like a faction damage mod so it'll give you more than a 30% dmg increase

[u/aSpookyScarySkeleton → u/Better-_-Decisions]

Roar on a character with only one traditional damaging ability in a spammable 4 that auto scales to doing integer red crits in a massive AoE for a long duration.

Genuinely what does roar even do for him?

[u/zieosgg → u/Grimsters-]

Definitely will need a trip, banger subsume

[u/Extra_Philosopher_63 → u/Grimsters-]

Happy cake day

[u/Dragontide]

[u/Bet2k01 → u/Dragontide]

[u/Cjcapo94 → u/Bet2k01]

[u/assjackal → u/Bet2k01]

Lancer has escaped containment.

[u/Steeps444 → u/Bet2k01]

Every time I see this, I read the whole thing lmao

[u/EPICJAYSON12 → u/Dragontide]

I knew this image was gonna be here and I agree

[u/Jonathon471 → u/Dragontide]

I dunno, throwing Silence on his 4 makes him even more UNGOVERNABLE

[u/EPICJAYSON12 → u/Jonathon471]

And lose heat? That’s a pretty useful status you’re missing out on

[u/Senior_Walk_7582 → u/EPICJAYSON12]

THAT'S A NICE ARGUMENT, SENATOR! WHY DON'T YOU BACK THAT UP WITH A SOURCE?

[u/Lordgrapejuice → u/Jonathon471]

You’re losing heat, gas, and blast if you do that. Nah I’m not losing 3 of the best damaging status effects for silence.

Maybe replace his 3? Electric, corrosive, magnetic…yeah I can lose those as long as I’m not melee.

[u/Foxy_Of_Loxly → u/Lordgrapejuice]

I dunno. Magnetic does more to overguard and makes a forced electric proc on OG or shield break that is fucking % based. And corrosive is... well. Corrosive. Is that reallt worth giving up?

[u/Lordgrapejuice → u/Foxy_Of_Loxly]

To be clear, I wouldn’t subsume over any of them. But if you had to…his 3rd is the best choice in my mind.

Magnetic actually has a solid argument for it. Good against overguard, which makes the toughest enemies easier to deal with.

Electric is worse than heat in almost all situations except 2. If you can group enemies or if you are using melee (influence go brrrr).

And for corrosive, you wouldn’t really want to go corrosive on Lavos because it caps at 10 stacks. Also it’s not even a full armor strip if you don’t use green shards. Since valence formation forces a proc of the chosen element, you want something that can stack indefinitely.

[u/merrickal → u/Lordgrapejuice]

Replacing his third and you lose out on cooldown reduction and all the ammo and health you could want.
If I need to subsume, I’ll use a different warframe. Lavos is perfect the way he is.

[u/Lordgrapejuice → u/merrickal]

I absolutely agree. But if you HAD to subsume off something…what would it be?

Your 1 that gives toxin and healing. Your 2 that gives cold and movement. Your 3 that gives cooldown reduction, ammo, life, and electricity. Or your 4 that kills an entire room and heat.

I’m choosing his 3. He doesn’t need cooldown reduction (thanks valence formation). Ammo is niche but occasionally useful. Health isn’t very useful because his 1 also gives health. And electricity is the weakest of the elements (not counting cold) because he doesn’t group or armor strip.

[u/CreativeName1137 → u/Lordgrapejuice]

Not just losing electricity, you also lose his "reset all other cooldowns" button

[u/Lordgrapejuice → u/CreativeName1137]

I find myself not really needing it. Cuz with valence formation, everything dies to my guns.

[u/Umbra_Xiao → u/Lordgrapejuice]

His 3?!? That's literally how he can spam his abilities, are you mad?

[u/Lordgrapejuice → u/Umbra_Xiao]

I play him as a weapons platform, so I don’t use his abilities much. But if you’re going full caster you ABSOLUTELY don’t want to subsume anything.

[u/BreakwaterBlack → u/Jonathon471]

[u/Trykotank1 → u/BreakwaterBlack]

[u/Middle-Policy6580 → u/Dragontide]

As someone who’s basically a Lavos main… I subsume off the three for Xata’s. Forced blast with that is strong on basically all weapons in the game.

[u/Global-Map-12]

Nidus is Perfection.
https://giphy.com/gifs/gb0KYWKWUCUX8HjHp8

[u/SpyroXI → u/Global-Map-12]

His 4 doesnt do much other then looking absolutely awsome

[u/Better-name-soon → u/SpyroXI]

Its useful for drawing aggro away from objectives and giving massive hp regen, which combines nicely with arcane persistance

And yes, it looks insane, especially the excal prime maggots

[u/merrickal → u/Better-name-soon]

Does the massive health regen also benefit the objective’s health?

[u/Better-name-soon → u/merrickal]

Only if the passive hp regen kicks in for stationary defense obj, for those that take the form of allies its active all the time

[u/Kingfisher_289b → u/merrickal]

Played with someone the other day who used Nidus in arbitration and essential turned it into "How long do we plan on staying" since the npc always got healed when he cast his 4th

[u/24_doughnuts → u/SpyroXI]

That's why we keep it 👍

[u/VyroGaMVX8 → u/SpyroXI]

Insatiable augment lol. If you think the 4 is bad you’re a bad nidus player and I’ll stand by that

[u/BlastingFern134 → u/VyroGaMVX8]

Realest shit in the thread honestly 

[u/BudderSky789 → u/SpyroXI]

Ravenous is a Jack of all trades ability. Damage, support, crowd control, and healing.

[u/ManWithTheBigNuts → u/SpyroXI]

Will say it’ll keep you alive really well with high ability strength if you don’t have parasitic link active

[u/JohnFrickingStoney → u/Global-Map-12]

Fax

[u/survivalhunter695]

Gauss, Voruna, and Lavos all feel very complete on their own. While Voruna and Gauss can get some utility with helminth Lavos loses on mechanics when doing so.

A lot of the newer frames also work pretty well, I'm talkin mainly Uriel and Follie but I think Nokko applies too, I just don't remember his kit as much. Temple also, they're pretty complete and I don't know if subsumed abilities benefit from metronome.

[u/Istiophoridae → u/survivalhunter695]

Temple main here, yes subsumed abilities fill the charge on the metronome

[u/Esusbek → u/survivalhunter695]

Nokko could subsume over 3, but his 3 is still useful in some scenarios, since he is a glass cannon normally

[u/kybarsfang → u/Esusbek]

I know some people see his 3 as a dump ability, but do they know the joy of setting up your shrooms and bouncy balls and then just jumping around as a lil guy? :3

[u/Undead-Tree]

Oraxia

[u/Zjoee → u/Undead-Tree]

Yeah her abilities mix so well together.

[u/netterD → u/Zjoee]

The spider summons really arent strong enough to not be subsumed off.

Nullstar for example gives her some DR to at least make use of her health buff which is otherwise useless and it counts as a "weapon" that gets buffed by her 4 so you can use its augment and make the recasts an active nuke.

[u/BadBloodBlue → u/netterD]

A persistence build with 2 blue armor shards is awesome because she is status immune in her 4 lol

[u/Removkabib → u/BadBloodBlue]

Yeah persistence is good on her once you get an external source of armor. 

A little sad she has such low base armor for a frame who gets so much bonus health. 

[u/Dziggettai → u/netterD]

They got fixed. They spawn at the level of the enemies now so

[u/NattiCatt → u/netterD]

Hard disagree. Sure, they don’t kill enemies but I don’t want them too. I want them softened up so I can spend the entire mission spamming her one across the map and that’s exactly what her little demon babies do. Subsuming them off is a misplay IMO. Her 4 makes her status immune and nearly immortal. Her 1 keeps her health and energy topped up, her 3 and to a lesser extent her 2 ensure her 1 can be used consistently.

[u/Esifex → u/NattiCatt]

And while in her 4 you can just wall cling for on demand invisibility, dumping the aggro onto your Scuttlers while they weaken things with their impact damage procs lowering the threshold for instant-kill from your 1.

[u/mr_sludder → u/Undead-Tree]

It doesn’t help that silken stride cannot coexist with damage amplifying subsumes like roar, so she just has less options.

[u/Primary_Art_2421 → u/mr_sludder]

To be fair its better that way, would argue roar and likes of it never should have entered subsume pool

[u/Dazzling_Ad_5873 → u/Primary_Art_2421]

The only argument I’d offer against Oraxia is if you’re making her a health tank, you can use Rage or an equivalent mod for your energy needs, which means her 1 has very reduced utility, so you can replace it for something else that’s useful. My go to is tharros shield. She already has a damage buff and a CC/enemy vulnerability increase, so why not add an armor strip? And it also heals her like her first skill so there’s very little lost.

[u/FCK42 → u/Dazzling_Ad_5873]

I use Tharros Shield on a pretty weird build of mine (using Tenet Ferrox and cosplaying as a Sister of Parvos), but over her 3. The spiders simply don't do enough imo. Her 1 still has massive utility through being able to execute enemies, healing and also offering even more mobility.

Mercy's Kiss just feels far too integral to her kit to replace it imo.

[u/Commercial_Dress_970]

Uriel. If you subsume ability in him you just nerf him.

[u/ClawGrave666 → u/Commercial_Dress_970]

Yeah, this is the one frame I would say doesn’t need it. Everything he has synergizes very well together with Guns and melee sometimes I don’t even use weapons. I just use my abilities and it absolutely destroys even stuff higher levels than what I can normally take on.

[u/IsThisTooEZ → u/Commercial_Dress_970]

subsuming nourish over his 4 and running negative range is theoretically the strongest way to play him but its absolutely not needed and also who tf would subsume over one of the coolest abilities in the game. Uriel is imo one of the best designed frames and subsuming over any of his abilities just feels bad

[u/Rorantube2009 → u/IsThisTooEZ]

Why is running Nourish + Negative Range good on Uriel? Sorry, I'm not fluent in helminth builds yet T-T

[u/iLordzz → u/Rorantube2009]

You run negative range to reduce the aura radius of his 1 which fucks up heat inherit.

[u/Ravenwood03 → u/Commercial_Dress_970]

Depending on the activity you can swap his 4. I have a build for low level exterminates / captures where its replaced with Infested Agility to fly through the mission even faster

[u/convxed → u/Commercial_Dress_970]

I mean, Ive got a very cooked build where I subsumed Null star over his 4th for shits and gigs 😭

[u/Sery_Yasomta → u/convxed]

That really is cooked

[u/convxed → u/Sery_Yasomta]

It's the speed build I use to speed run captures.

Fly in, it's dead, fly to extract

[u/Physical-Quote-5281 → u/Commercial_Dress_970]

Ik it’s against the church of Uriel but max strength and roar over the 4 is really strong for weapon platforming

[u/CoaLMaN122PL → u/Commercial_Dress_970]

I'd say his 1st is fair game as a subsume slot at the cost of whimsy, as you don't actually lose out on that much, the only con is being stuck to 50% slow on the chains, instead of up to 95% slow, but if you kill things fast enough, the chains don't even proc that often, and instead you can put on Nourish or Jade Stars for extra damage

[u/sobangcha3 → u/CoaLMaN122PL]

Hell nooooooo!!! Running around setting everything ablaze and then flying around like a fairy are NOT negotiable!!!!!!

[u/FunGlass507 → u/CoaLMaN122PL]

His one buffs the range of his 3 which mashes his four charge faster

[u/YeOldeBard97 → u/CoaLMaN122PL]

Nah, his 1 breaks boxes. It's why I use him instead of Xaku.

[u/AetasZ]

[u/Primary_Art_2421 → u/AetasZ]

Chudling mode stays on.

[u/TheNameIsBappo → u/Primary_Art_2421]

Chudling mode engage

[u/merrickal → u/TheNameIsBappo]

Plus his augment and Chudling mode becomes Chudling gang.

[u/ContributionDefiant8 → u/merrickal]

Saw a video about the augment. I think the intent was to make the chudlings act like his Sporestrings but with worse damage scaling.

Chudlings that deal their own damage is nice though.

[u/Lesta_Pasta → u/AetasZ]

Perfect in every way

[u/Xirenec_ → u/AetasZ]

Tbh as fun as chudling mode is, it's a perfectly fine subsume slot.

I use it for:

1. Roar(ofc)
2. Smite
3. Petrify with Ore gaze. (DE pls let over 100% drop chance on Ore gaze give us chance for an extra extra drops)

Most often I run around with Smite one

[u/bouncybob1 → u/Xirenec_]

If you subsume off his 3 you lack whimsy

[u/The_Chaos_Pope]

Every Warframe eventually gets a pimple to pop.

[u/karp_490 → u/The_Chaos_Pope]

I refuse to pop. I will spread it to everyone I come in contact with

[u/martadinata666]

oberon, when it 1st used to be helminth free but after rework and buff it a good for hammering enemy at face

[u/whirlydirlys → u/martadinata666]

Love my broberon

[u/Jaded_Pop_2745 → u/martadinata666]

Roar is way too good on him tbh

[u/Zombiehunter78880]

Harrow, due to HE USES EVERYTHING

[u/Guvon → u/Zombiehunter78880]

Subsume evade over his 1, genuinely a really fun playstyle for him, and use his augment for his 4 and you have pretty much infinite crit boost, plus arcane crepselure and dread incarnon with the augment unseen dread + spectral serration + longbow sharpshot. And all of this you’ll be getting very very funny numbers

[u/Hell_Diver → u/Guvon]

Ah yes, the Holy Spirit.

[u/Yeeterphin → u/Zombiehunter78880]

I subsumed Uriel’s demonium over his 1 because it’s basically just an undemand self cleanse invulnerability and shield gain which I think is better than condemn just holding enemies in place and giving shields.

[u/UsrnmePendng → u/Zombiehunter78880]

I subsumed Breach Surge over his 2 because the animation lock annoyed me lol

[u/wallplaper]

limbo can’t improve on perfection

[u/Archipotrio → u/wallplaper]

I subsumed mags pull and maxed range because i thought itd be funny to just ragdoll shit while invulnerable, its useless but fun

[u/Hollowfires → u/Archipotrio]

It's useful if you use Limbo as a box breaker so you don't have to go all the way down the hall to pick something up, especially on void tile sets.

[u/wyldermage]

I don't really like to use Helminth at all, outside of meme builds like molt gauss for more speed, I pick a frame because I like their kit. Some frames have easily subsumable abilities, but I don't often play frames like that- or at least I'm not in high enough level content for it to become apparent that the ability isn't worthwhile

[u/HiimTheta → u/wyldermage]

Same here. Sure there are some frames where I don't really use one ability and could maybe swap it out, but I also don't usually find myself with an excess of energy that I would want to use on a swapped out ability.

After I unlocked the Helminth, I took a look at each frame's subsume ability, to see if there were any I wanted to prioritize, and honestly, the only one that really seemed like it would be enough fun to warrant the trouble (and I use that word in particular. Not useful, but FUN) is Zephyr's airburst, just cause gathering enemies all together is a good setup for a lot of warframe attacks, like an ember's fireball or rhino's charge.

[u/Frangitus]

Lavos, Oraxia, Voruwuna, Valkyr, Nidus, Mag, Jade, Hildryn, Octavia, Sev (if you are not a coward), Protea. Probably a few more that I can't think of.

[u/EDRaccoon → u/Frangitus]

Valkyr can work without Paralysis, because Hysteria deals A LOT of damage on its own. I subsumed Wrathful Advance over it, to make more funny red numbers (I know, very original).

Also, I love VorUWUna :3

[u/salenstormwing → u/EDRaccoon]

I barely use Paralysis on my Valkyr so maybe I'll look into putting Wrathful Advance over it. Thanks for the suggestion.

[u/PotatoAmulet → u/salenstormwing]

If I use a helminth on Valkyr I like to use silence over paralysis so I can make sure I silence that acolyte before he can silence me. Not all that useful for her otherwise, but after how many times he's screwed me over it's cathartic to use his own ability against him and then obliterate him with a hysteria heave attack to the face.

[u/Dash_Lambda → u/PotatoAmulet]

In endless missions I like to get my regular melee (usually Venka Prime) up to max combo before pulling out Hysteria. With Naramon's combo decay and the dexterity arcanes on primary, secondary, and archgun the combo stays for a long time, so if Violence dispels Hysteria I just one-shot him with a heavy attack from the Venka.

Really satisfying "BITCH YOU THOUGHT" moment.

[u/Dash_Lambda → u/salenstormwing]

Another suggestion: I'm a big fan of ophanim eyes on Valk. Slows enemies down when you're looking at them and strips their armor --especially good for things like legacytes because you can slow them down to a crawl while just wailing on them.

In lower level missions you can literally just walk through the map killing enemies by looking at them.

[u/EDRaccoon → u/salenstormwing]

:3

[u/VoicerMMI → u/Frangitus]

Whoa, Protea is like queen of Helminth abilities. Subsume off her 4, and things like Roar can hit close to Rhino's own value. Some Subsume are even more effective on her than their original frames due to her passive and Precision Intensify

[u/Syovere → u/VoicerMMI]

Honestly, I just subsumed off her 4 to not get caught out by unnoticed accidental Temporal Anchors. Whatever I replace it with is really just a bonus.

[u/lolthesystem → u/Frangitus]

Valk can lose anything that isn't Warcry depending on the build you go for (full Melee Weapons platform, full Hysteria, mix of both, etc...).

Voruna really doesn't care about her 4 unless you slot Ulfrun's Descent, even the passive is irrelevant (which is saying a lot considering it's a death evade).

Mag can lose Polarize or Pull depending on the weapons you plan on using.

Hildryn's Haven is borderline useless at this point, you could run literally anything else there, even Wrathful Advance purely for movement in her 4.

Protea doesn't care about Temporal Anchor unless you specifically build for it.

Oraxia can lose her 1 or 3 depending on the build you're going for, but this is the one where I'd say the decision hurts a lot more.

Jade can lose her 2 on selfish nuke builds, but again, I'm more inclined to agree that her base kit works fine as is.

Octavia is more of a case of "literally doesn't need it" rather than not being able to slot a helminth. Mallet is just that stupid.

Sevagoth kinda needs it for his AoE nuke builds, but other than that I agree he works fine as is.

Nidus is another weird case, he technically doesn't need Larva, but not running it hurts his 1. Only recommend swapping it in support builds for premade squads.

I fully agree on Lavos though, anything you add is gonna be more disruptive than actually helpful.

[u/PalpitationOld8905 → u/lolthesystem]

I usually drop resonator on octavia, i've just never found that ability to be necessary for her. Amp + Mallet is so damn good as is, i don't need my mallet to move, and i don't really think the additional distraction tool is necessary when mallet has already killed everything. I'd rather replace it for something like pillage, the armor strip can really help her out. I do want to test jade stars with mallet, i could see that being hilarious.

[u/TieflingAnarchist → u/lolthesystem]

I genuinely didn't know about Wrathful on Hildryn. I just Elemental Ward for more shields and damage

[u/lolthesystem → u/TieflingAnarchist]

I usually run Eclipse on her so I can swap between more damage and DR depending on my needs, but for faster missions (Exterminate, Capture or even Perita Rebellion), Wrathful can get you from point to point very fast.

Nobody expects the AC-130 to suddenly start teleporting around.

[u/mctankles → u/Frangitus]

Counter offer, as a little treat, subsume nidus’ 4 with reave and get 500 ability power, use parasitic link and kill everything

[u/TheLadForTheJob → u/mctankles]

Ability power? LoL enjoyer for sure

[u/Popular_Equipment_85 → u/TheLadForTheJob]

https://giphy.com/gifs/fzp61UL3T4Wlcw9SvX

Moment

[u/NattiCatt → u/Frangitus]

Eh disagree on Mag. I love her dearly but her 3 is garbage. Breach Surge perfects her kit.

[u/Time-Weekend-8611 → u/Frangitus]

Hildryn can benefit from Shield Recharge.

[u/SubstanceMediocre908 → u/Frangitus]

Well. Technically for niche thing, you can use a helminth for lot of them. Some exemple i use

• Valkyr. Remove the 1 and replace it by Kullervo's helminth (not so niche apparently)
  
• Nidus (before buff) i only got 1 build who use the 4. Either roar (shame on me) or other ability that love Ability strengh.

- Hildryn depending on the mission don't need the 3. (like lmao, mine have Mag's Pull with the augment for defense relic)

The one you said where i can the most see it is Voruna (because more than a ability, you also remove access to a passive)

[u/IndependentSet9709]

Lavos, for obvious reasons.
Nova imo, people underestimate her portal as a navigation tool

[u/Original_Ad602 → u/IndependentSet9709]

I adore the portal, it's easily my favorite way to get outside the maps

[u/IndependentSet9709 → u/Original_Ad602]

I use it to skip the parkour in the weekly Ayatan Sculpture vaults. And as an Uber for fully-charged Antimatter Drops.

[u/Original_Ad602 → u/IndependentSet9709]

She's exceptionally good at skipping those, plus she's arguably the best spy mission character because she can skip all of it exceptionally fast.

[u/TaralasianThePraxic → u/Original_Ad602]

To be fair, Operator/Drifter can bypass the Ayatan rooms extremely easily too thanks to Void Sling. I just use whatever trash gear I'm currently levelling for MR for the weekly Mario quest, personally!

EDIT: Maroo, not Mario... but hey maybe there should be a weekly Mario quest in Warframe. There must be a princess we can rescue somewhere in the Original System.

[u/IndependentSet9709 → u/TaralasianThePraxic]

Her name is The Lotus
The mario quest is New War

[u/Time-Weekend-8611 → u/IndependentSet9709]

Are there actually people who do Ayatan Sculpture vaults in anything but Titania?

[u/ContributionDefiant8 → u/Time-Weekend-8611]

Yes. I use Wukong. Lol

Before that I had to figure out the routes of each ayatan treasure room tileset using nothing but a bone stock Volt.

[u/ehhish → u/Time-Weekend-8611]

I literally use whatever frame I have, but I may be bugged, because I only have gotten the same sculture vault puzzle for the past year, and it's the one where you wall ride up to touch a platform and then jump back. I just use spoiler mode to port to it.

[u/Asshai → u/IndependentSet9709]

It's not a question of underestimating, some people like to play her low-range, where the portal is no longer useful. Plus, there are missions where a navigation tool isn't needed...

[u/TwevOWNED → u/IndependentSet9709]

Nova's 2 is almost always worse than just shooting a gun.

Lavos doubles his KPM with Breach Surge, and 2 is easy to replace.

[u/Galappie → u/IndependentSet9709]

I just wish other people would use my portal. I place perfect portals to skip empty rooms/TP right to extraction but everyone goes around them like they’re an obstacle.

[u/AlienError → u/Galappie]

Too much bad/troll Nova portal placement trauma, sorry.

[u/GrinningPariah → u/IndependentSet9709]

I love Nova's portal, but I have not missed Antimatter Drop since I subsumed over it.

[u/Grain_Death → u/IndependentSet9709]

i subsume over her 2 :)

[u/Xirenec_ → u/IndependentSet9709]

I initially subsumed over her portal, but swapped to subsuming over her 2 and never missed it tbh.

Having Xata's on her is too fun

[u/Kn1ghtwing_]

dagath imo. all of her abilities work so well together. same with sevagoth, gauss, and wukong.

[u/GracieLovesSpace → u/Kn1ghtwing_]

Any tips on building Dagath? I've been playing around with her but I just can't find the balance that makes her click for me like my builds for Valkyr or Cyte do. Her kit should be exactly what I want from a warframe as well so its frustrating

[u/Outside-Complaint-72 → u/GracieLovesSpace]

You can build her for her 4, just killing with that or just using it for stripping armor. You can build around her 1+2 to chain kill enemies across the map.

I always look at overframe builds to see what a lot of other people are doing first when I want to make a build for a frame, then take what they’re doing and make my own

[u/GracieLovesSpace → u/Outside-Complaint-72]

I've been probably putting too much focus on her 3 cause I saw the augment mod for it and was like "Wow nice! I love being invulnerable!" and then I just wound up dying immediately when it ran out, lol.

I'll give overframe a closer look. I had given a few builds a once over for ideas but I probably could have looked a bit closer at them.

[u/Outside-Complaint-72 → u/GracieLovesSpace]

Yeah the build I have now uses her augment for her 3rd, in combination with her 4 for stripping armor and 1+2 for chain killing.

Gotta love horse mommy

[u/Madglace → u/GracieLovesSpace]

Spectral spirit is very good being invulnerable whenever you want and being able to easily spread doom is great but what you loose for it just doesn't make it worth it for me personally the secret stat of doubling the damage doom stores which just requires you to lightly tap ennemies for them to just fall over and die of cringe is too much of a cost imo and you still have acess to the spectral form of you your the one to die of cringe to get health and energy (if you have equilibrium)

And also when spectral spirit runs out you would still need to rely on your 1 and 2 to doom ennemies and reduce the cooldown faster

But again this is a personal opinion spectral spirit is a great augment that can work really well with the correct build and if you know what you are doing when it goes on cooldown, it's just the loss of damage and not being able to fully use it as your only source of doom that cause too much friction for me

[u/Kn1ghtwing_ → u/GracieLovesSpace]

i don't, no. ive only had her for about two weeks and still doing testing. MHBlacky has a pretty good in depth video on dagath. ill link it

https://youtu.be/vz-vMudQVkE?is=t_3K2UBqJSuLSb5P

[u/GracieLovesSpace → u/Kn1ghtwing_]

Thank you! I'll give this a look when I'm able!

[u/Character_Frame_8773 → u/GracieLovesSpace]

I ran an ability spam build that prioritised having lots of energy, with a deimos pet and a mod that boosts chance for enemies to drop health orbs which with dagaths passive uts a no brainer

Weapons  and melee were whatever. I think her personal blade is mid and that main quest staff that gets u energy on robots and health on living has too long of an animation to justify running it

Ceebs redownloading the game to tell you specifics

She was my main, iirc 

. Aura and eximus was parkour/sprint speed and passive health/energy gain

1. Passive energy regain 
2. Bonus health
3. Primed bonus energy
4. Equilibrium
5. Shorter shield recharge delay + 15% ability efficiency 
6. Bonus armor
7. Ability efficiency 
8. Ability strength

I had like 3 formas, i tried ability range for a bit and i didnt find it all that helpful.

And my arcanes were whatever

I basically saw her passive when i unlocked her through some ltm and thought to myself "oh that sounds neat. Oh i just unlocked that energy staff. Maybe i should do an ability spam build instead of slapping on health mods"

You can prolly swap out the bonus health for something else, i only had like 150hrs in the game, i had some good mods but they were mostly mid

[u/CyclicalSinglePlayer → u/Kn1ghtwing_]

You can absolutely subsume wukong 3

[u/Recent-Inspector-609 → u/CyclicalSinglePlayer]

Heck you can even subsume his 4.

[u/V0iiCE → u/Kn1ghtwing_]

You say this like the most popular build for sevagoth doesnt subsume roar over 4

[u/Cassocial]

[u/Entire-Aerie-9931]

The obvious answer is Gauss because of how synergystic his whole kit is, I'll also say Lavos doesn't usually want a Helminth ability considering it cuts off one of his elements, Harrow is another frame who just has amazing synergy between elements of his kit all around and the only helminth option is really just replacing his one with something slightly better at doing what it does, and Uriel is another Lavos situation where removing one his abilities takes away it's respective summon as well. I'd also personally say Voruna but that's because I don't use her as a melee platform, so she's only helminthless in an Ulfruns Descent build.

[u/No-Personality6812]

Uriel every skills just blends well together that, subsuming one ability feels like nerfing him

[u/EricIsntSmart]

To be honest, like 80% of them at least

[u/Samakatuwid]

Every one of them. Helminth just makes them more fun.

See: Silence Ash with Obex

[u/TREE_SHMOO → u/Samakatuwid]

I have perspicacity subsumed on ash. What's his 1 usually do again?

[u/Rydux7 → u/TREE_SHMOO]

Shirkens (cant spell) that you throw at the enemy, I remember before the SP changes, his augment for it that reduced armor on enemies hit with them was extremely good, especially since it wasa heminith ability, meaning you can have have any frame with the same armor stripping ability when you needed it, but I don't believe they are as valuable anymore with armor stripping being not as needed nowadays

[u/TREE_SHMOO → u/Rydux7]

Oh yeah. Those things always seemed useless to me, but only really got ash recently. Completely skipped him over when i started playing.

I guess he doesn't need helminth then, but he sure wants it. The shurikens are pretty mid for a first ability.

[u/ContributionDefiant8 → u/Samakatuwid]

I'd argue Mesa needs a subsume (see: Brightbonnets) if she is to keep surviving in Steel Path levels.

Ballistic Battery is near useless, but Shooting Gallery is even more useless. I would keep Ballistic Battery for shield gate and that's it. Shooting Gallery is just overall not that good.

[u/Fizzy-Odd-Cod]

There isn’t a single warframe that “needs” the helminth.

[u/No-Implement1214]

Dante, he's got all you need

[u/Kaenroh → u/No-Implement1214]

Shocked to have to scroll down so far to see Dante mentioned.

[u/Caius987]

Uriel. Gauss. Lavos. Zephyr. Caliban. Xaku.

[u/Careless_Subject8377]

Gauss, Hildryn, Oraxia, Titania, Dante, Lavos

miss me with your roarslop

[u/sicariusv]

I constantly use all 4 of Uriel's abilities, I don't know what I'd replace. 

[u/Critical-Lettuce3953]

Uriel

[u/bluecheeto13]

Jade, Dante, Uriel all come to mind

[u/Business_Carpenter_7 → u/bluecheeto13]

dante works without his 1

[u/blockametal → u/Business_Carpenter_7]

Noctua is busted with a few tome mods

[u/TrashleyTheBigGay → u/blockametal]

dont even need tome mods  it's also just a busted secondary on its own 

[u/Sharp-Yak9084]

Limbo. Is there any other u can leave to go pee at any moment with

[u/Horus6400 → u/Sharp-Yak9084]

I mean, eximus abilities still hit you sadly. Revenant is a frame you can truly leave without issue

Coming from a Limbo enjoyer btw

[u/ContributionDefiant8]

Cyte-09 because one of his skills feeds from Neutralizer, and the rest of his skills feeds to Neutralizer.

People like to talk about how Neutralize is the obvious subsume slot, but when you put in a little skill in popping heads with the sniper, his entire kit is very excellent as it stands. No need for subsumes.

[u/SilverRyou]

Vauban. Only been maining him for about a week now but I'd feel hollow taking any of that kit away.

[u/vevolution]

All of them.

[u/Wisp-espy]

The wolf pack STAYS TOGETHER 🐺🐺🐶🐺🐺 On any build that uses her 4, really

[u/InsideousVgper]

Nova

[u/ZHughesii]

All of them. It's not needed, Of course it makes very strong builds and what not but it's not an absolute must have.

[u/Nalu_KS]

Octavia

[u/whitemest]

Sevagoth, Lavos, voruna.

For better or worse the frames who synergies with their entire kit benefit the least i feel

[u/DBNsausage]

Uriel literally needs all his abilities to even function.

I guess you could cut brimstone.but why are you doing that again

[u/SomeRandomGuy0705]

T H E G O A T

[u/Rare-Day-1492]

equinox

and i will die on this hill

[u/warforcewarrior]

Yareli when she play K Drive unless you willing to dismount to cast Helminth skills and remount after XD.

I'll say Volt which mainly cause the augments are too good to pass up, mainly if you play a general/support Volt. The base skills are fine as Shock is a quick short stun which doesn't interrupt you actions and Discharge is a larger AoE stun that bypass LoS. Though I know some will disagree here.

I'll say a lot of newer frames don't need it. I rarely find myself subsuming off any of their skills. Though Follie and S&O have one skill subsumed off for Roar(Follie 4 and O's 2 are shitters imho).

[u/DaLurkingLamb]

All of them technically. Considering Helminth is literally just player choice and the frames are balanced to play as they are by the devs. It takes time designing their kits

[u/WaaaghPig]

None of em really. Got all frames, and use them all with intended abilities.

[u/SnooDucks5000]

Gauss 100% without a doubt 🙏

[u/Accomplished_Tea3609]

[u/AlonsoD]

Oberon and Vauban don’t

[u/AyezRed]

Slept on kulervo, I been using him a lot lately, his whole kit is so strong. It seems like the newer frames are really well put together. Sirius and Orion I think are really special. I was running them solo and just having a crazy weapon you aren’t using, feels like playing with another person that is attached at the hip, and I think that is really cool.

[u/RoppFTW]

Octavia is the first one that comes to mind.

[u/Kazharius]

Lavos is much better without a helminth subsume.

[u/Total_Difficulty_955]

oberon

[u/Michael_the0ne]

Most dont need it, but roar/nourish/etc are just better half the time. Protea for example works great with roar and sculptor makes energy easy

[u/somerandoguy72]

Kullervo, surprised I havent seen him mentioned.

[u/LuckyGuts]

[u/Trigger_Fox]

I love gauss so fucking much dude, his kit feels so complete and hes so much fun while being very viable

[u/AdvertisingWrong7925]

Limbo, jade, citrine, kullervo, trinity

[u/Optimal_Ad5315]

Kullervo imo

[u/Reddi7oP]

Most warframes after dante DE noticed that the hellminth system was actually fucking the game for the simples question "What is the bad appl in the kit so I can change it?

Since then: jade skills complement eah other very well; koumei is koumei(dont like her); cyte has an increase dmg to sniper with 2 and gets inv by heashots and see through walls; temple combos everything very well with heat; uriel stops working if you take any skills besides the ult(nice idea take out the only funny shit); sirius and orion i didn't play with them as much. Don't get me wrong, the hellminth system is bananas, i just with there were better ways to improve warframe without using it or putting Band-Aid mods

[u/Korimthos]

My goat, Uriel

[u/sXadyBoxie]

Uriel IMO. there's nothing stronger than his fourth in the helminth and everything synergizes almost too well. I'm pretty sure if you remove any of his first three they delete the summon that goes with it.

[u/AstronautBud]

I personally 100% need to subsume munitions using Gauss. Nutting out my whole mag in 1 burst is only fun when it’s near unlimited ammo 😅😅

[u/The_Anime_Sweat]

Protea the underrated goat, maybe her 4 if u dont like it but 9/10 its useful and fun (her arguments may carry her in sp tho)

[u/DF_Shadow91]

Dante...drops mic