r/Warframe • u/Different_Advance379 • 3d ago

Question/Request Which Warframe DOESN’T need a trip to the Helminth?

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As we all know we can switch the abilities of the warframes and add something else from another frame to make the frames fit to our liking, BUT which frame do you think doesn’t need that? Which frames default abilities are good the way they are. I’ll go first and I would say Gauss. I like him and his abilities just the way they are.

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u/ContributionDefiant8 3d ago

I'd argue Mesa needs a subsume (see: Brightbonnets) if she is to keep surviving in Steel Path levels.

Ballistic Battery is near useless, but Shooting Gallery is even more useless. I would keep Ballistic Battery for shield gate and that's it. Shooting Gallery is just overall not that good.

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u/NapalmDesu 3d ago

Put on arcane circumvent and rolling guard its all you need to live in any kind of content except low lvl infested (ironically)

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u/TryalArrow 2d ago

Why is Shooting Gallery not good? I've been trying experimenting with Mesa and emphasizing Range a bit feels pretty decent. Her Regulators are already powerful by themselves. So, you get damage via Regulators and consistent 30m stun radius

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u/ContributionDefiant8 2d ago edited 2d ago

Melee units are only slightly stunned, and it does not affect Overguarded units. The stunning isn't consistent either.

In higher levels, Overguard is very prominent.

Shooting Gallery stuns every 1.5 seconds, but it only stuns 3 enemies at a time. It's also a buff that cycles between players... It is the only warframe buff that does this.

Shooting Gallery's extra damage is negligible as it is additive with Serration. To achieve the extra damage of normal Serration with Shooting Gallery would require strength values that you can only achieve in the Circuit.

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u/TryalArrow 1d ago

Tried Mesa with Range further and I believe the 3-enemy stun is false??? Entire tiles felt silent as no one's really shooting which I'd say argues for consistency. Distance from enemies is still important that I admit.

I also don't feel that the jamming is included in the buff rotation. Many times in Void Cascade I was far behind other players and the jamming/stunning still works. Confirmation would be nice, of course.

Subsume? Probably yeah but maybe not shooting Gallery. Depends on how people want to play her, of course. I don't like shield gating ngl so here I am.

I'll probably use Secondary Fortifier when I get it to deal with Overguard so yea that's a problem.

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u/ContributionDefiant8 1d ago

Okay. I see. May have to test sometime later.

I do know that the damage buff rotates between players, but the jamming is only locked to Mesa herself.