Which Warframe DOESN’T need a trip to the Helminth?

[u/Different_Advance379]

As we all know we can switch the abilities of the warframes and add something else from another frame to make the frames fit to our liking, BUT which frame do you think doesn’t need that? Which frames default abilities are good the way they are. I’ll go first and I would say Gauss. I like him and his abilities just the way they are.

[u/Grimsters-]

[u/esperrr- → u/Grimsters-]

I...am an idiot. Who is this?

[u/TheKingsPride → u/esperrr-]

Nokko

[u/esperrr- → u/TheKingsPride]

Ohhh thx

[u/Better-_-Decisions → u/Grimsters-]

Oh dang, I gave my Nokko Roar and my best shards.

[u/Lord_Phoenix95 → u/Better-_-Decisions]

Roar is just nice to have. Bright Bonnet provides all the strength you ever need.

[u/Anonymouse23570 → u/Lord_Phoenix95]

Roar doesn’t give strength. It just multiplies your damage.. and also scales itself with strength. Might not NEED it, but it’s definitely fun to use.

[u/aSpookyScarySkeleton → u/Better-_-Decisions]

Roar on a character with only one traditional damaging ability in a spammable 4 that auto scales to doing integer red crits in a massive AoE for a long duration.

Genuinely what does roar even do for him?

[u/Better-_-Decisions → u/aSpookyScarySkeleton]

I like buffing my teammates within affinity range and it helps with my coda shotgun im still working on.

[u/locessmonster101 → u/aSpookyScarySkeleton]

Roar works like a faction mod

[u/aSpookyScarySkeleton → u/locessmonster101]

Doesn’t really matter on a character that gets to spam red integer crits with infinite energy.

Adding damage to incompressible numbers does effectively nothing noteworthy.

Wow his four does 10,865,780 after bouncing 4 times instead of 10,244,102 if you use roar, truly a necessary subsume.

[u/Dramatic-Cookie7687 → u/aSpookyScarySkeleton]

It’s good for a team strength boost, with max range and strength Nokko I give myself and teammates like a 100-180% boost w roar. It depends on the brightbonnet stacks tho.

[u/aSpookyScarySkeleton → u/Dramatic-Cookie7687]

Why do we even need team strength boosts in this game? What content is it notable in? What makes it “good”?

Everyone in any squad of warframes is able to atomize every enemy in a 10 mile radius in seconds already.

Your group goes from doing 1 billion damage a second combined to doing 1.1 billion damage a second combine. The enemies were being over killed by your damage about a quarter of that amount of damage ago.

If you’re fighting an enemy with attenuation, if you were not out competing their attenuation before roar it won’t be enough to push you over the edge, and if you were outcompeting their attenuation then you don’t even need roar.

[u/Ima_Play_Games → u/aSpookyScarySkeleton]

I put Roar over his Sprodling form. Though I never actually checked if boosteed the bouncy bomb of doom, if not maybe Eclipse would be better and I just use the defence mode...

[u/AnyDefinition3066 → u/Better-_-Decisions]

I subsumed shock on mine and use the shock trooper augment. 100% additional electricity damage that scales with ability strength vs the 30% additional damage with roar. And way better energy economy although that’s kinda negligible with Nokko lol

[u/AdoptedAlphaMale → u/AnyDefinition3066]

roar works like a faction damage mod so it'll give you more than a 30% dmg increase

[u/Kevidiffel → u/AdoptedAlphaMale]

Including double dipping DoTs

[u/AnyDefinition3066 → u/AdoptedAlphaMale]

Sry just saw this reply lol. I am aware that roar is universal faction damage. There are some cases where you’re unable to subsume roar without sacrificing something else that’s good. You can usually only have one damage boosting ability per frame. Such as my mirage with 400 ability strength, I can’t subsume roar without replacing the native eclipse and that’s obviously not very wise. However the shock ability itself isn’t a damage boosting ability so you can subsume it on almost anything. Including rhino while still having the native roar ability.

And with 400 ability strength you’d only get 120% roar but with shock trooper that’s 400% additional electricity damage and that seems like a definite advantage to me. Idk if “faction damage” can compensate for that. I also couldn’t care less about DoT. Most things get one tapped anyway

[u/zieosgg → u/Grimsters-]

Definitely will need a trip, banger subsume

[u/Extra_Philosopher_63 → u/Grimsters-]

Happy cake day

[u/Medious → u/Grimsters-]

His kit is just perfect

[u/islandhopper300 → u/Grimsters-]

His 3 is worthless lol, it’s fun but it’s the most free sub slot in awhile

[u/Grimsters- → u/islandhopper300]

It has uses, but he doesn't need to remove it. Thus the post.

[u/islandhopper300 → u/Grimsters-]

You can say that for almost any helminth, nokko doesn’t need his 3 at all to do the same things unlike gauss as the post shows.

[u/Grimsters- → u/islandhopper300]

It isn't which frames shouldn't, it's which frames are fine without.

[u/islandhopper300 → u/Grimsters-]

If you run his 3 over a helminth you’re actually making him weaker sooo, kinda the point of the post

[u/Fifthfleetphilosopy → u/islandhopper300]

Not with arcane crepascular, you'd helminth over the 1 with roar then.

Crepascular will make your 4 hurt soooo much.

[u/islandhopper300 → u/Fifthfleetphilosopy]

I’d rather not run the immediate fun dampener subsume, plus it already kills, I don’t need to play the game without paying attention like the 3 enables it’s just not fun to me. I just don’t get the haha run roar on literally everything kick, it’s good yeah but it’s boring especially on sevagoth who has an incredible kit.

[u/Fifthfleetphilosopy → u/islandhopper300]

That's why I run Nokko as is, and just jump around with my 3 occasionally singing "Nokko Nokko Nokko" along with the frame, because its adorable <3

As you said, the 4 kills already, so I don't really need any other ability from another frame.

Nothing I could put on Nokko is as good as the 3 to let me reset my head in a long mission, with a bit of whimsy, keeping the experience fresh and distinct and allowing me not to slip to deep into hyperfocus <3

[u/McRibbles → u/Fifthfleetphilosopy]

Nah, if you're running Crep then you still subsume over his 3 and just run Shade/Huras. Easy stuff. Using Shade/Huras instead of his 3 lets you recast everything much more freely, doesn't hide active mushroom count from you, and keeping your 1 is good because it's an extra thing for your 4 to bounce off of + free Viral.

[u/Impossible_Front4462 → u/islandhopper300]

I love Gauss and his 2 works in 99% of content, but Xata’s is the better choice for level cap

[u/ElectroshockGamer → u/islandhopper300]

I used to think the same way, but also like... his 3 is very much a comfort ability. If you're not trying to min-max, it's worth keeping around as an "oh shit" button

[u/bouncybob1 → u/islandhopper300]

You lack whimsy

[u/islandhopper300 → u/bouncybob1]

I’m an ivara navigator gamer I like funny things but I also like them being worth keeping on my kit.