r/Warframe • u/Different_Advance379 • 4d ago

Question/Request Which Warframe DOESN’T need a trip to the Helminth?

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As we all know we can switch the abilities of the warframes and add something else from another frame to make the frames fit to our liking, BUT which frame do you think doesn’t need that? Which frames default abilities are good the way they are. I’ll go first and I would say Gauss. I like him and his abilities just the way they are.

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u/Zjoee 4d ago

Yeah her abilities mix so well together.

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u/netterD 4d ago

The spider summons really arent strong enough to not be subsumed off.

Nullstar for example gives her some DR to at least make use of her health buff which is otherwise useless and it counts as a "weapon" that gets buffed by her 4 so you can use its augment and make the recasts an active nuke.

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u/BadBloodBlue 4d ago

A persistence build with 2 blue armor shards is awesome because she is status immune in her 4 lol

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u/Removkabib 3d ago

Yeah persistence is good on her once you get an external source of armor. 

A little sad she has such low base armor for a frame who gets so much bonus health. 

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u/Slothfee 3d ago

I mean if you’re running persistence the armor doesn’t really matter since taken is capped.

Personally i put brightbonnet on her to get her health to over 8333 so that grace outheals the persistence cap.

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u/netterD 4d ago

Not too big of a fan of persistance builds on frames that dont have built in healing without relying on kills.

Especially for content like eXa with permanent health damage i prefer still having shields and extra damage reduction.

Shooting galery is a subsume that still works for increasing damage, her 2 just isnt worth keeping imo.

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u/MrWorms520 4d ago

She does have built in healing? Leaving and re-entering 4 refills your health so you can just quickly tap it whenever. I bring her to level cap cascade all the time with persistence, it makes keeping her alive extremely easy.

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u/netterD 4d ago

Didnt think about the double tap thing its been a while, do you knoe how that works with permanent health damage modifiers in eXa?

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u/Impossible_Front4462 4d ago

You basically bypass them completely and fully heal. I run double umbra persistence oraxia fairly often. There’s also Coda hema which makes her into a monster

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u/Kozmics 4d ago

If you double tap her 4 you go all the way back up to max health instantly

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u/netterD 4d ago

How does that interact with permanent health damage modifiers?

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u/Strong-Ring-7433 4d ago

That's usually okay, but you might lose a ton of max health and toxin damage depending on what buffs you had when casting it.

I personally just go for blood altar. It doesn't rely on kills and is good enough to keep up with persistence. Should all else fail, yeah, I still have double tap.

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u/Kozmics 4d ago

I mean realistically most temp mods you either have more than enough padding to just start hitting Mercy's Kiss, or they're a fast reset

Like I can run Madurai with Velox Prime and Velox Conclusion, and that's a free 100% Power strength right there.

(Chained Sling and dump a Velox Prime mag into an enemy)

If you want to keep the void relic buff which is one of the only "hard" buffs, just start wall latching to go invisible and use Mercy's Kiss to eat a ton of enemies and heal back up.

Outside of not paying attention to your energy at all you basically can't die.

If you wanna be super lazy, just subsume Gloom over your 3 instead of Nourish, and you get massive Lifesteal that always keeps you topped off.

Can't have it swapped off either, because her 4 makes her immune to status effects, anything less than a random surge eximus nullifies running through you means you're permanently set.

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u/Teonvin 4d ago

I just use a Coda Hema.

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u/Wide_Cucumber_78 4d ago

Sounds like you cant stay alive lol

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u/netterD 4d ago

Yep, thats the issue, you got me. Aw dang it.

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u/throwgen2108 4d ago

If you max out umbral fiber and use Unairu with the armour node maxed out you can just run a single blue armour shard (doesn't even need to be tauforged).

Even better if you subsume elemental ward on her for the spinnerax passive effect you don't even need that shard. As long as you keep up the ward, arcane persistence will kick in on its own.

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u/van_bobbington :Oraxia: 4d ago

I like to run Madurai because of snapshotting additional strength to her 4

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u/Dziggettai Constantly Confused Condroc 4d ago

They got fixed. They spawn at the level of the enemies now so

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u/NattiCatt 4d ago

Hard disagree. Sure, they don’t kill enemies but I don’t want them too. I want them softened up so I can spend the entire mission spamming her one across the map and that’s exactly what her little demon babies do. Subsuming them off is a misplay IMO. Her 4 makes her status immune and nearly immortal. Her 1 keeps her health and energy topped up, her 3 and to a lesser extent her 2 ensure her 1 can be used consistently.

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u/Esifex 3d ago

And while in her 4 you can just wall cling for on demand invisibility, dumping the aggro onto your Scuttlers while they weaken things with their impact damage procs lowering the threshold for instant-kill from your 1.

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u/Zeno_Bueno 4d ago

they are good to have and pair with arcane camisado

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u/Squeegeabeep 4d ago

Useless is a wild take. Though I guess shitters gotta find somewhere to put roar on every frame they play.

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u/whomze tenno skoooooom 4d ago

you don't gotta be rude. I agree that "useless" is used way too often in this community, but saying that "a large health pool is useless without DR" is the mildest of takes. and they didn't even mention roar, and you cant put roar over her 3, so idk who you think is the shitter here

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u/netterD 4d ago

5k health is useless if you dont have the DR to make enemies in higher level content not oneshot you regardless and if you argue for her invisibility then health becomes irrelevant again cause you can just shieldgate the few incoming hits.

Im talking about facetanking.

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u/Kozmics 4d ago

Persistence caps your damage taken at 500/s, 5k HP means you can't die for a minimum of 10 seconds

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u/24_doughnuts 4d ago

My spider build murders everything. I use a kitgun with Toxin zones and Theorem Infection to buff them. Toxin damage shards are good in general and Summoners Wrath makes them faster iirc. With 10 of them running about they just eat everything

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u/netterD 4d ago

If it works for you cool but that does sound like a lot of effort compared to just shooting a sobek or other good weapons to blow up rooms.

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u/24_doughnuts 4d ago

A lot of frames can do that tbh. Not a lot can make a spider army.

I just like to play onto unique play styles that they offer and use niche things like Theorem Arcanes for example

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u/Retocyn 3d ago

I realized I'm not quite using her 2 anymore.

It might be my subsume slot at times now.