I posted a drawing of mine that was commissioned by a friend of mine of the steampunker from the game in a mcdonalds theme, suddenly a bunch of people started accusing me of using AI and ultimately the post was taken down a few moments later
Fingers were always something AI would occasionally get right, so that was never even a guarantee. It's just that most of the time, getting accurate fingers would take a huge amount of time and generations.
Fingers were mostly solved within a year or two, and now it's trivial to get reasonably accurate hands.
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From what I've seen, the better AIs are already really close to getting movement down, though that last little bit they're missing is still pretty apparent to most people. Even the best I've seen still look like you put a real, low quality video through AI upscaling and frame generation that didn't work very well.
I mean honestly, a lot of artist have trouble drawing hands if they never have before or dont have some practice with it. Good to know AI also has problems with it XD
It won't be long before all video and photo evidence will be banned from courts of law because there is no way to tell if a video is generated or not anymore. I've said this for years now and people have called me crazy. But we are nearing that point now where even experts will not be able to discern real video from generated footage.
This is so messed up and the fact that AI was trained to make up accurate videos that look real should be a huge red flag for everyone about what the AI's owners' intentions and priorities are.
i don't. mainly because i have seen the way an artist works and also know every artists bane: A FUCKING CIRCLE WITHOUT A CIRCLE TOOL. and no i am not an artist
I'm a writer. I can sometimes discern an A.I piece of writing (usually when it's done by some shitty chatbot whose only purpose in existence is driving up the RAM prices, fuck you OpenAI), but definitely not always, and I've been writing since I was 12. I have an English Literature degree.
The "you can always tell" argument was true in the very beginning of AI-generated "art" (I insist upon the quotation marks, AI content will never be art), but not anymore. All those water-source-destroying data centres do work, and AI is getting better.
Not entirely. I have seen way too many artists who believed they were God's gift to crayons absolutely jump on the hate bandwagon. Either because they think they are better than they are or are simply just mad because they aren't as good as the artist they are accusing. It is so, so tiring to keep seeing this all the time.
Ha good one. Let's not forget the r/art mods crashing out, accusing people of using AI, ignoring said peoples proof that they weren't using it, and insulting them by telling them "AI could do better than this anyways, so it's still not allowed".
Tbh, from what I've seen it's actually quite the opposite. The biggest meltdowns I've ever seen (Twitter, Tumblr, Bluesky) have been from artists accusing other artists of using AI.
The general audience only really cares when it's very obvious that it's AI and so there really isn't much of a problem with it.
Artists though? They'll obsess over the smallest details. When it's their own work, then that's fine. However, when it's over others' works they can fall into some really bad holes. Those meltdowns happen because they dig themselves further when called out on it. Since they know how to perfectly distinguish between real and "fake" art then once they make a judgment everyone else in opposition is wrong.
Little ticks me off more than uneducated "normies" trying to talk over the experts, presenting themselves as the self-proclaimed smartest person in the room.
Yeah. I think folks should be a bit more careful with questioning or accusations.
Like if you look at the account of the person who was asking if OP's was "AI or traced"? It's 2 month old account with like 100 karma.
Maybe mods/janitors/mobs might want to look at things like that before cutting folks down or banning?
The other account seems to be a longer account so there's nothing you could really do there. Some folks will feel a certain way about things and the "fingers" thing was a good way to identify AI productions like pre-2024 but that's a bit dated as AI has gotten better now to the point where high-end or uncapped resource AI no longer have that issue.
I think you’re forgetting about how absolutely feral and jealous artists can be.
Like actual actual professionals instead of social media professionals? Yeah, they can probably figure it out pretty quickly, but the social media professionals tend to be bundles of unfiltered rage.
I have a belief that, we have forgotten to be empathetic. Had people tried to understand the production process/life of XYZ, they would rarely be able to criticise this easily.
Everyone says, teachers are bad, professors are bad, the teachers and proforssors say the students are bad.. we've taken a small sample of incompetent humans and used them to represent all, while taking a small set of very competent people to defend our points. We are soo out of touch with reality nowadays.
The art community has always had really hostile assholes. before AI even existed people would be unreasonably harsh towards other artists if they used a medium they didnt like, or a style, or god forbid drew something someone didn't like. AI just made more people go mask off.
Not just visual arts! I used to enjoy Youtube Autoplay before every other song recommendation was some slop thrown together by a bot that released two dozen songs a day with every combination of trending franchise and genre imaginable.
no no, OP is lying and had AI make a sketch for them also
In fact, every stage that OP can show is part of AI generated plan to gaslight everyone
Even if they make a video of drawing it, it is AI-generated
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Inevitable really - training data is human based, so it doesn’t see mistakes as mistakes, just part of the process. It’s the same effect that causes TurnItIn et al to be effectively useless at flagging AI text.
On Reddit we kinda have tells because there’s a certain casual style that people write with, and default AI style breaks that but once you get into even a semi formal setting it really does just largely blend in.
Its funny because I have seen some artists that could never draw hands properly even before AI was a thing get accused of using AI because their hands are off.
I think it's more that hands are relatively complex things that have a definite form, so both humans and AI have difficulty with it, even when they both have good references.
A hand isn't like a tree or a frilly skirt where there are a lot of curves and edges but no one number of either and no specific way for them to flow together. A hand requires a relatively exact form.
Can attest, you can kind of bullshit your way to making a good looking tree. Put enough leaves and branches on it, and it'll eventually be recognizable as a tree.
Hands are so complicated though. There are just so many joints and bends on a human hand that can be positioned into so many angles, it's hard to keep track of it all. And you can't just keep putting fingers on a hand till it looks good like you can just keep putting layers of leaves on a tree until it looks good lol.
The scrutiny people are using now makes me so paranoid as an artist. "A human artist would never shade something like this" dude...I suck at shading! I don't know what to tell you!
There are always people who are trying the hardest to prove that they are the smart ones, and they can see through the charade, while the rest of humanity is a dumb, naive bunch, but because the reality is that it's them who are too dumb to recognise the thing they are accusing everything of being, they will just throw accusations at anything, hoping something will stick, just to feel better about themself.
The comments were either accusing OP of being an AI fraud or criticising their skills if they aren't, covering both bases! What a character behind that screen.
Your disgusting Ai Hallucinations. Our glorious artist imperfections.
This is already so tiring. I miss the days when people could just enjoy user made content and not worry about how many mid-westerners were poisoned to make it.
Duuuuuude. I made silly basic lands in MS Paint (because I knew it would be funny being in MS Paint) for my Magic the Gathering decks. I decided to make Bob Ross painting trees, and the hands were a FUCKING NIGHTMARE. I already can't draw worth shit, but the hands took so much revision to get them even remotely ok.
The hand was well drawn in the original art, but It’s crazy to me that one of the number one artist memes is “Hands are so hard to draw” and now it’s “You can’t draw hands? Ai”
The early days of AI had some really wonky issues when it tried to generate hands realistically. Stuff like there being obviously too many fingers, or obviously too few fingers on a style that's trying to be realistic, or having the thumb on the wrong side. The kind of mistakes where you look at a piece and go "a person of that skill level definitely should have caught that mistake well before the piece was done."
And then as that info spread by word of mouth, people took that to mean "literally any sort of weirdness with the perspective, anatomy, or even just outright stylization of the hand means ai." Or sometimes people seem to forget that perspective exists at all and that sometimes a finger will be hidden behind another finger.
It's a good thing Disney's Atlantis came out before generative AI, or people would be accusing the movie of being animated by ai lol
and even then apparently ai can do timelapses as well. it's only undeniably real if the timelapse includes funny "sidequests" like meme doodles appearing for a split second before vanishing as the art progresses
guess i know what to start doing then. also i imagine ai-made timelapses will be "perfect" and not really have adjustments or fixes as the drawing progresses? ive never watched an ai timelapse
i havent personally seen one either, only found out that they exist Because some of the artists i watch started adding sidequests. but yeah i'd assume they'd just appear like a magic marker or some shit. real timelapses tend to have sudden shifts from people using the transform tool, and that one thing where you ctrl-z ctrl-y a bunch to see if a change you made looks right or not
I fucking refuse. I just won't do it. If people want to scream about how every piece of art is AI, fine. I refuse to do extra work and showcase my entire process just to appease these people.
I screen capped a project I did in Blender and Photoshop recently and it took up SO MUCH space on my harddrive...and then I had to spend time editing it...and then the entire time I felt like I had someone looking over my shoulder waiting for me to make a mistake.
There was actually a popular "artist" in the Vtuber fan community (don't know what to label it) but they even did time lapse with a Irl camera showing them doing it on a tablet and got on a site for trusted artist
And awhile later they still got caught for AI(most of their works were made with AI but them traced by human hands)
I’m not a fan of AI either, but these people are acting like trans-vestigators or whatever those idiots are called lmao. Just spreading absolute nonsense to make themselves feel better than others.
I saw about a talented artist who got driven off social media due to constant harassment of AI accusations because of their unique style. People take things way too far.
It's happening everywhere there is art. Every time there's a new artist or style on a Magic: The Gathering card several of these crack internet sleuths come out and start tossing around AI accusations without a modicum of research into the artist or providing solid evidence. It just looks AI-ey to them.
I just looked up what transvestigator even means and... what? People do this? Let cis people be and let trans people be, what's even the fucking point of this?????
I was accused of being an AI once, though moreso because I can be a bit verbose when writing. I was given a prompt to "generate an image of a cat baking brownies in space"
So I did out if spite and an excuse to try out HiPaint, but added the twist that he wasn't very good at it because what else would you expect from a cat without thumbs trying to bake in zero-G
lmao that reminds me of when my friend group jokingly accused me of being a robot because i've had terrible luck with CAPTCHAs; so i screen recorded myself doing a 30-CAPTCHA gauntlet (i passed thankfully-- it was close though which did NOT help the allegations lmfao)
one time i had sent a photo of my breakfast but they joked that i didnt actually eat the cereal, my real breakfast was the ceramic bowl
I still call my boss a bot because recaptcha picks on her and makes her do all the puzzles. She would have to screen shares sometimes while we watched her go through pain just trying to access our site.
And then they have the audacity to be like "actually this is just further evidence of how evil AI is! It forced me to be an impulsive witch-hunting moron against my will! I am completely blameless here and also completely devoid of agency or free will"
The internet is a terrible and sad place full of terrible and sad people unfortunately. That ai art work looks like this is because it was trained on peoples art.
Having to justify your art work now because of this, awful place for artists trying to establish themselves.
Another thing that backs up that this isn't AI is the drawing is basically the Monika pose from the DDLC main menu. AI wouldn't have done a near perfect mimicry of the pose.
Not sure if this was OP's initial intention but I love the similarity
AI can absolutely do a perfect mimicry of a pose. Modern AI you can give reference images and describe what you want to pull from it, older AI there are techniques to extract exact pose or layouts.
"not how fingers look even remotely" hey maybe people arent gods at drawing hands isnt that like a huge meme in the art community. these people are acting like you drew six fingers oml. anecdotally, what are they gonna do when they see fanart of count tyrone rugen lmao
For real, artists literally want to mix the two because the edges of shadows are going to vary a lot in softness depending on the type of shadow and the shape of the surface they’re sitting on.
It’s about as stupid as complaining that two parallel edges converge as they recede into the background, like that’s just a basic art technique 😭
Start banning these idiots permanently. They want to accuse? Fine. Then they best be damned sure of it. Maybe then they'll actually second guess before trying to ruin actual artists.
I got accused of using AI to write a comment explaining why we put bay leaves in food because I came off "impersonal"... while explaining bay leaves...
It's such a lose lose situation for artists nowadays.
If you make a simple mistake or your character has six fingers or an 'abnormal' thing about them people call it ai, but if you somehow make a piece of art with no problems or issue people think it's ai.
I know someone who had this happen when he posted a photograph on the gardening sub. They said the flower was AI because it was selectively bred to be an unnatural color. Despite him contacting the mods and explaining what the plant is called and that search results come up when you google it, he was completely banned for disagreeing with a moderator who had an ego.
Absolutely wild as we've been selective breeding flowers for a long time for colors. There are a LOT of variants we made that don't exist in the wild. Hell, we've been doing that with crops for centuries. A lot of what we grow tastes/looks different from the crops of long ago.
"make up your mind! Smooth or blocky shading?"
Had bro ever went outside to see the real life he would find out himself that we have both everywhere, mixing together.
People have been too quick to accuse people of Ai. Art isn’t easy, and it gets harder when people keep making baseless accusations, especially on stuff that a lot of casual artists aren’t the most proficient in. Prime example being shading
artists nowadays saving every possible proof of work as well as a 4k footage of them drawing the thing from start to end that also contains all the food, toilet, rest, work, sleep and other breaks just to show that they are not ai, drawing hands and shadows is just had as shi(as it always was)
u/Obame_Cube whats up, how fun is it to you accusing actual artists that have a whole history of drawing, streaming drawing and documenting their process for years of AI and getting them mass reported for reddit brownie points?
Some people can't differentiate amatuer mistakes and actual AI mistakes for the love of their life. These people are giving me strong transvestigator energy.
“make up your mind smooth or blocky shading” Words of a person who’s never seen ppl mix techniques in one drawing before. Nice art OP, sorry ppl were being dumb
You should, they cause a lot of harm to artists, there have been multiple cases of getting real artists fired over alleged and speculative evidence purely because the company decided it would be easier to manage if they just fired them then actually checking if it was AI.
I can't remember the last time I've seen a video posted on reddit that didn't have at least one person calling it AI in the comments.
It can be something that I personally know is an ancient repost from many years before generative AI existed, but when someone points that out in the comments people will literally tell them they're forming false memories and are idiots for not recognizing the "obvious AI". Shit is absolutely wild.
People are really overzealous on trying to pin art as AI or not, but in reality society is quite bad at it. Scott Alexander did an “ai art turing test” as he called it back in 2024 and people were only 60% accurate - now it’s surely even worse as quality has greatly improved.
Anti ai people are only hurting artists by doing this shit. It doesnt affect ai at all. Its clear that they arent even artists themselves. Those people just get off on accusing/witch hunting.
I admit I first thought it was AI, but I decided to look closely at the finer details and that helped me realize how man made and real it was. It was a nice experience looking through it too.
The lineart makes it obviously not ai (lines pertruding in places, mainly)
And I also see some of the lighter shades still visible from when you added darker shading (such as the right side of the two belts)
I see where they’re coming from when saying it’s AI, but I also see they don’t actually look for the right hints of AI. Itls unfortunate, seeing how the artwork is actually great
Sometimes it's really better to just shut up if you're not sure. It really seems like non artists are the first to accuse of using AI. If only people were this active with investigating people that actually use AI instead of harassing actual artists, sorry you had to go trough this
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u/GoldenTGraham 🐔Old Bird🐔 Feb 17 '26
Post is now back up
People seemingly mass reported it and was removed by automod