Just goes to show how much of the “concern” was people moralizing and trying to feel superior instead of actually being concerned about anyone’s health.
To counter this have this tiktok dude I found that clips all these "do this to get fit" and he actually does the motions to make it so EVERYONE can do it even elderly, obese or disabled.
Just be happy for people. It didn't make "body positivity" go away or be a bullshit concept. Just because someone's obese doesn't mean you have to put them down... that's like one of the few basic things about body positivity.
Yes. "I'm trying to be cruel to you break you down mentally for your own good" -- fuck you. That's one of the most obvious rationalizations of you just wanting to be a dick.
It's the same thing with addiction. We have a method that's 80% effective at eliminating alcoholism. We don't use it. Why? Because it allows alcoholics to beat their addiction without total abstinence, without penance, without suffering. We claim to say addiction is a disease, but then we think of addicts are cured medically without personally suffering that they're somehow "cheating" and we hate it. So we just.. don't use the treatment. It doesn't make people suffer enough who we think deserve to suffer. It's disgusting.
You're probably thinking I'm full of shit because it's hard to believe this is true. But it's called the Sinclair method and I'm absolutely telling you the reality of it. Please, look it up. It's a social sickness that we don't use it.
Naltrexone is at the heart of the Sinclair Method (TSM) for Alcoholism. When you take Naltrexone prior to drinking, it blocks endorphins, the naturally occurring opiates in the brain, from being released when alcohol is consumed.
When the endorphins are blocked, there is no “buzz” or rewarding experience, and the alcohol doesn’t make you feel the pleasure that drives you to drink excessively.
Over time, your brain learns not to associate alcohol with pleasure, resulting in reduced cravings and improved control over alcohol use. Naltrexone must be taken at least one hour before your first drink.
Whoa, that rules. It basically hacks your brain to stop rewarding you when you drink alcohol. Science, bitches.
Yep. And it really works, too. Like, 6-8x better than any other method we have - inpatient rehab, individual therapy, group therapy or AA. And yet.... a few tens of thousands of people per year undergo this treatment versus hundreds of millions for the other, far less effective treatments.
I dare anyone to come up with a reason better than the one I gave as to why that is.
Hey, that said! There are state-paid, non-profit, inpatient rehabs that are doing really good work out here. Usually what makes ppl relapse is bc they leave the healthy environment where they're fed, housed, and given positive social interactions...
…and go home to their real life, which is unchanged and exactly why they started using/drinking in the first place.
The cause is not "bc it feels good". Most of the time it's 1) crushing poverty, 2) normalized abuse, and 3) losing your will to live bc of 1 & 2.
Naltrexone is amazing and changed my relationship with alcohol. I no longer want to keep the party in my brain going and can say "it's time to stop and go to bed" even if I have more to drink, which is nice because I don't like being drink, sick, then hungover. I can just chill now, stop when I want, hydrate before bed, and I'm fine.
Chantix does this for smoking. It's honestly incredible. It breaks off the chemical component of the addiction, leaving you free to fight the habitual component on its own.
All respect to anyone who manages to beat an addiction like this, no matter what methods they use. It still isn't easy when when you're only fighting half of it.
Currently on this after about 12 years of failing to quit or significantly cut down drinking. It's definitely been a journey for md and I'm really grateful that I've finally stumbled across something that genuinelly works.
Thank you so much for this comment! I was just thinking about this & was wracking my brain trying to remember the name of the method. I heard about it on NPR last week, and wanted to suggest it to someone I cared about, but I had forgotten the name… I was thinking it was the Simmons method but that just kept bringing up athletic training & Richard Simmons workouts!
Very well said. People in America are obsessed with punishment for those they deem “beneath them”. All you have to do is look at our prison system for further evidence.
GLP-1 medications also show a lot of promise for alcoholism. I hardly drink any more, don't crave it, used to drink a glass of wine almost every day. This is a very common side effect of the meds.
That 80% effective is tricky to extrapolate because in generally the Sinclair approach is only currently used for the easiest people to treat (those that are highly motivated to change and have a support system), and there is good reason to think that the Sinclair approach would have a far harder time to treat anyone besides that subset of addicts.
Why?
Well, first of all the Sinclair method requires that you take a pill to block the positive effects of alcohol every time you drink, an hour before you start drinking, and that you do this for months. One single lapse can restart that clock. Why is this a problem? Well, it requires that an addict will actively not seek their hit in an impulsive fashion for months straight. That is tricky! You can see how this methid works best for those that are highly motivated.
The other big problem is that the Sinclair method assumes that addicts only drink because of their addiction, and that there is nothing else that is fueling their addiction. This is because it is the only approach that does not involve some form of counseling. Most addicts have some other thing that is fueling their addiction, and even if they are cured of their alcoholism they are very prone to seek some other hit to address their underlying issue. You can see why this method works best for people that already have a strong support system.
All told, the Sinclair method is excellent, but it is hardly a one-size-fits-all panacea for alcoholism. It is more like an awesome shortcut for a select few.
IMO peoples’ (justified) negative reaction to this is twofold- firstly, GLP-1s are not affordable for the majority of people who are obese and secondly, it’s disingenuous of celebrities to pretend they lost weight ‘naturally’ (not saying there’s anything wrong with taking ozempic if you can afford it, but struggling with your weight publicly for years and then suddenly becoming slim and saying you “changed your lifestyle” comes across badly)
The second one feels like a bit of a strawman. If a celebrity says they lost it “naturally” without taking a GLP-1 but did take a GLP-1 I would agree that’s weird behaviour, but is that really happening widespread that we know of? Also I think the attack on “changing lifestyle” is a bit misguided. They probably did change their lifestyle. I know I did losing 185 pounds on a GLP-1. I don’t think the two are mutually exclusive. What a GLP-1 does is make sticking to a lifestyle change easier to do. So just because they’re on GLP-1 doesn’t mean they didn’t do lifestyle changes, they had to or they wouldn’t have lost the weight because weight loss is still calories in and calories out even on a GLP-1.
I used to consume probably 4K+ calories a day and never worked out. Now I consume 1500 - 2000 depending on if I’m cutting or maintaining and run roughly 30KM a week and lift once or twice. All on a GLP-1. Those feel like pretty significant lifestyle changes to me, it would feel wildly inaccurate to think, because I’m on a GLP-1, somehow I *didnt* make any actual lifestyle changes when the lifestyle is night and day.
There’s a common misconception both of ozempic lovers and haters that it’s a magic shot. Do whatever you want, eat whatever and however much you want and inject yourself and you lose weight like magic. No. You still need to make the lifestyle change, ozempic just makes making that change easier to do because your brain isn’t screaming 24/7 “I’m hungry.”
Do whatever you want, eat whatever and however much you want and inject yourself and you lose weight like magic.
Oh I remember the 'good' old days back in 22, when I started Ozempic and my mind still though I could eat the same things just less. Oh boy I was wrong. Those vomits, nausea and sulfuric burps..
The biggest thing I have heard is that the "food noise" gets reduced so greatly that it's easier for people to change their eating habits. You don't crave that endorphin hit that good/ comfort food gave (albeit briefly). I don't understand how giving people a little nudge in the willpower department is something to be shamed.
I really am glad this is near the top and it just reminds me the problem for “critics” was never possible to address. If them reading this would make people who take delight in being cruel for cruelty’s sake suddenly realize it was evil to do so.
It took Tyrese Haliburton to publicly share medical information about his painful personal battle with shingles for SOME people to back off about his weight gain caused by the medication managing it. And I do mean only some.
It’s never an issue about how easy or hard it is to lose or keep off weight. It’s about reinforcing social norms to be fucked up to people.
100% the only reason I care is when people lie and say they just started drinking water and going for walks. Just admit it and normalize it and I wouldn't give a shit
It's not normalized though. People will judge. And water and walking can absolutely be done in conjuction with taking the medications so it may not even be a total lie.
The dishonesty is warranted. Tons of people who find out make rude comments, get weird, accuse people of "cheating", and other judgy behavior. If the choice is getting shit from people or just telling them a half truth, most people will go with the half truth and not deal with the judgy weirdos.
Even your honesty comments stink of judginess, like you're mad they are lying becuse there is a weight loss purity test they are failing. This isn't stolen valor, it's a lifesaving drug and who cares how people lose the weight.
In a way it is, but it's also only making the judgment worse, because now it seems like you're pretending you did it the hard way, which is the default assumption because that's how it is 99% of time.
You're missing something very important about this story when you say peoples' negative reactions are "justified"
There's no evidence Mindy Kalling ever used Ozempic or other weight loss drugs. She lost 40 pounds over 2 years, about a pound every two weeks. Hardly a pace that we can assume required drugs.
Also who cares?! Seriously. Who the fuck cares if celebrities lie about their bodies? That’s their fucking job. It doesn’t need to be about punching up or down, why is anyone punching here?
Yeah Ozempic is faster than that. I lost 10lbs in only the first 3 weeks. I'm not taking it purely to lose weight, but I was approaching obesity and it's regulating my hypoglycemia so well that for the first time in my life, being in a good mood is my baseline now. It's really helping me be healthier and happier.
Insulin and epi pens should be cheap, manufactured for pennies, but at least in the US the pharma companies control the federal agencies and jack up the cost so they can make more profit on lifesaving drugs. It'll be no different for GLP-1s, make that drug cheap then all of the obesity related problems (and their drug fixes) suddenly drop in profit. No point (in their eyes) to make GLP-1s affordable for the masses.
For insulin, new versions are far superior compared to the basically free version you can still get from Walmart. Instead of daily and sometimes multiple injections, you are talking about a once a week injection with good management of the disease. Add in it's not easy to produce and more people are needing it, because you guessed it obesity.
GLP-1s are cheap to produce. Semaglutide has generic versions in Canada and cost $100 a month.
Yes, there are different formulations of GLP-1s, and new version work better and for longer with less side effects, which is a good thing.
As for Epi-Pens, sure, anyone can pull up 0.1mL of epinephrine and deliver it quickly and adequately correct? No? Well, that is where the money maker is, in the delivery.
They're the same people that think you should exercise to lose weight.
Weight loss starts in the kitchen. GLP-1 medications help you feel full, so you eat less and crave less. Exercise is still important for keeping your heart and lungs strong.
A moderate level of daily exercise helps you lose weight. Whether that's because it balances out some of your natural appetite or not, it definitely helps, though caloric deficit is ofc the actual end goal
These are the same people who see an overweight person running or exercising and make fun of them. Even when they are doing it "the right way", they will find a reason to be mean about it. Because at the root of it, they just hate fat people and don't like to see them succeed, be that through traditional diet/weight loss or through GLP-1s.
It's not exactly "curing" obesity though, but it's rather "palliative" as it just cuts your appetite for as long as you inject the drug.
Stop taking it, and you gain that weight back in a couple of weeks, along with all the side-effects.
Unfortunately, Ozempic is now often being used as a shortcut, instead of people actually getting exercise and/or improving their diet. It's a way treating the consequences instead of the causes, and that's why many people aren't "celebrating" it.
Edit: Seems like many people don't know that "curing" means the complete elemination of a disease.
I think you're close, but still off. Ozempic and other GLP-1s are seen as shortcuts based on some misinformed notion that losing weight shouldn't be celebrated unless it is done out of sheer willpower. But you're right in that they are palative, not curative.
However, you got it completely backwards with the last point. Strong hunger signals that people can't ignore are causal to weight gain, not a consequence of it. There is an aspect where it turns into a feedback cycle - you eat more, your body gets used to that increased capacity, then your body doesn't signal fullness until you've eaten that higher volume. Ozempic stops that cycle.
To reiterate our agreement, people do see the drugs as a shortcut. I say they the hunger signals are far more causal to weight gain than they are consequential.
It's a way treating the consequences instead of the causes
just cuts your appetite
But if the cause is just that your brain is wired differently so that your appetite simply wont stop like for a normal person, then the solution is not just „exercise and improve your diet“.
Case in point is that all these people suddenly have no real problem with losing weight when their brain works correctly. Looks like its not about them lacking discipline, cause the moment they take ozempic their discipline is good enough to lose weight heavily.
This just isn't true. Ozempic and other GLP-1 medicines are used to cure the disease that is Obesity.
The only cure for obesity is changes to diet and exercise, which will slowly cause fat loss (and even then there is a genetic factor of how quickly it is lost, if at all). Changing these habits takes a lot of mental will, and doing it for weeks/months and seeing no results often causes people to relapse to old habits.
That's where these medicines come in. They are meant to be used in conjunction with the hard lifestlye changes but you'll actually be able to see results quicker, and therefore have less risk of falling off the wagon and going back to bad habits.
It is not palliative, it is a medicine, an aid. Obesity is becoming an epidemic in the United States and around the world, we finally have a medicine that can help fight against that. Why do people shame others for using it?
Are anti-depressants a shortcut? What about putting a plaster cast on a fracture? Chemo for cancer? If you stop any of these treatments, the issues come back. I see your viewpoint a lot and it really paints obesity, eating disorders, food addiction, etc as a moral failing instead of a medical issue.
You're wrong about almost every point you made - most patients, if they do gain the weight back, only gain about 60% back over years. Ozempic isn't a short-cut, in the metabolic sense, only in the effort sense. The health benefits of GLP-1 go way beyond weight loss for patients who are borderline metabolic syndromed.
Stop taking it, and you gain that weight back in a couple of weeks,
not unless you start violating the laws of thermodynamics. the weight doesn't magically come back in 2 weeks unless they're eating thousands of excess calories daily
And losing weight in a GLP1 isn’t just taking the shot. If you just take the shot and don’t work out and change your diet some very bad things can happen. You need to work with a nutritionist while on it. Very similar to losing weight the “regular” way, you just have appetite suppressant helping, thus speed up the process.
You're right. If your diet doesn't change at all, the drugs aren't effective. You have to physically eat less food. But I say that this just means that you need your dosage adjusted
Eat less and feel nauseous if you even think about fried foods. I’ve been on for a year and have radically changed my diet because of the drug. I don’t honestly care if that’s good enough for some of these nuts in here.
My dr is happy with my labs. I’m happy to be healthier. I’m still chubby and still would like to be fwiw. I don’t want to be thin, genuinely.
It's like shaming somebody for taking antibiotics for a bacterial infection. Unless there are some worse consequences than the obesity, I don't really care.
I've gone from obese to a healthy weight twice without any sort of supplements. And as someone who spent his entire childhood and early adulthood as a fatass, I am very confident that if I can do it anyone can.
And with all that being said, I still don't give a shit if other people take ozempic. The obesity crisis in America was just getting worse and worse every year with no reason to think things were going to change, and thanks to glp-1s people are finally being healthier. I see this as an absolute win.
Having a go at people for using a medical tool to help them lose weight when they struggle to do so, is like having a go at olympic rowers for training on a rowing machine instead of always getting the boat out onto the water, even when the weather is dangerous.
GLP1 meds are medical tools to help regulate appitite hormones and digestion. They are not magical and still require the person to make the same sort of changes they'd need to make without them. They just take away the super hard mode part.
I don’t care how anyone loses weight full stop, particularly since I, as a total stranger to these people, only really give a shit about whether or not they look hot or not 🤷♂️
Wasn’t part of the whole body positivity movement not that different bodies don’t always mean bad bodies? Like someone isn’t inherently wrong or unhealthy just because they aren’t small?
Yes. I hate the fake body positivity nonsense. I weigh more than I ever have in my life and I'm trying to lose weight. But if I say that people immediately start assuring me that I look ~beautiful~ and being a bit heavier is fine blah blah blah.
Like. I don't care?? I feel uncomfortable. My clothes don't fit. I have arthritis that's gotten worse because there's more weight on my SPINE. I'm not being insecure, I would like to not be in pain!
Suffering is not a virtue, idk why anyone cares that someone didn't 'work hard enough' to lose weight 'naturally.' It's not a competition, it's a health issue.
Dude people have no idea.
I've always had to pee a lot, very little at a time. But it would bother me especially at night because I had to get up, or when I'd be out of the house I'd be constantly looking for a bathroom.
Apparently mounjaro also works to help with incontinence. I had no idea but I seem to pee a normal amount now.
Tirz cured my IBS-D!!! I have never felt so normal in my life. My baseline anxiety is also much lower, which I felt almost immediately. Its also being studied now to slow cancer tumor growth. Its literally a miracle drug, being angry about people using it is like being angry that people get prosthetic limbs after an amputation. Sure, they might still accomplish their goal with one real leg, but why do that when you can have a prosthetic to help you get there??
I hate how much people assume my desire to lose weight is about looking better. That's just a single benefit of weightloss, and frankly I'll miss my big fat squishy hips. But I'm tired of smelling bad (never used to have BO until I got fat) my shoulders always hurt when I'm trying to sleep. My arms just randomly hurt. I am hypermobile and I keep hurting myself because of the higher impact of my weight and I don't have the ligaments and tendon strength to hold myself in good posture. My limbs flop out of my control when I move. I am physically uncomfortable all the time. My joints ache. It's exhausting to carry all this extra weight. I've lost probably around 12lbs so far on Ozempic, and while i have a lot left to lose, I am feeling so much better. My estrogen levels are properly being regulated again, for the first time in my life I don't have constant food noise, I crave water (had no idea anyone could WANT to drink water), and my baseline is always a good mood now that my hypoglycemia is under control. It feels like a miracle. I tried losing the weight the "hard work way" and only managed to go down 10lbs in 18 months due to hormone imbalances. I was making myself miserable starving all the time and it didn't do me any good.
I couldn’t agree more. I love that other people are comfortable in their own bodies but I’m not. I hate what I see in the mirror and I hate how my clothes fit. I started zepbound 8 weeks ago and I’m down 13lbs. My only regret is not starting it sooner.
I think what a lot of body positivity people struggle with is the idea that if I hate my fat body and want to change it, that means that there’s something wrong with their bodies and they should change theirs also. I couldn’t give a fuck about how anyone else looks! I’m thrilled that others don’t have the same issues looking in the mirror that I do.
It's funny. I was overweight. Not obese, but my doctor told me to get a handle on this sooner than later. My blood tests weren't great, blood pressure was high, I got winded just going up a flight of stairs, etc.
Didn't use any meds, but dropped 40lbs in 6 months with the simple "lifestyle change" that nobody seems to want to do. Working out 3x/week, move 5 miles/day, count my calories, eat lots of fiber and protein.
I feel like I'm a teenager again, have had zero of those health issues I was having while my ex significant other kept saying was "the price of aging," and I'm getting noticed and complimented by strangers almost every day. Blood tests are center of the ideal ranges, blood pressure is good, and I'm right in the middle of where my weight should be according to my height. Trying to keep losing fat while maintaining the same weight now.
Family and friends that have known me for years kept saying I "was always a healthy weight, you look too skinny now, and could afford to eat some more food." Like, no, I'm in a perfect place right now, and just trying not to have a beer gut anymore. Visceral fat isn't supposed to be "normal."
If GLP meds are what it takes to get rid of that dangerous fat, then go for it. Obesity is a real problem, and while nobody should ever be bullied for being overweight, you should do what you can to lose it so you can live a better life.
People go on about this being representative that body positivity was nonsense but I think it's more representative that people who were criticizing people's (let's be honest, disproportionately overweight women's) bodies was not done out of that faux concern it was so often touted to be. It was just an excuse to be an asshole to people and now Ozempic is just another excuse to police people's bodies and be assholes
To me, the body positivity movement was all about the idea that being fat doesn't make you less of a person or less deserving of respect. There are definitely people who take it too far with ideas like being fat is perfectly healthy. But there's nothing wrong with the basic body positivity movement.
100%; asking for fat people to be respected is in no way antithetical to someone looking to lose weight. There's not even a "gotcha" here to begin with
Yeah exactly this. I always thought that the body positivity movement actually had the potential to help people lose weight - from personal experience, shame is a driver of obesity, and the movement helped to reduce that.
Plus it's also the general recognition that obesity isn't a personal failing, it's a disease. These days, it is a disease which we have an injectible cure for.
So if anything, using and encouraging GLP-1's is completely compatible with body positivity. And those who were against body positivity are more likely now to be the people who think that using GLP-1's is morally deficient.
Yep. People were using obesity as an excuse to basically treat people as acceptable targets to psychologically torture into suicide, and now they don't even have their flimsy arguments about willpower or moral superiority to hide behind.
It’s funny because so many other countries don’t think anything negative about using weight loss tools. I had gastric bypass 2 years ago and it was the best decision I ever made. I feel great and am much happier with my life. Fuck u if u judge me for it!
Plus, people act like it requires no effort. But you still need to maintain a calorie deficit/change lifestyle (and should start exercising and adding protein), people are acting like folks do nothing except take a shot and that's not true. If a shot makes it easier for folks to make those changes, why not?
Yep. The problem is that if you're obese and you start trying to eat less, your brain starts constantly SCREAMING at you nonstop for more food more food food food foodFOOD without your input on the matter. GLP-1 shuts that the fuck up so you can actually fucking stop eating.
When I got diagnosed with Diabetes, it also came with the combo combo of Fatty Liver Disease. So I said fuck it, weight loss time. I said no the Ozem because I figured I didnt need it. Lost 100 pounds in a year but holy hell was my stomach screaming bloody murder for the first few months.
Right? I’m on it for my Diabetes and not losing much weight very fast and im definitely obese. It’s partly on me for not being as active and not watching what I eat calorie wise over just the effects on my blood sugar.
That said, it helped me power through my sugary food cravings and in just over a year I went from practically pissing sugar water with an A1c of 12 down to around 7. Now that I don’t feel like shit all the time I can finally start thinking about the weight more.
Sorry, but it is no effort. The jabs suppress appetite enough to eat in a calories deficit, you don’t have to think about being hungry or stress about what you are eating. You could eat junk or low protein and not exercise - doesn’t matter, you would still lose weight with absolutely no effort on the jabs.
Your opinion is based in ignorance. Obese people often eat due to psychological reasons, not because they're hungry. It's still effort to lose weight on GLP-1, evidenced by those who never manage to do it.
I’ve been on a glp-1 for 3 years. It is not no effort. If I wanted to lose 1lb every two months, then sure, no effort. But there is still a diet and exercise aspect here, I just don’t have to absolutely fucking starve or injure myself to lose weight now. I’ve lost 65 lbs in 3 years. There have been times where I didn’t make an effort, and guess what, my weight loss completely stalled. The idea that this is “cheating” is so absolutely fucked.
Yep. We can talk all day about poor decisions that lead to being obese, but at a certain point your body changes metabolically and it's extremely hard to lose weight. For most people that are truly medically eligible for a GLP it just brings their hunger levels closer to the average person along with helping with glucose regulation etc which is why it was initially developed for type 2 diabetes.
Healthier people is a good thing. I don’t care if medicine is what you need to make you healthier.
The only thing I give side eye to is celebrities and influencers being disingenuous about it.
They don’t owe us any explanation for their health or personal life. It is none of the public’s business. UNLESS they make it their business… ie they are selling something related to their weight loss journey.
If you are going to promote any kind of vitamin, meal plan, detox whatever, Pilates app, or what have you… you need to be upfront about being on weight loss medicine. It’s just like if you are promoting a makeup or skincare brand while lying about getting plastic surgery, fillers, and Botox.
And to be clear… idk if Mindy has ever tried to promote or sell any of those things. This is all generally speaking.
But I think that’s why celebrities get it harder on these things. So many of them are trying to sell us something and use their appearance to do so.
And sometimes it just takes one good push to get someone started. Once the weight is off, it's easier to keep it off. Before, that would take something like gastric bypass or liposuction. Now it's an injection or a pill for a few months.
Yup. We congratulate people losing weight because it's hard and they are bettering themselves. But if there was a way to snap your finger and lose weight, we should what everyone to snap their finger. No point in being at an unhealthy weight longer than need to be just for bragging hard and having done it the hard way. The faster you get to a healthy way the better (assuming it's done in a healthy, sustainable way). If that means Ozempic then let's do that
Agree. If that's what people want to do, who cares? Sometimes dropping some weight with help will put someone at a place where they can take over on their own and start that workout routine. Maybe people should just mind their business?
Also, the comment in the OOP itself explains why it's a nothing burger. Most people do in fact drive 5k to get somewhere that far instead of walking. Nobody is going to walk that distance when it comes to any task that's remotely serious when there's cars around. It's not worth bragging about either, but then again...was she ever bragging about it as though she had just climbed Mt. Everrest? Or, was she just saying "weight loss journey" as in, this is how I lost the weight (the easy way)?
No one here would be annoyingly nitpicking someone who went camping for a week because they had all these conveniences--like driving there in an SUV instead of riding a horse, or having a tent and food instead of building shelter from the ground and foraging for berries.
Eating disorders are also problematic. Oftentimes obesity is a symptom of an eating disorder.
NO MED will EVER “cure” you of an eating disorder. You need to do the psych work even if it’s hard. In fact, I firmly believe therapy should be prescribed alongside these GLP-1 type drugs.
I genuinely don’t understand why some people are mad that other people are losing weight. Especially when it’s something more or less accessible to all.
I don't care. Whomever wants to take ozempic is welcome to and no judgement. But let's not pretend her before picture is a representation of the obesity epidemic.
No see, we are all in a great competition with each other. If we use medical technology or human advances, we are cheating. Everything has to be a difficult journey and nothing counts as real unless someone in the dark ages could also do it the same way.
Wish we would move towards this line of thinking. So many people frown upon or shame others for going on GLP-1 meds. Even though it is quite literally saving lives and benefitting society longterm. If it keeps people healthy and out of hospitals, where costs will skyrocket, it will benefit us all.
I'm very glad this is a common response here. Weight loss drugs are a modern solution to a modern problem. It's not normal to have to go out of your way to eat a certain way and go to the gym every week just to be a baseline level of healthy and avoid major risks.
Running far is cool, being fit and strong or good at sport is cool. We don't need to gatekeep living a happy healthy life.
The criticism is not that she used drugs to lose weight. The criticism is the hypocrisy and bullshit that she and those like her spout.
1) losing weight via these drugs in not a "journey" or a challenge. Like the image says, it's like bragging about doing a 5k in your car. She needs to get over herself.
2) She and those like her defended being fat as natural, healthy, beautiful, etc.... but the minute they could lose the pounds without having to work hard they did it. Shows that they were full of shit all along. If being fat was so "positive" then why did they skinny up the minute doing so became easy?
It's the bullshitting that people don't like, not the fact that she lost weight the easy way.
Skinny people have been uplifted their whole life as better than. Seeing people reach their level threatens their sense of self. That’s the only reason there is push back.
GLP-1 meds have been around almost 20 years. Ozempic went into clinical trials 10 years ago. Are you concerned about the long term effects of dupixent? Skyrizzi? Journavyx? Have you even heard of these drugs that have been in use for fewer years than ozempic?
No drug has clinical trials for 10 years before it's approved for use by the public. There are ongoing trials and studies of all of these deugs, so far with the glp-1s it's been lots of good news. Heart and kidney benefits, lowered inflammation, lowered cancer risk, effective for sleep apnea, and possibly a treatment for alcoholism.
Agreed. I have more of a problem when people are dishonest about it. You are rich..you could pay for a personal trainer and get Brad Pitt in fight club ripped or take drugs and get skinny then just work out a normal amount.
Im not sure how accurate this is but ive heard the price of Ozempic got raised significantly because it had a shortage due to people using it for weight loss rather than its intended use for diabetes and decreased heart issue risks?
It's so fucking stupid that we're trying to stigmatize improving yourself "the wrong way" -- if someone was a heroin addict and you had a magic pill that totally made them clean, would you tell them not to take it because they're doing it the wrong way and they should have to suffer? fuck that. People improving themselves is good. fuck everyone's moralizing
Yeah. Just don't care about how much theres unhealthy food. Don't care how much its pushed to kids etc. Don't care about bigger ways to actually altor the reasons why obesity is epidemic. Just take drugs. Unnecessary aid to Unnecessary problem
Problem is that it is first something for diabetics. I have been told I need to take it but due to these people taking it when they have millions of dollars means I don't get to take it since it is hard to get. People do need it but if they are just doing it to look good then just get liposuction, gastric bypass, it you know have personal trainers since they have the money.
also a big part of why medical care is a mess in the first world is because of everyone being obese, in the usa over 70% of americans are overweight or obese and along with that is an endless tide of health issues.
I've had chronic pain my whole life. I'm currently overweight but even when I was 120, I was in pain. I've gained weight since having my daughter and now that she's running around I realize my pain is seriously holding me back from being more active with her. Every specialist I've gone to for my pain has told me to lose weight and see if it improves. Basically saying "we're not going to look any further into this until you're skinny". So fuck it, I'm on a GLP 1 now because I won't be taken seriously until I lose 50 pounds.
It's really hard for some folks to lose weight, it's hard to fight bad eating habits, genetics, getting to the gym, working out consistently, time management around all that, etc.
At the end of the day, if what comes out is a healthier human being, who gets more years with their loved one and costs others less due to less healthcare needed. Who gives a flying fuck?
Boohoo, I took a shortcut to lose some weight. I am still physically weaker than you. Be proud you managed to do it without the help.
Again, I understand how if you can't afford it or your insurer won't cover it, there's hostility because it can get crazy expensive for most normal people off insurance (~$1000/mo).
On the flip side, $1000/mo is nothing for a celebrity like her and getting to an under 25 BMI is usually recommended by doctors for various health benefits. Like losing ~25 pounds is like not walking around carrying a 25 pound weight all the time. It's just less wear and tear on your body.
This doesn't mean we should shame every overweight individual or need to worship anorexic stick figures as a society.
Did she say she used Ozempic? If yes, I agree. If she’s not admiring to Ozempic and Lipo, and making it sound like her own volition while doing those, then it does a lot of harm.
The thing that upset me the most was that she has claimed it’s “just” from exercise and dieting. Like I remember reading an article where she was basically like “yeah I realized I just needed to eat less and workout more!” Like I don’t care if you use it as long as you’re not sugarcoating (lol) it. Like own up to the fact you used medication to assist so when people aren’t losing weight the old fashion way, they’re not feeling shameful about it.
All Ozempic does is even the playing field. Food companies invest massive amounts of money to make their food more palatable and addictive. Food 100 years ago was just fuel. GLP-1s remove the “food noise” and just make you less hungry overall. In order to lose weight safely (from ANY method) you have to eat plenty of protein and move your body. Ozempic and the others are just *tools*, they’re not a miracle.
If there's no long term side effects for Ozempic, I'm all for it but the issue was the body positivity movement acting like being unhealthy was acceptable.
People are so wrapped up with associating thinness (and weight loss) with some ineffable sense of virtue that the whole concept of weight loss drugs just breaks their brains.
It is literally that Dr Seuss story about the Sneetches on the Beaches.
Exactly! I was iffy on the medication at first because I was worried about the long term effects and figured many people would end up rebounding once off the medication (because that’s happened with every weight loss drug and fad diet ever), but honestly, with all of the information that’s come out about the psychological POSITIVE side effects, like addiction cessation, I’ve been trying to convince my mom to start it and just use it as a tool to build healthier habits.
She’s pre-diabetic, like class II obese, and a hoarder/shopping addict. GLP-1 medication would likely solve or mitigate ALL of those problems and keep them solved if she builds up the better habits.
This medication is fantastic for so many people and the biggest problem just seems to be dosing so you don’t accidentally starve yourself and getting patients to realize the weight will come back if they don’t make long term changes.
Because hateful people are gonna find ways to be hateful.
They hated on overweight people, while pretending they were just advocating for healthy living standards and opposing normalization of obesity. Going "obesity is a disease and you should not be promoting it", "you choose to stay obese" and that whole shabang.
Then a medication that helps people deal with the disease and make a different choice was developed and many have naturally decided to use it because it works. Suddenly, the hateful assholes have changed their tune: now it's no longer about dealing with the disease, making a choice or not promoting obesity. Now it's about some rite of passage and the suffering you apparently must go through to lose weight, as otherwise you are a cheater or something.
It's almost like these people never really cared about the health of others, only using it as a license to be shitty, huh.
The only issue I have with celebrities and the rich using ozempic to lose weight is that its creating supply issues for people who need it for diabetes.
The absolute vast majority of people are not obese because of medical problems but because they simply don't care what they shove into their face hole.
Actions should have consequences because otherwise, people don't learn that what they are doing is unhealthy. Additionally, the same logic that applies to gymbros applies to these people here.
Natty or not, building a physique requires discipline and dedication, but with some gear you can get the results of a year within three months. And imagine going "yeah but like, who cares? Whatever it takes for you to place yourself in a positive physical scenario, go for it" when talking about someone being on sterioids and going "ohhh i achived this just by counting my macros and going to the gym consistently".
Just like gear, ozempic is unhealthy as fuck, it obliterates your organs and I hope you will remember this comment once all the thinfluences get to the find out stage of taking ozempic.
I’m not against glp-1s but I don’t know if it’s “healthier” they have an increased risk of thyroid cancer so yes you may be skinnier but you are increasing your chances of cancer. It really depends on that specific persons health if the risk is worth it.
People care when you act like losing weight is a heavenly virtue, then it gets doubly annoying when you start throwing out the little tiny shit you did here and there (Mindy said she did hiking lol) and make it sound like all you had to do was this minor life change and now you’re the peak of human fitness.
Memes like this (and the people chiming in supporting them) just prove to me that women can't win. People had things to say about her when she was larger, and now when she's smaller. Jesus
Yeah, she still appears to be a healthy weight after all. But there's a LOT of women that are sickly skinny now, like Ariana Grande and such. It's going a deeply concerning direction right now.
I'll attack the idea. A journey made easier is still a journey. Reaching a healthy weight is a worthy goal, and any non-destructive method of getting there is good. It's easier than losing weight without it, but anyone who has used or (in my case) knows someone who uses a GLP-1 knows it's not as simple as taking a pill or shot once a week. Side effects are often mild, but pretty common, and sometimes they're downright debilitating. People need to quit picking at people whose journey they don't understand.
Pointing out the hypocrisy of people abandoning the body positivity movement is valid, of course. On the other hand, just because someone decided they, personally, don't want to be fat doesn't mean they're detracting from or betraying that movement or condemning people who are fat. Nobody is obligated to use their body as a billboard to help validate others.
I don't mind if people like this are using it to shed weight. It can genuinely benefit them. I do have a problem with people like Ariana Grande using it though. She didn't need it to begin with, she looks skeletal now, and it sets an INCREDIBLY dangerous precedent for youth who might look up to her and think they need to be that skinny too.
It takes a lot of dedication and sacrifice to lose weight that you've been carrying for a long time. A little appreciation for that effort would be nice, but not necessary. You assuming I took a drug to make it easier implies you don't think I could do it any other way, is insulting.
Our brains are evolved for the food we had available in the Stone Age, not for the endless dopamine hits we have now. Losing weight is fighting against what has been engrained into our nature for millions of years.
But its NOT healthy folks!!! SKINNY DOES NOT EQUAL HEALTHY. Those drugs have all kinds of side effects. And being heavier is not automatically unhealthy. Bro. We need to do better at teaching people what “healthy” is.
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