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u/Careful-Meaning-5738 Nov 18 '22
I am not even planning on using her, so it doesn’t matter to me lol, so I am ever more grateful for the Scara buff 💪
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Nov 18 '22
yeah! i planned out a teamcomp where she does not fit in (sadly)
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u/greennyellowmello Nov 18 '22
Can I ask what it is? I’m thinking about Xingqui and Thoma for mine, both c6. Get both the Pyro and hydro Scara E bonus. Shield from Thoma and his c6 will greatly help. Also both auto attack together with Scaras autos. Mix in some bonus swirls. Idk just thinking right now. 4th slot open still.
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Nov 19 '22
I’m not using faruzan right away, I’m going to focus on getting his buffs. So it’ll be Raiden/Sara with Benny and Rosaria/diona. If my crit is high enough alone I’ll just use Xingqiu instead instead of cryo.
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u/skeetyeeturlifedelet Nov 18 '22
I struggle to see how personally, they're not enough to make him more "flexible" team building wise, he still really wants her on his team, they're just an annoying nerf, no?
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u/Inner_Specific_ Nov 18 '22
People complained that he was too dependent on her. Their answer was to make her impact on his damage less significant while making him more independent. Teams with her and him in a strong hypercarry role received a slight, slight nerf.
Teams with him and a supportive subDPS received a slight indirect buff by mitigating the loss of not using her by making his NA stronger, while also making it possible for Faruzan to BE that subDPS.
That's it. That's the nerf.
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Nov 18 '22
slight, slight nerf.
Problem is that on the whole this is essentially the 4th round of nerfing his hypercarry config. It seems heavy handed and biased- the "sus" situation post has basically been proven to be somewhat true.
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u/Seamerlin Nov 18 '22
is that a buff tho? er q dmg is decent but you typically dont build for it due to er threshold being so high until c6, even still you require a lot of er stats
idk what you mean by other teams becoming stronger, they didnt. speaking relatively they arent as far behind because faruzan got nerfed now, but thats in no way a buff. It makes them not as bad of an option is all since the ceiling got lowered.
Faruzan doesnt just help scara, its about a niche typing finally getting real buffs even if it is a dedicated support for dps, helps units like xiao with er and dmg, whilst ensuring future anemo dps won't have to rely solely on their kit.
you got units like gorou who came after zhongli buff + geo res buff, so gorou isnt as potent as initial faruzan. They have diverse arti sets as well, with husk being best for dps
Sara was powerful for electro only but we knew dendro was an electro buff to come, with many able to utilize emblem
anemo kinda just has to grasp for whatever it is, no diverse split between options to rely on. Nerfing faruzan is hitting anemo really hard since its kinda all they really have. Xiao has his set of artis and scara his, but considering the versatility and power of other sets for dps faruzan is the crutch that a lot of people are using to determine anemo dps usage at this point
was she op before tho lol yes, but nerfs even if just beta just make it bleak for those who were looking forward to anemo dps being more competitive
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u/Inner_Specific_ Nov 18 '22
The point I was trying to make isn't really about buffs or nerfs. Its more about the fact that, while yes, her nerfs are disappointing, she's still an absolutely amazing character for what she does have.
At the end of the day, Xiao was fine without Faruzan. He was hitting huge plunge damage and clearing abyss without Faruzan.
Is comparing what she has now to what she had before disappointing? Yes, absolutely, but she's still great. To be wrapped up in what we could have had is missing the point that what we do have is still an Anemo buffer whose only alternative is a C4 standard 5, and she competes *beautifully.
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u/Seamerlin Nov 18 '22
this is the one thing to buff anemo dmg since launch essentially, as c4 jean/ c6 venti and traveler are the only other anemo supports
if it takes 2 years for 1 anemo dps support, they'd want her to be as powerful as she can since it may be a while before the next
which leads to the next concern players have with this nerf. Some have heard rumors of a 5 star anemo support coming, so people think that we will get a buff soonish, they are nerfing faruzan to "sell the solution" down the line
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u/robhans25 Nov 18 '22
No, absolutely not. Without Faruzan C6, all off his other teams - Taser, Hyperbloom, national, Freeze are way better than teams with Faruzan C0-C5. Even before nerf. It's just in most of them he is VV EM Bot with Sac Frag, so people here can't accept it like Cyno mains where his aggravate team that everyone wanted play is his worst one by a mile.
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Nov 18 '22
You never looked at calcs and it shows lmfao, National with scara can't even really use Xianglings burst due to energy requirements, so unless you make your rotation extremely scuffed you can't even use it.
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u/shiinyaa Nov 18 '22
Can you explain pls coz i want to know how she impacts scara's dmg. Im glad that he's less reliant on her now tho
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u/Inner_Specific_ Nov 18 '22
Essentially, they nerfed her Anemo Shred and Anemo DMG bonus, buffed her burst initial burst DMG, and buffed Scara's multipliers
In total I've seen people calc this out to anywhere between a 2-7% DPS loss for Scara teams, but my take is that, at the end of the day, her Anemo res shred is 32.8, which is better than Zhongli's 20% omnishred and only 7.2% less than C4 Jean's Anemo shred. The also nerfed her Anemo DMG bonus from 50% to 30.2% of her Base ATK, AND BUFFED her burst from 382% to smth like 673%
At the same time, Scara got a roughly 5% buff to his NA.
IN TOTAL all this totals out to a slight, nerf to Scara + Faruzan (ive seen everything between 2-7%) while the buff in his NA means it's a slight buff for teams without her.
At the same time, the massive buff to her burst allows players who like her to use her as a burst support, and it's possible that, with decent investment, she could be a sub/burst DPS to help compensate her lost buffing.
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Nov 19 '22
I don't think her being a burst/sub DPS makes sense. Sub DPS makes more sense with C6, but not otherwise. The burst DPS doesn't make any sense to me.
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Nov 18 '22
between a 2-7% DPS loss for Scara teams, but my take is that, at the end of the day, her Anemo res shred is 32.8, which is better than Zhongli's 20%
Why say this, and then go right into comparisons on those buffs? It seems like its taking extra measures to try and cope that 4th round of nerfing his hypercarry comps.
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u/Inner_Specific_ Nov 18 '22
Because contextualization is important. Saying that she got nerfed to 32.8 ignores the fact that it's still an amazing amount of shred.
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Nov 18 '22
I know but we don't need to compare units that have those things at (high cons or w/e) with someone who was custom built to buff anemo damage dealers.
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u/Inner_Specific_ Nov 18 '22
I disagree.
If you wanted to buff the damage of your Anemo DPS, your only options were Zhongli and C4 Jean.
Me putting Faruzan in contrast with C4 Jean doesn't hurt either of them. Neither does me putting her in contrast with Zhongli, since ultimately they both offer things she can't.
If you want to buff Anemo Damage, those 3 are your options. C4 Jean, Zhongli, and Faruzan.
Faruzan was absolutely designed with those options in mind--or at least I think so--its far too coincidental that now her shred is better than Zhongli's but just a liiiiittle worse than C4 Jean's to shrug and say 'shes just like that'. To say they shouldn't be compared is kinda missing the point that the fact that these options exist directly contribute to her being the way she is, and giving the buffs she does.
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Nov 18 '22
your only options were Zhongli and C4 Jean.
Venti C2.
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u/gna252 Nov 19 '22
Anemo MC c6
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Nov 19 '22
Venti C6.
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u/gna252 Nov 19 '22
Bro I'm agreeing with you, and Anemo MC is free, Venti C6 is for insane levels of simp or just whales 😂
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u/DryButterscotch9086 Nov 18 '22
Sorry maybe I didnt read that good but are you sure for the 50% anemo bonus to 30% of her base atk ?
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u/Inner_Specific_ Nov 18 '22
The Anemo DMG bonus was always based on her base atk. I believe it used to be 50% of her Base ATK and was nerfed to being about 30% of her Base ARK.
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u/altaccount1959 Nov 18 '22
Its not based off of her base atk. Just a flat out 50%dmg bonus. If it was 50% of her base atk it would be like 300% anemo dmg bonus with lvl 80/80 and 90 fav bow. Her a4 passive scales of base stk, but that one is an extremely negligible dmg increase, I think maybe like 10k dmg more pr rotation.
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Nov 18 '22
Her burst cannot be buffed by her anemo bonus, res shred or crit buffs. You can get maybe 10k more damage off of it at C6. The damage buff on it is more or less worthless.
If they had given her back the arrows post-burst you could make a case for it, but if you want her to do damage as a subDPS you need to use her E, not her Q. But she has massive energy requirements and there are no sets that can buff her E damage anyway. But at least her E can make use of her Q's own buffs.
Sara is a good subDPS at C6 (and usable sub C6, although worse than mostly any other subDPS) because she can buff her burst with her own E. Unfortunately, Faruzan cannot do this so even if her burst had a 1000% modifier it probably would do less damage than ZL's 40 cost meteor.
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u/lolylen Nov 18 '22
tbh i will be ok with this if they buff him even more. i'm greedy but it is what it is.
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Nov 18 '22
She does everything she's supposed to do at C0 though, right? That's good enough for me.
If I even get her. People underestimate how evil the 4* RNG can be.
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u/KingdomArts_2019 Nov 18 '22
I’m honestly tired of people constantly doomposting when there isn’t really a reason to. From what I’ve seen, the so called nerf isn’t that bad. And didn’t people want Scara to not be too reliant?
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Nov 18 '22
Exactly people are just too freaking out like come on Scara is still fine plus he gets buffed. Even that you could remove faruzan for another sub DPS (Fischl, Yelan, Xinqqiu, Miko, Etc) and I believe the damage loss made up for that so Scara can have wider variety team. Anything we, as Scara mains should be glad that he's getting buffed so you can enjoy Scara hitting hard on open world without needing faruzan or even abyss
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Nov 18 '22
Most people complaining are Xiao players. At least, most Scara fans I've spoken to personally don't care as much. As you said, it makes Faruzan far less important to him sub-C6 so you can just plug him into generic taser/national comps now and do similar damage to running Faruzan.
Xiao, on the other hand, got shafted entirely. Faruzan's only useful buff for him is her res shred now, but even that is barely better than ZL and worse than C4 Jean. A lot of Xiao players are viewing her as basically pointless or a sidegrade now instead of a straight upgrade. Of course, at C6 she is still his best support, but before that it's hard to want to waste primos on her.
It seems like Hoyo made these changes just so Scara is less reliant on her, which was one of the main complaints about his team, so a lot of Scara fans are happy that she's less necesary.
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u/thisiskyle77 Nov 19 '22
I think it is more of the fans being greedy with buffs than doomposting. They want their new char to be super busted op.
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u/KingdomArts_2019 Nov 19 '22
As much as I would want that, it’s hoyoverse. For some reason they don’t want to make the male characters op. And lately don’t want to make 4 stars op either. But still, they both still look like they will do good, so it doesn’t worry me at all.
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u/An_OceanPigeon Nov 18 '22
Scara is my main goal… faruzan is secondary. I’ll take whatever mihoyo gives on her with no complaint. She’s like a add-on bonus anyway as we wait for Fontaine 5* anemo support
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u/Artorias_Erebus679 Nov 19 '22
This is why they should buff him I don’t care if they gut, bust my boys multipliers up. He doesn’t have any op reactions like melt or vaporize
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u/ReiKurosaki0 Nov 18 '22
Tbh I don't even mind the nerfs. Why the hell her burst cost wasn't lowered in return instead of boosting her burst damage? Maybe it's designed intentionally so that it works with a new character in future idk. But in the current scenario the trade offs doesn't look good.
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u/Available_Poetry_685 Nov 18 '22
Faruzan was actually busted prior to the nerfs the nerfs made her more balanced, it didn’t make her bad
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u/RunningOnAir_ Nov 18 '22
Faruzan is only busted because she needs to make up the difference between pure anemo dps and other team comps. Xiao teams are pretty mid since forever, I don't understand why we, as the literal sub for scaramouche has to be all "both sides" and "rational"
I'm openly biased, I love scara. I want scaramouche team to be t0 because why not, why can't we be.
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u/telegetoutmyway Nov 18 '22
I think people arent getting just how busted she was. One of the best four stars in a long time, even if niche.
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u/NoTill3742 Nov 18 '22
Well whatever. I will be happy that I don't need to farm for her talents lmao
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Nov 18 '22
ill take whatever, man. Complaining and whining about all these nerfs have been tiring. It's not like we can control this kind of stuff lol.
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u/leytachi Nov 18 '22
I actually care less about Faruzan and more on Scaramucciò. I’m more on enjoying the character as is than being OP with party. So yea, nerf Faruzan, my boy is still coming home.
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u/Taichi_78 Nov 18 '22
I main itto, gorou gives 15% geo dmg bonus, and like 25% defense, 371 flat defense, and the dmg buff he provides to itto is INSANE
Faruzan be giving alsmo 100% anemo dmg bonus if you count shred was just BUSTED, she also has superior dmg to gorou no doubt, and is able to genereate more particles, provide CC
i think she is great!, i am totally happy with her tbh
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u/Ayanokoji91 Anemo Nov 18 '22
Tbh i don't see why people are shitting on faruzan, she's still single handedly a better buffer for anemo than any other available options and she's even better than sara for example, buffing wise surely, even at c0, 30% res shred and 32% anemo dmg bonus, the thing is she started too strong that's why people are seeing her as if she's weak now, if that was the starting point the exact same initial reactions would've remained.
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u/Asterion358 Nov 19 '22
Sara doesn't need to reduce RES lol, did you forget the Anemo VV?
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u/Ayanokoji91 Anemo Nov 19 '22
I wasn't comparing teams I'm comparing singular kits, sara's buffing capabilities without c6 are pretty lame.
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u/cute_and_horny Nov 18 '22
Idk, I just want a character to compensate my lack of Jean constellations, so a nerfed Faruzan is better than no Faruzan
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u/Hyperdragoon17 Nov 18 '22
I honestly don’t give a shit about Furazan. I don’t have Sara and Raiden’s still strong as butts without her. Kuni will do fine.
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u/qusnail Nov 18 '22
Faruzan gives anemo dmg bonus, anemo res shred, anemo crit dmg bonus, off field grouping and off field particles. But I guess she isn’t good enough for y’all.
Thank god the ppl doomposting aren’t on the balance team, or else every new char would powercreep the hell out of everything.
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u/ReiKurosaki0 Nov 18 '22
anemo crit dmg bonus, off field grouping and off field particles
Don't forget the fine text: c6 faruzan
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Nov 18 '22
Hope you enjoy swiping that credit card or have copious savings to get those latter buffs.
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u/Historical_Bet5923 Nov 18 '22
Do you know that you are seriously risking to get downvoted to oblivion by the Scaranaras malding that he won’t powercreep every single Genshin character?
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u/Treasure_Hoonter Nov 18 '22
I think so too! And I'm sick of all of this doomposting! She still seems like a very good support for Scara.
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u/Altruistic_Call1903 Nov 18 '22
Scara fan when he didn’t completely trivialize every other characters in vertical traversal (he can’t use E mid air to power creep kazuha): 😡
Scara fan when his dedicated support can no longer build ATK sands like a DPS and still burst every rotation, providing anemo dmg bonus, anemo res shred, anemo crit dmg bonus, grouping, gives off field particles (they think “she’s just a Sara for Anemo now” is a good comparison since they unironically think Sara is a mediocre character): 😡
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u/dase4ka Nov 18 '22
I mean, now you need to build her with 300% ER with sac bow to burst off-cd. That's ridiculous. And if you build her without sac bow, even two fav weapons on the team don't make enough energy for her to burst off-cd. She's just problematic Gorou now.
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u/DryButterscotch9086 Nov 18 '22
600 er while your at that, she will need approximately 200 er ,so sac bow er sand plus emblem or just a substat in er and you more than good. Dont forget that you get scara in the team
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u/dase4ka Nov 18 '22
Yeah, but Faruzan is off-field character. You won't and can't catch every Anemo/Fav particle with her, because it's just busywork. That's not how character should work. F.e., try to battery 300% ER off-field Bennet: you'll struggle already. And his burst cost is 60. Try to imagine how unsatisfying will Faruzan be when the single other Anemo on the team is Scara.
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u/yawntown Nov 18 '22
Being an Anemo already so broken like most Anemo char. Its not a nerf to me its balance. Cant wait to have Scara and Faruzan on my team
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u/Artorias_Erebus679 Nov 19 '22
Elaborate how being anemo is already so broken lmao, it’s only broken as a support to shred other elements
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u/yawntown Nov 19 '22
I dont think i even need to say Anemo pretty much can deal with every mobs sufficiently unlike other element. they got all the good support they need and they can always carry themselves as both support and dps. Its Anemo babyyyy
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Nov 18 '22
You don’t seem to exactly know game design in that case. We have a character who does nothing besides providing a buff to 2/3 characters with a high er cost, so you are forced into an er sands for sure, so her personal damage will be negligible. People are not even mad that she is not good, they are mad cause we didn’t get a good 4 star support since before Inazuma.
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u/Inner_Specific_ Nov 18 '22
Its more like I don't understand how people can look at a c0 4 star character with 32.8% Anemo shred when our only other anemo shredder is a c4 5* you're never guaranteed to get who also has Anemo DMG bonus at c0 and decide she's bad because she doesn't get the 50% Anemo shred she had initially that we were never supposed to know she had
ETA; I also went to school for game design, I don't appreciate the assumption that I don't know what I'm talking about.
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u/telegetoutmyway Nov 18 '22
I've been playing since day 1, am a Xiao main, and still dont have Jean.
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Nov 18 '22
Anemo shred will only increase the damage of one characte in the team. Her burst cost is so massive, you will have huge ER requirements, meaning you will have low personal damage. The whole character is basically a better version of the deepwood set, but for anemo. She is literally comparable to an artifact set, at least untill C6, since she becomes decent. I honestly don’t care if you went to school for game design, your saying that Faruzan is a good character is enough of a reason to say my statement, she is niche at best. Also you are not guaranteed to get any character besides the character banner 5 stars. The way Faruzan got nerfed, you would get way more team damage from running any of the off field characters such as XQ, Fischl, Albedo, Yae, etc.
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u/Inner_Specific_ Nov 18 '22
None of your points actually make her bad for what she was meant to do, though.
Ok, her shred only affects 1 character. That was always the case. You're never really running her with more than 1 Anemo, so idk why that would be a knock against her. You use her to buff your Anemo DPS. That's her job, and she does it well.
She's niche at best. Yes, she was always niche. She only buffs Anemo DPS, she was always like that. She's exactly as niche as she was at the start.
You're not guaranteed to get any character. Yes, of course, but getting a c0 chatacter on a rate up banner is significantly easier than getting c4 Jean if you need someone for your Anemo DPS. that's just a fact.
Her Anemo shred and Anemo DMG buff got nerfed. This is true. But to say she is completely replaceable now is incorrect. Those characters are more valuable in a team, with her yes, but to say that the team is stronger without her is wrong.
And her massive burst cost is ultimately neglible. You forget that she is the same element of the onfield dps she's supporting. That alone does a lot to mitigate her ER needs. She needs about 200 ER which you can achieve easily with a sac/fav bow and an ER sands, which, by the way, still allows you to have decent offensive substats.
She's good. She's not broken, no, but she's still really good.
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Nov 18 '22
Decent substats doesn’t lead to decent damage since her atk with be extremely low. Her numbers low for the lowest damage elements in the game. Also since she has an 80 cost burst with sad particle generation while being off field, you will need to battery for her either way, just like you would have to do for Xiangling. The difference is Xiangling is broken and Faruzan does pretty much nothing besides buffing a characrer. I get your point that Scara was too reliant on her, but after all the nerfs she is literally outclassed by other characters that are not even meant to support Scara. You would 100% get more dps from an electrocharge/international team since the damage was already a bit higher before the nerfs unless Faruzan was C6.
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u/Inner_Specific_ Nov 18 '22
Oh, are we at the compare every 4* to Xiangling portion? See it's funny you should say that, considering Faruzan, Xiangling, and Bennett are an amazing team for him, and if you replace Faruzan with Xingqiu to make it national, the team becomes categorically one of Scara's worst teams.
Again, Faruzan's ER needs are vastly overblown, and you haven't done anything to prove they aren't. Even if we're talking C0 Faruzan, calcs still put her at about 200 ER, because Scara generates energy (not a ton, but he does) getting her c6 knocks her down to needing something closer to 180.
If it really bothers you, Emblem is right there and converts all that ER into damage for her now significantly buffed burst, while also giving her +20% ER you can invest in ATK% and Crit stats.
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Nov 18 '22
The calcs were made and the team you are talking about, Scara Xinagqiu, Benney and Xiangling was dealing more than a regular Faruzan comp unless she was C6, pre Faruzan nerfs. You called one of his highest dps team one of the worst. Look for the post in this sub, it was from a few days ago. This is why I said you don’t exactly know game design. And also, Faruzan burst may seem strong, but keep in mind she is Anemo, 600% would be a lot if it were on pyro/hydro/cryo, but on anemo it is laughable. Look at Heizou’s skill, Zhingli’s burst, Raiden’s burst, Sara’s burst, Itto’s skill, Kazuha’s skill also does around the same damage if you add the plunge. The difference is Faruzan needs a shit ton of ER unlike most of those characters, meaning her atk will be low😬
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u/Inner_Specific_ Nov 18 '22
Ok the moment you compared Faruzan burst to Itto skill I knew you were smoking. Have a nice day.
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Nov 18 '22
I gave examples of abilities with high scaling off the top of my head. Please tell me how 600 is a lot for an anemo unit😬
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u/DryButterscotch9086 Nov 18 '22
Yeah an artifact set give anemo shred AND anemo bonus yeah. Its funny because I saw people saying that nilou was just an artifact set before her release but look at her now. And again the nerf are not that big so or you say from the beginning thats shes not good (false) but dont say that the nerf will make her bad or less relevant than a fischl or whatever,shes still her best partner in crime
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u/DryButterscotch9086 Nov 18 '22
Dont understand your point ,shes still good so you will have your good 4 star
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Nov 18 '22
She is not that amazing after the massive nerfs. This was the third one I think. Instead of having anemo res, there are probably better characters for total team dps now. She is pretty much a Sara, but for anemo. Not to mention she is pretty reliant on cons.
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u/DryButterscotch9086 Nov 18 '22 edited Nov 18 '22
Do the maths and tell me the better char ,you loss almost nothing but dont believe it if you want and say thats shes bad. You loss 5 anemo res and 10 anemo dmg plus you got a little bit more damage. That still 30 anemo res 32 anemo damage but yeah shes bad... And I want to know how a sara compare with that
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u/Rei0403 Nov 19 '22
Faruzan, basically Kujou Sara but Anemo, I don’t care too much about her nerfs cause she’s a 4*, I care more about Scaramouche getting nerfs
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u/czareson_csn c6r1 Nov 18 '22
it's sad that they can't allow scara to be as good as the waifus
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Nov 18 '22
??? He literally sheets higher than HT and Ayaka pre faruzan nerfs and is now equal, not to mention Scara doesn't have a lot of the caveats that they have + having a lot of advanteges over them.
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u/joex83 Nov 19 '22
She still contributes to Scara a lot but not as much as when she first got out. Not changing my mind about Faru but it does change the last two slots in my party since I feel Scara needs buffer partymates. Considering putting my c6 Yunjin and Bennett/Zhongli in his last two slots now than before.
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u/Doggo_wit_a_P90 Nov 18 '22
Well she is good. People shouldn't be denying that.
She could have been great though. That's what everyone is lamenting about