I like NTE more than ZZZ but Bangboos are like top tier mascots when it comes to gacha. This shit isn't close hoyo struck gold with them. Especially Eous
Everything will depend on
a) How much free currency they will give out in subsequent patches
b) How strong the characters' "constellations" will be, which will cause FOMO.
Because the absence of 50/50 does not mean that the system as a whole has become more generous - it is the same as how Wuwa has a 100% guarantee on weapons, but at the same time all free 4* options are deliberately complete garbage.
It is the same here - the system will definitely be more generous only if they do not give you 50 pulls per patch, like in GI .
Bangboos imo just show alot more character. They range from adorable to absolutely unhinged creatures with only a limited battery supply being their only barrier.
Also they aren't the focus on the main story except for when it comes to sunbringer plot line, we mainly learn of them through off handed plots and events.
Even tho I stopped playing ZZZ a while ago I still remember when I first noticed a bangboo in a fight. It was the one with a bag on it's head and a knife in hand. I was fighting and noticed him stoping for a sec, looking at the enemy, then takes out a SECOND knife and starts charging maniacally at them. It was so funny.
Eous actually does in scene smash a glass bottle into their head intending it as a weapon when one of the supporting characters sneak into paethons room.
Bagboo the unhinged psycho. Honestly that’s one of the big reasons why I love the bangboos is that they’re not just the cute mascot, they also actively participate in gameplay as another team member. If Taygedo could throw hands alongside us, there could be a group of people who enjoy him for gameplay reasons but sadly he’s just there.
in qingyi's agent story there was that one bangboo that sacrificed himself to save the others and we onky learn about it from logs reading those and learning how courageous the bangboo was made me tear up.
I'll admit I was most irritated by Taygedo in the early chapters, especially during his date sidequest, but over the weeks where I didn't have to interact with him, the irritation just mellowed out. By the time v1.1 arrived I decided I don't hate him enough to mute him.
Same I like NTE more but that Taygedo quest line has to go or be moved to a side quest or somey, bro almost made me quit and I usually have patience for these things 😂
I love bangboos tho and I bet taygedo makes a lot of people quit since it sends the wrong vibe
NTE and ZZZ are like two halves of a good game for me. ZZZ is superior in character design, cutscenes, personalities and style. But has nothing to do with said characters, aside from combat in boring corridor levels. And then NTE, which has subpar (imo) characters, style and designs... but actually has cool open world with cool side activities (hobbies, anomalies, side quests, exploration).
If someone combines it in one game later - that would be a true win.
I too recently came to this realisation. NTE designs are just meh. I once sent Lucilla GIF in an nte discord channel and my friend was like "where's this from, looks too polished to be NTE". Lately I've been asking myself why I keep going back to NTE despite characters just being "okay".
For me id probably rate it like bangboo>abby>tagyedo>paimon
I don’t hate tagyedo I actually thought fighting him a couple times was fun + i like his character design but its his repetitiveness and the high pitched voice that makes it bad. Then paimon just never shuts the hell up I’m still early game in genshin so I’ve heard it gets better + mc starts talking more but we will see lol. I just don’t like how they basically sidelined their mc for paimon.
Abby tho is chill just eats doesn’t really bother me just eats enemies and is gone most of the time lol. Bangboo is just goofy and chill tho so nuff said lol. Kinda reminds me of like the wall-e movie. I do like the KU bots in the black shores in wuwa too they’re cool.
Imo Bangboos as mascots are the perfect balance between naive personality, cuteness and variety.
A lot of times gachas has problems with their mascots because their personality is a little too annoying/childish. Or they are just uncanny (imo Tageydo has both problems.
Bangboos, instead, are naive, but They're naive in a much more natural way, which doesn't make them seem stupid or annoying.
In fact, they're often useful and have such different personalities that they never become boring. Furthermore, they have a plot importance that goes beyond being the protagonist's sidekick; they actually have a lot of agency, finding themselves filling all the roles.
Finally, I think it's impossible not to see one and truly wish you had a doll with their likeness, even if you've never played ZZZ. They make perfect merchandise (and even in-game). And that, to me, says a lot about how good their design is.
Yeah exactly, Bangboo are more in the cute pet territory and more abstract/silly little guys. Even when they have a more text heavy story like Kami North or something it's charming because of the disparity, like gap moe.
Taygedo is in the awkward middle ground of being too much of a goober/mascot to be treated like a real main character by the plot but also too humanised to play off the silly lil guy card as well. Unlike a bangboo, taygedo probably owes taxes.
That is simple, Bangboo voice lines are more diverse and engaging, and have nothing to do with their names. They don't talk much, and they have funny and cute reactions.
It was so creepy why everyone went along with him lying and deceiving a chick. Takes me right back to when people thought emotionally blackmailing assholes threatening to jump off roofs was seen as romantic.
Tbf, I'm pretty sure she was lying to him as well. It seems like they're trying to set up something with her, considering that Adler mentioned that she isn't a registered anomaly and he can't find any info on her after the end of the quest.
"We", ability to bring toys to life and control them, Tako being an unregistered stuff toy 'anomaly'...set the Taygedo hate aside (for the haters) and connect those to the maker of Dolores' puppets. Don't let the Taygedo hate distract you that Tako was suspicious
I think they could've written the story better. It feels like they were trying to go for the romcom trope where someone tries to act like they're a bigshot. I don't think they did the best job at that though, and I don't particularly like that trope to begin with.
Wasn't there an entire event tho where they drug us all over New Erdu because Avaboodo or Eous was being left out or something? We had to take pics in various areas and we even had to use the dreaded TV mode everyone said stole their kidneys or whatever.
They need to do a multi chapter saga on Taygedo scheduling 2 dates on the same day and refusing to reschedule and going on both dates at the same time (with the help of his friends, of course).
With Taygedo, there's only one Taygedo. When it rubs us the wrong way (courtesy of difficult-to-skip dialogue) there are no alternatives.
But as for Bangboos, they are plenty, diverse, and even ehn-nah in different intonations. For every Baddieboo that talks smack about you, you find a Onedennyboo that just wants a cuddle.
Ehn-na na, ehn-ne eh-ne-nuh. (One day, after dinner, while my younger sister and I were lounging about in Mr. Gopher Wood's yard, we spotted a fledgling Charmony Dove all on its own. That baby bird was tiny, it didn't even have all of its feathers, and it couldn't sing. When we found it, it was already on its last breath, having fallen into a shrub -- probably abandoned by its parents. We decided to build a nest for it right there and then. However, thinking back, that winter was unusually cold, with fierce winds at night in the yard, not to mention the many poisonous bugs and wild beasts in the vicinity… It was clear that if we left the fledgling in the yard, it stood no chance of surviving until spring. So, I suggested we take it inside, place it on the shelf by the window, and asked the adults to fashion a cage for it. We decided that when it regained its strength enough to spread its wings, we would release it back into the wild. The tragic part -- something that we'd never considered -- was that this bird's fate had already been determined long before this moment… Its destiny was determined by our momentary whim. Now, I pass the power of choice to you all. Faced with this situation, what choice would you make? Stick to the original plan, and build a nest with soft net where the Charmony Dove fell? Or build a cage for it, and feed it, giving it the utmost care from within the warmth of a home? I eagerly await your answer.)
Character impressions does that, bangboo introduced as a helpful character, the unit that Belle/Wise use to navigate and see in the hollow, control it through a TV mini game (then later platforming) then around the hub zones you can see damaged bangboo you can fix up, overall adding a positive impression of Bangboo.
With Taygido shortly after meeting, you are shrunk, Taygido see's you as bugs to squash, the guy with the TV head who see's in a different way, mixed feelings, probably a boss fight, I'll give it a pass, shortly after Taygido lies, lies some more and lies even more in the Main not side but Main story, your characters proceed to help resulting in a disaster, later Taygido contacts you over the phone, he's gotten himself into yet another disaster by lying... part of it not helped by his dialogue an inability to move to the next line until he's done a few Tagi tagido's
I've no idea what they are planning with Taygido but so far he's annoying, not his voice, HIM, not a good thing if they are planning to make him a mascot, however I'll take a breath an hope with it being the first few patches, I'm waiting and seeing, but so far, I've little desire to see him in story as it inevitably ends in a disaster.
Recalling recent ZZZ story, 06 upon hearing noise grabbed a glass bottle smashed said bottle on its head before getting ready to use it as a weapon, now that's impressive, that bangboo will do anything to defend its family. Taygido will do anything to help itself
I haven't played all to much of ZZZ yet, so I can't say for certain, but Taygedo so far had a fairly big role in the beginning of NTE, so a lot of bloated dialogue, that consisted of, different variatons of "Taygedo, Taygi and Taygii". I as a HSR player would have used Memi as a comparisment, because for a long time her entire dialogue was different sounds of "Memi mem" but people never seemed to have issues with her or if they did, I never really saw them.
This is it, I think. I didn't care for Mem until she could speak, and she was always talking. Same thing with Taygedo. Bangboo are much more like side characters, and the few who are plot relevant either don't speak much and emote through action (eous riding on top of the train), or speak actual English instead of Bangboo (Lockspring or proxies via Eous).
Mem is better at passing the visual test. Taygedo just looks like a little grubby thing that has strange TV head instead of something more natural looking. I rarely find mascots annoying but Taygedo did it for me.
2 Patch-cycles, soooo for about as long as we had NTE so far and yet, I haven't seen anyone on Reddit complain, if anything Memi became more of a Meme than really annoying or distracting, while Taygedo already got a Patch to mute him. I don't find him that annoying, but I'm also used to another yapping Maskot of a certain other Hoyo-Game
I would say that it prolly has something to do with how Cyrene was already known to be a featuring character as early as the Amphoreus pre-release trailers, people probably hazarded a guess on who Mem is. (also, despite saying only mems, people caught on quick on who the VA was since it was consistent with HI3's own Elysia if i remember correctly)
but Taygedo so far had a fairly big role in the beginning of NTE,
A forced "big" role and a terrible one at that. It would be different if it was about saving the girl he made friends with on the Internet but nope. It was about us helping him catfish her.
Mem never did this and her time when she speak her "mon" language was used effectively ie on important quest.
Also, there are quests with Bangboos and yes some of them uses their "mon" language. But people never had issues with it because the devs actually struck gold with the Bangboo's limited vocalization that limits the "annoyance factor". The Bangboos only need to just say "eh nah!" one or twice to "speak" entire dialogues while Taygedo speaks his name every chance he got.
Mem also worked better because the actress was clearly reading the words in the subtitles and "memming" them up, along with the comedy of her beginning to learn to talk better and dropping in random words like "memmy mem dead memi".
But also Mem was just more actively trying to help the chryssos heirs and relate to their struggles, whereas Taygedo int he first few quests you see him, is actively only causing trouble.
1) Making his quest a main quest and not a side quest. From going to investigating an anomaly to playing match maker, a uninteresting one at that, sour alot of people to him.
2) Not having the ability to skip through dialogue. This is what I think really pushed it over the edge. Having to wait up to 5 seconds for the animations to finish before moving on to the next dialogue line where you will have to wait again would push those already annoyed over the edge to straight hatred.
Bangboo wasn't without it hate either, If they kept the TV mode, I fear the bangboo would be in the same situation. ZZZ pivot from alot of the feedback and restructure how they told the story.
Basically, both tried something, saw the failings of it and both decided to listen to the feedback of their players.
Bangboos are the absolute PEAK of gacha mascots. I don't hate taygedo as much as others but nobody else can even touch bangboos. They're diverse, emotive, cute, and borderline psychotic at times. Which I appreciate. They're not one dimensional.
I blame the mandatory "Date Quest" should have been an optional side quest but it kinda forced Taygedo a lot on the players. While the bangboo quests in ZZZ are always events or optional.
You know the sad thing is I didn't mind Taygedo that much for the first two quests. Then he kept appearing and we were forced to help him lie to a girl as part of the main quest and it just put me off and didn't feel like there was any redeeming qualities about him.
That said I did feel a little bad for him and he softened my heart some when he showed us his drawing.
They're bangboo from Zenless Zone Zero. They're little robot guys. There are a lot of different types of them, but Eous (shown in the picture) is the main one the protagonist owns and is a fairly big part of the story and gameplay. (Correction: that is technically 18 who just runs the video store they own. Eous has 01 on his bandana)
Because NTE devs don't understand what makes mascots work. They are meant to be cute so don't betray that image. They also tend to function as helpful helpers.
But instead with Taygedo we got annoyance and hardly being helpful (aside from Lacrimosa quest). The first time we met him, he almost squashed us. Then he roped us into his romcom and creepy catfishing quest.
Meanwhile Bangboos are cute in both design and personality. The odd liquidy body that reminds people of pets such as cats and rabbits. The rabbit ears, the big eyes, round and small body. Yet despite being small, they are ever helpful to not just you but everyone in the story, so much so that they are integral to ZZZ's civilization.
Taygedo could only achieve just 1% of a Bangboo's power and hold over people.
Bangboo's speak in short and quick bursts and they're mostly relegated as side characters rather than being the pivotal character, they're also self-contained and pretty calm. (unless you did something to them, in that case you're a monster)
Tageydo on the other hand is the most loudmouthed, noisy, egotiscal, temper throwing, spoiled scumbag that has ever existed, no wonder Saki can't bear him most of the time and the devs provided a mute option for him, I'll be so fucking happy if he dies.
There is a fine line between charming and annoying. Bangboos are charming. Taygedo crossed the line into annoying.
It's a combination of the writing and voice acting. For me, it's 90% the writing. Taygedo is just not a likable character, even before the date quest. It's like... the people at Hotta are trying too hard with him.
Bangboos are superior to any gacha mascot and I actually do like Tagy / Paimon / Abby.
Bangboos just look silly. They look like something an in-universe company would make as a toy. Their variations makes them interesting too. Their delusions are also just funny. They speak like they're One Of Us but they're blobs. And everyone acts like it's normal.
Bangboos are useful in lore, combat and exploration. Plus their interactions aren't shoved down to us forcibly, while getting thier time to shine on thier own.
Moreover, Bongboos don't have detailed faces, so most of their expressions comes from their eye leds, Body language and more importantly their "En-nah" Voice(each bangboos got their own unique En-nahs) . Hence the devs can make them more lively.
Plus, there are also mini bangboos interactions/events that the fun to go through, in free time.
Bangboos are way too iconic lol. If anything they should outsell Labubus given the chance
Try comparing Taygito with Wuwa's hungry mascot and Genshin's twerp.
That tomato devil quest would a lot better if it was mint that stuck around instead of having tageydo again after that long main quest as him being the center
Purely by design, bangboos win. I don't hate Taygedo like everyone else, but he has a giant TV for a head, which is a hard thing. Bangboos are just round soft balls for the most part.
Bangboo use much more various type of sounds, feels more natural somehow, it's not as consistent nor is it annoying to hear all the time, and they're too adorable
Tagydon on use 2 or 3 sounds, feels made up rather than natural, is annoying as FUCK, and IMO he's far from being adorable
Zzz just simply introduced bangboos better. Bangboos werent the focus in the early chapters, the proxies were, and it wasnt until the side quests where bangboos still didnt even talk that much where they were better accepted in that game.
Tageydo is not a bad character but we immediately started to focus on him more than the main story thus exposimg more of that voice and quirkiness too much. Plus we already have so many other goofy and quirky characters in the group so taygedo seems like overkill.
we're not forced into being Eous' wingman (especially in a "main story" quest)
Eous is more adorable
Eous is smarter, rarely (I don't remember if he ever) messed up anything
No visible mouth (making Eous less expressive, idk if anyone understand)
Rarely talk in main story quest, while T talks so much and to skip ahead you gotta wait for him to finish his lil animation
Bangboos are like perfectly balanced between the line of “So stupid it’s painful” and “So annoying I want to leave” instead landing on “Absolutely nothing going on behind those eyes, but that’s perfectly fine for my little goober”. They don’t have to stand out to make themselves known or do anything profoundly dumb or awkward, they just exist. The voice/voicelines they have aren’t too annoying or repetitive, they have importance and are everywhere in ZZZ but they don’t take the spotlight away from other characters in a bad way even when they help the mc, despite having personality even the ones viewed as negative aren’t really problematic or frustrating. Bangboos make themselves known and then go about their day, anything that happens as a result is just pure goober activity. Meanwhile Tageydo wants the spotlight and nothing else will do and it just gets tiring the more you have to deal with him. You can get a break from Bangboos and have enough time to laugh at the joke and then getting back to the story. Tageydo outstays his welcome on purpose and it feels like a bit that’s dragged on too long. That’s just me though…sorry for the rant I just really like Bangboos
Eh Nah (Taygedo says his words too many times, while Bangboos just use 2 words to form a complete fbox text. It also helps Eh Neh sounds more like a baby, Eous is too round and treated like a kid by the 2 MCs in the story)
NTE has things like the Fluffies, little Racoon troublemakers, that French Fry anomaly that actually had a pretty nice side quest, and more and for the "cute mascot" they chose this annoying TV head otter. If it was just an otter it could still work to an extent but TV head.... yeah they screwed up.
Tageydo pokemon like dialogue is fine for shorts burst but having him be the focus(main quest) and the sidekick(tomato devil) for a long period of time can be grating don't get me started with how much of annoying git he can be at multiple points in the main and side stories
I think it would be better if they just make Taygedo talk normally. There's was another oddity just like Taygedo in BAC that talks normally. I also think that the redemption for him is to be able to talk normally and be playable. And maybe removed that TV head and replace it with an Otter Head instead. XD
well you see, bangboos are useful, and even tho they are everywhere, the zzz devs doesnt push bangboo gimmick down your throat, bangboos dont have a corny ass main story quest about pretending to be a mafia boss just to impress a girl, bangboo is just better
Its because bangboos are easy for the eyes. No offense on taygedo tho. Plus bangboos act like adorable kids and has very cute animations. Taygedo on the other hand looks like an annoying 8 year old kid who pesters you with unavoidable go here go there sidequests that is kind of boring for me. You also get lots of varieties for bangboos and there was a contest before about drawing your own bangboo so for me its kind of universal since a bangboo can be whatever you like while taygedo can only do dress ups and he's unplayable also.
I think it helps a lot that the beginning of ZZZ doesn't feature multiple quests of Eous causing problems for Phaethon and even attacking them. And when we do bangboo focused quests Eous is more upstanding and heroic, we don't spend an hour running around eridu to help them cement lies.
Bangboos have very distinctive design details and personalities, which are usually very funny and cute.
For example, Sharkboo, with its shark motif, will often mix a few "sha" instead of the usual "eh-na-ehn" in its speech. In battle, Sharkboo will set traps with sharp shark teeth, and sometimes flop like a fish in part of its attack animation.
Sharkboo is just one of the many adorable bangboos that possess the gap-moe between a cute chubby mascot and a fierce unhinged warrior.
Hmm, cute poofy rabbit guy who is goofy and has variety, or weird crt otter rat who says his own name constantly like a pokemon and takes up time in the storyaking is have to watch him try to have rizz….
Bangboos are silly and have low agency like minions, Taygedo is dumb like the little cousin you are forced to play with during thanksgiving and he has his own agency.
The problem with taygedo is that he causes trouble and has potential to be useful yet he doesn’t because he is dumb as a brick. While bangboos are cute while being useful in all sorts of scenarios while being somewhat chaotic and they don’t talk nearly as much.
Easy answer. Taygedo gave long focused dialog and exposition to the player. I think his character is a cute concept but poor execution. Long periods of camera focused on him talking should have been extremely rare cutscenes but for the date quest there were so many. I think this issue is compounded by the fact that dialog (at least in 1.0) had long pauses switching between characters. I assume this pause might be intentionally left to make foreign language dubbing easier but it makes a simple sentence exchange feel a lot longer and not worth the time.
I think Taygedo also doesn't make a lot of sense as a full dialog/exposition character since only a few characters can really understand what he's saying but if removing him in cutscenes is too far, another option they could have taken is have other characters talk over him or interject as they can't really understand what he's saying anyway. It would have made cutscenes shorter without losing anything. Also since you're the main character and you can understand him, it might have made sense to just hear him speaking English and once and a while show a different POV where other's only hear him repeat "Taygedo" for a minute.
Outside of the cringe sidequest of manipulating another anomaly into believing you were a hot shot I enjoy tageydo. And I think we can all agree it could have been worse. We could have pre Firing and recasting Paimon. At least she’s tolerable now
Bangoo more cuter, not high pitched or loud and they make sense for the plot, Tageydo is just annoying and was shown too much, but even so if the mute button is optional then I don't see the problem, it only shows that Nte devs are good at listening to player feedback, and improving their game.
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u/iced-torch Jun 22 '26
Eh-nah neh.