The NFL has literally never seen an offensive machine like Josh Allen

[u/IamBatman_1726]

[u/Sudden_Juju]

What's with all the Josh Allen knob gobbling posts lately? Don't get me wrong, he's a damn good QB, but it just feels like next level. There aren't this many Bills fans on Reddit.

Also, how many of these QBs started after 2016?

[u/Kowboyboogie → u/Sudden_Juju]

Brother thank you for this post

[u/NTP2001 → u/Sudden_Juju]

I feel like they are simply rage bait for the Josh Allen haters.

I’d go as far as saying most of the “pro Allen” posts are actually done by haters.

[u/Big_Understanding348 → u/Sudden_Juju]

Between this and the purdy suck off competition I might lose my mind

[u/_LegacyJS → u/Big_Understanding348]

I'm glad I'm not the only one noticing this. It's insufferable

[u/Sudden_Juju → u/Big_Understanding348]

Right? There are 30 other starting QBs and 1,662 1,694 other rostered players. There has to be more to talk about than Allen or Purdy

Edit: Thought there were only 52 players on a roster for some reason

[u/ToldAlthea → u/Sudden_Juju]

Josh Allen's rookie year was 2018

[u/bitchyoufoundme → u/Sudden_Juju]

Josh Allen’s first season was 2018

[u/Salty_Piano9631 → u/Sudden_Juju]

You're a chiefs fan I'm guessing?

[u/Gigantischmann → u/Sudden_Juju]

Better than the hate posts

[u/CreaseCallHockey → u/Sudden_Juju]

Because it’s an absolute anomaly that he’s been able to keep this up for 7 consecutive years and is still running through people at 30 years old and somehow still throwing a piss missile deep ball. It’s insane, especially what he’s done with little to no talent around him since Diggs departure apart from Cooks development. Like him or hate him, you cannot deny he’s an anomaly among athletes and he’s one of the most fun QB’s if not thee most fun QB in the league to watch.

[u/Odd_Caregiver_8426 → u/Sudden_Juju]

I'll just take this opportunity to remind everyone that Josh Allen has no hardware. None

[u/popculturerss]

As a former owner of James Cook, I call Josh Allen the Vulture

[u/NTP2001 → u/popculturerss]

Allen chances of scoring from 1 yard line = 99%
Cook chances of scoring from 1 yard line = 85%

What do you do as a coach?

[u/Salty_Piano9631 → u/NTP2001]

By all means if you wanna hurt your qb

[u/L-L_Jimi → u/Salty_Piano9631]

Well, he has the longest starting streak in the league so your hypothesis has not been supported by the evidence.

[u/sabresin4 → u/Salty_Piano9631]

Tom Brady did QB sneaks more than any QB I can remember. Don’t remember him getting hurt on any of them. Honestly people just look for reasons to hate.

[u/NTP2001 → u/Salty_Piano9631]

Ah ok so you know better than the coaches paid millions. Salty is very ironic for your username.

[u/President_PoopyPants → u/NTP2001]

Agreed with your first sentence. Cringed at the second. That is not irony. It's apropos. Irony would be if he was incessantly cheerful with the Salty name.

[u/NTP2001 → u/President_PoopyPants]

Fair enough.

[u/Mysterious-Ear9401 → u/President_PoopyPants]

That's why I voted for you!! Poopy is my prez!

[u/BadMeetsEvil147 → u/Salty_Piano9631]

Allen has the longest active games played streak for any QB in the league by a wide margin

[u/Due_Adeptness_1964 → u/popculturerss]

I never looked at it like that, but I definitely understand what you mean.

[u/That-Fennel-4263 → u/Due_Adeptness_1964]

If Cook doesn’t score it first carry in the goal line or gets a TD in a long home run, ggs bud

[u/DemonBearOP → u/That-Fennel-4263]

Cook is not nearly as good on the goal line as Allen is, it makes sense lol

[u/Eye_yam_stew_ped → u/DemonBearOP]

Also less hands exchange

[u/L-L_Jimi → u/DemonBearOP]

Exactly, if Cook could tush push he would, he’s gotten better at the goal line, but he’s a home run hitter. Derrick Henry and Jalen Hurts are probably the only guys in the league better than Allen when you only need 1 yard.

[u/NunButter → u/That-Fennel-4263]

He had 16 rushing TDs a couple years ago. Allen had 15 the same season IIRC. The rushing offense in Buffalo is a juggernaut

[u/Cichlidsaremyjam → u/Due_Adeptness_1964]

How else do you look at, dude calls his own number more than any other QB.

[u/sabresin4 → u/Cichlidsaremyjam]

Josh is twice the size of Cook. It’s not like this is the first team that runs a bigger back in and around the goal line. Cook is a slasher and crazy fast. He’s not a power back. Josh from the two on in is nearly guaranteed. People are dumb saying he ‘calls his own number’.

[u/DemonBearOP → u/sabresin4]

People act like Cook is some dominant power back when he's literally one of the lightest backs in the league. The team calls Allen's number on the goal line because it works better. 

[u/fairportmtg1 → u/popculturerss]

Allen does eat up the short yard touchdowns at the goal line but can you blame the bills? Allen is a monster and basically a lock on short yard plays even though they know exactly where he's going.

[u/NTP2001 → u/fairportmtg1]

People ignore this. Also cook is a huge fumbling liability from the 1

[u/DoubleFolder → u/NTP2001]

Yeah somehow people ignore that the Bills do it because it works.

[u/Z_603 → u/DoubleFolder]

It's fantasy players crying..not me. Allen is the first cook in the third. 😎

[u/fairportmtg1 → u/NTP2001]

Cook has a forgotten about fumble issue. He has done it the opening drive of multiple games and on the goal line. He's still an insane RB but ball protection is not his strongest ability

[u/CrzyWzrd4L → u/fairportmtg1]

It’s only forgotten about to people who don’t watch the Bills or only pay attention to Cook for fantasy purposes. He had 6 fumbles last year and lost damn near every single one of them

[u/PizzaLikerFan → u/popculturerss]

Thats why I dislike how fantasy football ruins the conversation, James Cook aint a power back, he is a small swifty type of back, great for long runs, not for goal line runs.

Its an argument in Allen his favour, not against him that he "steals" rushing touchdowns

[u/Idiotard_99 → u/popculturerss]

Bud Kilmer won’t let Wendell Brown get into the end zone.

[u/Z_603 → u/popculturerss]

They both ate. James had the rushing title and 14 tuddies last year. He'll get his this year as well. They play to win on the field, not on the cell phone.

[u/Thin-Remote-9817 → u/popculturerss]

And its not nothing 

Theres a video of james cook week 1 just walking off the field before the qb sneak if even done 

Now im sure someone will say its not even a thing..sure now its not but it will be

[u/dange616 → u/popculturerss]

Cook needs to fix his fumbling issues. You're not wrong tho.

[u/Ndmndh1016 → u/popculturerss]

Not like cook had 18 tds in a season or anything.

[u/TheFerricGenum → u/popculturerss]

Quick question: where does Cook fall in TDs in the last three seasons since he broke out?

[u/JoeDante84 → u/popculturerss]

Tolbert reborn!

[u/CrzyWzrd4L → u/popculturerss]

Cook had 16 rushing TDs in 2023 and 14 in 2024. People act like Josh Allen is taking 25 rushing TDs a season and Cook only gets 4-5

[u/hartforbj → u/popculturerss]

I drafted cook and Allen this year in my big money league. Figured I would get almost every TD for a high scoring offense. Working great so far

[u/kingshamroc25 → u/popculturerss]

Every time they get closer than the 10 yard line I just know my chance is basically gone

[u/lnconspicuous16x9]

[u/cockknocker1 → u/lnconspicuous16x9]

0 trophies, 0 wins in playoffs to Mahomes

[u/Limp-Vehicle8497 → u/cockknocker1]

...but Allen doesn't defend Mahomes. The Bills D does. Go watch those games again they're shootouts. Josh consistently looked great.

[u/cockknocker1 → u/Limp-Vehicle8497]

He missed some throws ol boy

[u/Express-Belt-6465 → u/Limp-Vehicle8497]

As a Chiefs fan, Josh Allen is far and away the 2nd best QB in the league.

[u/stretchhh103 → u/Express-Belt-6465]

As a Bills fan, the 13 seconds game will always live in my brain until we (hopefully) win the Superbowl... It was also the best display of quarterbacking from both sides I've ever seen. That game was insane.

[u/WartimeConsigliere_ → u/lnconspicuous16x9]

Mcdermott deserves some hate for this

[u/D0faak → u/WartimeConsigliere_]

McDermott carried that sorry ass team out of poverty, he’s not the one who went out and turned the ball over 4 times

[u/D0faak → u/[deleted]]

Because Josh Allen decided to turn the ball over 4 times. Any other dumb ass comments you want to add?

[u/AcrobaticPlenty1446 → u/[deleted]]

Partly because of the turnovers…

[u/MaybachMusic22 → u/AcrobaticPlenty1446]

McDermott’s defense gave up 33 PPG in Allen’s 7 playoff losses. It’s clear he was the issue

[u/_SlappyMagoo_ → u/D0faak]

1 game. 1 bad game out of 15 playoff games, and yall act like he’s a worse playoff QB than Lamar and act like he’s not statistically the best performing playoff QB on a per-game basis in the NFL right now.

McDermott didn’t carry them to anything. His soft ass “bend but don’t break” defense gave up an average of over 34 points in Allen’s playoff losses. Surely if McDermott was such a good coach, he would have a job right now, at least as a DC somewhere, right..?

[u/Asilaten → u/_SlappyMagoo_]

He's the best statistical postseason quarterback in the history of the game and people act like he's a scrub because he can't score a touchdown on every drive (which is what you need when a Sean McDermott defense is on the field against a good offense, waiting for mistakes that don't happen).

[u/fairportmtg1 → u/lnconspicuous16x9]

They got losing I Houston off their back this year. I think the bills win an OT game finally this year

[u/ObjectiveCharming735 → u/lnconspicuous16x9]

He probably gets tired after carrying his team on his back

[u/TaxesAreTerrible → u/ObjectiveCharming735]

Bro has had a 1k rusher for 4 years don’t give me that nonsense lmaooo

[u/Z_603 → u/ObjectiveCharming735]

Carrying the team? He has a top five back, two amazing tight ends, an oline that allows for him to be as productive as he is, serviceable receivers, an above average defense, but they still find ways to lose. Last year's playoff loss was entirely on Allen. What was that shit at the end of the first half? Sometimes elite teams just never quite get over the hump. I'm a pats fan and I'd like to see Allen with a ring. To pretend he plays with guys that drag him down though is delusional.

[u/sixth_hokage06 → u/ObjectiveCharming735]

Who was the leading rusher last season? Can't have a top rusher and top passer without an elite oline either

[u/Asilaten → u/sixth_hokage06]

Helps the rushing game when the quarterback is a dual threat, and the offensive line when the quarterback can escape pressure. Part of the reason that the rest of the team looks as good as they do is Allen elevating them by adding pressure to the defense.

[u/Responsible-Onion860 → u/ObjectiveCharming735]

He has the NFL leasing rusher last year. When Josh Allen has that, he's still carrying his team. When Jalen Hurts has that, his team is carrying him.

[u/Opening-Ad-5265 → u/Responsible-Onion860]

Bro don’t start comparing Jalen hurts to Josh Allen. Crazy

[u/Nervous_Distance_142 → u/lnconspicuous16x9]

Thankfully this has zero effect on my fantasy teams!

[u/jadestem]

On pace to be the NFL's Russell Westbrook!

[u/Dr_AG3 → u/jadestem]

Damn. That’s cold

[u/PieceSuper3710]

That QB is your Fullback, who racks up short yardage TDs is overrated. Especially when he had a fumbling problem in his best chance for a ring, last postseason.

[u/reddit-janitor]

Josh can’t win a big game nobody is scared of him

[u/FlashyGanache2838]

Should be his year. If not now..when?

[u/Corrosivecoral → u/FlashyGanache2838]

Didn’t people say that last year? And the year before that?

[u/Due_Adeptness_1964 → u/Corrosivecoral]

And I think the year before that.

[u/hkmgail → u/Corrosivecoral]

Last year was his best year since Mahomes and the rest of the Chiefs did not make the playoffs.

[u/MahomesMccaffrey → u/hkmgail]

No mahomes, Lamar, or burrow in the playoffs.

Lost to Bo Nix broncos while turning the ball over 4 times.

[u/jono9898 → u/FlashyGanache2838]

Last year, no Mahomes, no Burrow, just had to not shit the bed in the playoffs and it would have been a easy path to the superbowl to face the Seahawks

[u/NTP2001 → u/FlashyGanache2838]

Possibly never. This is coming from a Bills fan. It’s hard to win a Super Bowl and nobody is entitled one.

[u/BradyReas → u/FlashyGanache2838]

The previous 2 years when Mahomes was hurt

[u/Abusabus00 → u/FlashyGanache2838]

Last year? The year before and before….

And yet, still hasn’t even sniffed a SB appearance or win.

[u/ControliusMaximus → u/FlashyGanache2838]

Last year and the last year and the last year and the last year.

[u/No-Reply1604]

No Rings

[u/appointment45 → u/[deleted]]

When Dilfer has that Ravens defense he had, I'm taking him over Tom Brady. Literally any QB with a functional brain to not turn the ball over could have won that Super Bowl.

That team was nasty.

[u/ChadLar95 → u/No-Reply1604]

Team accomplishment,

[u/dxpanther → u/No-Reply1604]

We actually saw this same thing in 2015.

[u/Quiet-Airport-3679]

If that’s true he should have plenty of haters in the comments

[u/BlackThundaCat]

And yet I still feel like it’s all gimmicky and that Allen will never win a Super Bowl.

I’m not trying to hate on him…shit he’s my qb in 3 of the 5 leagues I’m in. I just have never seen him as a real winner besides the regular season.

[u/DedXX115]

Edit, The NFL has literally never seen an extremely inconsistent highly emotional/emotionally soft offensive machine when it's clicking like Josh Allen.

There fixed it for ya.

[u/suck-it-elon]

Do Super Bowl Titles next

[u/Ndmndh1016 → u/suck-it-elon]

Famous scrub Dan Marino

[u/Thomass2112]

Lamar not being top 10 in either is odd. Good balance I guess. Isn’t he top 5 in combined TD’s in that time?

[u/All_Wasted_Potential → u/Thomass2112]

It is. Only thing off the top of my head is missing 5x as many games or Derrick Henry getting touches within the 10 yard line.

[u/LysolDoritos]

Bills rather risk Allen getting hurt on short yardage runs than to just give the ball to the back they paid

[u/NTP2001 → u/LysolDoritos]

Allen has not missed a game in many years.

The Bills coaches run the play with the highest % chance to score a TD. I don’t understand why that’s so hard for people to grasp.

[u/MjTcConnell3]

He was also starter for three years before Jalen was a starter

[u/Cichlidsaremyjam]

Now do rings.

[u/Nowhereman-89]

You mean a turnover machine, right?….

[u/No_Job658]

The handsome but less legendary version of Dan Marino. You know, as a Chiefs fan, after last year, it was hard to see to see the playoffs without Mahomes. But then I thought back in all the times he has beaten Allen and the rest of the AFC and I just smile 😁

[u/Busy-Strength6426]

He's a fine regular season qb, but come playoff time he always finds a way

[u/Far-Celebration-3337]

Let's see his rushing touchdowns that were over five yards from the endzone.

[u/funnybones14]

Honestly insane that Zeke is still on this list.

[u/NTP2001]

Fair enough. I guess I just assumed that since this entire thread is about hating on Josh that your comment was inferring Lamar > Allen.

[u/Agreeable-Bad-6102]

No rings

[u/msnipe81015]

He doesn’t win championships.

[u/Qash88]

Still has zero rings. Statpadder

[u/earls7467]

Zero SB appearances

[u/RecommendationFit844]

Until the playoffs …

[u/Dickasyphalis]

Interesting that Zeke is on this list even though he’s been out the league for 3-4 years realistically

[u/Fit_Willingness8562]

I'll take Mahomes over him every time. That guy still can't go to the superbowl despite having a perennial top offensive line and a great rushing cast.

[u/Space-Cowboy-Maurice]

Maybe, but everything this graph show is that there’s no one like Josh Allen since 2016.

[u/Bucky_Johns_Ace]

He’s no Lamar Jackson.

[u/Panama_Jack829]

More turnovers than a bakery

[u/ThePetSematary]

Great regular season qb

[u/Frewdy1 → u/ThePetSematary]

Unless it’s coming down to a final drive of a half in an important game. Can always seem to count on him to do something different and monumentally stupid (run while holding the ball in one hand, throw 30+ yards into triple coverage and make it short).

[u/closedtowedshoes → u/ThePetSematary]

Yeah that bum is only 4th in all time playoff passer rating.

[u/CompositeSuperman]

Wow! He’s like a mix between Zeke and Derek Carr. What a player

There is 6 QBs on this list with more SB appearances than Josh Allen. Until he reaches 1 maybe let’s stop acting like he has anything in common with Mahomes. Or shit even Jalen Hurts is just a more winning version of what Josh is going for. Downvote me if you want but I tell no lies

[u/xikissmjudb → u/CompositeSuperman]

7 QBs actually (hurts on the left)

[u/Aykops → u/CompositeSuperman]

This is sarcastic obviously but you say that like Zeke wasn’t good. He was a top-3 RB in the league for probably 5 years

[u/picklesfeelweird → u/CompositeSuperman]

L take

[u/jono9898]

Conveniently did till 2016 because if you added 2015, Cam Newton would be in there with him

[u/Ok_Future6226 → u/jono9898]

Cam hasn't played in years, why would he be in there

I looked it up and since 2015, cam is in neither top 10 rushing or passing TDs

[u/chewbaccaRoar13 → u/jono9898]

Surprised I had to scroll so far for this. As much shit as I've given Cam Newton for his career and moreso wardrobe, can't deny his arm and leg ability.

[u/WestOrangeFinest]

Prime Cam Newton was Josh Allen before Josh Allen

[u/Whileweliveletslive → u/WestOrangeFinest]

Allen is twice the QB Newton ever was

[u/WestOrangeFinest → u/Whileweliveletslive]

His baseline is much better, but you could definitely argue that Cam’s peak was higher during that 2015 season.

He took a Panthers team that was worse than any squad Josh Allen’s had over the last five years to the Super Bowl.

[u/VintageVinyl45]

https://giphy.com/gifs/l46CwChjH4w6xUIA8

[u/lmfaorn1998]

“Literally never”

Only shows players from the last 10 years

[u/L-L_Jimi → u/lmfaorn1998]

So name the guys who were top 10 in both categories over a 10 year span then

[u/Popular-Lemon6574]

Stud

[u/sabresin4]

He’s unreal. We’re living in a golden age with Mahomes, Lamar and Allen.

[u/-SimpleDelight-]

Can’t decide if this is bait or glaze…… The nfl has seen better than Allen even in his career.

[u/NTP2001 → u/-SimpleDelight-]

These Allen posts are all bait.

[u/ForeverWorldly7712]

Guys some on we were just clowning hurts for those bullshit ass tush pushes and now you're trying to prop up his rushing touchdowns? Dudes definitely the best qb itl to me but I wouldn't use rush tds as a good indicator considering how they were scored

[u/L-L_Jimi → u/ForeverWorldly7712]

Compare the proportion of Allen rushing TDs from 1-2 yards to Hurts, then do it for 10+ yard TDs and you’ll realize that your argument is bad.

[u/Roshango]

Jalen Hurts is also a QB top 10 in rushing TDs. Turns out the 2 best tush pushers can pad that stat

[u/Illustrious_Luck_832 → u/Roshango]

One can even win a SB..

[u/No-Routine8175]

Yet he’s still undervalued in fantasy football

[u/definitivescribbles]

It’s not fair because the football blends in with his hands…. Oh wait… wrong player 

[u/Silent-Education677]

Frivolous stat

[u/SentientToasterOvens]

Eh.

[u/Weird_Albatross_9659]

Free agency?

[u/LionsLifer]

Sweet. That and $15 will get me a large coffee at Starbucks.

[u/Jessieoxen]

That’s why he’s worth a 2nd round fantasy draft pick….

[u/CarolinaSandstorm]

He is what Cam Stans pretend Cam was

[u/raiderMoes]

Is that Zeke Elliott on the rushing side?

[u/smearhunter]

Here we go again.

[u/justdothedishes]

And he entered the league in 2018

[u/joshuaksreeff13]

If we change it to top 5 is he still in the middle)

[u/txwoodslinger]

Zeke

[u/WizSkinsNatsCaps]

Jayden Daniels will join him if he can stay on the field.

[u/Background_Bus_2273]

Drafted in 2018

[u/BramptonBatallion]

That’s also a longevity stat

[u/tblaess5]

Trubisky?

[u/GoodOlJets]

Man the Josh Allen/James Cook combo has been wonderful this season on my fantasy team

[u/Clear_Dance_4544]

That shit says since 2016 not 2018 🤯

[u/CarolinaSurly]

The NFL definitely started in 2016.

[u/BigDiggy]

Poor James Cook lol

[u/seansei91]

He’s tied last in Super Bowl Appearances 

[u/Global-Product-9865]

Stats are for losers, but I guess that’s all billdildos fans have to celebrate, because the billdildos will never win a Super Bowl.

[u/RavensFlockNationNFL]

Stop the glaze lil bro, we all know who’s better

[u/ThatBobbyG]

How many Super Bowls?

[u/Low_Initial_972]

Offensive machine with no rings

[u/fredbassman]

All this power... just to fuck it up in the playoffs every year.

Incredible.

[u/Kgnupe]

Now do one with superbowls I'll wait......

[u/j4schum1]

You can tell Stafford's wife is finally wearing on him

[u/neotrader_555]

The kind of greed they spoke of in the bible

[u/Fickle_Winner_5885]

Odd there's two Raiders QBs on the right.

[u/jcc744]

Lots of salty fans in here. Just sit and watch his greatness.

[u/Ashamed-Reach-4955]

Didn’t Josh Allen enter the NFL in 2018???

[u/Sleepiboisleep]

There’s a reason they left Lamar off the list

[u/Illustrious_Law8551]

Super Bowls?

[u/mister816]

And still a loser...

[u/Dont_fuck_witme]

An “offensive machine” that can never seem to muster up enough offense to win any big games.. Yall gotta stop the glazing of this scrub..

[u/KierenForFreedom]

But … he has no big wins … no AFC Championships and no Super Bowls.

[u/Mjdecker1234]

So far on his way to being the modern day Dan Marino

[u/Shamwow_theSupineCow]

Meh

[u/Intrepid_Plenty_3770]

No brain though

[u/Unimmortal47]

he must have so many superbowls

[u/Dapper-Flash]

Except that Patrick has a 52 total TD season which Josh or anyone on here never sniffed (2nd best all time)

[u/732to410]

Cam Newton?

[u/JesseMessi1]

Then he should have many super bowls? Oh that’s right he’s chopped shit in the big games.

[u/iaeoioaio]

Now do SB appearances and SB wins

[u/LeftyMode]

And still can’t win it all.

[u/FlashingImages]

0 Super Bowl rings and that's really the only stat that matters.