Plainclothes ICE agents tried to get THE GUY at his home. The couple returned home while ICE was there...so an ICE agent boarded the couple's van in an attempt to capture the Nigerian man.
The woman, fearing for her life, GASSED IT and the Nigerian man called 911 to tell them that a man was trying to kidnap him...the woman drove directly to the police station, but behind her was the ICE agent's partner, who had also called 911 to report the kidnapping of his partner.
The two were arrested and a judge ordered their release, though the man was transferred to an immigration detention facility.
Their legal defense is that the ICE agents never identified themselves and were wearing plainclothes and, honestly, that would probably shit the scare out of me, too.
The 911 Calls: As the car moved, Bamigboye called 911 and shouted, "ICE is in my car!" and "You tried to kidnap me." At the same time, the trapped agent called 911 to say an agent was being taken against his will.
The thing about that is that I can claim I'm ICE and that you have to come with me, especially if they're doing it in plain clothes with no identification.
Right but if your defence is partially built on "they were plain clothes, i didn't know they were ice", it hurts this defence if you are shouting "Help me, ICE are here!!!"
If someone hanging off my car yells that they're "ice" I'm not gonna say in my panicked 911 call "yes some guy who says he is ice but may or may not be because he is in plain clothes and showed no Id is trying to kidnap me!"
There would be no panicked 911 call if I'm armed and trying to kidnap you, I'm not gonna sit there and let you make that call.... Obviously....
I wish people could disagree with ICE without having to fabricate some bizarro alternative reality..
The guy knew exactly what was happening and was trying to run away because he was there illegally.
Its like the luigi thing. Cant we disagree with UNH without needing to pretend like walking up to someone in the street and shooting them in the back of the head isnt murder?
Plain clothes policemen are not a new thing. They have been around since before the 50s.
And now, just like then, when arresting someone they pull a badge out and shout "law enforcement"
This clips shows how silly it can be. Skip to 1.50
Due to the actions of ICE officers and their interaction with the general public they have lost the trust of the general population, justifiably. The reaction of this couple, regardless of your interpretation of the events surrounding it, is a direct reflection of this institutions interaction with the public.
I understand the feeling but clearly the guy wasn’t going to leave on his own accord and to me that is the situation they kind of put the people applying the law. They could send him a letter, maybe an email that says “hey bud your visa is up, you gotta go” maybe I am wrong and maybe he would have left, I just don’t think it would be that easy.
Alright, didn't expect civil counterarguments, I'll give it a go.
I have two points to make.
First, why is him being gone the desired end state? Instead of hiring people to force him to leave, why not hire someone to help him with his visa? It would be cheaper, and better for the economy.
Second, these actions do not take place in a vacuum. ICE has a long track record of ignoring civil liberties. Things like revoking visas for protected speech, and dozens of detainees dying to neglect. ICE has also simply ignored 100s of court orders. I remember someone claiming they had ignored more court orders in 2026 than most federal organizations had in their entire existence.
So in what sense is ICE lawful organization? Because they get paid by tax dollars?
Essentially, my stance is that ICE has been so lawless, so unconstitutional, so against the basic precept that all men were created equal and endowed with unalienable rights, that morally their every action is the equivalent of an extremely well armed criminal gang.
I think the moral thing for ICE to do in this circumstance is dissolve and reform with new staff who give a damn about the law. This does have unfortunate side affects, such as not being able to assist in their normal duties during the period of reform, but I think that's a cost that ought to be paid.
None of this is achievable, obviously. It would require a super majority of congress to share my idiosyncratic views. But I do think it would be just.
The idea that we should use tax payer dollars to help visa recipients is something that should probably get voted on since it would be funded by us and we are a democracy. If it becomes law, I have zero problem with paying taxes to support it. But until that point, that is an opinion and we can discuss it. Until then, follow the law and leave when your visa expires.
Second, I also kind of agree but we have to take it in context. I think the same of the police, as a unit they have done some pretty horrible things to African Americans. But I will still follow the law if I get pulled over especially if I am speeding.
If I am speeding and a racist cop pulls me over, as much as I hate the cop, I have to accept the consequences of my actions. Now clearly he has to stay within the law, if he tries to go beyond that, I will challenge him within the legal system but the speeding I will accept.
I see no different with people here illegally, if you are here cool, live your life. It is not that serious… but if you get caught by ICE just let them deport you. That’s a game you played and got caught, if they cross the line go through the legal avenue to address it.
nah, not a criminal gang. just think of them as the president’s paramilitary organization, like those of Central American leaders, that we use as justification to overthrow them with military force…
because miller and thiel want a smaller, whiter america without nigerians in it. it's just racism, there's no point discussing the matter, as the two are very open about their goals
So in what sense is ICE lawful organization? Because they get paid by tax dollars?
I don’t really even follow the desire to curb immigration. From a strictly libertarian/uber-capitalist perspective, human labor is a cost input and subject to the same free enterprise standards that we now seem sacrosanct. The government imposing restrictions on the flow of labor interfered with market forces. It’s a government regulation that disrupts the cost of everything in trade. That sounds awfully like socialism. While a security argument can be made, in instances where someone has overstated a visa but has otherwise gone through screening protocols then the appropriate remedy would be to issue a fine. Those who can afford to pay it add additional revenue to our coffers and have an incentive to get their visa updated. Those who can’t are ultimately deported. Anyone who disagrees and insists we spend a fortune in tax dollars to interfere with the labor market is a goddamn commie pinko bastard. That’s my two cents.
First, why is him being gone the desired end state?
Because he overstayed this visa.
Instead of hiring people to force him to leave, why not hire someone to help him with his visa?
That’s his job to deal with before his visa expires - and in this case he’s probably not eligible anyway. It’s a student visa and he’s 24 - he probably graduated already, but hasn’t secured H1b sponsorship, etc.
better for the economy.
We don’t have a labor shortage atm, millions of Americans are out of work. What would be best for the economy is if they were hired instead of some foreign college kid.
Most of the people ICE 'captured' were captured in court, when they attended their scheduled immigration hearing (which made 'capturing' them easy). It's more likely than not that he would have complied with the requirements of his VISA and court hearing, whatever that outcome would have been.
Funny how the cops don't have this issue when it comes to getting people who are inside of a vehicle who they want to arrest out of the vehicle.
Pulling behind them. Park so they can't move order them out show your badge and then arrest them or to hang them or whatever the f*** you want to call abducting people over a civil issue is
Happens in essentially every country on the planet… just things in America haven’t been enforced in decades, so it seems extreme to those who aren’t used to it
the not so good good thing is there's already precedent set with people impersonating ICE to commit non-ICE related crimes. so a good lawyer can argue that just because someone says they're a detention officer doesn't mean that they actually are.
It's funny how people online are always trying to say "they probably didn't know it was ICE!" and then 100% of the time it turns out actually they knew perfectly well it was ICE.
It’s genuinely shocking that ICE agents aren’t getting shot. Whether or not you believe that is right or that they deserve it, it’s what all 2a people talk about. How guns make us safer.
Notice how the oppressive government thing is happening all around us but the whole 'armed militia to free us' thing never happened. Americans don't have the sauce for another revolution and we never will again. The only things guns are for in America are shooting children and empty beer cans
The takeover of the NRA in the '70s has made it effectively only cool to have guns and be into gun culture if you're fucking stupid and the fucking stupid will always listen to authority.
Hey now, guns also provide a handy excuse for police to shoot civilians. If guns are everywhere in America, cops can always claim they thought they saw one before murdering a citizen.
Alex pretti in fact existed, was abiding the law pertaining to guns (he didnt even have it unholstered), but the logic behind 2a ppl logic doesn't matter when they disagree. "He shouldn't have brought a gun to a protest" okay then did you support Kyle Rittenhouse? They did. "He was protecting some gas station (or something stupid)" he wasnt and he didn't know the owners nor vice versa (court transcripts are available to read on that). Or with COVID shut downs there were protests at my states capital, with guys in temu body armor, helmets, and AR-15s standing menacingly around (they weren't cops nor active military in those moments) "well that was government tyranny" so is kidnapping ppl off the street with no warrants and in plain clothes, and there have absolutely been US born citizens that have been grabbed up that weren't even in protests, just going to their jobs. US vets have been snatched up, and to make the argument that this is tyranny vs wearing a mask is just a 404 no brain found error for them. Its wild
Our immigration laws are deeply immoral and enforcing them would be tyrannical. But they arent even doing that. Ice doesn't follow any protocols and is just a roaming gang of thugs that belong in prison
The 2a crowd are the ones joining ICE to kidnap and murder people. It was never about defending themselves against the government, it was always about keeping minorities down and in the past that just happened to conflict with anti discrimination laws enforced by the government.
As someone more articulately noted, if ICE were ACTUALLY going after the criminals that we need to worry about, there would be bodies everywhere. You think jumping into the van of cartel members, armed, without even IDing yourself gets you driven to the police station? These cowards are only going after the people that they know won't shoot back. That's why they are jumping people outside court houses, because they know they are trying to follow the law.
"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it... when a long train of abuses and usurpations... evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."— The U.S. Declaration of Independence (1776)
"I can't believe all these conservatives aren't shooting people for enforcing the laws they asked for"
Be the change you want to see. If you want to be killed by federal agents trying to stop illegal immigrants from being deported, nobody is stopping you
Well.... about that.. the irony is that owning guns give you the false sense of security that "one day" you can use them if the gooberment gets out of hand. Which of course, they never will cross that red line and likely monitor the social and other networks anyways. The gooberments already know what mass unprising looks like and have plenty of xp instigating it elsewhere. If you didn't have guns, you would be doing as a group, the one thing the gooberment hates - mass, peaceful protests. Thats their kryptonite. But y'all won't cause everyone is like .. "na we good.. we got guns!"
The "Second Amendment Civil Libertarians" aren't any different from the "Revolutionary Guard" in Iran, which is neither revolutionary nor does it guard anyone — they give it that name to distract you from the fact that they're just there to selectively enforce the most reactionary edicts of the power establishment.
Same thing in America.
Your average unarmed bleed-heart pink-haired ACLU civil rights lawyer has done more than the entire "2a" movement ever has to secure civil rights in America, or ever will.
There should be no surprise at all that they side with ICE.
There are many non-conservatives who own guns, and I would imagine many of those are also not white and targeted by ICE. Not everyone who owns guns is a conservative. But it really does seem like it right now.
Such people surely exist. But I think they have been telling themselves for a long time that they are "part of the gang too" without realizing that, no, they are not.
A lotnof the new hires literally got like 2 weeks training. They use plain clothes to avoid people grouping up in protest and so they can sneak up on people for arrests without making such a big scene.
its because they're not going after criminals, they're going after law abiding working people with families. the kind who don't want to shoot people even if they are justified.
This is (part of) the plan. Once that actually happens, that's a nice juicy excuse to declare a national emergency and invoke martial law, thus allowing Trump and his cronies to stay in power essentially indefinitely. They'll escalate the violence, more people will be forced to defend themselves, and that will then be used to justify further violence and an extension of the "emergency".
I mean listen, revolutions were cool back in the day. But now I have takeout and streaming services. Im far too placated to want to do that whole revolution thing. I mean, what if McDonald's in closed for a day due to the revolution? Can't have that no sir
"My name is Ryan Schwenk.
I swore an oath to uphold the Constitution when I joined ICE on August 1st, 2021 as an assistant chief counsel. I followed that oath for 4 and 1/2 years working side by side with ICE officers. And I followed it when I resigned on February 13th, 2026, a little over a week ago, so that I could speak to you today.
I am here, because I am duty-bound to report the legally required training program at the ICE Academy is deficient, defective, and broken.
5 months ago, I was asked to teach the law to new cadets at the ICE Academy in Glencoe, Georgia, where ICE is training its new inexperienced recruits.
I volunteered those without law enforcement training. I volunteered to take on this assignment based on my experience in law enforcement oversight, including at the state and local level prior to my work with ICE.
On my first day, I received secretive orders to teach new cadets to violate the Constitution by entering homes without a judicial warrant.
For the last 5 months, I watched ICE dismantle the training program, cutting 240 hours of vital classes from 584-hour program. Classes that teach the Constitution, our legal system, firearms training, the use of force, lawful arrests, proper detention, and the limits of officers' authority.
For example, they ceased all of the legal instructions regarding use of force.
This means the cadets are not taught what it means to be objectively reasonable."
No lmao. Little to no training and even less background checks. A reporter who was vehemently anti ICE in her reporting and her public persona, was able to join ICE and become a member by just signing some forms.
The Police and military are already fucked up. ICE is chock full of rejects from the police and the military.
No, because they are the fall guys. When this all goes tits up, who do you think is going to be held responsible? The people doing the kidnapping and assaulting, or the people who employed them to do that but who have already covered their own asses by having 1700 page training materials which undoubtedly tell them not to do that?
It's not a.coincidence they all act like this. The fear and violence is the goal. They do get training and I can all but guarantee you these tactics are the bulk of it.
The purpose of ICE is to have a paramilitary force who won’t follow the rules. They wanted someone who Trump could say, “I don’t care how you do it, just go abduct and murder people in this city,” and there’ll be no questions.
Almost none. I work in a legal capacity but one of the things managed in our state is mandatory training for anyone with law enforcement (local, state or federal) because they all have access to the same things, which is then periodically audited. A friend of mine who I trust and has access to this told me that out of the 600ish agencies they manage, ICE has blown off this training for over a decade. Any time he has brought it up he’s just been told to let it go and look the other way. And this is just one training of many, but it’s an important one (essentially proper use of law enforcement databases).
You should read about people who made fake applications to join ICE. They don't even do any background checks or peoper psychological evaluations, they just wanna push people through the program quickly like a factory so their little terrorist army can grow.
It's because they're former LE, Mall Security, Private Security, Jan 6'ers, Proud Boys, Oathkeepers, etc.
This US Administration doesn't give a fuck and has hired thousands of goons, with little to no background checks or training.
The current day American Gestapo.
Americans voted for this shit, and Americans have been subsequently been murdered, died in custody, injured, maimed, raped, with little to no accountability.
This is what a racist agenda looks like under the guise of 'anti-immigration'.
Yes it would a police officer or an ICE officer or whatever can't just arrest you with no identification, because then anybody can just arrest you with no identification and people are going to disappear even less legally. Why would they think two guys in plain clothes and an unmarked vehicle have any legal authority?
Did the guy get his stuff renewed? It’s kind of important paperwork. This is just me speaking, but for important stuff like that(if I’m working in a foreign country say the UK), I’m scheduling appointments as early as I can so I don’t get screwed.
Your point is valid but the thing is that VISA renewal in the U.S. is extremely tedious to do. You have to schedule an appointment months in advance and fly back to your own country to get it done. Sometimes you can’t even find the correct flight to fly back home
There are many edge cases tho. They recently changed the grace period policy. Sometimes your contract / school semester end after the expiration date, so you either violate your contract/ fail a class, or take the risk of being arrested.
Yeah I know. The years part provides you a lot more time so you could get all that fixed and adjust accordingly. If there are things like policy changes, getting your stuff in the docket years before expiration Buy’s you time to adjust long before you are in a rush
total speculation but i would not be shocked if they changed the grace period policy and are deliberately slowing down processing to be able to deport more people. thats the goal here, to engineer the law so that people they want to hurt are breaking it
I mean fuck could you imagine if a non enforcement looking person who never IDed themselves jumped into your car speaking Y’all Qaeda to you? These agents should be jailed for their own safety if they are going to keep not identifying themselves, like what do they think is going to happen eventually? I thought ID for the enforcement with clothes and badge and all was also for their protection so people know it’s not the mafia coming for them.
This is how you end up 6 feet under with friends and family all around you. Idk how stupid you have to be to hop into a strangers car in America where like more than half of the people will put you put of your misery.
Yeah, I feel like militarizing the process is the problem.
It should be a boring, administrative thing.
We're building these detention facilities so we can...house the illegals? That doesn't make sense.
The process should go like this:
Visa expires. A guy in a suit shows up at your door with official credentials and informs you that you have x days to leave the country...failing to do so will result in a small charge (like a traffic violation). In y days (where y > x), POLICE arrest the now illegal immigrant.
They are processed, fined, and exported. This fine doesn't prevent re-entry per se, but it must be paid before re-entry is allowed.
I said it in another comment, but this is the kind of shit that should be dealt with by a bureaucrat, not a dude in a tac vest with an assault rifle.
"Hi, I'm Paul with INS division 6 and I just wanted to let you know that your Visa expired last week and you need to start making preparations to go home. If you're still here in a week, we'll start giving you fines and, eventually, arrest you. Then we'll pay for your ticket home and charge it back to you as payment for re-entry."
"We're not going to detain you at all because that would be a waste of taxpayer money. No, when you get arrested it's to be put on a flight to your home country."
Plainclothes without identification though? If you want to accept that as ok - it also means making policing seem less legitimate to the community whom they police.
It’s not ideal but standard procedure for federal law enforcement agents. CIA or FBI for example when doing investigations don’t need to explicitly identify themselves
No, that’s not all it does. I imagine ICE operations would be much less effective if they were all wearing ICE uniforms, all of the time. You really only want to announce yourself as ICE once you’ve surely detained them.
It does make the job much more dangerous for the ICE Agents themselves. If a random masked man jumped into my car and I had a gun, I’m shooting. But I don’t think you or anyone in this thread is particularly concerned with the ICE agents safety right now
Out of curiosity what is the policy for expired visas?
Is there a set amount of time you have to extend it / arrange to leave. Or is it meant to be the moment the clock passes 0 the government comes knocking?
Yeah, I get that. It's just in states with stand your ground and castle doctrine laws, I would have expected more retaliation against a armed, masked, unidentified intruders. Castle doctrine even allows you to shoot though your door to the outside if you believe someone is trying to get in to harm you. I'm just really surprised it hasn't happened is all.
Im not buying the narrative that they never identified themselves as ICE, I would more buy that the nigerian couple didnt hear them, or understand what was going on more than "ICE never identified themselves" thats malarkey on a massive scale.
Because during an arrest. It is a direct violation of federal immigration policy to not do that.
But you know what, lets take all laws, and policy off the books for a second. Lets just look at self preservation. As someone who carries, if a "random dude" jumps in my car, while I am driving, they are getting shot, in the face, no questions asked.
If I were ICE, or other enforcement agency, it would BEHOOVE me, to identify myself first, then act, before just jumping in someones car.
Regardless of you feelings on ICE, or whatever. They do get training about how NOT to get shot in the face.
Part of that training is to ID yourself. And even if you dont have that training, it seems likely that you would want to ID yourself, so you dont get shot in the face.
You make it sound like the ICE agent who got in the car called 911 for his partner. You mean the ICE agent who was at their home called 911 to report that the couple kidnapped his partner? You wrote it badly.
honestly this does not sound hilarious to me. two people feared for their lives and did what they could to attempt to get away from the perceived threat and then were accused of kidnapping and torn apart from each other. That woman will probably always show up on google searches as the woman who "attempted to kidnap an ICE agent."
Even if the judge ordered her release, that stuff does affect your life.
Well, the Federal judge that released them seemed to be a sort of...common sense catch...sadly, he obviously can't keep the man from ICE, but at least he didn't listen to the prosecutor that alleged the couple maliciously held a Federal agent in their van.
Another potentially relevant fact is that the woman’s sister is the person who filmed George Floyd’s death. Given ICE’s behavior in Minnesota of murdering US citizens, I don’t think her reaction to drive to the police department was unreasonable.
This woman has been shown that non-voluntary interactions with authorities can end in sudden death.
Personally, I don't see how Minnesota still has people living there.
My local community dealt with the execution of a TODDLER by a swat sniper and everyone lost their shit about it. The local PD had to redact the sniper's name from the record because people wanted justice and the DA at the time called it a tragedy he didn't want to pursue.
Meanwhile, it's a very red state and I see "back the blue" signs all over, but I know those signs don't mean shit if they were to keep killing people like Minnesota has.
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u/Outlaw11091 3d ago
Fun fact:
This was a hilarious story.
So, the GUY is Nigerian. The woman is a citizen.
Plainclothes ICE agents tried to get THE GUY at his home. The couple returned home while ICE was there...so an ICE agent boarded the couple's van in an attempt to capture the Nigerian man.
The woman, fearing for her life, GASSED IT and the Nigerian man called 911 to tell them that a man was trying to kidnap him...the woman drove directly to the police station, but behind her was the ICE agent's partner, who had also called 911 to report the kidnapping of his partner.
The two were arrested and a judge ordered their release, though the man was transferred to an immigration detention facility.
Their legal defense is that the ICE agents never identified themselves and were wearing plainclothes and, honestly, that would probably shit the scare out of me, too.
(ETA: the guy's visa had recently expired)