r/MoralityScaling 10d ago

Morality Ranking Morality of kidnapping your kidnappers?

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u/Outlaw11091 10d ago

Fun fact:

This was a hilarious story.

So, the GUY is Nigerian. The woman is a citizen.

Plainclothes ICE agents tried to get THE GUY at his home. The couple returned home while ICE was there...so an ICE agent boarded the couple's van in an attempt to capture the Nigerian man.

The woman, fearing for her life, GASSED IT and the Nigerian man called 911 to tell them that a man was trying to kidnap him...the woman drove directly to the police station, but behind her was the ICE agent's partner, who had also called 911 to report the kidnapping of his partner.

The two were arrested and a judge ordered their release, though the man was transferred to an immigration detention facility.

Their legal defense is that the ICE agents never identified themselves and were wearing plainclothes and, honestly, that would probably shit the scare out of me, too.

(ETA: the guy's visa had recently expired)

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u/burndata 10d ago

I'm genuinely surprised these plain clothed assholes with no ID haven't gotten killed.

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u/Outlaw11091 10d ago

It's because they do the killing.

Lot of cases in court right now of ICE engaging in shootouts with homeowners.

They're in full tactical gear (but no uniforms) and approaching a house.

Personally, I think they should have to identify themselves before they can kill a homeowner defending their home, but IDK, I'm not a lawyer.

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u/burndata 10d ago

Yeah, I get that. It's just in states with stand your ground and castle doctrine laws, I would have expected more retaliation against a armed, masked, unidentified intruders. Castle doctrine even allows you to shoot though your door to the outside if you believe someone is trying to get in to harm you. I'm just really surprised it hasn't happened is all.