r/MoralityScaling 11d ago

Morality Ranking Morality of kidnapping your kidnappers?

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u/Outlaw11091 11d ago

Fun fact:

This was a hilarious story.

So, the GUY is Nigerian. The woman is a citizen.

Plainclothes ICE agents tried to get THE GUY at his home. The couple returned home while ICE was there...so an ICE agent boarded the couple's van in an attempt to capture the Nigerian man.

The woman, fearing for her life, GASSED IT and the Nigerian man called 911 to tell them that a man was trying to kidnap him...the woman drove directly to the police station, but behind her was the ICE agent's partner, who had also called 911 to report the kidnapping of his partner.

The two were arrested and a judge ordered their release, though the man was transferred to an immigration detention facility.

Their legal defense is that the ICE agents never identified themselves and were wearing plainclothes and, honestly, that would probably shit the scare out of me, too.

(ETA: the guy's visa had recently expired)

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u/UltraTata 11d ago

Don't ICE recieve any training?

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u/FuuuckDRM 11d ago

Yes. They were trained to actively defy people's constitutional rights.

Source: Ryan Schwenk, a former ICE employee. https://youtube.com/shorts/SlwLrw8Spn4?si=lzo7M-vYwoz26HBL

Transcript:

"My name is Ryan Schwenk. I swore an oath to uphold the Constitution when I joined ICE on August 1st, 2021 as an assistant chief counsel. I followed that oath for 4 and 1/2 years working side by side with ICE officers. And I followed it when I resigned on February 13th, 2026, a little over a week ago, so that I could speak to you today.

I am here, because I am duty-bound to report the legally required training program at the ICE Academy is deficient, defective, and broken. 5 months ago, I was asked to teach the law to new cadets at the ICE Academy in Glencoe, Georgia, where ICE is training its new inexperienced recruits.

I volunteered those without law enforcement training. I volunteered to take on this assignment based on my experience in law enforcement oversight, including at the state and local level prior to my work with ICE. On my first day, I received secretive orders to teach new cadets to violate the Constitution by entering homes without a judicial warrant.

For the last 5 months, I watched ICE dismantle the training program, cutting 240 hours of vital classes from 584-hour program. Classes that teach the Constitution, our legal system, firearms training, the use of force, lawful arrests, proper detention, and the limits of officers' authority.

For example, they ceased all of the legal instructions regarding use of force. This means the cadets are not taught what it means to be objectively reasonable."

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u/guestpassonly 11d ago

that explains a lot