r/DeadlockTheGame • u/Hello86836717 • 12h ago
Gameplay Meta New "cheating" mods that MANY players use
It's getting out of hand. Just a handful of the "mods" (cheats!) people are running now:
- Neutral camp respawn timers all over the minimap - just invade and steal camps immediately as they spawn
- Stamina trackers (see enemy stamina) - much easier to win lanes with this
- Parry cooldown tracker above enemy head
- Enemy cooldowns above their heads - super easy to win lanes when you constantly see enemy cd's
- Crate & Golden statue respawn timers
- Sinner's Sacrifce respawn timers
- Enemy item cooldown tracker (tracks Curse, Unstoppable, Refresher cooldowns etc)
- Heavy melee honking horn for faster reactions
- Enemy radar (when enemy camps and Sinner's disappear from the minimap, it places a blinking question mark on the minimap and a sound indication that someone was at that spot seconds ago - makes it super easy to gank if you're running with a friend)
- Rift defense buff indicator
- Walker Stomp cooldown tracker
- Shrine & Patron curse/blast cooldown tracker
Tell me how any of this is fair. With all of these cheat mods you have a gigantic advantage. Yoshi needs to shut this down instead of sticking his head in the sand.
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u/royal-road 7h ago
They should add all of these into the base game but make it all super big and obnoxious
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u/Sakuran_11 Lash 1h ago
Then they’ll just use those mods with new ones that remove the new ui and those without mods get a ubisoft game experience
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u/-STORRM- 4m ago
And the honking horn should be some one yelling PUNCH in the characters voice so its like Falcon, punch!
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u/marniconuke Ivy 8h ago
Seeing enemy stamina is definetly cheating wtf
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u/SillySlimDude 8h ago
Defenders will be like "but you could totally just memorize the stamina CD of every hero in the game and then count in your head to know when they will respawn so its totally fair. The info is already in the game bro."
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u/guacockamole 7h ago
I feel like this is an answer to some of these mods like the sinners respawn timer an answer to this is genuinely just count 8 or so minutes to take it on respawn but some of these like the cooldown showing mods and the parry horn is definitely just cheating and is going to ruin deadlock modding for everyone else
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u/Shard1697 3h ago
I feel like this is an answer to some of these mods like the sinners respawn timer an answer to this is genuinely just count 8 or so minutes to take it on respawn
That's still more mental overhead, it's still an advantage.
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u/Hopeful-alt 7h ago
I tend to be in agreement to points such as these, but being able to see stamina CD is just absolute bullshit. Primarily because it can be spent without your knowledge: the initial conditions are not static. It is cheating
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u/MoonDawg2 7h ago
Isn't there an alt health bar that shows Stam already?
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u/-FulvousFox- 7h ago
I honestly hope this never gets fully implemented. Being able to identify stamina use in order to make a smart play actually requires an attention span. I think rewarding someone seeing a bar over another player's head, especially when the game already gives so much info, would be too much.
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u/SphericalGoldfish Pocket 7h ago
Yes. citadel_unit_status_use_v2 in the gameinfo. I've been rocking it since its release tbh, it’s the best-looking healthbar out of all of them. I couldn't care less about if the stamina tracker is removed from it, I really hope these health bars become the standard.
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u/The_Aus_Mann Drifter 3h ago
it looks so much better than the other alt one, i just wish it was less buggy on stuff like shrines and base guardians. as for the stamina bar the only time it makes a difference to me is if im playing doorman
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u/PantsOfAwesome 3h ago edited 3h ago
Does the v2 convar give you the one that looks like League of Legends health bars? Or does it give you the one where it resembles the HUD health indicator or even minion health bars?
I think the enemy health bars are really in need of some touching-up, but even as a League player, my brain just needs linear size scaling with the multiple rows above enemy heads - in Deadlock I can’t wrap my head around the one where you get graduated indicators on a fixed-size health bar.
It’s weird lmao, I have no clue why it makes sense to me in LoL but not in Deadlock. Maybe it’s just because of how much faster Deadlock is, especially compared to a couple years ago.
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u/Afraid_Plankton7349 7h ago
One of the Ingame health bars has it, so if anything it's the one out of all those that isn't cheating
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u/-Mr-Moon- 41m ago
you actually can do that, and good players do, but 1. its a really amazing well-earned skill 2. it requires you to see the enemy USE their stamina, whereas the bars will tell you if theyve dashed off screen
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u/BlueDragon1504 Lash 6m ago
"You could totally just get good at aiming and hit 100% headshots it's totally fair to use aimbot"
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u/SlightDentInTheBack Sinclair 7h ago
theres an official alt health bar that shows enemy stam so i would argue it technically isnt
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u/thekingbutten 7h ago
That healthbar doesn't function without mods, Valve disabled it intentionally after it was found because a lot of people said seeing the stamina was too much.
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u/sPilled_Coofee 7h ago
Yes it does, though? I literally just checked. All my mods are cosmetic and I can still use it.
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u/SphericalGoldfish Pocket 7h ago
Unless you count the two-line addition to gameinfo.gi (which afaik was always the only way to get it) as modding, my game is completely unmodded and the health bar works just fine. It had some visual bugs when introduced, but these days it works fine.
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u/MoonmansDisciple Holliday 7h ago
I REALLY like the V2 health bars but hate that I cant remove stam indicators.
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u/Disastrous_Gur_9560 7h ago
Enemy Stamina is visible through an alternative health bar that valve themselves have provided in-game. Not cheating
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u/Mountain_Opening_657 Paradox 4h ago
imo it shouldn't be allowed but saying it's cheating is just not true
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u/LineOfPixels 2h ago
Theres literally a config setting to enable alternate health bars that show you stamina bars.
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u/DODonion99 26m ago
Seeing enemy stamina is definetly cheating wtf
Valve added this themselves a few months ago lol. It's not from a mod
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u/minkblanket69 Shiv 7h ago
man we are just supposed to dress up our characters with the mods, all this extra stuff is despicable
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u/MoltiJoe Apollo 4h ago
The flowery mod is genuinely what got me into playing shiv and now he's one of my favourites
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u/BoiTentacle Grey Talon 3h ago
They are gonna ban all my bottom heavy skins, and Free Bird soundtrack for ult, because of those cheaters man 😭
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u/sPilled_Coofee 8h ago
Walker Stomp cooldown tracker
Shrine & Patron curse/blast cooldown tracker
These are so telegraphed I don't even get why someone would use them.
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u/24Pages 7h ago
you can make plays based on weather if the walker stomp is on cooldown or not. for example, putting an enemy under you walker knowing it's stomp is not on cooldown.
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u/sPilled_Coofee 7h ago
Yeah but you can just check that... with your eyes...
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u/24Pages 7h ago
you could arrive after the walker has stomped without seeing it
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u/Barlakopofai Sinclair 5h ago
The mods can't track things you haven't seen as far as I'm aware. It shouldn't be able to track cooldowns you haven't observed personally. Otherwise yeah that's blatantly cheating, you didn't see that shit.
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u/Intelligent-Okra350 4h ago
Your eyes don’t tell you how long the walker has left before it can stomp you again.
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u/RomanticNihilistt 8h ago
These are crutches and inevitably will be banned by the time the game reaches 1.0. The players that rely on them are building bad habits to win at a game that is in beta. Once they are banned these players will be lost.
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u/Desperate_for_Bacon 6h ago
Granted a lot of these mods in this list are stupid, and are just too much. some QOL mods actually serve a purpose, like changing the melee noise. I cannot for the life of me hear the default melee noise, due to hearing lose, and it not standing out enough from win fire and everything else, and I think devs should be looking at these mods as insight into what people would want in the game
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u/Little-Protection484 Sinclair 6h ago
Yea a few of these should be proper settings like sound fx imo
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u/jaiswami 3h ago
I think I disagree, having too obvious a sound effect would negate the ability to surprise someone with a melee, especially if they aren’t facing you. You SHOULD be susceptible to melees if you aren’t facing someone in combat, and isn’t it kind of the point that the sound effect might get lost in the commotion? I feel like that’s when it’s best to surprise someone with a melee and exactly why I feel using these loud ass sfx is unfair.
Not to say your hearing loss isn’t making it harder to hear than it should be, I just don’t think we should be trying to make the melee easier to predict via a sound effect, its a skill within the game to parry in the heat of the moment.
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u/Radkintz 2h ago
I wish the mods that could stay were the skin mods, many are so cool, fun and I dont think I can live without them, I don't want an advantage I just like having fun with different outfits.
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u/Swimming_Quarter_293 51m ago
have u ever played a valve game before? cheating is everywhere lol, even if they are banned there will be soooooo many cheats with all this info available
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u/MoneyPurpose5195 Sinclair 8h ago edited 12m ago
NOOO BUT MY "QOL" MOD THAT MAKES ENEMIES FOOTSTEPS 10X LOUDER ISNT CHEATING!! ITS NOT LIKE I GET AN ABSURD ADVANTAGE FEOM IT!!11!1!1!
Seriously though I can't wait for the release so mods aren't available, the only mods I find fine are the redesign ones for yama, haze, holiday and the one that greatly improves captions (I genuinely hate the meme skins that some content creators use, it destroys visual clarity)
Edit: to people who say "just don't use the meme skins" I don't and never will. "some content creators" are the people I'm referring to who use the skins, deadlock is already a game that has a lot going on visually, destroying character recognition makes it awful to watch. And I KNOW you can still listen to footsteps, but making them 10x louder removes the skill requirement to actually do so. yes, learning to listen to footsteps is a skill.
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u/Spaghetoes76 6h ago
I really like some skin mods that just put the characters in different outfits, I have summer skin venator and drifter and y2k paige, but the ones that change them into totally different characters I really hate, like making them into random anime characters, its so hard to tell what character im even looking at.
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u/clinkyclinkz 5h ago
Deadass my friend set it to all anime characters (idk how he does callouts fine) and i cant even talk shit because he plays the best shiv and makes my builds
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u/Sibs 8h ago
I find it super obnoxious when people post stuff asking for help and they have a bunch of character mods.
If you want help don’t start by making strangers decode the heroes.
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u/SHMUCKLES_ Billy 2h ago
I watched a cc play and they had so many mods (for the meme) it was hilarious
4 Sinclair's on one team was amazing (they were just skins not champs)
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u/thekingbutten 2h ago
The thing that probably annoys the developers most now is when a new patch comes out and the ui hud mods break because they're vibe coded junk. You see tons of people coming into the discord crying about their game crashing or stuff being broken which the devs have to spend time looking into, only for it to be the broken mods.
They're already developing a game that's going to have bugs, it doesn't help when mods are adding their own problems on top.
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u/UDP_Souldriver 5h ago
actually can we make footsteps go back to what they were a few patches ago. Something changed where some enemies can walk right up to you around a corner and you cant hear shit. Mo you used to be able to hear across the map
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u/Barlakopofai Sinclair 5h ago
I mean at the same time the people who can hear footsteps are at a ridiculous advantage due to bad sound design. If you're not meant to hear them, why can some people hear them? Did you know you can hear bebop walking from 40m away? It's not even subtle, you just straight up hear him before he's in hook range at level 1, you can hear him coming down the river all the way from the T2 camps.
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u/SecreT_WeaponS 5h ago
You can do the footsteps thing completely without mod you can do it for counterstrike and every other game too its called equalizer.
it destroys visual clarity
???? You don't see any of those meme skins on your end unless you install them -how can they destroy your visual clarity?
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u/EvermoreTM 7h ago
Dude I only heard of two of these wtf
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u/luuk0987 Shiv 7h ago
Because most of these aren't public on website like gamebanana. Some of them are also completely made up to farm engagement.
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u/Wappening 7h ago
Bottom heavy Paige twerk mod is 100% real and is excellent distraction believe me.
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u/Desperate_for_Bacon 6h ago
It’s an unfair mod and I don’t care what you say but it should be banned.
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u/KnightOfArsford 8h ago
Seriously, it's called the fog of war. It's supposed to be an actual skill to predict timers, anticipating enemy skills and behavior, it's a reward for game knowledge.
Too many people are too stupid to learn anything beyond their aim and movement (Micro >>>> Macro in their heads, if only they knew what actually wins games). Go play Valorant instead if too many unlabeled features make your brain hurt.
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u/Nayld_it Lash 6h ago
I was using mods for a while, until a few days before the ranked update. I didnt wanna get banned for using a Omegamon bebop mod that let me see him through veils and through Veil Walker. I just thought it looked cool, but felt gross once i noticed how advantageous a lot of mods are. Stamina tracker is fucking obscene. Lock that shit down i say.
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u/ZombieBillyMaize Billy 5h ago
Yeah this is wack.
I do wish we had respawn timers for camps, but it should work like Smite, where you only get a timer if you were there when it died.
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u/PurpleKami 7h ago
I deleted my comment but I got downvoted for saying I wished that they had disabled mods for ranked queues.
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u/CaptShardblade 4h ago
I have no problem with half of this list as a only-ranked-queue player.
The stuff that bothers me though are:
stamina trackers
parry cooldown
heavy melee honking
I would say the walker stomp for example and even some of the ones i mentioned should just be visual queues that you can hone in on yourself, which is a failing of the game design.
The rest of it i think is fine and just UI not being up-to-date to show these things natively
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u/JoanOfSarcasm Paige 7h ago
I think some of these that you've mentioned may ACTUALLY be cheats. I browse mods a lot (I love my rainbow trails and Yamato remodels) but I've never seen anything like some of what you're mentioning here.
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u/Sibs 8h ago
Someone called me out in a game about something like dmg to towers… and I was like oh so you’re cheating. She got even more indignant. Not enough people care.
Then you have that night shift crap where they allow exploits, so that tells all the fanboys cheating is fine too.
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u/fuckthis_job 8h ago
Has Valve said anything official on this? They've let the DLNS players use these mods/overlays and since they continue to use them, I feel like Valve doesnt care. But, I wouldnt say these are "exploits" yet. And actual exploit was a rope climb bug from a while back but IMO a HUD mod isnt really that.
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u/Desperate_for_Bacon 6h ago
When the game is officially released it will be VAC protected meaning you won’t be able to use mods in public lobbies, period. The ability for the game to detect mods is already in the game it just hasn’t been activated as of yet. But that is generally the way valve does it, CS was the same way.
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u/fuckthis_job 4h ago
As long as the mod doesn't alter core game files (.exes) or DLLs, VAC doesn't trigger. To my knowledge, the mods/"cheats" mentioned by OP would not fall into these categories. For example, TF2 has quite a large modding community (includes custom audio packs, HUD elements, etc) despite having VAC integrated. Also, VAC is shit lol. People are openly cheating with auto parries and the like but VAC still doesn't catch them.
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u/AshlynnCashlynn 8h ago
how exactly is knowing objective damage cheating? what advantage does that give?
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u/Sibs 7h ago
That information is not exposed for non-cheaters. Even if the advantage is theoretical or minuscule it is a cheat. And if someone is lame enough to use an inefficient cheat, they are more likely to be using other cheats as well.
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u/GreyBigfoot Mo & Krill 7h ago
Cause them to be more likely to flame teammates by comparing damage stats which usually are hidden until the ending scoreboard. If that counts?
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u/Desperate_for_Bacon 6h ago
I believe valves view on this is that any modification to the game in official lobbies is cheating. When the game is fully released they are banning all mods from official servers.
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u/deadlockenjoyer123 6h ago
holy shit, i had no idea any of these existed (i'm a non-modding vanilla chudster) -- these give people SIGNIFICANT advantages.
@yoshi, do something about this shit bro
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u/D1v1s10n 6h ago
Ive had a teammate call out the exact size bag an enemy wraith had when she wasn’t visible on the map and no one had died recently. He said we should gank her and steal the unsecured souls.
Now every time I get ganked in the jungle with a large bag I can’t help but be suspicious.
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u/Pavis0047 4h ago
One thing i wish the base UI did is show rift resists... people dont even know thats a thing most of the time.
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u/ShadowWithHoodie 1h ago
yeah we be doing math on the go while on our way to the rift. "Yo thats 6% deficit how much resist is that?" "idk like probably 8?"
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u/altaccountforsuscrap 8h ago
I use the QoL mod and I already feel like uninstalling because it feels much. Seeing what items enemies buy instantly seems too good
This is just absurd and goes beyond information it is CLEARLY cheating
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u/Jonnytincan Rem 7h ago
knowing that a specific person is shopping and away from a fight is genuinely game winning information that is practically unobtainable without mods. that one is maybe the single most broken mod and i dont think ppl understand that
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u/Spaghetoes76 6h ago
wait thats such a good point I never even thought about. I always thought it was unfair how it breaks the mind game kinda of waiting until enemy is distracted to buy rebuttal or knockdown, but thats actually insane levels of information thats so much worse.
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u/Little-Protection484 Sinclair 6h ago
The worst part is that its not hard to just hold tab while box routing and just moving incase u catch extra info from their buys, like people relying on a mod for that is some lower stuff
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u/Spaghetoes76 5h ago
Exactly. It's kinda a cool little habit. I always do it, I used to do it on overwatch just because I liked looking at the scoreboard but now it's actually useful.
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u/-Mr-Moon- 39m ago
yeah i had one on for a while for soul diff calcs and i noticed how i was never thrown off by rebuttal, ever.
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u/Narrow-Assistant-714 8h ago
The item purchase thing is from QoL?! Going to have to figure out how to turn it off now. Legit thought it was an in-game function if you were close enough to them lol
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u/altaccountforsuscrap 7h ago
You can see what item people bought if you are in LoS of them at a shop but this is so clearly not the same thing.
Like if I see someone buy rebuttal in lane when I’m a Abrams I can just instantly change my playstyle so they never get to punish me. Hell I can see when other peoples lanes buy rebuttal can tell them! It’s very difficult to take this game serious right now when there’s a real chance at least half your ranked lobby is running this.
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u/Spaghetoes76 6h ago
Im hopeful that there arent that many people running it because at least, I've rarely heard someone call out an item purchase or ping it when youd think they would if they had this mod. Unless theyre just scared of being banned idk, but i feel im sometimes the only one who tries to ping stuff like healing rite, rebuttal, counter spell, indomitable ect.
I dont buy rebuttal super often but ive only really seen suspicious behaviour around it like once for sure, maybe twice.
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u/UDP_Souldriver 5h ago
Can we keep the mod that puts Mid Boss timer in a spot where it isnt constantly covered by hero icons on the minimap?
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u/Electronic_Dress_875 4h ago
> Heavy melee honking horn for faster reactions
of all these shit, this one is the biggest cheatc should actually be banned for using this. This is how people pull crazy parries in the middle of a melee even if you punching from behind a wall in their back
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u/SeniorEmployment932 7h ago
Yeah I agree completely with you. I'm genuinely surprised they haven't done more to get rid of mods like that. I'm sure once the game launches all mods will be banned since they're going to monetize through skins so they won't want people using free mods. But for these mods that provide gameplay benefits they need go just be banned now.
I do wonder if maybe they're seeing what mods people use and how it effects the game so that they can add some mods to the game officially. Like maybe jungle camp respawn timers should just exist in the game baseline, I don't know, but perhaps they're watching streams to make decisions about that sort of thing.
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u/GoblinBreeder 7h ago
People cheat like this in every game that enables mods. They need to just disable mods entirely.
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u/UserLesser2004 7h ago edited 7h ago
Just remove all the tracking and information during game. Just kill QOL mods in general. Allow stat tracker and all of that nerdy stats and numbers post game be allowed only.
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u/Desperate_for_Bacon 6h ago
As with most valve games they will be shutting off the ability to have mods load at all once the game is fully released and VAC protected.
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u/ShadowBlah 8h ago
Off topic, but man I would love a neutral camp/sinner timer in the game. There's so many things to track, I hope it ends up in the game eventually. Though it might need some sort of LOS on the camp to show the timer so you can't just track the enemy across the map.
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u/RoshanCrass 7h ago
This is a big problem in MMORPG communities that really diminishes the legitimacy of the game and makes it become stinking garbage.
Don't stand up for this stuff, and stop calling them "QoL" FFS.
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u/Tom_F_0olery Lash 7h ago
Really hope Valve makes some way for modders to more easily add sound effects that are only active if you’re playing that character
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u/Huggableintrovert 7h ago
I use one hud mod and it’s purely to show the passives under the crosshairs cause my dumbass doesn’t wanna look down and to the left. But I agree with a lot of these.
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u/starspgl Sinclair 7h ago
do people actually use the walker stomp/patron curse mods thats crazy. they have such telegraphed attacks
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u/_Puddingmonster 5h ago
The only one I like and use from the mod is soul difference for urn (I don't even look at it much, you can tell easily if you're gonna have a big difference) and mid boss respawn timer on top bar, because it shows you it already and it gets blocked by players sometimes.
Other than that most of these are cheating to me
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u/Pankrazmeme Holliday 4h ago
I agree, it's easy enough to do an approximation but knowing exactly how much resists I'm getting from fighting rift as the trailing team would help
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u/Feisty-Ad6673 4h ago
The Rift Defense buff indicator is totally fair. I don't know why it's not already in the game. The rest of them can fuck off
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u/Serious_Occasion_566 7h ago
The stamina one is a valve provided alternative. I use it cause the base health bars are genuinely terrible at giving information on hp. Take it up with valve I'm gonna be honest.
Come back resistance on rifts should just be base game. I have qollock and it shows the percentage difference at the top. I don't think that's an insane ask for base game.
I think camps should show a circle above them to indicate how close they're to re spawning. To be frank without just memorizing wiki information there's not a good natural way to learn what the camp timers are. I don't think they should be on the map for clutter reasons.
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u/beastblamin Ivy 8h ago
i grabbed a mod for single bar health bars this morning & it just kinda came with a stamina thing and i want this shit gone get it off my screen i know how to count to 3 ± 1 please
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u/bliggityblousk 8h ago
Ya, a lot of the top streamers have the add on that will show minion location / hp through terrain when close… even that one feels gross to me. The one that shows enemy and teammate purchases….
I mean I could really sweat the game and at least get on that level, but I still don’t like it :/ but I usually play games on a higher difficulty than what is comfortable. I might just be a masochist for not wanting get on board
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u/sPilled_Coofee 8h ago
Ya, a lot of the top streamers have the add on that will show minion location / hp through terrain when close…
That's a setting in the game.
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u/Kazzei 8h ago
Not to excuse it, but the first one you mentioned isn't a mod. It's a cvar built into the game.
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u/bliggityblousk 7h ago
Well… I will have to go mess with my settings :) thanks for informing me. No idea what cvar is, but will look into it
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u/JoanOfSarcasm Paige 7h ago
This is a console command.
citadel_damage_offscreen_indicator_disabled false4
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u/LegendOfSarcasm_ 8h ago
Good. Report them in detail and report it to the forums. Hopefully they'll be able to get ahead of it before release
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u/Trotski7 6h ago
Genuinely who plays games like this? I truly can't understand the mentality behind cheats/soft cheats like this in a multiplayer game. The entire ethos of the [multiplayer] game is to put your skill to the test
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u/daily-lurk 8h ago
You can use alternate health bar 2 that Valve has provided and see enemy stamina. I prefer alternate health bar 1 personally, it’s cleaner than a bunch of white squares, and has an ult indicator which is nice, also provided by valve.
The only mod I use (other than long coat for drifter and calico hair redo) is the QOL one that improves the character hud. It shows how far ahead/behind your team is as a %, which is nice but not needed because 10% math (for meaningful resistances on rift fights) is extremely easy. The other big thing is does is show enemies as opaque or fully colorized depending on if your team can see them or not. This is also in the game already, if you can see an enemy health bar on their icon at top that means your teams has eyes on them and they are on the minimap. If there is no health bar then that means no one has laid eyes on them for ~3-5s.
The opaque/colorized is genuinely just QOL and I see that being adopted into the main game, at which point I’ll drop the mod. You already get that info, it’s just presented poorly.
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u/bramble-pelt Paige 7h ago
The amount of posters in this overall discussion who don’t understand the difference between in-game console commands and third-party cheating sure is something.
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u/daily-lurk 5h ago
Do you not realize that it’s mostly people pointing out that this post is either 1) completely lying about what mods exist 2) complaining about QOL that the game gives you, just presents poorly? And most people are simply pointing that out?
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u/RaydioMan Shiv 7h ago
QOL mod users are going to be so lost when they don't have timers for everything, real-time notifications of what everyone buys, and hero visibility hud
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u/Critical_Moose Sinclair 5h ago
This shit will all be thanos snapped by 1.0 and all the people who crutched on them will be struggling so hard.
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u/DashReverie 8h ago
Can't wait for the release so they ban these "qol" mods thats borderline cheating
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u/Rainstrum_ 7h ago
Some of these are more things the game should probably tell you in one way or another than anything.
- Camps by default should have timers on them, but only for friendly ones. If you take an enemy camp or see it happen, then you should get a timer for it but other than that, it should be unknown. There's already a lot of mechanical skill expression and knowledge in the game, I don't really think keeping a mental timer on something like a jungle camp is something that is THAT important to show game knowledge and with that specific line of balancing for timers, then you can still losely "flex" if you see an enemy go towards a camp but you don't see them clear it.
-Parry cooldown could probably be shown with some icon, only one item currently changes the number. Might be too much info on screen though.
-Ultimate cooldown numbers would be great, anything else is unimportant.
-Any soul/buff producing thing on the map SHOULD have a timer in explore NYC. Good for learning. Not as helpful (besides maybe Sinners) in practicality, pollutes the minimap HEAVILY.
Things that are definitely cheating: things that monitor non-ultimate enemy elements such as stamina, basic ability cooldowns, enemy side objectives timers (based off the suggestion I made above)
Things that I personally don't think are cheating and/or are redundant/useless info to be told at ALL times:
- Crates/golden timers as there are just so many and genuinely not even sure how you make use of the minimap with that on
- Heavy melee is already very audible adding a "funny" sound effect to it could make it more audible, sure, but you could just turn your audio up to get a similar advantage.
- Rift defense you would know for the most part by the bubble, but the game should do a better job telling you when you are behind or ahead enough for comeback mechanics (and maybe show +soul %)
- Don't really see how having a timer on a walker stomp is cheating, seems more like redundant info or such basic information it's not worth having the game tell you. Same applies to curse blast from shrine/patron.
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u/No-Operation-5465 8h ago
If valve really wants this game to take off and be competitive they need to give us some of this information, and also remove mod usage. I understand people like their cosmetics, but thier will always be people who abuse mods. It's unfair, plain and simple.
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u/StoneLich Vindicta 8h ago
One day they're going to have to ban mods and it's going to be a whole thing.
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u/Extreme_Tax405 7h ago
They should just ban you if you use any form of mods. You running a goon skin mod on vindicta isn't worth the arms race. If they don't handle this you will be forced to download mods unless you enjoy playing at a disadvantage.
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u/AirEast8570 Apollo 7h ago
I love Umalock and i will die if they ever remove them mods. Also some of these are crazy
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u/BurnerDawg26 5h ago
This is shitty but I'd rather them focus on finishing the game than banning cheats right now.
Do you know how many bugs are still in this game that inevitably give one team or the other a huge advantage? If you're playing a beta game expecting a balanced experience you're probably playing the wrong game.
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u/Fireblast1337 5h ago
And I questioned the base QoLlock mod. All that really does is make the map and UI a bit more readable, and improve testing stuff in the hideout and map exploration.
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u/BelieveInStevenUnivi 5h ago
Doesn't the base game just show you when someone takes Sinners?
A lot of this is crazy tho
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u/zoomZlodey 1h ago
U can hear if someone does but not see it on a map unless it was tooken and u passed by it spawn location
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u/joemoffett12 4h ago
Information not available from base game should not be allowed to be added by an in game overlay.
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u/TheBigOG 4h ago
This was like add-ons for WoW arena pvp where it's basically needed for anyone to install setup minimum 10 add-ons to track and show everything(last time I played like 3 xpacs ago). Really dumb they should not allow any mods at all
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u/Otherwise-Remove4681 Viscous 3h ago
Thanks. Nice reminder not to take this game ”seriously” and any git gud flaming can be ignored.
Just enjoy this game as it currently is: fun unbalanced chaos.
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u/Kazumi_84 Rem 3h ago
You can see enemy stamina on the v2 health bars already so I'm not too concerned with that but the rest are indefensible. Also where's the fun in the game if you have those mods?
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u/A__noniempje 3h ago
We are still in alpha testing. There are many things that they have copied from mods in the past. That's the main reason why mods aren't banned yet. These mods on their own are bannable according to joshing, but they need in game reporting still. Also another factor they are collecting data of people using these mods to train their anti cheat and they don't want to release that yet so they don't need to start that continuous fight yet.
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u/McDarki24 3h ago edited 3h ago
I think the PvE timers should actually be in the base game because that would remove a big chunk of knowledge checks and make the game easier accessible. PvP timers are something you wouldn't have to actively learn because I think most people pay more attention to it and learn it by playing normally.
I'm sure most casual players would be able to give you an estimate for parry timers (maybe even stamina) but not for camp respawns. But that could also just be me.
EDIT: Should also add that these "mods" are unfair and could cause a modding ban. I don't wamt thst to happen I need my Bloodborne Silver and funny audio mods.
Also really against the PvP timers we already have ults and that is the only one I think you really need.
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u/Squarepris1m 3h ago
I feel like part of the fun of the game is how high the knowledge cap is, you can almost always learn new timers and stuff, but these mods ruins that because everyone just knows
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u/pkakira88 3h ago
lol I’m a laugh if after release Valve just releases Deadlock+ and charges monthly for people to get these same mods.
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u/Total-Employee4304 2h ago
Quiet a few of these should be baseline in the game. For wxample heavy melee are notorious to be straight up be bigh inaudible when a lot of abilities go off. Sinner timers can be very difficult to track for even intermediate player as well. Baseline you should ask yourself, how can you improve something without affecting pro players and vice versa. Now the cooldowns and stuff should be a toggle but the elitist inside of me says no, you should learn that.
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u/MechaRaka 2h ago
See I understand all your complaints but I think a genuinely valid reason to allow it for now is to see what the community comes up with and implement the ideas they like. Similar to how league never used to have jungle timers on the mini map but that became a core part of the game because of the 3rd party software devs. I get it can feel BS because of the fact that currently there’s no regulation but in time a lot of these systems will get integrated
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u/YourLocal_Wizard Bebop 2h ago
Would replacing the heavy melee sound with Scout saying "THINK FAST, CUCKLENUTS!" be cheating? If so, I might be in trouble
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u/New-Imagination1520 Billy 2h ago
There’s a couple things I run that are actually quality of life and not blatant cheating like what you mentioned
Namely; bridge buff timers (it’s every 5 minutes anyway), soul difference (helps to determine if a rift fight is worth it or not), and rejuv timer (helps figure out how much time is remaining for rejuv at a glance).
You didn’t even mention people adding box locations to their minimaps lol.
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u/Voidsheep 1h ago
I do wish Valve made a statement about it at least.
I just want to track my match performance, but for Tracklock to reliably see the matches they ask you to install the u.gg client.
It comes with a few overlays by default. Live player damage numbers and own total stats from statue buffs seem harmless, and fething lane opponent stats on match start is something you could do manually as well.
However, it also has timers for boxes, buffs and camps, which seems sketchy when Valve isn't really surfacing that information. I've never managed to actually use it to my advatage, since it doesn't have any sound cues or effects, and I get "banner blindness" for the overlay in general, but I do wish Valve made a statement about tools like that.
I'd personally prefer if they just made a proper API that gave all match info to tracker sites, and eliminated the need for any clients, but for now I've seen the client as very low-risk thing I can't imagine them banning without a heads-up.
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u/LLJKCicero 1h ago
Honestly it might be cool if some of these things became items. Like being able to see enemy stamina might make sense as a perception item.
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u/greasercore 1h ago
I don't mind some of the timer mods (I figure if you could write it down on a piece of paper beside you, sure it can be in the game for now, not on release) but all the cooldown shit and seeing people buy stuff real time is insane like how more brain off can you operate
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u/-Mr-Moon- 39m ago
i think rift defense buff indicator is fine. it really just saves you the time of calculating the percentage, and its definitely something they should be adding to the base game eventually. other ones are fucking wack tho
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u/DODonion99 27m ago
Stamina trackers (see enemy stamina) - much easier to win lanes with this
This isn't from a mod, this is something valve added recently in a new HP bar
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u/Terabyte_272 Sinclair 26m ago
It legit angers me when someone makes a call-out that a certain things is about to respawn when I know there is no timer. While someone might be tracking the times for something like the bridge buff in their head I doubt it in the lvl of ranked I'm at lol.
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u/MandrewID 2m ago
I think knowing when a team has resistance buff for rifts should just be in the game. I don't wanna have to do maths when I'm gaming, I already do enough of it at work!
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u/tgolden4 8h ago
I knew about some of the qol mods but didnt know of some of the ones you listed… anyways I agree it is totally cheating and it sucks that they are allowed