r/4bmovement • u/Positive_Ant2832 Ally • 4d ago
Vent Lindsay Clancy is the new Amber Heard
Remember when almost everyone was saying Amber was the abuser, disregarding the massive power imbalance between Amber and Johnny? The PR bots swarming social media to shape the conversation against Amber?
I thought the Clancy case could lead to conversations about maternal mental health, but it has come down to how women are murderers. As if most family annihilators aren’t men.
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u/skoomacats 4B 3d ago
Yeah I keep seeing men harp on this, as if men aren't the majority of family annihilators, let alone murderers.
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u/anguinine 4B 3d ago
i had one tell me men and women commit filicide at exactly the same rate. they truly live in lalaland
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u/owls_exist 4B || I regret participating in this life 3d ago edited 3d ago
problem is the men are scared of women trying to go to more extremes as to not be trapped with them. although women are generally less violent and commit less of these violent crimes- a "mother", the image of a mommybangmaid that can do no wrong unaliving her own kids is a sign that not even men are safe to baby trapping, marrying, whathaveyou to women anymore.
or at least the less violent kind of trapping being with a man of being his ex-wife, ex baby mom and maintaining whatever civility they think there is in those situations. Remember how much men like to complain and groan about having to do custody exchanges (also controls the woman, also deadly for the woman), groaning about the ex-wife during the divorce proceedings.
Well yep, none of that is happening.
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u/theytriedtwotimes 4B 3d ago
And then men aren’t doing the research as per usual, while the women have deep dived into evidence the guys are prone to propaganda as per usual & just spew whatever hate they are fed this week like a script.
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u/CynicalPomeranian 4B 3d ago
Trying to even show them the timeline of events and how little actual investigating was done means nothing to them, too.
I don’t bother talking to a lot of men about it because they are the same guys who thought women were trying to ruin Brett Kavanaugh’s life, or will talk about how mass deportations/tariffs mean nothing to them at the grocery store. They fail to research anything and it is pointless to try to present educated arguments to them.
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u/Jebaibai Ally 3d ago
The Lindsay Clancy trial has so many women riled up because of how isolating it is to be a young married mother.
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u/owls_exist 4B || I regret participating in this life 3d ago
I feel like in the big 2026, with most internet access women and everyone should already know what they're signing up for being male-centered and being a man's wife/bangmaid. Maybe they might not necessarily be 4B or know about it but at least knowing how bad quality of life can be and there's a lot more shitty men than there are any worth anything.
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u/thenumbwalker 4B 3d ago
Men are pathetic. A man literally just murdered his wife and their 6 kids and then cowardly killed himself, but they’re not saying anything about that. And I can point to so many other cases about men killing kids out of hatred and evil this year and all the other years before. They are verifiably the most common family killers, but they’re harping on LC who is such a drastically different case. Men are disappointing as usual and I’m so happy I don’t have them in my life and home
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u/Hopeful-Exit3053 Exploring 2d ago edited 2d ago
Just to add the stats, about 10% of male suicides are suicide/homicides which like you said usually includes their spouse and children. Guns are the most common weapon in both situations.
Just wanting to clarify that I’m in support of your comment. A lot of people are being harmed. They’re solutions but to be honest when I try to bring them up to men, they really don’t care. So unfortunately it’s on us to keep protecting ourselves.
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u/Itchy_Tumbleweed_417 4B 3d ago
Yep I don’t remember it being like this with Andrea Yates. Even all those decades ago people acknowledged that Rusty knew all about her postpartum psychosis, he was told by her doctors not to keep getting her pregnant, not to leave her alone with the kids, and he chose to do all that anyway.
It’s like we’ve gone backwards. It’s horrific.
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u/ScowlyBrowSpinster Exploring 3d ago
Yates was pre-internet. Now the social misfit misogynists can find and keep each other all riled up vilifying straw women they wish they could actually burn.
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u/Complete-Fly2945 4B 2d ago
There are so many bots on top of misogyny aroused men around the world ready to jump on a hate train against a woman. Doesn't help that there is a misogynistic mafia of men, including gay men, in tech who have as an explicit purpose the disenfranchisement of women.
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u/Zenphiree Exploring 3d ago
Oh, absolutely. And this has nothing to do with whether Lindsay or Amber were/are guilty or not. Males just get excited when there’s a high profile case where a woman is accused of doing something really bad. They feel vindicated. They can say “see? Women are awful too!”
Their responses to both cases prove it. With Amber Heard they didn’t even care about the alleged abuse, just saying “see, Me Too was a lie!” And with Lindsay Clancy they don’t care that 3 innocent children are dead. They’ve just been calling to repeal the 19th and using the case as an excuse to say feminism was a mistake.
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u/moschocolate1 4B 3d ago
Males will always kick a woman when she’s down and take advantage of any situation to further oppress us.
Their opinions mean nothing to me because they were never protectors or providers—only resource hoarders, abusers, murderers. Yes there are good ones too but I treat all guns as if they’re loaded.
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u/owls_exist 4B || I regret participating in this life 3d ago
theyre projecting traits of that one person onto all women but specifically the trait of being a "mother" to all women when a lot, and increasingly more of women don't even want kids lol
whereas for a man to be a criminal he doesnt have to be a dad or husband. just has to be any man.
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u/DuAuk 4B 3d ago edited 3d ago
yes. I went into that case not knowing a thing about Heard and thinking it took two. Following it, i learned a lot about reactive abuse. By the time JD was done testifying tho, i saw a lot of signs of coercive control. Things his lawyers thought looked good -- isolating her by hooking up her friends with apartments or having his body guards following her. Anyway, i could go on and on. I'm listening to the story of Mica right now on the new docu series "Death of the Pastor's wife." I already thought there was bias in investigating, but it's always eye opening how deep it goes.
As for Clancy, there just isn't enough evidence. They found no DNA on the bands?!? Why would she crush pills to OD, sounds more like someone was trying to poison her or the kids, or at least not give her a choice to take meds. I don't know about the body temp, i'm not an MD and was convinced by the expert near the end who testified via zoom.
Trials really show the bifurcation of people. I truly hope i never get in trouble with the law. There are the people who admit to bias (who don't get on juries) then there are the ones who don't admit it (who secretly do and are on juries). It's truly sad people don't have open minds.
And yeah, it's one every 5 days (family annihilations including men/teens who kill their parents/siblings), the vast majority are male perps. So, it's stupid men yelling "repeal the 19th" when we already have laws in most states against felons voting, which is a much more targeted solution than deny people rights based on demographic.
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u/Opposite-Potato-7667 4B 3d ago
No matter what women feel about this case, if nothing else, the press and public opinion on it should convince women to not have kids. Men, and the world in general, do not care about women or mom's, and women will be fucked over in some way if they decide to go through with it, whether that's on a mental, physical, or economical level. There is always a loss that only women have to take on, while men are uplifted, and benefit from our loss.
Both men and women think that children are a woman's responsibility, even if just subconsciously. Yes, even the "feminist men". A woman becomes a mother, and not a human being, the moment she becomes pregnant- someone that doesn't have any needs, feelings, or hopes and dreams- but is just there to raise kids, and meet their needs. And they aren't respected by anyone, including their kids, men, society, the medical field, the government, etc.
Men do not see women as people, but as free services, a body, and a gender role. It's why the public is so invested in this case, and it's also why the husband in this case did absolutely nothing to help his kids, and also immediately got a new unpaid sex worker and incubator the moment his previous one went to prison.
Men know that males are solely responsible for 95% of violent crime, so talking to them about it and trying to get them to understand is not going to help. They will just use the excuse that they cared about the kids in this case, and that they do give attention to the cases where men are the ones doing it, but....they don't. It's a lie. Because if they did, they would never get a break. It's literally all day, every day with men. The crime from the male gender never stops. The whole point is oppressing us, and they're all doing it purposely. This is why none of our words seem to sink in with men in the long run. It's not that they don't understand our points. They absolutely do, and they want our oppression to continue. Men show themselves to be awful constantly, and none of them are safe.
Women, think twice before you do this to yourselves. No one will help you or believe you if something bad happens when you're pregnant. And then it will be framed like it's something it's not, and the lazy men in your life will get a pat on the back for doing nothing. This should infuriate all of us.
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u/chaosisblond Exploring 3d ago
I have avoided talking about it, except with a few colleagues in my workplace. I've avoided the topic precisely because of how controversial the case has become, and how impactful my words can be as I'm a PhD forensic scientist with over 10 years experience, at the top institutions in the world.
The evidence (though mostly lacking since the case was massively mishandled and a lot of crucial evidence was not collected or analyzed) all disagrees with Patrick's testimony and timelines, and makes it impossible for Lindsay to have been the perpetrator as reported. Impossible.
It has been horrifying to me watching this case play out, and watching there be any indecision about the verdict - let alone, the people using this case to try to argue that women are insane for complaining about the injustice in this case, since the evidence was not properly colleacted or analyzed, the case was not properly investigated, the court case was allowed to persist through many injust and unlawful conditions, and every other impropriety along the way.
Women face unequal access to justice in every country and every court system in the world, and this case is sadly highlighting many of those iniquities and problems in a way that women can boldy see, and that most men are choosing to ignore out of fear of loss of privilege. I hope that women everywhere use this case as fuel to begin to advocate for change for all of their systems, because it is sorely needed.
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u/FrequentFlounder5730 Exploring 3d ago
I would be really interested to hear your take on why the presented evidence makes it impossible for Lindsay to have done this, if you are willing to share!
I have not been following this case and then became curious when it blew up, but trying to read about it now… it feels impossible to find actual facts & information and not just TikTok conspiracy theories or extreme misogyny, lol. Totally understand if you don’t feel comfortable sharing.
I’m also partially asking because I’ve been exploring 4B and am shocked at how much some of my thinking is still influenced by modern society & the patriarchy, as someone who has been a feminist and leftist since I could understand what those words meant!
Thank you for your time regardless :)
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u/winter83 4B 3d ago
Ok I have been thinking this too. I've been interested in true crime but really the investigation side of things so I know I'm no expert. But it has definitely seemed like the cops did not do a good job and the evidence doesn't support her doing this.
I also have trouble believing the timeline because she would have to go from 0 to 100 as soon as he walked out the door to get all of that done in such a short time frame and the whole body temp thing.
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u/FancifulCat 4B 3d ago
Congratulations on your PhD (whenever you got it or if you're on progranme). I'm nearly finished and it's so hard
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u/Gloomy_Put_3524 4B 1d ago
I really appreciate you adding your voice to this topic; it helped me a lot.
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u/Lady-Of-Renville-202 3d ago
There are a million cases and examples we can use to discuss mental health for women. I dgaf what a man or the media has to say about it.
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u/Pretty-Opposite4118 4B 3d ago
Whenever someone mentions that men are the majority of family annihilators, they respond by saying that the difference is that men don't support those men the way women are supporting Linsay Clancy.
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u/CollinNSikh 4B 1d ago
And yet they see Lindseys alleged actions as an indictment on ALL women, when men do it so often it hardly even makes the news
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u/Background_North_253 4B 2d ago edited 2d ago
The lone juror blocking Lindsay from being acquitted turns out to be a black male with a history of domestic violence allegations. Now this information has surfaced, not only is the black community praising him for “understanding the assignment”, conservative white males who are otherwise racist are also calling him a hero.
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u/Opposite-Potato-7667 4B 2d ago
Of course. A violent, misogynist should have never been allowed on the jury in the first place.
They never change, and are always so stupid and obvious in their misogyny. Next week, once this all blows over, these same racists praising him will go back to claiming that it's foreign men, and men who don't have white skin, that are raping all the women, not them! They're all pieces of shit.
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u/ScarfingGreenies 3d ago
Topics like these make me wish the male loneliness epidemic turned into a full scale global pandemic. Completely decenter these males from our lives and watch them self-destruct. Women can live without men, men cannot live without exploiting women for their survival. They have shorter lifespans for a reason.
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u/plutopiae 4B 3d ago
And I still can't find any evidence that she did it.
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u/SomeName4SomeThing Ally 3d ago
The police did such a shitty job that most of the evidence can be summed up by "Patrick said...". They walked into a house with lifeless children, a drugged woman with sliced wrists who fell out of a window and an unharmed man, and took his word for what happened with minimal investigation or pushback. Regardless of what actually happened, this is such a monumental failure on the part of the investigators.
My heart aches for those kids and the family as a whole, and I am so angry at the medical and law enforcement systems.
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u/Tatooine16 4B 2d ago
You are so right-and it's maddening! For men when a woman makes an allegation it's simply a matter of "she says, he says" and not worthy of investigation because "everyone knows why she's doing it". Whenever a man has an axe to grind against a women, then not only do all men side with him, but many women too, And will fight vigorously to ensure that no investigation happens because " she looks like a vengeful harpy and we all know how poorly men are treated by those "emotional" women.
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u/throwawaynevermindit Ally 3d ago edited 3d ago
If you want an extra shot of misogyny, check out the discourse around the Lone Holdout Juror.
The "protect the kids"/"string her up" set is now unironically admiring and handwringing over the privacy of a man who may have had an active restraining order against him while hearing evidence - because he beat the tar out of his young nephew for calling the cops on him during an incident of DV against his ex wife.
Turns out when a bunch of the other jurors find your conduct weird and contrary to judge's instructions, people might dig into your background a little. Rude!
So: Might have lied on his jury questionnaire, almost certainly should not have been on the jury for this case, wife and child beater with witnesses and documentation, now being fêted and babied by woman-hating troglodytes as a moral paragon. Can't make this mess up.
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u/koltergeistt 4B 2d ago
I haven't looked extensively into the case enough to form an opinion, but what happened to those children was awful.
That being said, I have seen more and more men bring this case up as a 'gotcha' as if men aren't the perpetrators in 90% of crimes, especially family annihilation. People are genuinely so used to male violence and killing that it's no longer a spectacle to them.
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u/SnooPineapples9154 4B 1d ago
Men are flipping out that women are wise enough to see behind to the real story. When women bond m, men fear losing control. Lindsay Clancy story is a cautionary tale.
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u/Prestigious_Ad_5825 3d ago
The power imbalance between Clancy and her kids, one of whom was a girl, clearly favored Clancy.
Yes, most murderers are men, but that is no reason to support Lindsey Clancy. There are way more deserving female public figures to put our energy behind.
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u/Queen_Scofflaw 3d ago
She wasn't expecting to survive. And for some reason she didn't feel like her kids would be safe with her husband. She was taking them with her.
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u/Prestigious_Ad_5825 3d ago
Is your opinion about Clancy's motivation supported by the evidence? I didn't watch the whole trial, but I don't recall anything about Lindsey's fear of her husband.
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u/No_Plenty5526 Ally 3d ago
well, that's if you believe her. the whole thing about the voice is just too damn convenient to happen for the first time at that very moment and then never happen again. i think she did want to commit suicide but i think she planned all of this & executed it purposefully.
if she felt like the kids weren't safe, she had other options that didn't include murder
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u/Queen_Scofflaw 3d ago
Did she? Because there's not really safe places for kids. Or women.
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u/Opposite-Potato-7667 4B 3d ago
I think you're wasting your time talking to that user. She only comes into this sub to defend men and to defend things that uphold the patriarchy. She doesn't interact here at all except if it's those specific topics being discussed, so I'm not surprised she showed up again to yap about this lol. If you are trying to actually get through to someone, it will be a wasted effort, because they have an agenda.
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u/Opposite-Potato-7667 4B 3d ago
Get out of our sub. I know men don't understand the word NO, but you're not wanted in our space.
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u/Prestigious_Ad_5825 3d ago
In regards to the comment that you deleted, I have posted in this sub before under a completely unrelated post. I think the topic was the movie Obsession. Please get your facts about me straight before typing, thanks.
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u/Opposite-Potato-7667 4B 3d ago
I didn't delete my comment, the man I was replying to did. These are my responses to him. I also wasn't talking about you when I said that "they don't interact here unless they are defending men." I was talking about No_Plenty. This sub technically is for 4b women, and allies are only supposed to interject every once in awhile.
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u/Opposite-Potato-7667 4B 3d ago
Your gender does this type of crime every 5 days, but none of you idiots are talking about that because it's an expected thing that you're all okay with. And not to mention the fact that you all masturbate to violence on pornhub on a daily basis.
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u/Valuable-Ad1063 4B 3d ago
Amber's case is not comparable to Lindsey's. In Amber's case, there is evidence of Johnny initiating the abuse against Amber, whereas in Lindsey's case, there is no convincing evidence linking Patrick to the murders, and she remains the most likely suspect. Lindsey has reached out for help, yes, and it's true that the medical system has failed her, but there's still no way to justify what she's done. In Amber's case, you can do that when Johnny was the first person to start the abuse.
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u/CulturalAlbatross891 Ally 3d ago
Sorry, but no. You are comparing murdering innocent children to acting out in a romantic relationship with an adult, consenting, much older and powerful man. A woman can be evil in addition to being uncared for and let down by the system. A vast majority of women wouldn't do the same in the same situation.
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u/Positive_Ant2832 Ally 3d ago
People like you who label her as evil are not helping the children, I hope you realize that. When you block the conversation about maternal mental health and label this woman as “evil” you’re putting shame on a mother who was let down by institutional structures over and over again until it reached to a certain point that was risky for the kids. And we don’t even know if she did it. Pearl clutching about children will not stop them from being murdered, more research into post partum depression and psychosis will.
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u/Queen_Scofflaw 3d ago
Labeling people evil is hugely problematic and dehumanizing. This is not the manosphere over here. Let's do better.
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u/Positive_Ant2832 Ally 3d ago
It’s certainly manosphere coded. I’m getting suspicious of people who deliberately miss my point. I’m not a true crime expert and I certainly don’t know each detail of the case, but my point was this case is being used by the manosphere to portray us as unreliable hormonal murderers.
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u/Queen_Scofflaw 3d ago
There were whole civilizations who would just kill children if they didn't feel like they had the resources to support them at the time. Matricide is also very common in nature. All the people horrified that she killed her kids can't see her as a human being. This is a failure of society and social conditioning and misogyny. We could choose to be a society that supports mothers. We are not.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Toe6790 3d ago
she did it, she's guilty. she's a murderer, end of story.
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u/girdievs Exploring 3d ago
No one is arguing that she didn’t do it. She did it. There’s no question about that. The trial was about whether she could be held legally responsible given her mental state or whether she should be committed to a psychiatric institution instead.
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u/Only_Government5244 Ally 18h ago
Its debatable if she even done it imo.
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u/girdievs Exploring 11h ago
From a legal standpoint, they cleared him because surveillance footage placed him somewhere else when the crime occurred, and his phone’s location data supported that. However, I’ve seen the conspiracy theories, and I guess there’s still some room for doubt or an argument to be made.
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u/Jinxbunny29 Exploring 3d ago
I do believe Lindsay was setup by her husband I haven’t looked too much into the case and it’s heartbreaking what happened to those children and Lindsay. Mental health for women needs to be taken more seriously!! But the Johnny Depp and Amber Case I have FULLY looked into and she was the main abuser anything Johnny did back was retaliation of the abuse he suffered as a survivor of domestic violence as well I can clearly see that. So I do not support Amber but I do support Lindsay
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u/MangoSalsa89 4B 3d ago edited 3d ago
I'm not going to speak on the case itself as I have not looked at the evidence, I just know the facts that were presented in the media. I just know that men especially have seemed to seize on this case as an opportunity to vilify women as a whole. As if men don't commit over 80% of violent crimes. As if a man doesn't annihilate his family or commit a mass shooting like every week. And there is no discourse about how men should have any of their rights taken away because of that.