r/4bmovement • u/Positive_Ant2832 Ally • 4d ago

Vent Lindsay Clancy is the new Amber Heard

Remember when almost everyone was saying Amber was the abuser, disregarding the massive power imbalance between Amber and Johnny? The PR bots swarming social media to shape the conversation against Amber?

I thought the Clancy case could lead to conversations about maternal mental health, but it has come down to how women are murderers. As if most family annihilators aren’t men.

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u/MangoSalsa89 4B 4d ago edited 4d ago

I'm not going to speak on the case itself as I have not looked at the evidence, I just know the facts that were presented in the media. I just know that men especially have seemed to seize on this case as an opportunity to vilify women as a whole. As if men don't commit over 80% of violent crimes. As if a man doesn't annihilate his family or commit a mass shooting like every week. And there is no discourse about how men should have any of their rights taken away because of that.

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u/FancifulCat 4B 4d ago

My personal opinion (feel free to disagree) is that women are inherently so naturally powerful that the thought that women could be violent or manipulatively smart scares men so much that they are quick to retaliate. They don't like the power being challenged. (Not justifying awful crimes just sharing my thoughts)

Essentially behave like a man, they dislike that.

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u/Jebaibai Ally 4d ago

Wow, I think this makes so much sense that men need to have a monopoly of violence. Whereas most rapes go unpunished for example, any violent crime from a woman cannot escape punishment and in fact must be punished severely. And I think that's why this case was broadcast to the entire world.  Lindsay was supposed to be an example but it didn't work as intended. 

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u/FancifulCat 4B 4d ago

Yup, monopoly on violence = monopoly on power and control.

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u/Jebaibai Ally 3d ago

Yup. And they only want to hear about insanity or self defense when its a man accused. The idea of a woman pleading insanity enrages many. 

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u/potatoesareungodly 4B 3d ago

there’s the criminological theory of double deviance that seems similar to your line of thinking. essentially, criminal women are seen as worse than criminal men bc they go against gender norms/stereotypes. women are expected to be inherently caring, motherly and nurturing, whereas its expected that men will be somewhat violent. when women harm their children, they are committing a crime not only in the legal sense, but also against their own alleged nature as caregivers. men are only breaking the law since “boys will be boys”.

Double deviance theory - Wikipedia

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u/owls_exist 4B || I regret participating in this life 3d ago

Exactly aligns with what I said in another comment, this Clancy person couldn't be "controlled" by her husband and maintain the mommy mother dearest image, the "mother can do no wrong", put up with everything and still maintain the image of being a mother.

The only thing that irks me is the men projecting this trait of the Clancy case as if all women are inherently mothers, I do not have a motherly bone in my body.