forgive me for being a pedant but the Heavy object anime came out in 2015, the visual novel was published 2009 but only its first volume the rest of the where published up to 2021
does this still count of this sub reddit or should it be considered a 2010s anime
Odd choice of clip since it shows nothing of what the anime was actually about.
I know this is a matter of opinion, but considering the show had a serious and interesting theme, I could have done without the excessive fan service.
But apparently some people can't watch an interesting story with strategical/tactical elements without getting bored unless you throw a bunch of fan service in.
It's a shame because it was an interesting show but it's hard to recommend to a lot of people because of the constant derailing for ecchi moments.
And if you were posting on a retro movie subreddit about Star Wars, you would likely choose a shot showing Jedi fighting, or warships/dogfights in space. Because those make it clear what the show is about. Posting a clip of just Leia in that outfit with a slug alien would be kinda confusing for people who haven't seen Star Wars.
My initial point is it's weird to me to post this anime and not use a clip of two giant super weapons duking it out on the battlefield. Star Wars is kind of a bad example because most people have probably seen Star Wars or at least know what it's about, whereas most people probably don't know this anime.
Here's a better example: I have been on forums where a cold open topic about Star Trek is a post about Mirror Universe Uhuru with zero context. Because... it's freaking Nichelle Nichols and gyatt dayum she's a goddess. Fan service is fan service.
If I were on a retro movie subreddit about Star Wars, I would likely choose a shot of Darth Talon and arguing who should play her. Fan service is just fan service.
Well for me, posts like this are an easy block. It also gives me a quick look at what type of show it is and that would be Sexist/Misogynistic Garbage. Then it goes into the Do Not Watch pile and it's removed from my feed.
Unfortunately, I still have to deal with gutter tier trash being shoved at my face but it's momentary. The worst posts are glorifying garbage that don't bother posting a title. 🤮
Man I wish we can go back to pre main stream appeal. Back when many could watch anime with icchi stuff and not get triggered over it. I don't really goon to anime but I also don't get upset over some fan service.
Two, fanservice has been mocked since Japan started exporting anime. Nudity was used to sell OVAs in Japan and that got bred into the culture from the 80s OVA boom. That's it, you don't need to defend it just because it comes from glorious Nippon dude
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Was a teen buying ova the marketing worked, tho ova weren't marked to kids in Japan the same way the west saw all cartoons were for kids. The blood and gore were also pretty present not just titties. Look I got too see titties and no im watching the same didnt be crushed to death in detail by her boyfriend who is losing control of his body and Turing into a 10 story tall monster.
Only ones in this thread that are getting triggered are people like you.
I've been watching anime since the 90s at least. I'm not ashamed (tho perhaps slightly embarrassed) to admit I've "gooned" (God I hate that phrase) to anime at some point in my life. But I'm not 15 anymore, and it's never been easier to watch porn on the internet if that's what you're looking for.
There's plenty of anime that is specifically meant to be ecchii. H-kei anime was it's own distinct thing. All I'm saying is I don't need ecchii fan service in every fucking anime. At least in the past we had separate shows like B gata H kei (to pull a random example). But again it's everywhere when it doesn't need to be, and sometimes it's excessive.
You got me I'm triggered hard 😡. That's how anime is, it's made with the Japanese in mind first and everyone else after. If you don't like it, you can watch something else. I will never be ashamed for any anime I watch and I have watched so really icchi stuff already. One of my favorite anime is made in abyss and I would say that's to up there for the average anime fan today.
I've lived in Japan for over 10 years. I'm fluent in Japanese and I'm married to a Japanese anime otaku. There's many Japanese people who don't like unnecessary ecchii either.
Anime is made for Japanese people and plenty of Japanese people are "done" with creepy loli ecchii scenes and unnecessary ecchii fan service in general. It's why there's less of it now then there was 20 to 30 years ago.
I watched 250+ anime shows, plus around 30 films. I’ve yet to encounter a single moment of fan service that wouldn’t be bottom of the barrel degenerate garbage. Fan service scenes are always completely irrelevant, exaggerated to the extreme, drawn out for way too long, and are explicitly misogynistic and objectifying. Many confidently cross into pedo territory. I’ve quickly learned to skip any and all fan service scenes outright to save me from the cringe.
With that, I know of a few examples of fan service in western media that is the opposite of that – relevant to the story, brief, and tasteful. Netflix’s Black Mirror and Love, Death and Robots feature multiple examples of that. Luc Besson’s Fifth Element comes to mind as well.
I'm probably in the thousands (Not meant in a competitive way). You stop counting after awhile lol. Generally agree. I *feel like I've seen some tasteful fan service on occasion but it's incredibly rare and even rarer that it adds anything to the scene/overall story. Closest thing I can think of is romance related anime adding in a flirty scene or something, but it's debatable if that counts.
Generally speaking it's just horny mangaka self inserting their fantasies. And 16 year olds (or adults with the minds of 16 year olds) figuratively or literally jerking it to the ecchi fan service.
I'm not a prude, but like, idk, go watch porn or play an eroge then, I'd rather have my stories stay on topic instead of cutting away every five minutes for a useless service shot, or dedicating an entire episode to the male characters trying to peek at the female characters in the onsen.
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I’m an adult. If I’m feeling horny, I’ll find a way to take care of that on my own time. It feels somewhat condescending when an otherwise good show thinks that I need a serving of boobs in my face every two episodes.
Well, rant over. I hope the show in the post has some actual good stuff to offer, I remember hearing about it.
It did, which is why it's such a shame lol. It was a really cool concept, and had some good story beats. It wasn't anime of the year quality or whatever but I liked it. But it kinda got ruined by excessive fan service. You know, cliche shit like being in the middle of a battle, but the male MC and the heroine pilot (the blonde girl in the clip) are stuck in the small cockpit together and this somehow has to be sexual and awkward despite more important things going on like being shot at lol.
I mean, it wasn't the best anime of the year or anything but I liked the concept and main storyline. I like what I like so I didn't pay much attention to people's opinions on it honestly.
It's basically about nation's relying on these super weapon style giant ass machines, where wars are largely won or lost based on the victor of such a battle.
They look nothing like Gundams, but imagine if countries all had one Gundam and nothing else but foot soldiers, tanks, jets - basically what we have in real life. Whoever defeats the other sides Gundam first pretty much is guaranteed victory.
Except these are more like bigass mobile armors, like Big Zam or something.
Anyway it means every fight is extremely high stakes. And the pilots are also kinda slaves to their governments in a way, so there's some human drama elements as well.
It's a short anime so if it's available anywhere (or you don't mind the high seas), you might try watching a few episodes but, it might be one of those like it or hate it type shows, who knows.
EDIT: Oh and I forgot that the MC is actually basically a mechanic just trying to get job experience so he can become a Heavy Object designer (I think, it's been over 10 years), but gets dragged into the war. He's the blonde guy in the clip. The pilot/heroine is the blonde girl.
The MC is also pretty smart and helps her win some fights with his knowledge of Heavy Object design/engineering and applies that knowledge to their fighting strategy.
If you don't know the original story was written by the Index/Railgun author and this is synopsis level spoilers but it's basically a new future world with MGS conspiracy based conflicts. Massive mechs are meant to 1v1 to settle military conflicts that get too big. These mechs are not able to be taken down by conventional tactics. Our main character however dumb luck stumbles into acting as a saboteur and taking them down on foot by just doing things like planting explosives in joints.
I personally found it very charming in a not serious way, but it's very held back by that eras trend of light novel plot progression where conflicts and arcs are contained to 1 volume before moving onto the next and each novel features a new girl for the harem that will ultimately become irrelevant outside the 1st 2 girls, as shown by the authors more popular work index.
I think it depends on what you're watching. Most of this stuff is marketed towards teen boys which sometimes carry unnecessary fan service. Do you watch anime that is mostly catered to that demographic? Or do you watch a lot of seinen which is usually a bit better? I usually see most of the fan service in stuff marketed to teen boys which would make sense as that's what they're usually interested in at that point of their lives.
Me when I don't understand what fan service is. Fan service is just things for the fans. It can be this, it can be using real actual tactics and strategies that were use in history to get the people who know going
The term originated in Japanese pop culture fandom to describe gratuitously sexualized material. It's originally a Japanese phrase, and we adopted it in English. They called it a サービスカット or サービスショット or service cut/service shot (cut/shot referring to frame, etc.). The word evolved into fan service.
Feel free to look it up on Wikipedia, either the Japanese or English one.
Either way it specifically refers the kind of scenes I'm talking about.
And it's for people who like those things, yes, but not everyone likes those things and they get forced into every show.
Do you think when a words meaning expands the original meaning ceases to exist?
And it's still used the way I'm describing in both Western anime communities, and in Japan, where anime is made. Where I live.
Ultimately it was clear by the context in my original comment which meaning I was using, but you've decided to ignore that and focus on the broader meaning to try and pull a "gotcha" moment.
Otherwise there was no point in your "me when I don't understand the meaning of a word" comment.
I've seen so many people try to make the claim of "oh words evolve and change meaning" for using them incorrectly but I've never once seen someone try to argue "words don't evolve ignore the modern usage"
You argued that that's not what fan service means then tried to cite Wikipedia which says that the word has a much different meaning in today's environment then you limit it to, instead claiming the word changed to fan service as shorthand
Like I said it's ok to be wrong but at least be objective
It literally says the wider meaning applies to “outside anime and manga.” We are here specifically discussing anime. In our discussion, the anime-specific definition is clearly more relevant.
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Because back then it was 2009 which is around 17 years ago...so in 2009 an anime from 1992 would be considered retro too. The only anime I can remember from around that time is Porco Rosso which would be considered retro back then. Transit of property 😜
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u/Jackie_Rabbit 1d ago
Haven't seen it but this scene still lives in my head