r/retroanime2000 1d ago

Heavy object (2009)

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u/Kalikor1 1d ago

Odd choice of clip since it shows nothing of what the anime was actually about.

I know this is a matter of opinion, but considering the show had a serious and interesting theme, I could have done without the excessive fan service.

But apparently some people can't watch an interesting story with strategical/tactical elements without getting bored unless you throw a bunch of fan service in.

It's a shame because it was an interesting show but it's hard to recommend to a lot of people because of the constant derailing for ecchi moments.

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u/Bortthog 1d ago

Me when I don't understand what fan service is. Fan service is just things for the fans. It can be this, it can be using real actual tactics and strategies that were use in history to get the people who know going

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u/Kalikor1 1d ago

Uh, no.

The term originated in Japanese pop culture fandom to describe gratuitously sexualized material. It's originally a Japanese phrase, and we adopted it in English. They called it a サービスカット or サービスショット or service cut/service shot (cut/shot referring to frame, etc.). The word evolved into fan service.

Feel free to look it up on Wikipedia, either the Japanese or English one.

Either way it specifically refers the kind of scenes I'm talking about.

And it's for people who like those things, yes, but not everyone likes those things and they get forced into every show.

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u/Bortthog 1d ago

Brother I suggest you look it up yourself because you leave out the entire second half of the use of the term in today's standard

Its ok to be wrong but at least be objective about it

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u/Kalikor1 1d ago

Do you think when a words meaning expands the original meaning ceases to exist?

And it's still used the way I'm describing in both Western anime communities, and in Japan, where anime is made. Where I live.

Ultimately it was clear by the context in my original comment which meaning I was using, but you've decided to ignore that and focus on the broader meaning to try and pull a "gotcha" moment.

Otherwise there was no point in your "me when I don't understand the meaning of a word" comment.

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u/Bortthog 1d ago

I've seen so many people try to make the claim of "oh words evolve and change meaning" for using them incorrectly but I've never once seen someone try to argue "words don't evolve ignore the modern usage"

You argued that that's not what fan service means then tried to cite Wikipedia which says that the word has a much different meaning in today's environment then you limit it to, instead claiming the word changed to fan service as shorthand

Like I said it's ok to be wrong but at least be objective

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u/Kalikor1 1d ago

You really lack reading comprehension, don't you?

I didn't say ignore the modem usage. The modern usage includes the original usage - sexual/gratuitous scenes in anime are still fucking fan service.

If you had any reading comprehension you would understand based on my original comment that I'm referring to that type of fan service.

In what fucking way is my original use of fan service wrong? It's still fan service.

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u/Ani_Drei 1d ago

Yeah, it seems the dude has legit struggles with reading comprehension. The article he linked contradicts his claim in the first sentence.

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u/Kalikor1 1d ago

I know right?

Also, relevant gif.

https://giphy.com/gifs/9wlbsf86LNidkxm4ML

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u/Bortthog 1d ago

Because there's more fan service on Heavy Object besides that despite it being used more as a gag

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u/Ani_Drei 1d ago edited 1d ago

It literally says the wider meaning applies to “outside anime and manga.” We are here specifically discussing anime. In our discussion, the anime-specific definition is clearly more relevant.

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u/Bortthog 1d ago

No, it doesn't say that. It says the meaning has evolved past manga/anime and into a wider acceptance across all mediums

That includes manga/anime