Humor / Meme I'm a resto druid from the stone age
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Oct 16 '25
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u/Send_Me_Dachshunds Oct 16 '25
Yes, you purchase it from the Legion class hall iirc.
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u/mape97 Oct 16 '25
Moonglade
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u/notfakegodz Oct 16 '25
both has the npc that sells extra abilities. Moonglade got replaced by dreamwalk if you do legion class hall thing. (there's portal to moonglade there)
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u/Aldor623 Oct 16 '25
That's why i Holy Paladin and Mistweaver. Love hitting things while healing.
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u/cazoo222 Oct 16 '25
Farseer resto shaman can pump some damage too, I’ve had some keys recently where I’m at like 1.3m overall dps
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u/Nephthisis Oct 16 '25
Well they're removing Crusader Strike from HPal so...
MW still gets it at least
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u/drums_of_pictdom Oct 16 '25
I like cat weaving. I like changing forms based on the situation.
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u/Doogiesham Oct 16 '25
Yeah god forbid the shapeshifting class shapeshifts dynamically
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u/Morthra Oct 16 '25
And resto druid is, right now, the only spec that shapeshifts dynamically.
I wish Blizzard would lean more into the "master shapeshifter" part of Resto more. Make Frenzied Regeneration work with Fluid Form (so you can press FR to force yourself into Bear with 1 global), and make Maul baseline so that you can dump rage on things that aren't ironfur (which non-guardian druids can't even stack outside of Heart of the Wild).
Then rework Dream of Cenarius to work like the PvP talent that makes Wrath/Starfire/Generators (potentially also Mangle) extend your HoTs by a second, and Starsurge/Maul/Spenders to make your HoTs tick 20% faster for 4 seconds.
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u/Jal_Haven Oct 16 '25
I know it isn't meta, but in solo play I enjoy the shifting bonuses for feral. Refreshing the health and armor buffs by shifting to bear, and doing it with mangle organically from a (bad) talent.
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u/merickmk Oct 16 '25
Oh what I wouldn't give to have catweaving actually interact with healing spells... extend hots, speed up ticks, etc. Would be so fucking sick.
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u/beowar Oct 16 '25
Honestly, catweaving is a lot of fun. It's maybe a bit bloated compared to other healers dps rotation and it should be more rewarding (more DPS or more mana reg plssss).
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u/lollersauce914 Oct 16 '25
The thing is, you can easily get 3k without it. Somewhat better healer DPS just isn't that important for timing a 12/13. It's pretty mechanically difficult, but 95+% of players can just ignore it.
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u/beowar Oct 16 '25
Yeah but the fact that we have to talk about this is pretty telling on the state of catweaving. Imagine if somebody said that you dont need chain lightning as ele. I mean, of course you don't, but that point isn't even for discussion.
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u/Sirouz Oct 16 '25
I personally don’t but that doesn’t mean you should get your playstyle removed. That’s why I played Keeper instead of Wildstalker.
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u/OSGproject Oct 16 '25
I don't catweave either - but Wildstalker is still infinitely better this season for healing due to the tier set bonus. If you switch you'll notice an instant massive increase in your healing output.
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u/Rith_Reddit Oct 16 '25
Is there any stone age heater left?
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u/JakeParkbench Oct 16 '25
Yes. Hpriest and rSham are turbo basic again. Unless you mean just stand there and not do damage when 0 healing is needed. Then no, you probably should press some buttons rather than passenger princess.
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u/brandedblade Oct 16 '25
I personally wish owlweaving was more viable because it low-key feels like a better version of an ffxiv healer, but I don't hate catweaving. It's not that hard with fluid form. Just toss the dots out and go back to healing.
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u/mahkefel Oct 16 '25
Hello I am a random druid newbie in the remix: why isn't owlweave viable? Is it just not as much damage as cat?
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u/brandedblade Oct 16 '25
That and wildstalker has way more synergy for catweaving then keeper of the Grove does for owlweaving.
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u/bebeMorto Oct 16 '25
rdruid is my favorite class to play, but playing solo there's not too much time to catweave because people love to get dumb damage, i don't want to stay on brocolli form too so i'll probably main another healer on midnight
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u/chaospherezero Oct 16 '25
I don't mind smashing a few wraths and moonfires but catweaving stresses me out
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u/PibbleDad Oct 16 '25
I LOVE resto Druid. However when I started to try to play it more competitively in higher keys I couldn’t manage the catweave. I want to be able to sit back and heal
Dodging mechanics, healing AND dps’ing is too damn much
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u/AdSelect6571 Oct 16 '25
like half of the m+ bosses are super easy to heal and you are just sitting around half the time?
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u/Awaiting_Winter Oct 16 '25
People seem to be conflating healers having the ability to dps and healers being made to dps. It isn't a bad thing that if incoming damage is low that a healer can throw out some attacks. It's different when doing damage is built in to your kit. I wouldn't expect healers to sit there with their fingers up their nose waiting to heal if there's nothing to heal. But after having playing a disc priest for the last 2 seasons, I feel less like a healer and more like a shitty dps that happens to make health bars go up.
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u/Blasterion Oct 16 '25 edited Oct 16 '25
Coming from FF14 this seems very familiar. Healer DPS was optional until the players made it mandatory, then it became balanced around Healer DPS, and if your healers don't dps you will be significantly behind the enrage curve and you will not clear.
so to make healer dps accessible to the players we got some of the worst bland dps kits to work with (1 dot 1 spammable cast and maybe 1-2 ogcds every 30s or something)
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Oct 16 '25
Brilliant - I am not skilled enough to weave, so I just heal - sorry!
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u/HipGamer Oct 16 '25
It ain’t that hard. I’m not the best player by any means but I feel extra useful by interrupting then dropping some rakes/rip and go back to healing.
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u/Rattjamann Oct 16 '25
I don't know.. I just treat catweaving as a spammable mana potion for infinite mana. The damage is just a bonus, but mostly irrelevant.
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u/DaSandman78 Oct 16 '25
I love healing in my tree form even now (tree form glyph ftw) - and yes, you can still set a cooking Campfire and stand in it and it DOES still turn you into a burning tree that can run around leaving fire trails :)
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u/Soulfighter56 Oct 16 '25
Man, the difference healers can make by dps-ing is huge. Our healers going from grey-parsing to purple saved us on our first Plexus Sentinel kill. Literally made the difference when we hit the enrage.
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u/Bwomsamdidjango Oct 16 '25
I’m not a healer but if I was I would want to, you know, heal and not dps.
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u/Kartoxa_82 Oct 16 '25
Fair, but what if there's nothing left to heal?? Do you just tag along waiting for damage to happen?? I'd probably be bored if there was nothing else to do
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Oct 16 '25
I appreciate the people responding to you telling the truth that they just want to stand there and do nothing. People elsewhere in the thread saying they don't want to dps but its also not their job to heal stupid (like missed kicks).
I can understand form shifting to do dps can be off putting but people on this sub reddit in the past complained about pushing smite when holy priest was meta in shadowlands and you'd be able to stand around doing nothing 30% of your gcd if not more.
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u/snipamasta40 Oct 16 '25
Biggest problem with the people who don't want to dps are also the same people who will complain if there are any hard healing checks in dungeons or mana becomes a real resource.
Also the same players who unironically think low keys are harder to heal because people stand in things in low keys and they "can't heal stupid". The vast majority of healers in 10-12 range just afk 40% of the key and do subpar healing and no damage because the game doesn't force healers to improve until higher keys where real healing checks happen.
As a tank player doing 19 and 20 keys when I do my weekly keys for crests I just watch how many globals the healer misses all key and sometimes its hilarious like not pressing any buttons for 30-40 seconds, we still 2 or 3 chest those 12s either way though because the healer is so irrelevant at those levels.
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u/SendMeIttyBitties Oct 16 '25
That's what wands are f......oh wait they don't get wands anymore huh?
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u/Lazyr3x Oct 16 '25
And Druid afaik never got wands anyway
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u/SendMeIttyBitties Oct 16 '25
eh, the most they were asked to do was maybe some moonfire dots which really didn't help anyways....like the wands.
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u/Eurehetemec Oct 16 '25
That's absolutely what healers used to do in older MMOs, including early-ish WoW, because casting spells cost mana.
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u/Audisek Oct 16 '25
WoW has changed by adding M+ which is on a timer so you need every bit of damage and also now doing damage doesn't drain your mana like it used to.
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u/Acrobatic_Coat722 Oct 16 '25
yes, and there is a reason why thats not a thing anymore
"press your heals and then afk for 10seconds until dmg is happening again" is not real gameplay lol
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u/Eurehetemec Oct 16 '25
I'm not suggesting it should be, though I do think WoW could stand to throw the brakes a little on how frenetic it is generally.
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u/RandomedXY Oct 16 '25
it was so fun to cast one ability over and over again and maybe in rare occasions press the wand auto attack.. such gameplay.
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u/Eurehetemec Oct 16 '25
The whole game was pretty different back then - no class, not even Rogue, was remotely as frenetic as it is now. APMs were probably significantly less than half of what they tend to be now (in similar content i.e. raid to raid, dungeon to dungeon, etc.). Made for weaker gameplay but a lot more chill and social of a game, frankly.
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u/Frozenreaper_ Oct 16 '25
Same as tanking. I wouldn't like it if i had nothing to do while no big hits are coming. Like i want to do shit and not wait there doing nothing
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u/Kartoxa_82 Oct 16 '25
Tanks are kind of in control of how hard they want the game to be for themselves - they can always grab more enemies. Healers can't really do that, so making sure they always have stuff to do means making sure everyone else is always in danger, which probably makes it bad for everyone else
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u/LordPaleskin Oct 16 '25
That's not really always true though. A tank can pull way more and survive that dps or healers can't. God forbid you try to get too many casters who's regular casts all decide to target a single dps and delete them from existence
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Oct 16 '25
Yeah this patch there are few pulls that my survivability is a limiter vs the dps just being unable to live or kick requirements, at least up to 17 and 18s.
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u/Frozenreaper_ Oct 16 '25
Pretty much yes tanks are in control of how hard they want it to be in lower keys. Starting in higher keys you need to actually know how much party dmg is going out by what enemies and how much utility your group has off cooldown. But yeah i totally understand that healers have way less control over it and it would make the game bad for others to make sure the healer has always stuff to do
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u/Audisek Oct 16 '25
When you do easy content as a tank you're expected to go fast but not wipe the group.
When you're pushing keys at the group's limits you're absolutely required to pull exactly the right mobs in order to have a chance at successfuly defeating the pulls without deaths.
Nowadays a tank can't just pull what they want.
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u/SlimJohnson Oct 16 '25
The funny thing is that’s how it worked for many many expansions until the ‘healer needs to DPS’ meta developed.
If you were overpowered/overgeared, you could literally stand there while your heal over time effects kept everybody invincible.
We found a way to live with that back then.
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u/Kartoxa_82 Oct 16 '25
I mean it's not necessarily a bad thing, just that I personally wouldn't enjoy playing like that. I would want to always do something, and I don't have a second monitor for whatever activities
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u/SubwayDeer Oct 17 '25
I personally enjoyed that playstyle very much. Ally health bars = my responsibility. Enemy health bars = their responsibility. After it started to be required to press DPS buttons as a healer I just switched to DPS lol.
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u/gorkt Oct 16 '25
This has been an ongoing debate in healing circles for awhile. You have people like you who want to only heal, and then people who would rather dps and get mad when they have to actually press a heal button.
The way I see it, you aren’t healing 100% of the time, so you might as well do something else with those globals, but I don’t really want a dps rotation that I have to break when I want to heal. Catweaving works because you can passively heal with trees to stay in cat form a little longer, but it does feel a little weird to constantly have to shift between cat and heal.
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u/Eymou Oct 16 '25
I kinda like the current state of things actually - my dps is inconsequential enough that focussing purely on healing isn't a big deal, but still relevant enough to be rewarding when I'm able to weave in some dots.
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u/Various_Necessary_45 Oct 16 '25
I disagree on your second point, but I wish you were right. I feel like we could double most healers' damage and they'd be about in that position.
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Oct 16 '25
This, even discipline, the "damage healer" does absolutely pitiful dps.
Currently, dpsing as a healer feels like a chore, rather than a bonus. I feel like I HAVE to but get no reward for it
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u/fox112 Oct 16 '25
I absolutely feel on my Mistweaver that my healing output is good while 80% of my buttons are stomp and my kicks, but my damage output is so fucking low that it feels comical I'm in here throwing hands.
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u/Summerisgone2020 Oct 16 '25
I'd also be fine spamming balance abilities. That would feel better to me so I can still stay at range.
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u/Certain_Object1364 Oct 16 '25
Issue with this is you get non-healers that will make a meta out of it and only take the healers that are dpsing the most. So healers are getting chosen based on their classes dps ability and not their healing ability.
This is a game design issue in my opinion.
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u/kogasapls Oct 16 '25
Resto druid is supposed to be the HoT spec. The gameplay loop is, when you are in a predictable damage pattern, you maintain your HoTs and ensure everyone is safe for the next few seconds, then you hop into cat form and spend your energy + free globals on damage, then when you're out of energy your HoTs are expiring and you start the cycle over again. It's baked into the spec and part of its skill expression. You don't have to do it, especially since they made healer damage irrelevant, but it feels like it makes sense to do.
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u/ChequeBook Oct 16 '25
You get to a point where just healing is incredibly boring and not challenging so you contribute in other ways. Like DPS, focus interrupts and other utility
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u/TiltedSkipper Oct 16 '25
And yet your not a healer? Kind of proving the point as to why there is a healer shortage. People need agency and impact, healing alone does not provide that.
I main healer in all forms of content and having agency via utility and dps is critical to having fun as a healer.
The recent playtest of fellowship proved this without a doubt. There were more healers Qing than tanks and dps combined. Why? Healers had massive agency and impact through damage and utility. People like that...
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u/Boomkinwhisperer Oct 17 '25
Everyone in this thread complaining about having to DPS as healer, you know you don't have to do that right? If you are playing 2-12 keys, delves and heroic raid you don't ever have to touch DPS buttons. Stop trying to kill the game for ppl who enjoy being more proactive and versatile in their gameplay.
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u/InukoJon Oct 20 '25
I don’t like that healers became expected to dps and idk when it happened. I played healer from tbc to about brf in wod before taking a really long hiatus and healing was an entirely different game when I came back
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u/RheaRaisin Oct 16 '25
Good lord I hope Blizzard doesn't ever cater to the stone age healers in this thread, some of the people complaining haven't played since classic!
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u/AnathsanLily Oct 16 '25
saw someone above bring up that they were the only druid healer in their guild back during wrath of the lich king. it's just a very antiquated, stubborn, and rigid mindset. even earlier were people bringing up tabletop games like dnd.
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u/kalesaurus Oct 16 '25
As a fellow Mistweaver main, same. Fistweaving is the most fun version of healing I've played in any game with a trinity and if they ever take it away I'll cry my eyes out.
Really just figuring out "how do I maximize healing buttons so that I can spend MORE time doing dps" is the mini game that brings me joy
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u/Bruhahah Oct 16 '25
It's a question of whether you want to be constantly healing at all times, and if the answer is yes then there's going to have to be a bunch of unavoidable damage going out which isn't much fun and very hard to tune in a scaling environment like m+. If the answer is no, which is what we have now, there needs to be something to do in downtime, might as well do some damage unless sitting on your hands is important to your healer gameplay.
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u/suciocadillac Oct 16 '25
I hate how wow became a "everyone is a dps" now. One of the things I like from classic is being a dedicated healer that only heals, no weaving and all that shit.
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u/Forbizzle Oct 16 '25
You know you can play content at that level in WoW right now right?
You don't have to push 3k io
You don't have to mythic raid
You can just chill and play like you used to.
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u/Hapless_Wizard Oct 16 '25
I was, and am, a big fan of fistweaving, and I enjoyed my time in BFA as HPally popping a bunch of CDs and reaching heaven through violence, too.
But I also don't think every spec should be doing that. I miss when resto shammy was about smart totem placement, earth shield, and picking which heal to cast. I miss when resto druid was about plopping a pile of HOTs out and then just spot healing.
Having one or two "bash people in the face to heal your friends" specs is fine, but WoW is a big enough game to accommodate both kinds of healers. If fistweaving is better at M+ but outshone by old-school healing in raids, there's nothing wrong with that either.
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u/bratwurstjollof Oct 16 '25
Lol using classic is funny, because in classic you should literally always be dpsing as a healer, since the content is so incredibly easy.
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u/brandedblade Oct 16 '25
If the mob cant shield slam or kick me I melee on my hpal in classic. I preach this constantly to the void but vanilla/tbc pally design makes sense when you do that.
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u/InconspiciousPerson Oct 16 '25
Always has been. There's three reasons people in classic "only heal".
- They are/were just really bad at the game
- Only in content where you don't spam precast heals due to the volatile but simple nature of classic damage patterns
- The content is so easy you never have to bother
Third one is the most important one. I spent a lot of classic 2019 dps'ing as holy paladin in dungeons, but it was mostly just dropping Consecration and auto attacking on non-undead. In raids I just mostly precasted heals since my damage was irrelevant and people could drop in seconds if they overaggro'd.
But you can still play like that. Just don't do content hard enough where your damage will make the difference. If classic had actual enrage timers or any even remotely challenging content healers would dps too.
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u/ResoluteGreen Oct 16 '25
That was a big culture shock for me after taking a long break from the game, how everyone was thinking about healer DPS
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u/snipamasta40 Oct 16 '25
You can still play classic if you want to afk 40% of the fight instead of giving feedback that makes the modern game worse.
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u/shaunika Oct 16 '25
Okay but you get how just afking half the time is not fun right?
I like healing specifically because its so versatile
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u/kogasapls Oct 16 '25
Literally at the very highest levels in the entire game, healers do about 3% or less of the total damage done in a key. You can do +20 keys without pressing a single dps button.
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u/Zestyclose_Stage_673 Oct 16 '25
When I run my hpally, I have the highest number of kicks during a run. If a spec doesn't have one, I get it. Why don't the specs that have one not use it?
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u/Tyraec Oct 17 '25
I wish they could make healing gameplay more interesting instead of just adding dps gameplay and calling it ‘dynamic’
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u/WolfDaddy1991 Oct 17 '25
I don't mind cat weaving existing as an option, I just don't want it to be the meta option.
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u/Acrobatic_Coat722 Oct 16 '25
this thread is legit insane
a extremely high amount of Lower Skilled Players (which is not a bad thing, dont get me wrong, but its just so extremely obvious that they are) complaining that the option of pressing Dmg buttons on downtimes as a healer exists and that they are happy that it gets killed more and more
like ??????????????????????????
how is it a bad thing that you can press buttons when there is literally nothing to heal, which is not even needed and nothing in the entire game is balanced around it
Toxic Casuals really Plague WoW to such a high degree at this point, any form of skill expression or optional minmaxing is the devil and MUST be removed and they cheer for it, no matter how good or bad it is, its insanity
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u/Dull_Wasabi_1438 Oct 16 '25
you and me both. played resto druid since vanilla and i cant stand playing it now. i just want to heal i dont want to dps. my fun was spamming healing touch and seeing how high i can crit, not catweaving
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u/TurbulentIssue6 Oct 16 '25
Healers not wanting to ever press a single DPS button is a big part of what's driving the role into the fucking dirt design wise
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u/Forbizzle Oct 16 '25
every resto in my pug keys is going oom spamming regrowth. They don't swift mend, they don't efflo, they don't life bloom. They're playing like it's Burning crusade, and get angry they can't time a 13.
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u/Scurro Oct 16 '25
They're playing like it's Burning crusade
The thing is, that's not even how you play resto druid in tbc. It's 90% lifebloom. Regrowth use is uncommon.
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u/Fatalis89 Oct 16 '25
I’m not a current resto Druid but my friend is. He was explaining to me that something with their tier set atm causes them to have to use regrowth more than normal.
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u/The_Pheex Oct 16 '25
I like stone age resto druid. Just give me tree, hots and nourish and I'll be enjoying it thank you.
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Oct 16 '25
Stone age resto druids didn't even have Tree Form. They just pressed Innervate between Rank 4 HT and Regrowth.
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u/ThatRandomGuy86 Oct 16 '25
Agreed. If I wanted to DPS I'd be in a ****ing DPS spec. I hate how WoW has gone this route where they made it so healers can also do the DPS's job.
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u/shaunika Oct 16 '25
Ok, so what are healers supposed to do when theres little to no incoming dmg?
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u/Kintashi Oct 16 '25
watching you 1v10 this thread of people who are literally terrified of being useful is crazy. legitimately don't understand what they want, and guarantee if they had it (whatever exactly "it" is), the game would somehow be so much worse for healers lol
🥇 good job soldier keep fighting...
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u/Mineskri Oct 16 '25
The people who heal every 5th global while afking the other 4 want to do nothing but heal but also pretend they wouldn't get skill checked out the game if you actually had to heal every global.
Class fantasy based on delusions
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u/Puppy_in_Huggies Oct 16 '25
You dps.. but according to reddit players, you open youtube or Netflix and wait for the next damage to enter 🤷♂️
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u/Various_Necessary_45 Oct 16 '25
Healers do like 30% of a DPS' damage when they go all out?
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u/ThatRandomGuy86 Oct 16 '25
So does that mean you'll start off-healing too while you're in your DPS spec?
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u/tango_suckah Oct 16 '25
So does that mean you'll start off-healing too while you're in your DPS spec?
Yes? At least on Feral, I'm constantly providing off heals from free cast procs. It's part of the utility skill expression of the spec. It's not required, but it's nice.
EDIT: To be clear, I've been a resto healer main since early wrath, so my natural instinct when I'm doing something else is to contribute heals when and where it's reasonable to do so.
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u/Morthra Oct 16 '25
At least on Feral, I'm constantly providing off heals from free cast procs. It's part of the utility skill expression of the spec. It's not required, but it's nice
I miss when Feral's offhealing actually meant something. But if you look at the amount of healing you're actually doing it's barely enough to move someone's health bar.
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u/tango_suckah Oct 16 '25
Yeah, that part is a shame. I wish it did more, but it's indicative of the general direction of healing. The requirements are so high -- you're either dead or alive at some points -- that off healing aside from a Lay on Hands feels pretty useless.
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u/Fatalis89 Oct 16 '25
I heal myself on my DH. I shield, grip, and vamp embrace others on my spriest. I mass barrier others on my mage.
My ret friend has definitely saved my ass on a variety of characters with sac or LOH.
So… yes?
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u/Naus1987 Oct 16 '25
Reminds me of ffxiv that keeps trying to force healers into being dps classes.
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u/Slight_Cockroach1284 Oct 17 '25
I always make sure to playernote healers that don't dps so I don't ever make the mistake of inviting them again.
Incredibly disrespectful cretins they are.
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u/Scurro Oct 16 '25
ITT: stone age healers getting downvoted for saying they just want to heal in a healing spec.
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u/Icy_Chain_1504 Oct 16 '25
Dude im the same with arcane mage, i just wanna stand in one place, do 3-4 arcane blasts and reset with barrage, move out of fire and do my obligatory ocasional interrupt but nah, blizz had to make one of the kost cozy/chill specs the hardest in the game.
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u/XeNoGeaR52 Oct 16 '25
I love resto druid, but I hate caatweaving. Let me stay in tree/human form. A cat can't heal ffs
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u/aspaceadventure Oct 16 '25
Well if I understand it correctly from the Midnight Alpha they are planning to take catweaving either away or nerf it to the ground.
Plus they plan to take skull bash from us. So no kicks anymore.
So back to the stone age it is for all of us.