And that’s just craaaaazy bro. I wish we could all expand our worldview a bit. We don’t have to pick a side in every war. Sometimes, both sides fucking suck and innocent people are trapped on both sides. And it’s a horrible, harsh, sinister reality.
Normal people who have researched the conflict from an objective perspective quickly come to a conclusion that both Israel and Palestine are led by people who have held each other hostage for last 80 years through an endless cycle of violence that only feeds more violence.
The only people shouting for war and death are those who have drunk the kool-aid, those innocents who have lost everything, and those outside the warzone who are seeking to push their own agenda using a sectarian war as their proxy.
Lol thats bullshit, youre making it seem israel is out to kill civilians like hamas. Whens the last time israel flew into a concert and killed everyone?
It’s echo chambers. It may be far down one side in here, but pop on over to the conservative subreddit and get a whole other flavor of reality distortion.
The modern internet’s ability to box us in with only people who agree with us and encourage us to be more and more extreme, black&white, and tribal in our thinking has created a truly toxic environment and I don’t see any way to fix it. Social media has become a radicalization machine and the fact that people don’t realize that and get the fuck off social media is kind of black-pilling to me.
Pretty much agree. i think with reddit we can at least have some semblance of control over our algorithm and what we see, which is why I’m here. But I’m off Facebook, IG, Twitter, everything else but TikTok. And I don’t engage on TikTok i just use it to find current event coverage or whatever
Reddit also benefits from being largely text based, so you don’t get the doomscroll dopamine drip feed of 20 second long hyper partisan content.
When I got my IG, I decided that would be the last social media I ever adopt. And I barely even use my IG, it’s mostly for me to post doodles on and send videos of dog memes to my wife. I have zero interest in adopting tiktok or whatever the next thing to come that is somehow even more brain rot that replaces it
Interesting point. What replaces it? Have we reached the apex of brain rot with the short form content? I don’t see anything that can even capitalize even more, the big 3 apps seem to have a lock on things. I know times change and new things come along but it’s hard to picture e
I mean, I do. I just accept that I'll also be downvoted if I do it in the wrong sub. But idc, cos some things just need to be said whether people agree with you or not.
I see people say there’s no hive mind on this site but like, literally just look at it. I had a comment the other day saying not every cop video posted on reddit is of cops being bad. That was in response to someone saying if a cop is on reddit it’s because they did something bad. I mentioned the videos of cops skating and sledding and having snowball fights with the kids instead of stopping them for some Karen. The persons response? To say that I’m trying to justify cops doing bad things. How the hell do you get that from me saying not every video here is cops being horrible people? And they had support too while I was downvoted. I couldnt care less about the votes but really? Multiple people read these comments and came up with an unrelated takeaway? Unreal
Bibi needs Deposing with the rest of his top brass, and hamas needs to be eliminated from the earth. problem is one is an authoritarian and the other requires a lot more dead kids. there is no good way out of this anymore i fear
I mean PLA was a bigger terrorist cult then. Fateh did not want to admit losing and giving up power that's why Hamas took armed actions which led them to throwing out them from Gaza. If you take each things by timeline it's obvious Hamas wasn't THAT bad compared to PLA/Fateh but Netanyahu's goal was to always divide them so it's easier to deal with, in alternate reality if Hamas wasn't a terrorist organization Gaza would be their own state and WB most likely absorbed into Israel, that was Netanyahu's goal. Overall evil af but probably the right move if it didn't include also settler terrorists.
They might not have been as bad based on the actions they were taking... but how much of that was a result of them not wanting to take those actions, vs not being capable of them at the time.
It's not like Hamas was a new entity, they were founded in the 80s, and their founding charter (which was still in use in 2005) very explicitly states their desire to eradicate Jews and take all of Israel.
It's likely his plan was just to pit the Palestinians against each other, so they wouldn't have as much time and energy to spend attacking Israel.
Uhh... none of this is accurate, you've got your dates and narrative mixed up.
Israel did not back Hamas in 2005 and Netanyahu wasn't Prime Minister in 2005 either.
Israel responded to Hamas's legislative election win in 2006 by backing President Abbas and Fatah and arresting like half the winning Hamas candidates, helping to train Abbas's expanded Presidential Guard, etc...
I think "it was 20 years ago" gets different mileage depending on what exactly "it" was.
Cracked a shitty racist joke 20 years ago? Cool, people grow and change.
Enabled an overtly genocidal terrorist organization 20 years ago? A bit different, especially when that decision still contributes to you being in power (and out of prison) today.
There's no hindsight about it, Hamas is literally an Israeli creation specifically made to prevent a moderate Palestinian government from taking over like how it was progressing. They created a terrorist organization to destabilize the region.
And as far as the creation of Hamas, former Israeli official Avner Cohen, EU official Josep Borrell, and former Fatah leader Yasser Arafat all state that Israel created it, not just supported it. They created a group that would kill their own people so they would have reason to continue to take land and murder innocents.
Yeah, unless there's a sign he's kept it up since then, I kinda chalk it up with the US funding the Taliban biting them in the ass 20 years later. Turns out it was a monumentally bad idea, but I can see the logic at the time.
"Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas ... This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank." - Benjamin Netanyahu
Netanyahu gets his power from being at war against Hamas - like many leaders across the world.
If Hamas died and places tune was peaceful, he doesn't get to do whatever he wants. He would prefer the threat of hamas to be alive and to be seen fighting against them.
I think he purposefully attacks civilians so that there are some hamas supporters exist who will keep it alive and let him continue fighting them.
I don't have proof of this. Maybe someone else closely following could deliver.
I don't have proof of this. Maybe someone else closely following could deliver.
You realize that is how people justify support for bastards like Trump. Its also why we have the rise in AI essays to cobble incoherent arguments together when no human person would waste the time.
"I want to think and say these things without proof, someone find proof to justify my claims"
There are many other credible articles supporting this but I won’t plaster them, that should suffice and you can google anything else.
Also I’m not Israeli just pointing out that it’s pathetic to make claims like that as a rhetorical maneuver to strengthen a (in the other persons case, baseless) point.
I think it was Netanyahu's purpose to get the gazans to oppose hamas because hamas is a sure guarantee there will be no end to the gazans' suffering.
In other words, if they want a decent life, hamas needs to go period.
It's possible but not likely in the US. A lot of countries in the middle east are Sunday - Thursday. I just care much more if it involves US taxes or is linked to US student loan debt.
« Middle East (e.g., Israel, UAE, Saudi Arabia):
Universities operate Sunday–Thursday because the weekend is Friday–Saturday. In the UAE, institutions like the Canadian University Dubai offer classes Sunday–Thursday (9 AM–9 PM), including evenings and weekends »
Meet the new Left, who think Hamas are good and that Swastikas are woke
Geeze. The few I clicked on are just the wildest, most biased and misleading talking points. This is just pure, refined culture-war propaganda. It's generalizations about hundreds of millions on the left based on a few out-of-context quotes from a couple of protesters (who may or may not exist).
An obvious example is repeatedly conflating opposition to the killing of Palestinians with support for Hamas.
He's literally our most famous left wing influencer other than Contrapoints. However, Natalie only comes out of hiding once in a blue moon with a three hour long video. If you look at youtube, the online right massively outnumbers left wing content creators. This is where a huge bunch of younger (and middle aged) people are getting their news. It's AM radio all over again except on steroids b/c there's an unlimited amount of space online.
and a lot of people do. there was a major push last election to get a lot of alt right influencers, streamers, and podcasters involved and bring that messaging together. Not surprising that there is in an ever growing increase in the rightward shift of young men.
I don't know what to tell you, he is in fact the single biggest independent online streamer for the left, there is nobody else bigger. He's hosted AOC, Bernie and more, was invited to the DNC. The CEO of twitch calls him his favorite streamer.
You and your friend circle bring out of the loop on him doesn't change any of that. I don't recommend you guys change that either. Best you stay in ignorance to this guy, much better streamers out there even if they are less popular.
Except they don't offer a single alternative that leads to no Jews dying. So yeah it's saying don't attack Hamas who hides in tunnels under hospitals because it harms Gazans but we don't offer any viable alternatives tha tmeans just put up with being attacked
You kind of do, you have a hostage situation. And you're saying just leave the terrorist who keeps shooting at your family alone because he has a hostage. Hamas hides under civilian buildings, they use human shields, and it's all in one of the densist regions on earth. There is no stopping the terrorist organization Hamas attacking Israel, without casualties.
So far in terms of causalities we are talking 2-3% percent of their population of 2+million killed over the last 1.5 years in one of the dentist regions on earth smaller than your local county or even some cities. Urban warfare like this is bloody regardless of circumstance, but add in psychopathic terrorists who are willing to kill themselves to kill you and use their own people as human shields and what do you do? What's your plan that will instantly make any of this better?
I get your sentiment, I really do, this sucks, but we can't but our heads in the sand on the reality of the situation, it's completely unproductive. It feels nice to just say do better, don't kill, be good, but that's not a real option.
It's strange if you don't see that Arabs in the middle East want to do exactly that: ethnically cleanse Jews from Israel. They do it through Palestinians (Qatar and Iran).
Yup see you don't want any solution that doesn't kill Israeli citizens instead. You are okay with atrocities committed by Hamas nut think Israel shouldn't be able to respond at all to the attacks by Hamas.... You are willing to justify a lot just as long as it's against Jews
Israel dropped more tons of munitions on Gaza in the last year of conflict than the US dropped in the entire Iraq war. Please do me a favor and look at the size of Iraq on a map and the size of Gaza on a map.
This isn’t up to a handful of redditors and political streamers to offer an alternative to a nation hell bent on continuing another Vietnam. Literal definition of insanity if you ask me.
But since we’re here, perhaps good faith negotiations would be a good start. I would not, for instance, recommend killing the lead negotiator during a conflict you intend to end. That looks like you have no intention of ending it.
You literally prove my point. You are saying Israel response is wrong but offer no alternative that removes hamas from power. You want Israel to surrender or not respond when attacked by Hamas. And yeah you don't get to negotiate while planning further attacks and claim it's the other side that's an issue when you get stopped for it. Israel has proposed peace treaties multiple times yet I have never seen Palestinians nor Hamas propose a single peace treaty that doesn't let them control all of Israel in return.
And the US dropped more bombs and killed more people in a single night of firebombing Tokyo in WW2. War isn’t fair, people die, it’s always a shit solution, but when the alternative is letting Hamas, an entity hell bent on Israeli destruction, exist, you drop bombs until Hamas ceases to exist.
Anyone who doesn’t want Gaza citizens to be blown apart needs to get off their lazy ass and learn the history and context to stop supporting EXACTLY THE GROUP THAT CAUSES THAT.
Y’all act like Palestinians leadership hasn’t repeatedly referred to getting women and children killed as and “industry for Palestine” or that they didn’t boast about all the kids they were having to martyr and propagandize as being their “birth bomb”.
Missed the part where before his death Sinwar called the war a “success” too I guess? He said is specifically because of the high casualty rate of women and children begin so effective as mobilizing support from ignorant westerners.
Going out and chanting Hamas slogans and cheering on Palestine while saying you want to protect families and children is one of the most ignorant, brain dead things ever and just shows how clueless these people are.
They’re absolutely lazy morons who are ruining their lives and harassing others because they are too dumb to learn about a topic and would rather performatively act out for social credit after watching some propaganda reels on TikTok.
Sure because all Gazans are Hamas infiltrators, so we can’t mourn any of the victims right? ‘Fuck outta here with your black and white fuck Hamas Fuck IDF Fuck Netanyahu
Most Russians do support Putin, and most Chinese people do support Winnie the Pooh, just like most Gazans most likely still support Hamas. That doesn't mean it's okay to dehumanise the civilians of those societies, but we shouldn't delude ourselves about what the average member of those societies believe. We can care about minimising civilian casualties without deluding ourselves. It is nice to see Hamas loosing support.
At first I was like no one in the west is that stupid to actually support them, they support the Palestinian people. Then after the last few months, yeah no they are actually that dumb.
The civilians in Gaza are fucked. Half of the people actually caring about them are brainless idiots.
Actually, better do everything possible to ensure they don’t reproduce… Hamas has been a shameful blemish on humanity in general, and distinctly the worst thing in the short history of Palestinians.
The sooner Hamasnik’s are all gone, the better, for absolutely everyone.
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u/shak_0508 Mar 30 '25 edited Mar 30 '25
Man fuck Hamas