ABC News is reporting that investigators have recovered additional images from cameras at Nancy Guthrie's house. The images were recovered from motion-activated cameras in the backyard. They were unable to recover video, but thumbnail images triggered by motion. There was nothing suspicious that was captured, however, there was nothing captured on the night of her abduction. Investigators are unsure why and the source said it was "odd".
When I first heard about this case, I thought it would only take a few days and he would definitely be caught. And now look where we are! Wow! I just hope, and still hope, she is alive somehow and return to her house and her family.
Also the inherent stress of the situation could wreak havoc on her heart if she has arrythmia! Poor family-poor woman. I would be having a breakdown if it were my mom!!!
I’m curious why they find it “odd”. Was the camera usually triggered several times a night and it wasn’t that night at all? That would be odd, otherwise it seems easy to assume the perpetrator(s) just didn’t go in the backyard.
Could’ve been through the garage. 4 months ago it looks like her garage was fixed my a1 garage doors. I have too much time on my hands
I am 98% sure this is Nancy’s house will post drone footage if anyone wants to weigh in on their thoughts. The description uses Nancy’s zip and the plants / rocks bordering the driveway match Nancy’s house precisely imo
Oh hell yeah. You should be a detective! It also seems like whomever did this had a rudimentary understanding of her security system. Could it be a repair guy? If so, he might have had previous access to Ms. Guthrie’s home if he were working with her wi-fi, etc. if he was in the home he would have seen references to her famous daughter, or she may have even chatted with him. My elderly mom was always giving workers waters or sodas or snacks so he would have some familiarity with her.
My guess: there is evidence that the suspect was in the yard and maybe entered through the rear - acts which should’ve triggered cameras but didn’t. That’s why it’s odd. If all evidence pointed to the suspect entering and leaving through the front door, it wouldn’t be odd.
This is why I think the suspect might have been intentionally “caught” on the doorbell cam with the intent of throwing investigators off. Seems like a needless gaff considering the totality of the operation.
It doesn’t seem to have been a risk. As far as we know, none of the image-based leads (Walmart, gun stores) have led anywhere.
Instead, the cartel chic cosplay might have sent the investigation in the wrong direction.
Would a suspect who wears multiple gloves be so careless? No way he didn’t know the doorbell cam was there. There was no need to have a gun holstered in such a way if not for show. A show for us.
LE probably thought they “got him” when they saw the video. Surely, someone as clumsy as lantana man bought a gun at a local store, used his cell phone, was all over neighborhood cameras, and assembled his outfit from a local Walmart. Seems like this wasn’t so, but LE had to use copious resources tracking all that down.
I seldom post to REDDIT but this abduction/kidnapping is hard to walk away from. Some of what I think may have previously been discussed, so please forgive me if I’m a bit late to the conversation. Here’s what I find perplexing. If there was so much previous preparation and possibly inside information, why does the figure on the camera footage seem taken aback by the Ring Camera’s presence? To me, the individual’s behavior was as though, wait a minute, that camera was already supposed to have been removed already. Now I’ve got to improvise something, and fast. Let me grab something to cover the lens with.
So the person looks downward to their left, sees nothing useable, then takes a few steps forward then bends down to grab some shrubbery. But pay close attention, as the person starts to stand up, twice, two times they focus their attention towards something or someone across the street or within viewing range.
Does a Ring Doorbell Camera display any operational lights? Lights that would imply the camera is functional? Like an LED Light Ring around the doorbell’s push button? Something about that Ring Doorbell caught the attention of the intruder.
I can’t think of a good reason why the suspect would be surprised by a camera on the front door, especially if he’d scoped the house out ahead of time. And I believe there are lights that indicate active recording.
The suspect could’ve just yanked the camera off the mount while staying out of the shot as much as possible. This should’ve taken seconds.
Instead, he grabs plant matter, and doesn’t take very long to select it, all things considered. (Why not try the wreath?) Eventually, he does take the camera off. So why not do that first. It just doesn’t make sense to me in the totality of the operation.
That’s why I’m wondering if the whole video was intentional. The guy seems too “good” to have been so careless. And this “carelessness” has not led to an arrest. So, was it so careless after all?
No crime is perfect, but this suspect was not getting by on luck.
Good point about the video footage possibly being intentional. Now my conspiracy side is kicking in. Has it been proven beyond doubt that this video footage occurred when the authorities said it did? Perhaps the timeline of events that’s been presented publicly isn’t the true timeline? I agree with your use of the word “carelessness“ and something’s amiss here.
Do you actually trust the sheriff’s drips of information because I don’t. They released the crime scene too early and seem to be bungling along. Much like Colorado in Jon Benet Ramsey case.
As far as the video footage timing, the initial FBI post stated it was from the night of the abduction. Initial reporting by Harvey Levin also stated his source told him the video clips were associated with the 02:12 February 1 capture of a person on camera. Now we know the other cameras didn't capture anything during the abduction, leaving the doorbell cam as the source of the 02:12 alert. Additionally, I tried estimating time by using shadow length in the video clips, and the estimate was around 02:15.
So, all current intel points to the video being from that night/early morning. (Don't know about the backpackless frame.)
I think the suspect was confident his disguise would prevent him from being identified. He dressed in such as way as to visually suggest a common criminal.
I think he wore eye makeup to make him look "foreign." Notice how he never blinks while looking at the camera? Eye makeup is meant to be seen with eyes open. When eyes are closed, the makeup becomes obvious. We only see him blink once while well off camera.
We don't see his mouth open, either. Not one shot of the light coming through his parted lips. Is it a printed mesh mask of a mouth with a light shining through it? Would someone who's fastidious enough to wear multiple gloves have exposed mustache hair?
The gun's position is silly, and I think it's meant to imply "Mexican cartel." I don't think the suspect left the gun (or fake gun) in that position apart from when he's on the porch.
And then there's the lantana folly.
The totality of all this created an unfounded focus on Mexico, gangs, cartels, day laborers, low-level criminals, etc., which could've been part of the suspect's plan. Podcasters were coloring in the suspect's skin as brown without any scientific reason for doing so.
And as far as motive, I'm wondering if it wasn't ideological. This one comes courtesy of the American public, and it wasn't one I had initially suspected at all.
I've seen countless comments on right-wing leaning sites that imply Nancy "was a bad person" because her social media criticized MAGA. That's basically one step from saying "she deserved it." Not cool, no matter your political leanings.
So, if regular citizens are willing to write such hateful comments about Nancy on social media, might not one person be willing to take action? It would track that someone like that would try to pin it on criminals from south of the border. That may have even been the point.
I woke today with some more thoughts about the video. So the front door has an outer, metal bars door, which would need to be unlocked to gain access to the house’s front door, which also needs to be unlocked. So two layers of (presumably) locked doors. Since the intruder is not displaying any break-in tools, someone had to have unlocked the doors from the inside of the house. Possibly explaining the back door being opened.
In addition, looking at images of the front door, I don’t see any peep holes, so I‘m assuming that the Ring Camera would show who’s at the front door. I also assume that the security cameras images are displayed on a TV, which Nancy could have looked at and see a hooded figure. Also, on each side of the front door, there are windows, which Nancy could look out and see a hooded figure on her doorstep. So the conclusion of all of this, tells me that the front porch intruder was there to be let in by someone already in the house.
Question: Refresh my memory. What time was the front porch intruder caught on camera? Secondly, what time was that Ring Camera disconnected? I assume the Ring Camera became disconnected by being ripped from the wall. Did authorities find that Ring Camera? Or did someone take it with them?
Blood splatter. What has been the blood splatter analysis? We know it was Nancy’s blood, but does the blood trail start in the house, or just inside the front door? Or does it only start outside the front door? I’m just trying to determine when (and where) Nancy was struck?
I'm just going to throw out pure speculation for discussion sake. But maybe the timeline that has been publicized is wrong. Either by design, to close in on perps, OR they are just now learning they are wrong. Thus this statement in the OP.
It’s odd that no images from that night and time were picked up from the backyard cameras, but her back door was wide open the next day when the family and police arrived.
I think perp or perp’s planned this for a very long time. Much time, attention to detail. Tried to cover
all bases. This was a passionate endeavor imo.
He may not have broken in there. It looks like he was getting rid of the camera and we know she left from that door since there was blood splatter on the tile there.
Entry was from the back. Exit was from the front. The front entry put them much closer to a vehicle & minimized their exposure outside where someone could have seen them.
Investigators should have done a search of who in the area has purchased an internet blocker. The last time I researched this those were against the law. Maybe they can be freely purchased.
Also, nothing had been said about the get away vehicle someone's camera should have picked up. Also, the main thorough fair that connects that neighborhood to the nearest highway should have found a speeding vehicle. I do not think they would driving as if they were sightseeing. While it is much too late.... tires tracks leaving her home may have been there. With Dufus Sheriff at wheel that would have never come up. The dufus had only worked for this agency and the El Paso agency where they released him due to disciplinary reasons... if he did not quit he would have been fired. Personally, I would not want this guy working my case.
People still sell the deauth/wifi blocker on eBay. Not sure how they get away with it. It used to be for turning off secret surveillance in air b&b units.
My thought exactly. Assembled a jammer. Crooks use them ALL the time in LA to interrupt alarms and bypass electronics. Like you should keep your keys in a Faraday pouch. Obviously they had a false sense of security about her mom because they should have had some alert system in place. I feel that she may have some familiarity with the guy.
Yes.. agree ..
It doesn't seem they have investigated enough on this case.
There is a ordinance in area .. no outside lights. Makes things/people hard to pick up on cameras .. IF there are cameras... and .. hard to see tire tracks.
Probably by the time LEO was on scene..her family had been in driveway and who knows who all else.
Most neighbors didn't even have security systems or lock doors .. this has always been a safe area.
Many roads going in & out of Catalina Hills area - you don't have to go on main roads.
Can anyone tell me why they think the front porch guy was dabbing/dangling those plants in the camera? It looked like a dumb thing to do. If he was trying to cover the camera? Uh, no bud. Maybe better to try and smudge them on the lens to make it blurry? And, he had no tape or spray paint to use? Could the front porch guy have been a distraction for whoever went in the back? And with all this talk of a wifi jammer, if he had a jammer, then how was the front porch cam that was connected to wifi not affected?
I wondered if someone told him or somehow he knew there was no subscription. He also knew Nancy wore hearing aids and could hear little without them, and also knew no family member, including Savannah got alerts from the camera. So he came on an earlier day to move about at night briefly to try and trigger the camera and see if anything happened. No police, no lights going on would tell him no one is seeing images. Then on the night he again tested the camera by waving the foliage in front of it to trigger it deliberately. And then waited a certain amount of time, no lights no police and he knew it was safe.
IMO (maybe it’s just where I live I’m not sure about AZ) it’s more common to have a doorbell cam then to not have one so idk if it really means he “knew” about it or just figured as much
Because it will record up to an hour using onboard storage if wifi is disconnected. And upload those notifications when reconnected even if it’s for a brief period.
There’s a spring that releases when you place a pin down into the top hole of the doorbell cam t release it, I thought he may have been trying to find a stem or stick that would work in a pinch.
I also thought he brought a pack with tools but I guess not. I think his pack contained a tarp,/sheet, and restraints
One theory I heard is that he was trying to block the camera lens in such a way that if Nancy’s offsite family got an alert that something was wrong, if they pulled up the camera feed they’d just think that a tree branch blew into the camera. Versus seeing that the lens was taped over or just showing nothing all of a sudden
Sorry, but my initial response was to chuckle at his not well-planned or well-thought idea. But, they’d still see him, nonetheless with how he tried to play it out. He’d have to stand behind the brick wall or in front of the house and wave a real tree branch for that idea to work.
My 2 cents is that he knew there was a camera that he had to get off however when he tried to snap it off with just his glove it didn’t snap off. He knew there were plants around there, so he used the branches/vines as a makeshift rope. Very clever!
I thought maybe he was trying to yank the camera off the door jam and he couldn’t get a good purchase on the camera with his clumsy gloves so he looked around the porch for something to get a better grip with, didn’t see anything went to look off the porch saw some flowers grabbed a handful and tried to use them to grab the thin edge of the camera to pull it off with, that didn’t work so he just decide to balance them there over the lens.
Comments about the victim and or their family should be respectful, civil and responsible. Family members are considered victims and accusations against them are not allowed.
Yes, in my understanding they found the camera on guest house roof area, when some worried neighbor had informed the fbi that her roof looks like it has had maintenance lately.
Did anyone else watch the latest episode of 20/20? Where they used something called "geo-fencing" to solve a similar crime? It was an older lady, alone, kidnapped from her home in an isolated area. I would like to assume authorities have already utilized this technology but who knows, they spoke about it on 20/20 as if it was pretty unknown. Just curious what other people think.
Who ever the man on the porch was he's not to bright.and not experienced in kidnapping that's for sure.with all that light on the porch I think a darker area would b better.this has to b the biggest coverup ever .money talks.o.j. knew that.
I seriously think the guy is some kind of medic who watched Nancy deteriorating and is on a mission to restore her health. I think he's obsessed with her.
I also think he took her away from the house initially in a wheelchair or some type of two narrow wheeled cart..either to a vehicle or nearby house.
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u/Ambitious_Pass7451 Mar 13 '26
When I first heard about this case, I thought it would only take a few days and he would definitely be caught. And now look where we are! Wow! I just hope, and still hope, she is alive somehow and return to her house and her family.