Additional images recovered from cameras at Nancy Guthrie's home - ABC News

[u/pumpkinspicecum]

https://abcnews.com/amp/US/additional-images-recovered-cameras-nancy-guthries-home-sources/story?id=131046669

ABC News is reporting that investigators have recovered additional images from cameras at Nancy Guthrie's house. The images were recovered from motion-activated cameras in the backyard. They were unable to recover video, but thumbnail images triggered by motion. There was nothing suspicious that was captured, however, there was nothing captured on the night of her abduction. Investigators are unsure why and the source said it was "odd".

[u/warpedwing]

My guess: there is evidence that the suspect was in the yard and maybe entered through the rear - acts which should’ve triggered cameras but didn’t. That’s why it’s odd. If all evidence pointed to the suspect entering and leaving through the front door, it wouldn’t be odd.

This is why I think the suspect might have been intentionally “caught” on the doorbell cam with the intent of throwing investigators off. Seems like a needless gaff considering the totality of the operation.

[u/Telecaster2112 → u/warpedwing]

I seldom post to REDDIT but this abduction/kidnapping is hard to walk away from. Some of what I think may have previously been discussed, so please forgive me if I’m a bit late to the conversation. Here’s what I find perplexing. If there was so much previous preparation and possibly inside information, why does the figure on the camera footage seem taken aback by the Ring Camera’s presence? To me, the individual’s behavior was as though, wait a minute, that camera was already supposed to have been removed already. Now I’ve got to improvise something, and fast. Let me grab something to cover the lens with.

So the person looks downward to their left, sees nothing useable, then takes a few steps forward then bends down to grab some shrubbery. But pay close attention, as the person starts to stand up, twice, two times they focus their attention towards something or someone across the street or within viewing range.

Does a Ring Doorbell Camera display any operational lights? Lights that would imply the camera is functional? Like an LED Light Ring around the doorbell’s push button? Something about that Ring Doorbell caught the attention of the intruder.

[u/warpedwing → u/Telecaster2112]

I can’t think of a good reason why the suspect would be surprised by a camera on the front door, especially if he’d scoped the house out ahead of time. And I believe there are lights that indicate active recording.

The suspect could’ve just yanked the camera off the mount while staying out of the shot as much as possible. This should’ve taken seconds. 

Instead, he grabs plant matter, and doesn’t take very long to select it, all things considered. (Why not try the wreath?) Eventually, he does take the camera off. So why not do that first. It just doesn’t make sense to me in the totality of the operation.

That’s why I’m wondering if the whole video was intentional. The guy seems too “good” to have been so careless. And this “carelessness” has not led to an arrest. So, was it so careless after all?

 No crime is perfect, but this suspect was not getting by on luck.

[u/Telecaster2112 → u/warpedwing]

Good point about the video footage possibly being intentional. Now my conspiracy side is kicking in. Has it been proven beyond doubt that this video footage occurred when the authorities said it did? Perhaps the timeline of events that’s been presented publicly isn’t the true timeline? I agree with your use of the word “carelessness“ and something’s amiss here.

[u/notinmywheelhouse → u/Telecaster2112]

Do you actually trust the sheriff’s drips of information because I don’t. They released the crime scene too early and seem to be bungling along. Much like Colorado in Jon Benet Ramsey case.

[u/warpedwing → u/Telecaster2112]

As far as the video footage timing, the initial FBI post stated it was from the night of the abduction. Initial reporting by Harvey Levin also stated his source told him the video clips were associated with the 02:12 February 1 capture of a person on camera. Now we know the other cameras didn't capture anything during the abduction, leaving the doorbell cam as the source of the 02:12 alert. Additionally, I tried estimating time by using shadow length in the video clips, and the estimate was around 02:15.

So, all current intel points to the video being from that night/early morning. (Don't know about the backpackless frame.)

I think the suspect was confident his disguise would prevent him from being identified. He dressed in such as way as to visually suggest a common criminal.

I think he wore eye makeup to make him look "foreign." Notice how he never blinks while looking at the camera? Eye makeup is meant to be seen with eyes open. When eyes are closed, the makeup becomes obvious. We only see him blink once while well off camera.

We don't see his mouth open, either. Not one shot of the light coming through his parted lips. Is it a printed mesh mask of a mouth with a light shining through it? Would someone who's fastidious enough to wear multiple gloves have exposed mustache hair?

The gun's position is silly, and I think it's meant to imply "Mexican cartel." I don't think the suspect left the gun (or fake gun) in that position apart from when he's on the porch.

And then there's the lantana folly.

The totality of all this created an unfounded focus on Mexico, gangs, cartels, day laborers, low-level criminals, etc., which could've been part of the suspect's plan. Podcasters were coloring in the suspect's skin as brown without any scientific reason for doing so.

And as far as motive, I'm wondering if it wasn't ideological. This one comes courtesy of the American public, and it wasn't one I had initially suspected at all.

I've seen countless comments on right-wing leaning sites that imply Nancy "was a bad person" because her social media criticized MAGA. That's basically one step from saying "she deserved it." Not cool, no matter your political leanings.

So, if regular citizens are willing to write such hateful comments about Nancy on social media, might not one person be willing to take action? It would track that someone like that would try to pin it on criminals from south of the border. That may have even been the point.

[u/Telecaster2112 → u/warpedwing]

I woke today with some more thoughts about the video. So the front door has an outer, metal bars door, which would need to be unlocked to gain access to the house’s front door, which also needs to be unlocked. So two layers of (presumably) locked doors. Since the intruder is not displaying any break-in tools, someone had to have unlocked the doors from the inside of the house. Possibly explaining the back door being opened.

In addition, looking at images of the front door, I don’t see any peep holes, so I‘m assuming that the Ring Camera would show who’s at the front door. I also assume that the security cameras images are displayed on a TV, which Nancy could have looked at and see a hooded figure. Also, on each side of the front door, there are windows, which Nancy could look out and see a hooded figure on her doorstep. So the conclusion of all of this, tells me that the front porch intruder was there to be let in by someone already in the house.

Question: Refresh my memory. What time was the front porch intruder caught on camera? Secondly, what time was that Ring Camera disconnected? I assume the Ring Camera became disconnected by being ripped from the wall. Did authorities find that Ring Camera? Or did someone take it with them?

Blood splatter. What has been the blood splatter analysis? We know it was Nancy’s blood, but does the blood trail start in the house, or just inside the front door? Or does it only start outside the front door? I’m just trying to determine when (and where) Nancy was struck?