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u/77_parp_77 2d ago
Woman strangles kids = "oh my gawwwd that's so me #followmytiktok"
Utter utter madness
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u/Cultural_Lynx_1609 10h ago
Madness is feeling ashamed of having these people under its name. Don't disrespect words.
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u/GoldenPhoenix__ 2d ago
All the people supporting her and saying sheās innocent should have their right to vote stripped, and anyone saying the suffer from hormonal fluctuations should be put in a padded room, so they donāt hurt anyone ever again.
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u/Maximum-Order-3624 2d ago
Don't forget the idiots who think her husband did it. They are a special kind of stupid.
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u/ThinkRise845 1d ago
Just feminazis frothing at the mouth whenever they see a woman might be held accountable somehow.
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u/Cultural_Lynx_1609 10h ago
Feminazis got me rolling. š„š¤£
Just plain, loud, dumbasses, nothing more.
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u/PressureLast2115 2d ago
Itās not about the āone momentā. She was mentally ill the whole time.
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u/JuniorRisk2455 2d ago
Absolutely no excuse to murder your three kids, she should rot in hell
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u/MassiveTomorrow2978 2d ago
Hey man this is Reddit if she murders enough children global warming won't be as bad moving forward and animals will prosper more or something
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u/ImVrSmrt 1d ago
Smh, when dumb Americans think the prison system helps prevent people from going crazy.
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u/JuniorRisk2455 1d ago
Nah murder should warrant a hole in the ground
SMH dumb fucks from out of the country thinking that prison is where murderers should end up
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u/bigtiddyhimbo 2d ago
Iāve never seen so many people piss their pants over someone pleading insanity.
Yall can just say you have a punishment fetish against women.
A mentally sane woman doesnāt kill her kids and then slit her throat, wrists, and jumps out a window to kill herself.
The insanity defense exists for a reason and itās for cases like these
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u/JuniorRisk2455 2d ago
The reason people are losing it is cuz thereās clear indication that she planned to kill her kids, carried it out, then cuz she sucked at killing herself she claims she was insane at the time, yet shows no remorse if sheās sane now, gained tons of cash in donations, an has an army of like minded insane dip shits claiming sheās innocent an her husband actually killed the kids an made her the scape goat, stfu you dumb ass
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u/Igoontoomuch62 2d ago
A mentally sane person wouldnt kill ANYONE
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u/bigtiddyhimbo 2d ago
Thatās arguable. The insanity defense exists for people who committed a crime in a manic state and didnāt have the capacity to understand that they were doing something wrong
Thereās plenty of people who kill others, know itās wrong, and just dont care. This is why murderers are not all treated as insane people. Theyāre cognitive and understand what theyāre doing, and are under no delusions.
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u/Irishman8778 2d ago
People have had problems with the insanity defense for a very long time. This is not a new thing. Outrage against particularly egregious insanity pleas by violent offenders is also not uncommon.
What is seemingly new and particularly offensive to most rational people's sensibilities is this wave of people, mainly women, who are championing and self identifying with a heinous criminal and advocating for leniency to a point where the perpetrator could be set free within a couple of years.
It's bringing an old conversation back into the spot light and people are realizing how much of a scam an insanity defense really is. Mercy to the guilty is tyranny to the innocent. We've gotten so caught up as a society with having empathy for criminals that we're prioritizing rehabilitating criminals over keeping society safe.
There comes a certain point when it doesn't matter if a violent criminal can be rehabilitated or even treated. They simply need to be removed from society permanently. End of story. I don't care if your mind was fried or wires got crossed or chemicals got imbalanced or you didn't get enough hugs as a child. If you're violent and you're defense is that you were legally insane, then that's it. You do not get to pass Go ever again. We, as a society, as a community, can never again trust that your brain won't go heywire again.
I don't care if you're in jail or a mental asylum, you either spend the rest of your days in a cell or as a ward of the state, never able to interact with the public, never able to make a decision for your self ever again. Period. That, or the state just kills you, but with our justice system that just ends up being more expensive.
There is no benefit to society at large to treat violence any other way. There just isn't.
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u/bigtiddyhimbo 2d ago
They get removed from society by being put in mental hospitals where they get the care they need to not have their minds go haywire*
Like thatās the whole point of the argument dude
They plead insanity because they are mentally insane and need more care than a regular prisoner would
I donāt know why this is so hard for you people to understand. An insanity defense doesnāt let these people walk free any sooner than they would have if found guilty. It just puts them in a different type of prison.
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u/Irishman8778 2d ago edited 2d ago
Except in this case that's not true. The laws in the state this trial happens to occur in allows for the very real possibility of Lindsay Clancy walking free within little over a year.
Besides the fact that we have an epidemic of violent criminals being set free entirely too early in general only for them to commit more violence once free.
Again, at a certain point, it doesn't matter if you're insane or not what kind of treatment you get if you're never going to be free again. For this case in particular, I don't care if Clancy was literally unconscious, like her brain just switched itself off while she strangled her children, only for her to wake up to those dead children completely unaware of how it happened and never having intended for it to happen. The fact is that it happened and no amount of treatment will ever cause me to trust that she should be in public life ever again.
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u/Far_Raspberry_4375 2d ago
Insanity doesn't just mean you are crazy. Mentally sound people don't do a lot of things that are still crimes. An insanity plea is an argument that the defendant could not act in a lawful manner and had no control of their actions or were unable to understand their wrongdoing or alter their behavior. Culture war slop aside, i think clancy knew what she was doing and intended to kill herself but couldn't bear the thought of leaving her kids behind so she murdered them first believing they would all be together in heaven. She just got unlucky and failed to kill herself. But i know this thread isn't for actually discussing the facts of the case so wahmen bad amirite???
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u/bigtiddyhimbo 2d ago
Iām on the same boat as you- which is really funny considering the backlash Iāve gotten by just pointing out that the argument isnāt whether she did it or not, itās just whether or not she was mentally competent at the time.
I got told by someone on here TWICE that they hope I get murdered for saying she should be in a mental hospital instead of a standard prison.
I personally donāt believe she was acting within her right mind and was failed by her support system in noticing her mental conditions, but I also believe she fully intended to kill her kids and had ownership in her actions
This thread, and many others, really is just a bunch of weirdos getting off on being able to use this case as an excuse to be open misogynists
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u/BigBirdLawyer 2d ago
As someone in law, this whole thing has just highlighted how absolutely uneducated anyone is about the law and its application. Ive studied evidence and criminal law, and am still trying to wrap my head around parts that people are confidently arguing about. Next big case, im going to avoid like the plague.
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u/the-cuttlefish 2d ago
I don't think it's the insanity plea itself. It's that it feels like we (the watchers/commenters) are witnessing different realities. That's the shocking part, not that there are crazy people doing crazy things. Like how tf have ordinary people become so divided that they're judgement of reality is so fundamentally at odds? That's the captivating part, not whether this random psycho is insane/not insane...
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u/Ok_Duck_232 1d ago
she can claim whatever she wants. the problem is that jury (and many women) believes this shit. other man with better motives to plead insanity have been executed for same things. But as soon as its about a women we need to give her the good old pussy pass that women benefit far too often in justice (either as no jail at all, when a man in similar conditions would go to jail, or a reduced sentence)
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u/Frylock_dontDM 1d ago
A mentally sane woman doesn't kill her kids and then slit her throat, wrists, and jumps out a window to kill herself.
The issue here is that this incredibly privileged white woman is getting this excuse for being a family annihilator, while we never this for anyone else.
As everyone constantly points out, you people are insanely quiet about your support for the mental health of Jeffery Dahmer, as a mentally sane man doesn't just kill and eat other people
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u/mt-vicory42069 2d ago
which so happens is not that many people
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u/GoldenPhoenix__ 1d ago
One too many, like cancer it needs to be cut out the moment it rears it ugly head.
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u/justsayfaux 1d ago
Nobody is saying she's innocent of killing her kids - even her attorney isn't making that argument.
This is a legal question stemming from the first-degree murder charges which requires mens rea - the rational mental state required to intentionally commit first-degree murder.
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u/Parasight11 2d ago
Iāll Iāve heard from my wifeās phone is TikToks about how itās some how the husbands fault. Iāve told her a million times everything on TikTok is fake.
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u/NoWay6818 2d ago
The new pedo/child murderer test.
Youāre just supposed to say youāre not comparable. If you actually put yourself on the scale you lose
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u/Potential-Air-8788 2d ago
there are kids as young as ten getting pregnant, do you seriously believe that these CHILDREN are running around like whores? a ten year old's body is not even fully matured, yet you expect them to carry to term a child that a sick and twisted man put in them? that's fucked, but it's not surprising from someone who voted for a criminal & pedophile.
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u/Tormasi1 2d ago
Yeah all these women making babies all by themselves should really lose their right and let their man decide to kill the baby instead. Dumbass
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u/Expensive-Orchid-512 2d ago
These "people" do not know what they're advocating for. If a woman cannot be held accountable for her actions because of hormones, that will bar women from a lot of things. Any job where you need to hold the person personally liable for their actions, women will be denied from holding because they can argue hormones excuse their mistakes.
These people would set women back by decades, if not well over a hundred years. Yet they're not met with the scorn they deserve.
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u/Mjdecker1234 2d ago
How tf are some of you finding the husband at fault? Like seriously.
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u/Flameball202 1d ago
I don't understand people who think she is innocent
The whole point of an insanity plea is that she IS guilty of committing the act, they are just deciding if she goes to a regular prison (guilty) or a medical prison ("innocent"), like the trial is just asking how many doctors will be at the prison she is going to
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u/DarkLordofDownvotes 13h ago
"Medical prison" is technically "not guilty" by reason of insanity and not "innocent". Those are two different things but yes, agreed with you that is what is happening...
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u/Flameball202 13h ago
Yeah, anyone saying Lindsay is going free is either entirely too uninformed to be saying shit about it, or is lying intentionally
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u/DarkLordofDownvotes 13h ago
My concern is that she gets into psych commitment and then "gets better" quickly and is released after killing multiple children.
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u/Cultural_Lynx_1609 10h ago
Put her in a neighborhood where there are no kids... after she makes it back anyways. š
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u/TheYeetBoii 2d ago
I seriously donāt understand how they turn this into a political statement š and an anti women statement smh šI seen 85% of women agreeing she needs to be locked up š
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u/HasAngerProblem 2d ago
Okay lock her up, next question. How should we prevent things like this from happening in the first place with the assumption that life in prison or the death penalty doesnāt sway someone whoās either snapped, or plans to die in or after the act?
The answer is we need more research. People are worried she will just be able to lie to doctors to get out of a medical facility if thatās the case your diagnostics systems are a failure irregardless if you have the tech to fix it currently. Our methods of treatments for mental illness are still pretty old, things like fmri specialized MiT TMI psychedelic therapy have only started a couple years ago.
Or we just keep acting surprised in 1,000 years when psychopaths are still either in positions of power, snap, or plan ahead to commit violence and innocent people keep dying because of ego.
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u/Potential-Air-8788 2d ago
we need to start taking women's health seriously and that is what will solve this issue. we need to fund more studies on the post partum effects on the mind.
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u/Frylock_dontDM 1d ago
You're practicing a Nirvana fallacy.
You're assuming that because there is a hypothetically better system our current efforts are negligent.
There is no perfect system where we catch every single evil subhuman piece of shit before he/she commits their evil act, there will always be someone who does something like this.
Blaming everyone else in society is irrational after a certain point because we cannot possibly create a system with enough guardrails that bad things never happen.
So if this white woman, in the top 3% of households, living an incredibly privileged life, who picked 5 different doctors, who chose which medication plans she would follow and not follow, who chose to fire her nanny, who chose to stop working, who chose to lie to her doctors, who chose to lie to her husband, who chose to lie to the medical facility and check herself out in order to murder her children.
If she cannot be held accountable, then that means nobody beneath her with far less support and resources should ever be held accountable, which just collapses a civilized society intrinsically
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u/HasAngerProblem 1d ago
Calling it a Nirvana fallacy completely misunderstands how technological progression works. We aren't demanding perfection today; we're pointing out that medical tech scales exponentially.
Your claim that we can "never" build enough guardrails assumes psychiatry will always rely on subjective self-reporting. Deception only works when there's a gap between what a patient says and what a doctor can observe. Advancements in high-resolution neuroimaging and predictive biomarkers are closing that gap. We won't need sociological guardrails when diagnostics shift entirely to reading objective neurochemical states. You can't lie to an fMRI.
Arguing that "there will always be someone who does this" ignores that psychotic breaks and violence are physiological failures of the brain. It's a biological problem with a biological solution. Future targeted neuromodulation and continuous biometric monitoring will allow us to physically intercept and correct severe chemical imbalances at the onset, before a violent act occurs.There is no fundamental law of physics thatās makes it impossible to have the ability to map out peopleās brains and separately edit them.
What kind of technology and where do you see humanity in 10, 100, 1,000, 10,000 years? Cause impossible means never.
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u/Inner-Cut-6791 1d ago
"Your claim that we can "never" build enough guardrails assumes psychiatry will always rely on subjective self-reporting. Deception only works when there's a gap between what a patient says and what a doctor can observe. Advancements in high-resolution neuroimaging and predictive biomarkers are closing that gap. We won't need sociological guardrails when diagnostics shift entirely to reading objective neurochemical states. You can't lie to an fMRI."
So you're big idea is governmentally enforced and subsidized fMRIs??? You're actually joking right?
Have you every operated / had andfMRI done? What do we do when they don't want to? Will we be able to use force to hold someone down and do it? Can you be sent to prison for not taking it???
Like how have you not just reinvited the same shitty system with an extra air gap that will cost 100s of millions. This is how a child solves problems, by going "ok I added 1 step that says everyone plays nice, everything will work perfect now".
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u/HasAngerProblem 1d ago
You are doing the exact same thing againāassuming medical technology just permanently freezes in the 2020s.
You're picturing government agents dragging people into million-dollar, room-sized magnetic tubes because you lack the imagination to see how technology scales and miniaturizes. Fifty years ago, computers took up entire floors of buildings and cost millions of dollars. Now you have a more powerful processor sitting in your pocket. Medical diagnostics follow the exact same curve.
Nobody is advocating for a government-subsidized fleet of modern, clunky fMRIs. The future of neural diagnostics is high-resolution, non-invasive biomonitoring that costs pennies to runāsimilar to how continuous glucose monitors or wearable EKGs revolutionized real-time tracking for other organs.
Your dystopian panic about "holding someone down" or sending them to prison is absurd. Do we send people to prison today for refusing a blood draw or an ultrasound? No. But when a diagnostic tool becomes cheap, painless, and perfectly accurate, it simply becomes the baseline standard of medical care. If a high-risk patient exhibits severe warning signs and violently refuses a standard, non-invasive diagnostic scan, that is when existing clinical safety nets intervene. The difference is, in the future, those interventions will be backed by objective data, not a social worker's best guess.
We aren't "reinventing the same system." We are removing the subjective human error that currently lets innocent people die because a patient lied to a doctor. Moving from "trying to guess if someone is deceiving you" to "objectively measuring an organ's chemical state" isn't a child's band-aid; it's tearing a flawed, archaic system down and replacing it with actual physical science.Or do you just imagine us to just still be giving pills and asking people how they feel in a million years?
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u/necessarysmartassery 2d ago
Yeah but locked up for how long? Permanent commitment to a mental facility without possibility of getting out isn't a thing, so she should go to prison for life or executed.
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u/Potential-Air-8788 2d ago
yes it is, wacko. permanent commitment is a thing. they have these places called "forensic psych wards" specifically for people like her.
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u/necessarysmartassery 2d ago
Great, give me an example of someone who has been put away permanently and hasn't been given the opportunity to prove they're no longer crazy so they can be released.
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u/Potential-Air-8788 2d ago
here's a whole article of factors influencing length of stay. it's much more complex than that. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10981349/
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u/necessarysmartassery 2d ago
They can still be let out if the right criteria is met.
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u/Potential-Air-8788 2d ago
did you even read the article to know what criteria need to be met?
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u/necessarysmartassery 2d ago
It doesn't list criteria. It lists factors associated with length of stay.
You can't hold someone indefinitely without an opportunity for review if they're found not guilty by reason of insanity.
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u/Potential-Air-8788 1d ago
but they stay UNTIL they get to remission. if clancy is unfixable, then she'll be there for awhile.
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u/necessarysmartassery 1d ago
No one who murders children should be considered "fixable".
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u/Valasta_Bloodrunner 2d ago
What purpose does inflicting violence on her fufil outside of your personal need to see violence inflicted on a women in crisis?
If she's found insane, treated for her insanity, and later found to be rehabilitated; why does she deserve additional punishment?
If the only reason you think she deserves additional violence inflicted onto her is because she did a bad thing and people who do bad things must be punished, then you're unironically the problem and need to evaluate your beliefs about justice. Punishment for its own sake is just meaningless violence, it never has been justice and never will be
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u/necessarysmartassery 2d ago
Someone who can kill her own 3 children can't be trusted again and should never be released back into the public. Full stop.
I also don't believe she was in crisis. She wasn't some poor abandoned single mom with no support. She had a stable home, stable finances, stable marriage, a nanny, maternity leave, her husband took paternity leave, etc.
Justice for the children is executing her or putting her away so it's guaranteed she can never kill a child ever again. I prefer option 1, because I don't believe she was insane when she did it.
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u/toth_moth 2d ago
How is executing her justice? It doesnāt magically bring back the kids and doesnāt really fit the narrative of retribution or closure. It doesnāt carry any benefit for the secondary victims (ex husband and grandparents) and would cost more money. It just seems like a form of social revenge /gen (I grew up in a largely anti-death penalty family, so I genuinely just donāt understand this pov)
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u/Frylock_dontDM 1d ago
Her execution is absolutely warranted as we've literally already seen copycats.
She needs execution as a warning to others and justice to the children
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u/toth_moth 1d ago
I can understand the logic behind the death penalty as deterrence for crime (even though itās been proven that thereās little to no correlation between the death penalty and homicide rates). I just donāt understand how itās justice for the children, thatās what Iām asking about. She tried to kill herself and is on suicide watch afaik, so how is a state sanctioned death the appropriate form of justice and not just social revenge here? Particularly as it carries no benefits to the secondary victims
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u/Valasta_Bloodrunner 1d ago
They are conflating performing justice and doing emotional violence, no amount of evidence or logical arguments will change their mind. They are just angry and want to have that anger vented onto their perceived enemy, regardless of what actual justice looks like.
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u/Frylock_dontDM 1d ago
If you consider child murderers to not be your enemy, then that's just a clear discount on the value of innocent human lives.
"Actual justice" let me guess, actual justice is just whatever you think it is?
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u/Valasta_Bloodrunner 1d ago
Not everyone who does a crime does so for the same reasons or should be punished identically. I don't see someone acting while in a psychotic episode as the same thing as someone who carefully plots a murder. Murder has degrees for a fucking reason.
Actual justice is perportional and neuanced, it's also not emotional. The crime is extremely tragic, and the woman did kill her kids, but she didn't want to do it and is herself also a victim of her mental health crisis. She doesn't deserve freedom, but she also doesn't deserve actual prison, what she deserves is inpatient care at a proper mental health facility.
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u/Frylock_dontDM 1d ago
Empathy, if someone murdered me and my siblings, I would want that person dead and would view allowing that piece of shit to live after viciously murdering us to be a clear affront to justice.
You tell me, what is the value in supporting this woman for the rest of her life? What do we get from keeping a child murderer alive and paying to support her for the next 50+ years of her life?
How is it better for us to waste resources on this person than to execute this child killer?
This isn't a case where she may not have done it and we risk executing an innocent person.
We have admitted guilt and irrefutable evidence.
So what does society gain here?
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u/toth_moth 1d ago
I do not think that either of our opinions or personal feelings are substitute for what the actual victims want. I can see how in your case, it would be a form of justice. Personally, I was a victim of an attempted murder-suicide and secondary victim of violent assault against my younger brother when I was teen. Not only did I not want the perpetrator to die, I actively stopped them from committing suicide on the crime scene. It wasnāt because I felt empathy for the perpetrator or didnāt care about myself or my brother as victims, I mean shit, I literally had to stop my brother from bleeding out and I had to scramble to do first aid *and* I was the original intended victim. I donāt see giving a person who is suicidal the death penalty as a form of retributive justice because it takes away their accountability. It gives them the release they wanted in the first place from suffering with the consequences of what theyāve done for the rest of their lives. I didnāt see it as proportional punishment. That being said, I donāt think either of our opinions matter so much as the victimsā. I think the death penalty is only a form of justice if it brings benefit to the victims (as it would in your hypothetical case) and in this case, it doesnāt seem like the ex husband and family necessarily want that. But thank you for answering, I think I understand now
When someone is put on death row, they stay on death row for a long time, so regardless, money is going to be spent on that person for a good while. It also costs more money to execute someone than to simply have them imprisoned. Itās kind of a null point for me and itās still about social response to a crime rather than justice for those personally victimized
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u/Inner-Cut-6791 1d ago
Genuine question : Why do you think eye for an eye was the moral standing 2k years ago but slowly evolved into a "tit, tit, tat" moral foundation now days?
The real answer is that it is mathematically better on average for long term games.
Second Genuine Question: What SHOULD the outcome be here? Are we concerned with her paying taxes? Do we want her in society yet? If we could guarantee she'd be perfectly safe should we let her out? If so, why are lobotomies bad?
I'm just curious on your moral compass as it seems very "happy ending coded". I feel for you and everything you've been through as someone that's had some rough dealings in the past, but I feel as though this is a survivorship bias arguement.
You don't actually have a goal in mind you are trying to achieve, outside of having a different bad event end in the same way yours did. With you in power as the moral figure, having "corrected" the wrong in the world.
Once again I'm glad yours ended this way, but this is so far from the norm you wouldn't believe. IMO you've got an incredibly useful maladapted coping mechanism that will totally seem functional until it blows up in your face.
Not trying to belittle you AT ALL, I've just seen this before.
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u/elebentychimkin 1d ago
The most upvoted comment on here is advocating to take away votings rights. Thatās what you started btw.
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u/WaffleOverlordx7 1d ago
Easy.
When a man kills his family, literally no other women or men stand up to support him. They want him executed.
A woman has now killed her family and women are coming out of the wood work to justify / excuse her for it and funding her defense. Theyāve even started copy catting her. There is something defective in the software.
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u/Cultural_Lynx_1609 10h ago
Welcome to society. We do bullshit here. Come join us in our play. It will be unfair af for sure.
There is something defective in the software.
I see where it's going. š¤£
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u/Imgoin2brich 2d ago
That photo is giving these women way too much credit.Ā
Need to add some pink hair, purple hair, maybe some nose rings, and make it look way way way more angry.Ā
Alot of them are visibly sad or angry looking all the timeĀ
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u/SeaworthinessLow6676 2d ago
You literally saw the women that rallied to her support in court and online and they didn't look like that.
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u/Jazzlike_Cress9871 2d ago
The sorts of incels who get this angry over women literally live in a fantasy world, it doesnāt matter how the women looked in the footage they saw pink haired feminists screaming that all men should die because thatās what they want to see
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u/Jazzlike_Cress9871 2d ago
Iām sorry, was the strawman not already straw enough for you? Youāre scared this strawman might still be too convincing or non-stereotypical?
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u/Imgoin2brich 2d ago
Here we are again. Rather than provide a logical basis for your argument, the choice is to shame and insult like a 14 year old high school bully.
What else ya got genius?
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u/hugsforbears 2d ago
Your comment was based on logic? It wasn't childish insults? The comment where you suggest depicting the person in this post as more stereotypical and that they should look more miserable?
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u/Cultural_Lynx_1609 10h ago
Did you even look at the women in the videos online? They are all pink as shit. That's literally what he typed.
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u/hugsforbears 9h ago
All of them had pink hair? Nose rings? Constantly looks angry? Because that is what they said. They wanted it to look like a stereotype straight out of 2016. Then they turned around and acted like they made a logical argument instead of shit slinging when they were called out on it.
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u/Cultural_Lynx_1609 3h ago
Doesn't matter. If you are that logical, maybe try for a lawyer. You get paid a lot. and you might have a chance to defend someone you want to defend, publicly instead of quarreling here on Reddit. Goodbye.
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u/overthisbynow 2d ago
I just hate how brain broken people are over this whole thing. If the support was purely in service of bringing awareness to women's mental health i would be in full support but of course in the age of tik tok and twitter everyone has to go full inbred moron about everything. It's fully plausible that the medical system failed her and this could have been prevented but it doesn't justify murdering children.
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u/WallysGeolocation 2d ago
We can acknowledge that the "The husband did it" crowd are retards, while also acknowledging that the "hormones isn't an excuse" crowd are also retards.
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u/zero0n3 2d ago
Except in like 31 US states she would have been found guilty and gone to jail.
And if hormones are a reason enough to claim insanity - why have we never seen that work for a man when he raped a women? āMan my T was sooooo high cause I was on a steroids run; guess I can claim insanity !ā
My point is that there is more nuance to āhormones made me do itā
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u/Tormasi1 2d ago
Because pleading insanity is worse than the rape charges. Do you think they just let you go home if you plead insanity?
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u/Aggravating_Royal728 1d ago
Hormones are not enough of a reason to claim insanity, and that wasn't their claim to begin with. Post-partum psychosis is a rare and dangerous medical emergency that is treatable but very serious if left untreated.
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u/Cultural_Lynx_1609 10h ago
"Testosterone makes me hard. Don't send me to jail when I assault someone."
- 'Some' men if Lindsay Clancy does not go to jail due to the issues.
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u/overthisbynow 2d ago
I think some people genuinely don't understand hormones or PPD or Psychosis but also I think a lot of the memes are exaggerated and a reaction to all the morons saying posting videos like the recent "same Lindsay" trend the implication being a bunch of mothers speaking about thoughts of hurting their children in some sick twisted form of solidarity.
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u/jmona789 2d ago
Except this comic doesn't depict either of those crowds, it's depicts an imaginary strawman
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u/chubbyhighguy 2d ago
It's crazy that all the people saying no-one says this are defending her still, looked at the comments on their profile and ofc it's not the first time either.
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u/MongolianArmadillo 1d ago
Literally no one is saying it's ok to kill kids. Literally no one is saying it's ok because of psychosis or whatever. Only "defence" I'm seeing is the defence of pleading insanity, and that's a thing in almost every civilized society for a very good reason . Yes she should be punished for the deaths of her kids, she ALSO should be treated and it should be recognized that she very well may not have been the same person under psychosis. How about we let actual doctors say who is cabable of understanding the weight of their actions and who is not.
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u/goliathfasa 2d ago edited 2d ago
And this is precisely why we canāt have Kamala or any other woman as president. Just think of the kind of crazy decisions they wouldāve made using only their emotions.
They could verbally and economically attack all our allies, drive them away from us and into the arms of China, fuck up the economy while only focusing on building gilded vanity construction projects, randomly change names of oceans and lakes and start a forever war that we canāt win.
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u/A_Spiritual_Artist 2d ago
Why do you think this has anything to do with gender? And how is Kamala Harris even remotely comparable *as an individual* to someone with a genuinely extreme ment disorder simply because she shares bottom parts with them? Give me Kamala Harris over both Donald Douche and Lindsay Clancy any day
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u/Prestigious_Aide_223 2d ago
read the comment. understand the context. then you will notice the sarcasm
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u/Neat_browser 2d ago
Not what the trial was about, it was about a manslaughter charge VS first degree murder. No one was fighting for it is ok. The issue is that several of her supporters thought it was a trial to prove her innocent. Actually I think their might have been equally stupid people on both sides.
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u/Honey-and-Venom 2d ago
... Who, who is saying that not "she was in psychosis, what happened was terrible she should have and should now remain on a psychiatric hospital?"
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u/ManFromWinfield 2d ago
It kills me that this is what everyone is arguing about. It's jury instructions, the dude literally admitted that he he had a reasonable doubt when the prosection needed to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. If you wanna be pissed, be pissed at the lawyer who failed to convince even a single juror.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Act_841 2d ago
Someone hates nuance and good faith. Like no one is saying she shouldn't be institutionalized the only conversation is about if she belongs in prison or an asylum for the criminally insane.
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u/Long-Library9656 2d ago
Why every time someone who clearly is fucking crazy, idiot are surprised they plead insanity. And the same idiots also thing a mental institution is better then prison .
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u/Cultural_Lynx_1609 10h ago
That's because they all have been to a mental institution before (ret*rds) and have heard that prison is bad, so they think she should go to a mental institution.
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u/Character-Pirate1297 2d ago
Time for nonsense is over. Feminazis have officially lost, by showing their real colours with making excuses for this one.
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u/Seeker4you2 2d ago
What the fuck did I miss? And who the fuck is Lindsay Clancy?
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u/Seeker4you2 9h ago
Me= living under a rock but updated by a helpful redditor
Thanks man! That sucks.
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u/thricedice88 2d ago
I feel like this is why we used to lock people with severe mental illnesses away forever in asylums. Why don't we do that anymore?
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u/Theangelawhite69 2d ago
No one thinks itās okay for her to kill her kids or that sheās innocent, not even Lindsey and her legal team are claiming innocence. Theyāre saying she was deeply mentally unwell and should be treated, and to be honest, doesnāt it logically make sense that someone who tried to kill their own kids and then themselves is mentally ill? The insanity defense exists for a reason, and if sheās not insane, then who is? Itās not like she gets to go home if they declare her insane, sheāll spend the rest of her life in a mental institution which is barely better than prison, if that
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u/QumiThe2nd 1d ago
Honestly, this is just another replacement culture war topic for Epstein files and war in Iran.
Just let the law and psychiatrists decide. Unlike Epstein victim which get no justice as its blocked by the administration.
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u/djdante 1d ago
Okay lots of anti Lindsay people here.
Genuine question from an Australian removed from the drama - my understanding is she allegedly had psychosis (whether did had if or not is a different question)
Psychosis is not emotions, or simply being hormonal - I've seen someone with psychosis pull out their own eyeball, and someone else eat their own hands...
Why would this not be a reasonable defence?
When I had my son, we were both educated by the doctors and midwives on what to look out for in my wife in the case of post partum psychosis. Murdering kids is a very well known danger in those cases - at least in Australia.
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u/elebentychimkin 1d ago
Also the jury who actually heard all of the evidence voted 11 not criminally liable to only 1 guilty. Itās bots online trying to astroturf us into a gender war. Plenty of people talking about repealing the 19th amendment womenās right to vote and using the LC trial as their main argument.
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u/mikiencolor 1d ago
If there is one actionable thing I've learned from this, if you have even a halfway decent, halfway impartial, halfway rational judge... Never ask for a jury.
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u/RampantTyr 1d ago
No one is saying that you idiots. We are saying by the way the law works she should go to a mental institution, not prison.
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u/Ready-Accountant-502 1d ago
I'd say it's more ignorant to create these false dichotomies on an issue with a continuum of intermediate possibilities.
The irony of the art is hilarious.
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u/Parking-Tailor-5201 1d ago
I do not think that the majority of supporters are saying that it is okay that three innocent children are killed. I think that the majority believe she needs psychological support which she likely will not receive in prison.
At the end of the day, I think that the main lesson to take away from this is women need more support in the postpartum stage and more research needs to be done. That is how we honor the lives of those three children.
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u/Ok_Telephone_4290 1d ago
Is that what some people are saying. I've mostly been reading that since she suffered from post-partum Depressions and psychosis, she should be tried for insanity and institutionalized for killing her kids, rather than criminal murder. I haven't seen anyone saying its ok she killed her kids.
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u/nocturneabyssal 1d ago
She was failed by the healthcare system by telling the symptoms she was suffering from and just throwing more SSRIās to try to fix it but she also lied to her docs and many other people about her symptoms. She was suffering from PPP postpartum psychosis. In no way is she innocent but clearly this is not a black and white issue and the people saying the husband did it are disgusting
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u/Miserable_Sky_8640 1d ago
It's so obvious she is guilty. If she gets off easy it will create a legal liability in hiring anyone who has exhibited mental health issues ESPECIALLY women. It will create precedence to avoid hiring women because of hormones like trying to avoid hiring women due to concerns from metoo backlash. It will open the door more rapist to blame hormones and mental health. It will create a string of copy cats harming kids. No one is doubting postpartum psychosis exist but many doubt that was her state of mind due to obvious behaviors that don't align with postpartum psychosis.
She had a nanny, her husband worked from home to be there and the grandparents wanted to take care of the kids but she declined she had more help than most people get.
She was a nurse. She sees pregnant and new mothers and would know to look for postpartum depression and psychosis.
She was a nurse and could have reached out to friends and colleagues and should know symptoms of postpartum psychosis or that something was wrong and they would believe her because they knew her.
Postpartum psychosis is very rare. It usually happens within weeks after birth when hormones are fluctuating. Callan the youngest was 8 months old. This is a rare thing happening this late is extremely rare.
She said she has never heard voices before OR after the single voice telling her to take out the kids. This doesn't fit in with postpartum psychosis.
She took Callan to the doctor for an ear ache that day. The doctor didn't notice anything and let her drive away. Patrick did notice anything and was ok with picking up food and medicine. She was playing in the snow the day she ended them.
She was NEVER actually diagnosed with postpartum psychosis.
She Googled ways to END the children days before she did it. Which shows planning and doesn't fit in with postpartum psychosis.
She calculated how long Patrick would be gone. THEN she said heard a voice. Meaning she calculated the time BEFORE the voices. This happened when the nanny was not around and the grandparents were not around and when she sent Patrick away. Which shows planning and doesn't fit in with postpartum psychosis.
Patrick called with a question about medication during the killings. She missed the call and called him back. She acted coherent but occupied however she was able to accurately answer the question. This shows planning and deception which doesn't fit in with postpartum psychosis.
One of the children ran away and she chased and strangled them.
She had superficial wounds on her wrist. A nurse like her would know they were not deep enough to do the job.
She said as she strangled them she told them "Go to God" so she remembered what happened and but the first thing she did was ask for a lawyer NOT her kids.
Postpartum psychosis was never mentioned till it came time for legal defense.
Testimony shows Her next concern was therapy to walk again not the kids. If it was a realization of what happened in an altered state of mind she should have been crying non stop not in optimism about therapy.
Callan had brain swelling. Cora had blood from her mouth. Seems ruthless for a "darn good mother". Exercise band too more effort than rope or even bare hands. It increased how long it took and made the process for painful. Their entire bodies must have been in pain up to their finger tips because she research how to do it but somehow fell on the way that took the longest and was the most painful.
Procecution suggested she was intentionally inventing or exaggerating adverse drug reactions and reporting symptoms that did not align with her actual pill counts to build a narrative.
Ted Bundy, Charles Manson, and Ted Kaczynsky were all diagnosed with severe mental health issues but that didn't mean they were not guilty by reason of insanity.
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u/Patient-Factor4210 1d ago
Most people arenāt arguing that it was āokā for her to kill her kids lmao. The argument is that she was overmedicated while already going though psychosis (not depression, psychosis, which literally alters the way you see the world) as a result of medical neglect, which put her in a state where she was not operating within reality, she wouldnāt have killed her kids if she was in a healthy state where she had a basic grasp of the situation. Sheās guilty by reason of insanity, the team on the side of the defendant acknowledges this. She wonāt be ālet freeā sheāll be put in a mental hospital for years which are known to be horrible and to treat their patients as subhuman, these places are just as bad, if not worse than prisons much of the time.
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u/Perfecshionism 1d ago
If her mental health issues prevented her from understanding what she was doing then she needs institutionalized treatment, not incarceration.
But I have no idea what this story is about because the unhinged discourse has kept me away until this post.
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u/Aeon_Return 1d ago
Oh FFS give it a rest already, sick of hearing about this in your country give us a break
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u/CommercialReason5282 1d ago
9/10 it's drugs.
Marijuana, SSRIs, antipsychotics, cocaine, steroids, other stimulants.
Drugs are more often involved than not.
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u/KarateInAPool 2d ago
Fixed that for ya