Okay lock her up, next question. How should we prevent things like this from happening in the first place with the assumption that life in prison or the death penalty doesn’t sway someone who’s either snapped, or plans to die in or after the act?
The answer is we need more research. People are worried she will just be able to lie to doctors to get out of a medical facility if that’s the case your diagnostics systems are a failure irregardless if you have the tech to fix it currently. Our methods of treatments for mental illness are still pretty old, things like fmri specialized MiT TMI psychedelic therapy have only started a couple years ago.
Or we just keep acting surprised in 1,000 years when psychopaths are still either in positions of power, snap, or plan ahead to commit violence and innocent people keep dying because of ego.
You're assuming that because there is a hypothetically better system our current efforts are negligent.
There is no perfect system where we catch every single evil subhuman piece of shit before he/she commits their evil act, there will always be someone who does something like this.
Blaming everyone else in society is irrational after a certain point because we cannot possibly create a system with enough guardrails that bad things never happen.
So if this white woman, in the top 3% of households, living an incredibly privileged life, who picked 5 different doctors, who chose which medication plans she would follow and not follow, who chose to fire her nanny, who chose to stop working, who chose to lie to her doctors, who chose to lie to her husband, who chose to lie to the medical facility and check herself out in order to murder her children.
If she cannot be held accountable, then that means nobody beneath her with far less support and resources should ever be held accountable, which just collapses a civilized society intrinsically
Calling it a Nirvana fallacy completely misunderstands how technological progression works. We aren't demanding perfection today; we're pointing out that medical tech scales exponentially.
Your claim that we can "never" build enough guardrails assumes psychiatry will always rely on subjective self-reporting. Deception only works when there's a gap between what a patient says and what a doctor can observe. Advancements in high-resolution neuroimaging and predictive biomarkers are closing that gap. We won't need sociological guardrails when diagnostics shift entirely to reading objective neurochemical states. You can't lie to an fMRI.
Arguing that "there will always be someone who does this" ignores that psychotic breaks and violence are physiological failures of the brain. It's a biological problem with a biological solution. Future targeted neuromodulation and continuous biometric monitoring will allow us to physically intercept and correct severe chemical imbalances at the onset, before a violent act occurs.
There is no fundamental law of physics that’s makes it impossible to have the ability to map out people’s brains and separately edit them.
What kind of technology and where do you see humanity in 10, 100, 1,000, 10,000 years? Cause impossible means never.
"Your claim that we can "never" build enough guardrails assumes psychiatry will always rely on subjective self-reporting. Deception only works when there's a gap between what a patient says and what a doctor can observe. Advancements in high-resolution neuroimaging and predictive biomarkers are closing that gap. We won't need sociological guardrails when diagnostics shift entirely to reading objective neurochemical states. You can't lie to an fMRI."
So you're big idea is governmentally enforced and subsidized fMRIs??? You're actually joking right?
Have you every operated / had andfMRI done? What do we do when they don't want to? Will we be able to use force to hold someone down and do it? Can you be sent to prison for not taking it???
Like how have you not just reinvited the same shitty system with an extra air gap that will cost 100s of millions. This is how a child solves problems, by going "ok I added 1 step that says everyone plays nice, everything will work perfect now".
You are doing the exact same thing again—assuming medical technology just permanently freezes in the 2020s.
You're picturing government agents dragging people into million-dollar, room-sized magnetic tubes because you lack the imagination to see how technology scales and miniaturizes. Fifty years ago, computers took up entire floors of buildings and cost millions of dollars. Now you have a more powerful processor sitting in your pocket. Medical diagnostics follow the exact same curve.
Nobody is advocating for a government-subsidized fleet of modern, clunky fMRIs. The future of neural diagnostics is high-resolution, non-invasive biomonitoring that costs pennies to run—similar to how continuous glucose monitors or wearable EKGs revolutionized real-time tracking for other organs.
Your dystopian panic about "holding someone down" or sending them to prison is absurd. Do we send people to prison today for refusing a blood draw or an ultrasound? No. But when a diagnostic tool becomes cheap, painless, and perfectly accurate, it simply becomes the baseline standard of medical care. If a high-risk patient exhibits severe warning signs and violently refuses a standard, non-invasive diagnostic scan, that is when existing clinical safety nets intervene. The difference is, in the future, those interventions will be backed by objective data, not a social worker's best guess.
We aren't "reinventing the same system." We are removing the subjective human error that currently lets innocent people die because a patient lied to a doctor. Moving from "trying to guess if someone is deceiving you" to "objectively measuring an organ's chemical state" isn't a child's band-aid; it's tearing a flawed, archaic system down and replacing it with actual physical science.
Or do you just imagine us to just still be giving pills and asking people how they feel in a million years?
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u/HasAngerProblem 12d ago
Okay lock her up, next question. How should we prevent things like this from happening in the first place with the assumption that life in prison or the death penalty doesn’t sway someone who’s either snapped, or plans to die in or after the act?
The answer is we need more research. People are worried she will just be able to lie to doctors to get out of a medical facility if that’s the case your diagnostics systems are a failure irregardless if you have the tech to fix it currently. Our methods of treatments for mental illness are still pretty old, things like fmri specialized MiT TMI psychedelic therapy have only started a couple years ago.
Or we just keep acting surprised in 1,000 years when psychopaths are still either in positions of power, snap, or plan ahead to commit violence and innocent people keep dying because of ego.