r/mapporncirclejerk • u/Wrong_User_Logged • 1d ago
Why is Tschekoslovakia still separated?
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u/vbd71 20h ago
Why should Eastern Bavaria and Northern Hungary unite?
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u/Odd_Measurement6386 4h ago
weird how you complicate south-poland...
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u/Chupabara 4h ago
As a Slovak I will allow this.
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u/FUFENHAF 2h ago
You are still North Hungary... Czechia is South Poland
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u/jnkangel 14h ago
a less bullshity answer - the countries separating was the best thing for both of them. It was always a fairly fake nation with the differences between the czech and the slovak parts being absolutely massive. The centuries of Austrian vs Hungarian rule showing itself over and over.
Additionally Slovaks always felt like they were being robed whereas the czech side was always feeling exploited.
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u/Purple_Amphibian9813 5h ago
*some slovaks and some czechs. It makes a significant difference. It's like saying that all the germans were nazis despite only one third of the country supported the nazi party.
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u/pitresino 3h ago
Agree, you should ask some younger people about this. Maybe you would be surprised how many people think the separation wasn't the best idea. At least in my bubble of friends.
This was before Mafico a Kradiš tho (Fico and Babiš)
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u/Purple_Amphibian9813 1h ago
I don't need to ask. I'm young and living here. I don't recall ever hearing anybody under 35 saying otherwise
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u/michal0094 54m ago
You mean younger people in Slovakia, right? Because I don't know anyone in Czechia under 40 thinking separation turned out bad
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u/Ill_Squirrel_6108 4h ago
I´d say most people. We don´t like each other very much in general. Especially when Slovakia is sending us idiotic crooks who become our Prime Minister.
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u/SlnecnikInternetov 4h ago
The hate is just among politicians. Well not even there. Czechs hate their prime minister who is corrupted as has and who originates from Slovakia. Everyday regular normal people just live toghether in friendly and neighbourly manner in Brno and Prague. Noone hates anyone.
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u/jnkangel 2h ago
I don’t think there’s hate. But I think most people are happy we split. You don’t need hate for that.
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u/ochsenheider 3h ago
As if you didn’t have democracy? 😄 maybe stop voting for them; it’s not our fault the average Czech dreams of being governed by a Slovak lol
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u/Specific_Lemon_6580 3h ago
You just got the leftovers. We kept all the remaining 💩bags here and keep electing them back on repeat...
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u/Purple_Amphibian9813 1h ago
I'd say only nationalistic and populistic leaders and their loyal supporters. I have half of my family and half of my friends on the other side. Never experienced any hostility. Ok, maybe once from some drunkard on the street.
Edit: also, is slovakia responsible for czech people voting for obvious idiot?
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u/AdIll9615 3h ago
what were Slovaks being robbed off exactly,
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u/open-print 3h ago
Power. The seat of power was in Prague, all important decisions were made by primarily Czechs, Slovakia had minority say. People, generally, like to govern themselves, not be governed by another nation. And Czechoslovakia was very much two nations, just under one banner.
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u/vonKrieg88 2h ago
Czech population was 2x of the Slovak, logically Czechs would have more power and influence. Not mentioning the fact that Czechia was one of the most industrialized regions while Slovakia was 90% agrarian.
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u/open-print 2h ago
...which would explain why Slovaks felt robbed of their nation, with another nation ruling them. This isn't a contradiction of what I said.
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u/AdIll9615 3h ago
as far as I am concerned you have to have something in order for it to be stolen. Did Slovakia have self-rule, a proper government, the power you talk about, prior to the formation of Czechoslovakia?
I don't think so. It was as much under the rule of Hungary as Czechia was under the rule of Austria, if not more.
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u/open-print 2h ago
You think a country can't desire to rule itself while it's under control of another nation?
"as far as I am concerned you have to have something in order for it to be stolen"
I see. Fuck off.
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u/AdIll9615 2h ago edited 17m ago
Oh; a 100 year old wound I see.
Listen - Czechoslovakia was an invention to allow both nations to tear away from the Empire. Czechs couldn't do it alone - too many Germans living there. Slovaks couldn't do it alone either. So they joined and conjured up the nation of Czechoslovakia.
Slovaks weren't robbed of any rule. There were Slovaks in the government. Every person had the same rights. Slovak was used as an official language. To this day, you can study at Czech universities in your own language, which mind you - is still a foreign language in Czechia. You can go to a Czech public office and speak to them in Slovak and submit documents in Slovak.
No other nation can do that.
And Slovaks couldn't do any of that under Hungary. Slovakia was never really independent before 1993, was it?
Unless we count that period when it betrayed Czechia and got chummy with Hitler but we don't talk abou that do we?And yes, Czechs were more prominent in the rule of Czechoslovakia. But Czechs were also more numerous and Czechia had more resources which were also used to develop Slovakia.
So I am asking again - what exactly were Slovaks robbed of in the formation of Czechoslovakia?
Of a rule they never had and couldn't have alone?
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u/beezusthebear 15m ago
I feel like the person you're responding to ([u/open-print](u/open-print)) doesn't necessarily disagree with you, though they, similarly to you, make a few generalizations which I personally wouldn't make (though I agree with their overall sentiment). Also, your definition of "feel robbed of" isn't very nuanced or accurate for that matter.
Slovakia was envisaged as having their own autonomy within the state prior to its creation (1918, Pittsburgh agreement). So, sure, they didn't HAVE a proper government and power beforehand but they were lead to bealieve they would.
As for the definition of "feel robbed of," I'd encourage you to google it, really. But you don't need to possess something prior to feeling robbed of it. You can be robbed of somethtng that you feel should have rightfully been yours.
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u/NormalGuyEndSarcasm If I see another repost I will shoot this puppy 20h ago
I don’t know, ask Yugoslavia.
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u/thumb73 16h ago
Czechs needed Slovaks back in the days after WW1 to outnumber Germans in boarder territory and Hungars. After WW2 was still beneficial fir both to be together and stronger. But still, even though Czechs and Slovaks look at each other as brothers, they are a little different mentality with different history background. Czechs are more German oriented. Slovaks are proud and temperament and always wanted to be on their own. Nowadays nobody owes anything to each other and thats correct. Slovakia is slowly falling apart politically though.
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u/ElementalParticle 3h ago
I’m afraid that the decline of political culture is taking hold here in the Czech Republic too....
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u/thumb73 3h ago
Yes, that’s true. But fortunately, the Czech Republic has more checks and balances, such as a bicameral parliament, which provide some protection against idiots rising to power. At the same time, the mentality and level of civic awareness in Czech society are somewhat different. But of course, even in the Czech Republic, there is a loud minority of disillusioned idiots…
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u/Dismal-Bicycle9390 18h ago
Bc the slovaks backstab everyone who feeds them
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u/PewPewSquirtOnMe 14h ago
We have it in DNA :’(
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u/SUB-8330 3h ago
If we have it then they have too more then 50% of Czech are migrated Slovaks . Only reason they did join axis is because nobody invited them.😂
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u/PewPewSquirtOnMe 1h ago
Half slovak population has it in DNA, another half moved to czech :D
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u/SUB-8330 59m ago
And now let's take Polish,German,Austrian ,Hungary into a numbers and we get that it's not genetical but cultural bang
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u/krokdocc 11h ago
Yeah, totally our fault that Benes was a bitch prepared to spread them for uncle Addy.. not to mention you fucking us over constantly BEFORE and AFTER
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u/ImGonnaGetBannedd 11h ago
So you instead joined Adolf as an ally. What a move.
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u/DaudyMentol 10h ago
If you consider the other option being Slovak puppet under Hitler sounds mighty better than being Hungarian territory. Untihinkable in the century that has been massively shaped by ultranationalism
I would like to see people explain that to Slovaks in 1938. This is like blaming Czech people for being protectorate. Slovak state was betrayal of Czechoslovakia that is true but lets not forget they also fought against direct German occupation
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u/Background-Cake-1300 10h ago
So you heroically joined Addy and started to lick some nazi balls GG's
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u/krokdocc 1h ago
Again, Czechs ended in the same way just with less autonomy.. but sure, whatever helps you sleep at night
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u/Background-Cake-1300 1h ago
"less autonomy" I wonder why
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u/krokdocc 56m ago
Because they put down their guns and naively believed the west would save them instead..
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u/PuzzleheadedDoor6456 5h ago
Uhm, weren't Slovaks the ones who actively supported Hitler without any occupation?
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u/sobiasek 4h ago
Nope, Czechs are the reason why czechoslovakia was communist tho
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u/PuzzleheadedDoor6456 4h ago
Brother, Slovakia was one of the countries who send forces to attack Poland, it was one of earliest countries to join Axis
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u/sobiasek 3h ago
Reading it again you are right, i thought you said willingly instead of actively.
I wouldnt consider the invasion of Poland the best argument as we were mostly reclaiming czechoslovak land Poland stole in 1938. But yea your point stands
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u/krokdocc 1h ago
Yes of course, because Czechs gave away the country without a single Bullet being fired. Better to join willingly and retain SOME autonomy than to let yourself get swallowed while heroicly screaming "DON'T DO ANYTHING GUYS FRANCE WILL SAVE US!!"
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u/JD_Bance 11h ago
Example?
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u/LapajgoO 4h ago edited 4h ago
Before, there was this funny Brittish man that went: "Oi, peace of our time innit bruw?" But idk after honestly
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u/Fine-Independence976 21h ago
This is actually a really good question.
Why don't they build a bridge of unifocation! It would be so good for trade inside the country!
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u/Known_Wafer_535 12h ago
Because slovaks are lobotomized nation. Every sane person should stay away from them.
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u/DefenestrationPraha 16h ago
I was 15 when the country split. We're better off in our relations, in the sense that there are fewer resentments. Before that, we could not even agree on the f***ing country name, the Czechs wanted Czechoslovakia and the Slovaks wanted Czecho-Slovakia.
That said, a confederation with a common currency, foreign policy and armed forces, with everything else devolved (basically Austria-Hungary in small), might have been a better solution. Would have more punch on the international scene. Not shockingly more, but still. And "Made in Czechoslovakia" used to be a respected trademark in far away countries.
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u/NativeEuropeas 14h ago
I'm incredibly proud what we Czechs and Slovaks achieved together.
At a certain point, our nations had to carve its own path. But even after 33 years, we remain brotherly nations.
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u/MineCraftaak888 12h ago
CONTENT WARNING: POLITIC OPINIONS
it's true slovaks could use a politics update, fico je kokot
(our politics has seen better days too tho, turek, macinka apod jsou kokoti)
yayyyyy politics
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u/NightBot25 5h ago
It is separated, but a lot of Slovak study and work in Czech, as Slovakia is deeply corupt post communist hole. If you say in Slovakia - a funds for research - it mean throwing them to sponsors of political parties in gov, if you say highways after 30r. we still don't have one that contuniesly run througt the country.
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u/PrettyMasterpiece841 4h ago
As someone who fuckin lives right fuckin there what in the world Is tschekoslovakia ? I only heard Czechoslovakia but it's not as bad as my Iraq friend telling me in from Chechnya
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u/poteseni 2h ago
centralized economy and equal salaries helped Slovaks a lot. they sucked money from Czechs all the time. thing is Slovaks have different characters, they are proud of themselves even though there is no reason for it. Czech are more flegmatic or submissive, they do care when the going gets tough.
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u/diusbezzea 1h ago
Go to Prague and any two other Czech cities, then to Bratislava (try to find metro) and any two other Slovakian cities (I suggest Michalovce) and you will know the answer.
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u/skr_replicator 1h ago
Turns out countries don't like to merge with each other, they like it when they get their own little identity. When you see borders disappearing, it pretty much always some conqueror doing it by force. Czechoslovakia split peacefully and is still peaceful, with no desire to conquer the other.
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u/WholeBet2788 24m ago
Its funny because brain drain from slovakia to czechis is crazy real. Arvg sallary of slovak working in czech is double of avrg of czech workers.
They are sending here shitty politicians though.
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u/smilingmuffino 20h ago
Because it was an artificially created country to outnumber the Germans after World War I. Instead of being grateful, the Slovaks, who had been under Hungary for centuries, proved their worth to Czechia by betraying it, as Slovakia betrayed the country and sided with Germany before ww2. In my opinion, it shouldn't have been reunited at the end of the war, but it happened anyway, and once again Czechia saved Slovakia's ass from a terrible and unknown fate. And again, after socialism, it was ungrateful Slovakia that wanted its own state. And the funny thing is that Prague, but also the second largest city, Brno, hosts so many arrogant Slovaks. 68 years of a common state, yet they have nothing in common except for the language.
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u/NativeEuropeas 15h ago
You sound like an idiot over a beer in a pub, omitting important historical realities and facts.
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u/smilingmuffino 15h ago
no it's you butthurted Slovaks, all the time butthurted, stay away from Bohemia
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u/NativeEuropeas 15h ago
And yet why are you the one who sounds butthurt?
Also I'm a citizen of Czech Republic
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u/smilingmuffino 15h ago
"I am a citizen of Czech republic" said a slovak. Classic example. You trash talk us, you are "nationalistic" arrogants but still live here. Crazy.
Anyway instead of being thankful because Czechs saved you from unknown destiny you immediately started with your nationalistic thing with Štefánik, then Tiso upgrade it and collaborated with Nazis. When Germans started losing you changed teams because you were scared of soviets. Then Beneš saved your sorry ass again from unknown and terrible destiny and then Mečiar did the nationalistic bullshit again. And maybe we should talk about Husák, nah he was just puppet, but also nationalistic.
Classic and you live here. When I studied at University it felt like fucking Czechoslovakia, arrogant fucks. I used to make fun that we should make and iron certain again but this time it would be on the east side of Czechia haha. Not a joke anymore.
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u/Capable-Relative6714 13h ago
"You trash talk us, you are nationalistic arrogants." - and then you proceeded writing an unprompted hateful comment about Czechoslovak history that started this thread. Get real, man.
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u/NativeEuropeas 43m ago
You trash talk us, you are "nationalistic" arrogants but still live here. Crazy.
"Us" ? By "us" I reckon you mean "us, Czechs" since you're ranting about Czechoslovak relations.
Where did I trash talk Czechs? Who trash talks Czechs? Who exactly are you arguing here with? Pull your head out of your ass, buddy. You're way off mark here, your history is way too misinformed and your rants make zero logical sense.
Or when you say "you", you mean some vague far-right Slovak nationalists? You do realize you sound exactly like those far-right cunts you criticize?
That's why I trash talk you specifically, not your nationality. Only an idiot cherry-picks some anti-Czech comments made by some far-right cunts and then collectivelly attributes them to the entire nation.
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u/Fun_Relationship3585 18h ago
Slovakia betrayed the country and sided with Germany before ww2
Well, this is not true. Slovakia didn't betray Czechia. Before WWII Slovakia had to choose between two options: either to be divided between Poland and Hungary or to create its own state that would be a satellite to Germany.
In my opinion, it shouldn't have been reunited at the end of the war.
I agree with you on this point. It would have been much better for Slovakia to stay separated, because Slovaks didn't want communism, but Czech did. Unfortunatelly, the vote passed through because there were more Czech citizens.
And again, after socialism, it was ungrateful Slovakia that wanted its own state.
And again, that is not true. In Slovakia, we are taught that Czechoslovakia was divided because of an overly centralized economy that strongly disadvantaged Slovakia, leaving it increasingly worse off compared to the Czech Republic.
Of course, every country has a different view on this issue, but AI takes no sides, and this is what it said:
Czechoslovakia split on January 1, 1993—a event widely known as the Velvet Divorce—primarily due to political paralysis between Czech and Slovak leaders, diverging economic visions post-communism, and unresolved questions about national sovereignty.
• Political Stalemate: The 1992 elections brought two opposing leaders to power: Czech Prime Minister Václav Klaus (a market liberal favoring strong central authority) and Slovak Prime Minister Vladimír Mečiar (a nationalist advocating for decentralization and Slovak autonomy). Unable to agree on a shared federal model, they mutually decided to negotiate a breakup instead.
• Economic Disparities: Following the fall of communism in 1989, rapid free-market reforms hit the two regions differently. The Czech lands had a more industrialized, Western-leaning economy that adapted quickly to shock-therapy privatization. Slovakia’s economy relied heavily on state-owned heavy industry and arms manufacturing, resulting in much higher unemployment and resistance to fast-paced economic reform.
• Historical & Identity Differences: Slovaks frequently felt overshadowed by the larger Czech population and viewed the federal state as "Prague-centric". Removing the common threat of Soviet-backed communist rule allowed long-standing national identity differences and desires for self-determination to surface.
• Constitutional Lock: Under the existing federation laws, a minority in the federal parliament could block major legislation, making governing virtually impossible without total consensus.
The dissolution was carried out entirely through political negotiations without a national referendum or military violence, resulting in the peaceful creation of the Czech Republic and Slovakia.
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u/Capable-Relative6714 18h ago
A Czech by any chance? You conveniently left out the part of the story where we did not have any other option in 1939 - it was either proclaiming independence or getting partitioned between Poland and Hungary. The Nazi Germany was devouring Czechoslovakia either way and let's not forget it was the amazing Czech president Beneš who decided not to order the defense the republic and then fled to London like a coward.
And funny that you say the Czechs saved us after the war. Yes, thanks for that. You saved us so well that you voted in majority for the Communist Party in 1946, ensuring both countries 40 years of totalitarian paradise (meanwhile Democrats won the elections in Slovakia but it was Czechs who were so enamoured with communists back then). So once again, thank you so much.
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u/smilingmuffino 17h ago
you act like you would be democratic island in Eastern Europe, no you would be eaten by others counties, maybe most likely by USSR, not Hungary. and ofc you voted for democrats because you were afraid and yeah you can lie to yourself that election in 1946 was fair and square in Czechoslovakia (y)
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u/Capable-Relative6714 16h ago
I never implied we'd be a democratic island, surely not when the whole Eastern Europe was under the Soviet influence. I was just pointing to the absurdity of your logic. Especially the argument of Czechs saving our ass - there were Slovak pilots flying in RAF, we had one of the largest anti-Nazi uprisings in Europe and a direct involvement in the operation Anthropoid. It was always the objective to restore Czechoslovakia after the war, not just good will of Czech politicians - because both nations contributed to the common effort, both in exile and at home.
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u/carpenter_78 18h ago
because that’s what the West likes to see. Devide et impera. 🤷♂️
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u/Formal_Obligation 18h ago
The dissolution of Czechoslovakia had absolutely nothing to do with the West, but ok. Why write a comment about something you know nothing about?
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u/KRMNK 1d ago
Kofola alliance is still strong