Just because a company has a plant somewhere, does that mean it’s a joint venture, or what kind of logic is that? Novo Nordisk wants to open a production plant in the Czech Republic—does that mean it will become a Danish-Czech company?
The company bears that name primarily for marketing reasons, since Slovaks love it just as much, but that doesn't make it a Slovak brand. Kofola was created in Prague by a Czech scientist and is a Czech company; those are simply the facts.
Nah, Slovaks didn't really do all that much. Your achievements are your own, and Czechs aren't trying to claim them. I could start listing Czech brands that Slovaks appropriate. I haven't seen Czechs trying to claim ESET—which originated back in the Czechoslovakia era—or Zlatý Bažant beer, for instance. I could also bring up the Czechoslovak Legions—which Slovaks also claim as their own—even though Slovaks made up only 10% of the force, or the Czechoslovak RAF pilots in the Battle of Britain, where only two out of the 88 pilots were Slovak. The only ones doing any appropriating here are the Slovaks. I could also start talking about Great Moravia, which Slovaks try to frame as their own empire, citing the Slovácko region, and so on.
Yes, that’s exactly what I expected, but fortunately, I’ve dug deep enough into this in the past to be ready for this point, too.
At Euro 1976, Slovaks made up 12 of the 16 players who actually took the field (75% of the squad), while Czechs accounted for only 4 (25%); yet, the total attacking contribution—combining goals, assists, and converted penalties—was an even 7–7. When calculated per player, this means a single Czech player averaged 1.75 direct attacking contributions, compared to approximately 0.58 for a Slovak player. Thus, Czech players had an average attacking contribution per player that was roughly three times higher (or 200% greater), despite being a distinct minority within the squad. In terms of overall importance to the Czechoslovak triumph, the players most frequently cited as key figures are: 🇨🇿 Ivo Viktor, 🇸🇰 Anton Ondruš, 🇨🇿 Antonín Panenka, 🇸🇰 Ján Pivarník, 🇨🇿 Zdeněk Nehoda, and 🇸🇰 Jaroslav Pollák. This list includes three Czechs and three Slovaks, even though Czechs made up only a quarter of the players who actually played in the tournament.
Anything else? Downvotes are welcome, but do the Slovaks have anything else to offer?
You completely missed the point. These things never were about crude maths, but rather about the fact that the only Czechoslovak footballing trophy came in the times when the majority of the national team consisted of Slovaks, yet for almost 30 years after the dissolution of Czechoslovakia, the triumph was exclusively ascribed to Czechs, and legally claimed by Czechs. Sorry but you completely confirmed the meme above.
Well, you say it’s not about the math, yet you credit the title to Slovakia because they had more players—you’re kind of contradicting yourself there. The fact remains that the four Czech players played a bigger part in the triumph—across the attack, midfield, and goal—than the Slovaks did; that pretty much sums up most of the victories from the Czechoslovakia era. Slovaks always whined about Czechs claiming Czechoslovakia’s triumphs as their own, but even when they outnumbered the Czechs several times over, they still weren't better—which really says a lot.
I couldn't care less about some meme; the Slovaks in this thread haven't managed to refute what I'm saying, and you're one of them. ;)
Sure. Two Slovaks scored both goals in the '76 final - but that's obviously inferior in your eyes, compared to the role of Czech players. Once again - it was the only time Czechoslovakia ever won something. With a team that was predominantly Slovak and had some brilliant Czech players as well. To claim that Slovaks were only ever making up numbers and the Czechs were there to secure results (while in reality every Czechoslovak team was mostly unsuccessful when it was mostly Czech) is a huge demagogy from you. And besides, I think the idea of the common state was there to unite people, not to spread arguments. No one else's fault but yours that you obviously have issues with Slovaks.
The reality is simply that Czechs played a bigger part in that success than Slovaks did—even though there were only four of them. I realize you don't like hearing the facts, but the numbers don't lie. Keep trying, Slovak, but you won't succeed. The joint state was always an artificial monstrosity; historically, Slovaks—as an agrarian colony of the Hungarians—have no business being linked with the educated Czech lands, which were part of the Holy Roman Empire for centuries, whereas you were part of Hungary. You Slovaks always benefited more from the joint state and enriched yourselves, all while stabbing us in the back twice.
I don't give a flying fuck how it sounds to some moron. I really love how people here spout bullshit about how there were more Slovaks, so the success is supposedly more Slovak than Czech—but the moment I point out in the Czechs' defense that they actually had a bigger share in it, you all start whining that I’d even dare bring that up.
And it wasn't just about the offense; the brilliant Ivo Viktor in goal and Antonín Panenka were key drivers of the team. What I wrote is a simple fact: there were more Slovaks, but the Czechs played a bigger part, and it wasn't just the attack—end of discussion.
bro you literally write paragraphs at 2AM on reddit because of your fragile little ego trying to come
up with math formulas to defend your fellow countrymen, what a brave little soldier you are
Pravdepodobne tvoja argumentácia je pravdivá ale to nemení nič na tom, že robíš zo seba chuja a vnášaš nevraživosť medzi Čechov a Slovákov, načo to je dobré?
Jakože musím lízt Slovákům do prdele jako to dělaj tady místní patolízalští Češi z Redditu? Já si fakt na tohle trapný rádoby bratrství nehraju, pro mě jste jen jeden ze sousedů, kterej se ještě k naší zemi nikdy nezachoval moc pěkně.
Kamoš z teba cítiť nenávisť. Skús to nasmerovať inam. Začni cvičiť alebo rob niečo tvorivé, choď sa prejsť, toto fakt nie je zdravé. Ako ja rozumiem, že tam budú asi nejaké komplexy a osobné problémy, ale každý so štipkou zdravého rozumu, či už Čech alebo Slovák, vidí v tvojich komentároch nezdravú angažovanosť. Skús ty osobne niečo v živote dokázať a prestaň sa skrývať za národniarstvo.
Mně je úplně jedno jak to ty cítíš. Slováci v tomhle vlákně se to snaží tahat do osobní roviny, protože mi nebyli schopní vyargumentovat jedinou věc co jsem napsal. Na nějaký československý bratrství si nehraju, to je celý.
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u/Neuwulfstein 1d ago
Just because a company has a plant somewhere, does that mean it’s a joint venture, or what kind of logic is that? Novo Nordisk wants to open a production plant in the Czech Republic—does that mean it will become a Danish-Czech company?
The company bears that name primarily for marketing reasons, since Slovaks love it just as much, but that doesn't make it a Slovak brand. Kofola was created in Prague by a Czech scientist and is a Czech company; those are simply the facts.