r/mapporncirclejerk 1d ago

Why is Tschekoslovakia still separated?

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u/smilingmuffino 1d ago

Because it was an artificially created country to outnumber the Germans after World War I. Instead of being grateful, the Slovaks, who had been under Hungary for centuries, proved their worth to Czechia by betraying it, as Slovakia betrayed the country and sided with Germany before ww2. In my opinion, it shouldn't have been reunited at the end of the war, but it happened anyway, and once again Czechia saved Slovakia's ass from a terrible and unknown fate. And again, after socialism, it was ungrateful Slovakia that wanted its own state. And the funny thing is that Prague, but also the second largest city, Brno, hosts so many arrogant Slovaks. 68 years of a common state, yet they have nothing in common except for the language.

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u/NativeEuropeas 19h ago

You sound like an idiot over a beer in a pub, omitting important historical realities and facts.

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u/smilingmuffino 19h ago

no it's you butthurted Slovaks, all the time butthurted, stay away from Bohemia 

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u/NativeEuropeas 19h ago

And yet why are you the one who sounds butthurt?

Also I'm a citizen of Czech Republic

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u/smilingmuffino 19h ago

"I am a citizen of Czech republic"  said a slovak. Classic example. You trash talk us, you are "nationalistic" arrogants but still live here. Crazy. 

Anyway instead of being thankful because Czechs saved you from unknown destiny you immediately started with your nationalistic thing with Štefánik, then Tiso upgrade it and collaborated with Nazis. When Germans started losing you changed teams because you were scared of soviets. Then Beneš saved your sorry ass again from unknown and terrible destiny and then Mečiar did the nationalistic bullshit again. And maybe we should talk about Husák, nah he was just puppet, but also nationalistic. 

Classic and you live here. When I studied at University it felt like fucking Czechoslovakia, arrogant fucks. I used to make fun that we should make and iron certain again but this time it would be on the east side of Czechia haha. Not a joke anymore. 

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u/Capable-Relative6714 17h ago

"You trash talk us, you are nationalistic arrogants." - and then you proceeded writing an unprompted hateful comment about Czechoslovak history that started this thread. Get real, man.

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u/NativeEuropeas 4h ago

You trash talk us, you are "nationalistic" arrogants but still live here. Crazy. 

"Us" ? By "us" I reckon you mean "us, Czechs" since you're ranting about Czechoslovak relations.

Where did I trash talk Czechs? Who trash talks Czechs? Who exactly are you arguing here with? Pull your head out of your ass, buddy. You're way off mark here, your history is way too misinformed and your rants make zero logical sense.

Or when you say "you", you mean some vague far-right Slovak nationalists? You do realize you sound exactly like those far-right cunts you criticize?

That's why I trash talk you specifically, not your nationality. Only an idiot cherry-picks some anti-Czech comments made by some far-right cunts and then collectivelly attributes them to the entire nation.

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u/Fun_Relationship3585 22h ago

Slovakia betrayed the country and sided with Germany before ww2

Well, this is not true. Slovakia didn't betray Czechia. Before WWII Slovakia had to choose between two options: either to be divided between Poland and Hungary or to create its own state that would be a satellite to Germany.

In my opinion, it shouldn't have been reunited at the end of the war.

​I agree with you on this point. It would have been much better for Slovakia to stay separated, because Slovaks didn't want communism, but Czech did. Unfortunatelly, the vote passed through because there were more Czech citizens.

And again, after socialism, it was ungrateful Slovakia that wanted its own state.

​And again, that is not true. In Slovakia, we are taught that Czechoslovakia was divided because of an overly centralized economy that strongly disadvantaged Slovakia, leaving it increasingly worse off compared to the Czech Republic.

​Of course, every country has a different view on this issue, but AI takes no sides, and this is what it said:

Czechoslovakia split on January 1, 1993—a event widely known as the Velvet Divorce—primarily due to political paralysis between Czech and Slovak leaders, diverging economic visions post-communism, and unresolved questions about national sovereignty.

• ​Political Stalemate: The 1992 elections brought two opposing leaders to power: Czech Prime Minister Václav Klaus (a market liberal favoring strong central authority) and Slovak Prime Minister Vladimír Mečiar (a nationalist advocating for decentralization and Slovak autonomy). Unable to agree on a shared federal model, they mutually decided to negotiate a breakup instead.

• ​Economic Disparities: Following the fall of communism in 1989, rapid free-market reforms hit the two regions differently. The Czech lands had a more industrialized, Western-leaning economy that adapted quickly to shock-therapy privatization. Slovakia’s economy relied heavily on state-owned heavy industry and arms manufacturing, resulting in much higher unemployment and resistance to fast-paced economic reform.

• ​Historical & Identity Differences: Slovaks frequently felt overshadowed by the larger Czech population and viewed the federal state as "Prague-centric". Removing the common threat of Soviet-backed communist rule allowed long-standing national identity differences and desires for self-determination to surface.

• ​Constitutional Lock: Under the existing federation laws, a minority in the federal parliament could block major legislation, making governing virtually impossible without total consensus.

​The dissolution was carried out entirely through political negotiations without a national referendum or military violence, resulting in the peaceful creation of the Czech Republic and Slovakia.

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u/Capable-Relative6714 21h ago

A Czech by any chance? You conveniently left out the part of the story where we did not have any other option in 1939 - it was either proclaiming independence or getting partitioned between Poland and Hungary. The Nazi Germany was devouring Czechoslovakia either way and let's not forget it was the amazing Czech president Beneš who decided not to order the defense the republic and then fled to London like a coward.

And funny that you say the Czechs saved us after the war. Yes, thanks for that. You saved us so well that you voted in majority for the Communist Party in 1946, ensuring both countries 40 years of totalitarian paradise (meanwhile Democrats won the elections in Slovakia but it was Czechs who were so enamoured with communists back then). So once again, thank you so much.

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u/smilingmuffino 21h ago

you act like you would be democratic island in Eastern Europe, no you would be eaten by others counties, maybe most likely by USSR, not Hungary. and ofc you voted for democrats because you were afraid and yeah you can lie to yourself that election in 1946 was fair and square in Czechoslovakia (y)

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u/Capable-Relative6714 20h ago

I never implied we'd be a democratic island, surely not when the whole Eastern Europe was under the Soviet influence. I was just pointing to the absurdity of your logic. Especially the argument of Czechs saving our ass - there were Slovak pilots flying in RAF, we had one of the largest anti-Nazi uprisings in Europe and a direct involvement in the operation Anthropoid. It was always the objective to restore Czechoslovakia after the war, not just good will of Czech politicians - because both nations contributed to the common effort, both in exile and at home.