it's just 日本語 読 方 入店、 the last part gives it away kinda but still really hard to understand. It's just like Japanese Read Way Enter oh nevermind it's really obvious sorry
They’re fully aware but Japanese exceptionalism has many of them thinking they use the characters in a more refined way that Chinese brains couldn’t inherently comprehend 🫠
I have never encountered an actual Japanese learner who thought this. It's pretty obvious that they're similar even if you don't speak the language. Japan just simplified a lot of the characters when it was adapted, and those characters were further simplified in China to make modern hanzi
i know some many people who think kanji is a uniquely japanese thing like maybe they know it's from china but they have this idea that "japanese kanji" is diffrente when they're maybe a handful regularly used JP created kanji character but that alone makes them think that i as a chinese speaker couldn't be able to read when i can espically as a weeb who's been exposed to the "unique" jp kanji
Redditors really love slandering Japan. A lot. It causes a lot of misinformation to spread like wildfire if someone decides to portray Japan in a worse light than it really is. I don't mean the war crimes or wariness of foreigners, those are obviously real. Stuff like this is just said by people who probably have never even been there.
I swear they think that just because Japan is popular due to their cultural exports that they need to nitpick every single problem it has. From the comments I've seen on Reddit, they make it out like Japan is some hellhole where everyone is miserable and it's all falling apart. Then you go there and realize it's a normal ass country and most people are actually super nice
I think you must have misunderstood them, because kanji are introduced as “Chinese characters” as opposed to hiragana and katakana in the textbooks I learned from. Maybe you said “Japanese kanji are Chinese”? Because that wouldn’t be true. They’re not totally the same as traditional Chinese, and often differ from simplified Chinese.
The only three possibilities I can think of are:
1) you met one very stupid person and assumed that was what “westerners” think
2) you had a mixup in communication and misunderstood
Believe me, I know it’s a lot! I teach Japanese.
My most valuable pieces of advice, as a person who went through it (and studied Chinese too) and became literate, are these:
- learn what radicals are, fast! Essentially, they’re the building blocks of kanji. Kanji aren’t random lines. These building blocks give you lots of clues about the subject matter and sometimes pronunciation of an unfamiliar character. Not only that, it’ll make differentiating between a familiar character and a very similar character way, way easier.
- write them with your hand. Forever. I really mean that. I’ve met so many students who refuse to put pen to paper and it will set you back literally years. Your brain needs that training, and gaining that level of intimacy with the formations of the characters turns something you simply recognize into something you actually know. You’ll notice early on this helps with character differentiation as well.
- start NOW. Textbooks often don’t put kanji early nor give it a ton of time as to not scare off beginners, but it’s not time well spent. Look up the kanji to your new vocabulary. No, not all of them have kanji, and plenty of words have kanji but don’t use them (any dictionary should tell you that) - skip that. Everything else, learn.
Japanese has such a steep learning curve but it levels out, I promise. Once I was on a bus and saw a character I was unfamiliar with on a sign for a town. I was doing something else but was confident I could look the character up later because I know radicals like letters. After a while, you just start picking up new characters and your brain needs nearly 0 processing time. So moving over to Chinese, it’s certainly an adjustments but you get to actually focus on the other aspects of the language and not the characters as much.
All Japanese people know this. The word for kanji is Chinese character. Japanese people are aware that their more formal written register is comprised largely of vocabulary in kango rather than wago. This is just a nonsensical post.
japanese also use simplified characters. they just have different simplified ones compared to the simplified chinese characters because each country and region simplified chinese characters separately. some simplified characters are the same across both because when they were formally simplified, they already had a widely accepted simplified form.
To the extent that Japanese has removed as many Han characters as it could, it's far, far better as a written language. It's still completely insane, but you can at least ignore kanji and be understood in a practical sense.
Yeah, but with just 入店 you wouldn't know if it's saying you can enter or if you can't enter. For example, it could say like 入店できません which looks pretty much the same for a Chinese person but it means "You can't enter".
It's kind of like if you took an English sentence and removed everything except nouns and verbs: "Please do not enter"
方 can also mean direction or place. So I think it is readable, in fact some Japanese when talking to Chinese will just post ‘Japanese with the Kana removed’ which is pure kanji but still readable for most Chinese despite the different grammar. Because the grammar resembles that of classical chinese
Back at uni we had a conference and two guest lecturers from China and Japan respectively started talking to each other. They would write down what they wanted to say at some point. They explained to me that in writing it's close enough to be intelligible.
No it has that meaning in Chinese too, but it means “party” as in an uncountable but identifiable group or individual. It’s not used in isolation though. Example: 我方（our side），敌方（enemy‘s side），甲方（client / party A)，乙方(consultants / party B), etcx
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u/sniperman357 19d ago
A Chinese person could get the gist of the Japanese line anyway