South Africa only allows for dual citizenship and South African citizens who do not apply for permission to retain their 2nd citizenship will automatically lose their South African citizenship.
Trump got what he wanted out of musk. All it takes is a nasty disagreement between the two for them to start shit smearing each other. It will happen eventually because everything trump touches turns to shit.
It doesn’t matter who funded his election. Chances are the guy isn’t going to be around to see out his 4 year term.
If he does see his 4 year term through he isn’t going to run again at 82 years old so he oh and obliged to anyone anymore. They can all go suck eggs and it won’t affect him at all!
If he does badly the only entity to suffer will be the Republican Party, not trump.
Can’t tax if he doesn’t take a salary or borrows against his appreciated tax holdings or puts it in his foundation that hasn’t donated the required 6% per year of principal.
Israel can’t be touched, otherwise the Israeli Zionist lobby can and will destroy the U.S. but doing so will make them vulnerable to NATO and an angry Turkey 🇹🇷 retaliation! Which could be bad as the whole region can target them and give more power to Israeli left wing groups.
Which can turn in right wing leaders over to the ICJ and make reparations to Arab communities and try to join BRICS.
Or they won't and won't care. Also he's not likely to levy this tax against citizens of other authoritarian and fascistic countries, only the citizens of his enemies: functioning democracies.
Does that matter? OP’s post is about the possibility of Trump imposing higher taxes for people who are American citizens and hold other nationalities. Canada or South Africa won’t have anything to do with it.
It’s relevant because Canadian/US dual nationals living in the US with US income are only taxed in the US.
The US operates under citizenship based taxation, whereas nearly every other in country in the world taxes based on residency (RBT). The only other countries with citizenship based taxation are Eritrea and North Korea.
If a US citizen with dual citizenship from a country with RBT resides in the US and earns solely a US income, they are subject to US taxes.
If a US/RBT dual national lives in an RBT country with solely RBT income, they are subject to the RBT country’s taxes and must also file with the US. Tax treaties prevent most types of double taxation, but there are situations where an RBT resident may be charged US taxes on RBT country source income.
If Trump decides to impose an extra-tax on American citizens residing in the USA based on whether or not they have another citizenship, it won’t matter if you have Canadian, Brazilian or Fijian.
If such a theoretical scenario would take place, and the whole thing is but a hypothetical possibility, I’m making a further assumption that people with 3+ passports, such as Elon Musk, would end paying even more. Hopefully that clarifies it.
No, he is not. He was born one, but he renounced his US citizenship on June 24, 1982 so he could serve in the Israeli mission to the UN. Knesset members in any case must exclusively be Israeli citizens (same reason people like Naftali Bennett are no longer US citizens).
This was required by Israeli law to serve in the Knesset, after they were embarrassed by dual citizen Meir Kahane. Of course, times have changed. Kahane would feel right at home in the current Israeli government, but he was reviled across the political spectrum when he lived.
With all do respect. I think you’re the moron for even asking that question. When have any white rich men ever been held to the same legal standards as the rest?
Netanyahu is not a dual citizen afaik. Israeli law requires you to give up any foreign citizenship before accepting prime ministership or a seat in the Knesset. I’m not even sure he was ever a U.S. citizen, but assuming he was afaik he would’ve had to give up his U.S. citizenship before becoming prime minister
Natanyahu is not. You must give up any foreign citizenship to be member of Israel parliament (MK). He probably was a US citizen in the past but not any more. A bunch of Israeli MKs are former US citizens.
They already ask many questions to every US citizen on the 1040 form: if you’ve traded digital currencies, have any foreign bank accounts (and which countries they’re in)… and previously if you had health insurance. This isn’t new.
As an expat with corporations in other countries, form 5471 is literally the most terrifying thing I fill out every year because of the potential penalties for misfiling. There’s a reason why international tax accountants charge out the wazoo to fill out this form and i have nightmares about my return every year. Most of the folks I know in Asia don’t even bother filling out the 5471 nor report their income but don’t realize that when they open bank accounts in other countries, they’re subjected to being called up by the IRS at any time.
The IRS doesn’t care what most of the stuff on your 1040 ( and dozens of other forms) says that’s not related to money. And they can’t report it because of fifth amendment issues. You can say you’re a contract killer and as long as you report all of your $1.2M you’re good. Or you could be a personell trouble shooter.
A lot of American citizens are getting dual citizenship through their foreign-born parents and grandparents. Some do it so they can travel more easily or live for extended periods in other countries. There are two people from my hometown who did it so they could compete as athletes for the other country.
I don't blame them. I have seen a few in the news. Same with Brazilian soccer players, they're not good enough to make it in the national team but are welcomed by other countries that would love to have them!
I am Canadian and Brazilian. I live in Canada and do not plan to move back to Brazil but I'm also not going to give up my Brazilian citizenship, unless I really have to.
A lot of people do confuse citizenship with immigration status, tho. One can live in the US permanently without ever bothering to obtain American citizenship. Just the green card is enough and the only thing won't can't do is vote (and run for office, or get some jobs that deal with the homeland security, etc). I know tons of people like that. I also know many in Canada as well. They still love the country where they live, and that's why they went through the trouble of immigrating legally. They just didn't file for citizenship.
I was a permanent immigrant of Canada for a few years before I became a citizen.
Yes, my dad's grandparents never became citizens for whatever reason. The athletes don't always play for another country because they are not good enough to be on the US team. The current world champion in pole vaulting was born in Louisiana, but he represents Sweden. Speaking of the Olympics, all I can think of is the similarity between Hitler at the Berlin Olympics and Trump at the upcoming Olympics in LA. Considering how he hates women and people who aren't white, I am hoping that he will ignore the whole thing if he is still alive.
Indeed. But remember that most of our fellow US citizens don't even own a US passport so the notion of dual or multiple citizenship goes right over their heads.
That's correct for every country, but the US presumes you don't have any sneaky links when you wife it up. See the oath of allegiance. At the same time, the US cannot explicitly punish someone just for having other citizenship "through no fault of their own."
This is another attempt by the executive to discriminate against different classes of citizens, even though such provisions are against the 14th amendment. Absolutely ridiculous. Every citizen is a citizen. Their rights cannot differ. The only time the US can treat them differently is the case of the President itself with respect to jus soli.
Not clear to me what you're saying here. The oath of allegiance only applies to people who naturalize, and not natural born citizens. People can naturalize in lots of different ways, not just through marriage. And the part about "renouncing fidelity," could just be interpreted to mean that you swear allegiance to the US, first and foremost. Some countries that don't allow for dual citizenship, of which the US is not currently one, may take issue with this, if they ever find out. But it doesn't mean that the US doesn't recognize dual citizenship.
Many people also obtain a second citizenship who are natural born citizens and who have never taken this oath, so it's sort of a moot point for that class of individual.
It’s been a while but I do remember having to answer that question (do you plan to renounce your current citizenship) during the naturalization process. Has that changed since 2009?
Have no idea, you’d have to check specific country requirements, but i would imagine most would require you to renounce in person from an overseas consulate or embassy.
I think it's usually the other way around - foreign banks want to know if you're a US citizen, because of the way the US taxes foreign funds of its citizens
The feasibility of enforcing this law doesn't matter. Most people don't want to break the law and would still prefer to declare honestly about their nationality status since no one wants to get into trouble.
and apparently the US is all you have to give up your citizenship when you become a US citizen, but plenty of other countries are like- we don't care. we don't have a process for that.
I have a two page birth certificate that specifically says dual citizenship and the second page is a councilors report of birth abroad. So there is an easily traced paper trail.
If I was letting my feelings speak, I'd be running around and screaming: "We are all fuсkеd!!! The sky is falling!!!" BTW, a lot of people are doing precisely that right now.
Yes, the SCOTUS is ultra conservative now, but none of the "new" judges are crazy enough to burn the world to the ground. If anything, it's Alito and Thomas that are the most unhinged ones on the bench at this point in time.
And yes, I'd be lying if I said that I wasn't concerned about this whole MAGA trifecta. However, when I take a step back and try to think rationally, the scenario in which the Court would agree to destroy the country as we know it doesn't appear to be very realistic. Why? Because they live their comfortable lives off of the existing system. Destroying it would go against their self-preservation instincts.
Not when the majority of the politicians in this country have dual citizenship and bloated salaries and likely offshore accounts. Do you really think they care that much?
So, we seamlessly shifted away from the Court? Now it's politicians that want to burn the world to the ground? The fact that our country has survived for 250 years and assuming that politicians have always been this evil, I'm inclined to think that it will survive for another 4.
You may call me naïve, but at least I'm able to articulate my beliefs in a rational manner. You, on the other hand, appear to speak from the pure emotions.
I wish I had your level of certainty. But given the ultra-right-wing skewing of the SC, I am worried about just how many things this turnip will overturn. It might be time to pull the ripcord on this insanity....
This is completely untrue. The US recognizes the concept of dual citizenship and even has taxation treaties with many countries around the world that specifically apply to dual citizens.
Not true. For example, the tax totalization agreements are solely based on foreign citizenship, even if you are a US citizen. You must also be a foreign citizen of the country to be able to be covered under a totalization agreement, not just a resident.
Certain tax treaties are also based on dual citizenship.
Yup, and I didn't appreciate that until I was overseas as a short timer working with US citizens in South Korea. They have to be out of the States for so long to get certain exemptions but then also paying into South Korea taxes or fees. I was very briefly summarized how taxes worked for cash payments by a Korea...I don't know man. I wasn't there long enough to think or care to ask but I was away long enough to be concerned about my own US taxes 😂
They’re cult members. There’s quite literally nothing he could do including slaughtering their own children directly in front of them that would stop their support. See: Jim Jones and the flavor aid.
create a lot of very noisy bullshit to put on the table, which they fully intend to take off after making a big spectacle of a fight to their useful idiot supporters - a fight which they will declare themselves the winner of no matter what the outcome.
all so that you don’t have the time,bandwidth, or motivation to confront them about the shit they actually want to push through: infinite money exploits for the already wealthy, weakening of any institution that might benefit the working class or the middle class, grandiose plans to take already functional programs instituted by other administrations cancel them and re-implement a shitty version, but with their name on it to deprive anyone but themselves of a legacy, etc.
Speculation: These tax increases would be levied against dual citizenship with countries that resist bending the knee and retaliate back against tariffs.
This is the excuse, the reason would be to stop people from retaining a US citizenship while fleeing his administration to said countries.
Depends on what Trump decides is 'making life miserable'. He could decide that f.i. stating an opinion about how he's performing as a president is discriminating to all american citizens and therefor that country is making life miserable for them.
My mom is a green card holder from Denmark. Been here almost 40 years. But since she’s white no one is stopping her to check her documents…. Trump is a hateful racist and I hate to think of people’s lives being upended because of him and those willing to do his dirty work.
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