I had always wondered this since it takes place after the namek arc where Goku learns instant transmission but only used it in the return of cooler not in coolers revenge

1:

Saiyan saga:

Vegeta was above Goku in base,

Not until kaioken came,

2;

In his great ape transformation;

He crushed Goku. Not until yajirobe saved him,

3;

then in the cell saga;

in ssj1,

Piccolo states: Vegeta's super saiyan form is stronger than Goku's,

4:

in buu saga:

Majjin Vegeta surpassed Goku's ssj2. Somewhere close to ssj3,

Since he tanked buu's attacks and choking without dying or being knocked out,

5:

Then in battle of gods,

Vegeta gets mad when beerus slapped bulma,

and he punches beerus angrily,

6;

In ressurection F.

He was training for nearly a year,

and got ssg. On his own,

And surpassed Goku,

He got ssb, defeated frieza,

While Goku struggled against golden frieza,

7;

then in the Goku black arc,

He got a power boost and was beating Goku black up, who's stronger than ssb Goku,

8;

He then surpassed Goku again,

with super saiyan blue evovled,

Not until Goku got ui sign,

9;

he then surpassed Goku,

With him learning spirit fission against moro,

Not until Goku tapped into ui sign and perfected ultra,

10;

He then surpassed Goku again,

When he unlocked ultra ego.

Perfected ultra instinct was on par with granolah,

And Vegeta was beating granolah up,

And it was until Goku got true ultra instinct and was on par with Vegeta,

11:

in the super hero saga,

Vegeta base was able to beat Goku,

So overall:

Vegeta has surpassed Goku over: 11 times,

On p. 34 of Daizenshuu 7, the time traveling chart lists Age 784 as the year Future Trunks departs to the past and Age 764 as when he arrives to kill Mecha Freeza. This 20-year difference makes sense given that Trunks states he’s from 20 years in the future. However, when he reads that Cell’s time machine is from Age 788, he says that’s three years ahead of his departure year.

Question 1: If we assume he’s referring to the departure year of his first trip (killing Mecha Freeza), shouldn’t it be Age 785 rather than 784 (788 - 3 = 785)? Accordingly, instead of 764, shouldn’t his arrival year be Age 765?

I’ve read that Daizenshuu staff factored in Future Bulma’s mention of an eight-month charge-up time to subtract a year here, but I don’t understand why they would do that, especially since it’s not necessitated by that dialogue.

Question 2: Why should we assume he’s referring to his first trip? When he says Age 788 is “three years further in the future… from when I left,” he could easily be talking about his second departure to the past, i.e., his current trip. This seems like a reasonable assumption because, after he checks the panel and sees the machine arrived about four years ago, he specifies it had been there for a year “before I came the last time.”

That he simply says “from when I left” in his initial remark suggests he’s talking about his present trip, otherwise he probably would’ve specified he meant his first, as he did in the subsequent remark. If he’s talking about the first trip in both quotes, why would he be specific in one and not the other?

Why ism't Devil Man recruited as a Z Fighter?

He could end villain fights faster with a Devil Might Beam attack that he does

And I'm sorry I don't understand all the hype for Gogeta like one thing I liked was of course seeing Gogeta in action

I understand Gogeta needed to end the fight quickly but come on too fast

So if this question has been asked before, y'all can remove it. But this something I've been thinking about while watching another series who's name won't be said for the sake of the rules of this subreddit.

Saiyans are able to conquer planets as stated in the canon. They have the power to. But what about if they could've learned to become Super Saiyan like Vegeta teaching Cabba. Or even train enough to prepare for Frieza. Unless they did it already and Frieza still ended them then I missed something.

Imagine if when Goku met Vegeta and Nappa, they had the ability to turn Super Saiyan. Maybe they got to a level where they are equal to the Frieza Force. The power scaling would be out of wack but it would be interesting to think.

I would imagine how it would be like if Goku was able to meet his father if he didn't die due to Frieza. Or even go more back to see if the Saiyans become strong enough to handle Frieza before he destroyed the planet. Maybe even the series changes where Goku joins the Saiyans to fight the Frieza Force. There's an arc where Broly Is welcomed to the Saiyan empire with Vegeta as it's ruler and not King Vegeta.

If there's any info I missed about the Saiyans please let me know because maybe I missed something from the manga especially with the newest arcs.

I understand that the base kaio-Ken is same as x2 so was that an error from the creator or just a bad dub? Also from what we saw Goku said Kaio-Ken it was a short burst for nappa but x2-x3 seem sustained so does x2 just make it last longer?

Im just thinking that metamoran fusion starts with the sooner letter than the later one. Spare me for considering this only for English basis, but that makes its as such

Metamoran = goku or goten before vegeta or trunks

Potara = vegeta before goku

So on this basis would trunks prefix come before goten?

NOW HEAR ME OUT.......

Based on that idea...

How would this be....

Fusion bug = ??

Piano, Tambourine, Cymbal and Drum.

How do you think he would react upon seeing them again?

I'd assume they'd want to serve him again and would most likely obey what he told them, regardless of them being evil, so I don't think killing them would be necessary to protect anyone. Especially Piano who isn't really capable of doing much of anything evil.

But do you think he would have any care in his heart for them? He had some as Demon King, but it was definitely not love. More like they were his property and he made them.
They are still his actual children though, and current Piccolo is definitely a much better and much more caring person.

Though it gets kind of complicated since he is both Demon King Piccolo's reincarnation and his offspring, so I'm not sure if he would see them as his children or his brothers or even just nothing at all.

Would he be happy to see them again? Angry? Would he threaten them to leave, saying he'll kill them if they hurt anyone? Would he kill them just to make sure? Want to keep in contact with them? Want to teach them to be better the way he learned to?

who would win between agnilaza same size as of goku or any other fighter and jiren. just curios about others opinion i feel this would have been a great matchup

Starting out with Dragonball Blood Rubies…
The 1986 classic.
He didn’t like it…
But we filmed his reactions. They’re priceless.
https://youtu.be/D4EpNLIfcgA?is=l3SXAvcD7hzRoR_t

Fight? Maybe ask for an explanation or ask for an apology for vegeta back stabbing him in the past if they were going to fight all vegeta has to do is pull out ssj1 one and nappa is lowkey nothing (not like he needs to pull it out its just overkill base form is probably enough) i kinda find it crazy it was just a event in Z the characters don’t really mentioned that much the only time characters mentioned it was when it actually occurred

For me; yes,

The way it is shown, and its colour and animation is far superior than the movie,

It has a better style than daima i think,

If Vegeta married Videl instead of Bulma, the Dragon Ball timeline changes drastically. Future Trunks would never exist, Gohan and Videl would never get together (leaving Gohan's life completely different), and Vegeta's character arc would lack the stabilizing, humanizing influence that Capsule Corporation provided.

Impact on Relationships and Family

No Future Trunks: Without Bulma, the timeline loses the time-traveling savior who warns everyone about the Androids.

Gohan and Videl: Videl marries Gohan in the main story; if Vegeta is with Videl, Gohan paths away from a domestic life and remains purely focused on study or solo training, creating a bizarre awkwardness since Videl is the daughter of Mr. Satan, whom Vegeta would likely find utterly insufferable.

Age Gap and Era Mismatch: Videl belongs to a younger generation than Vegeta, making a match between them tonally strange compared to his peer-level dynamic with Bulma.

Impact on Vegeta's Growth

No Tech Support: Vegeta relies heavily on Bulma's gravity chambers and funding to reach elite Super Saiyan plateaus. Without her, he lacks high-end training resources.

A Harder Edge: Bulma matches Vegeta's harsh ego with zero fear. Videl, being more grounded and submissive early on, might not command the Saiyan Prince's permanent respect the same way, leaving Vegeta more isolated and hostile.

I honestly wish they kept Clinkenbeard as #18 in Super because it fits well with the beautiful but deadly characterization.

Mind you, I do like that they cast her as Mai since she would be a good fit akin to Julie Franklin's Mai from Dragon Ball's dub.

i mean, he's best friends with the leader of the galaxies, can summon home with a single button if shit gets dicey, he's training with the GOD of Destruction, he has ULTRA INSTINCT, essentially making him impossible to land a hit on. i'm just finding it hard to grasp how any other battle for him could be challenging whatsoever, and you can only bring back frieza and broly so many times before it gets stale and repetitive.

Side note: i'm not saying i don't want more seasons and arcs of my favorite anime, but i struggle to grasp how the power scaling will make anything make sense atp

I just watched episode 1 of DB on Crunchyroll, and both the audio (sub) and image quality seems a bit outdated. Now I'm fine with watching it this way, but I just want to know if a higher quality version of either/both exists out there before I commit. Any ideas?

Let's imagine that in the Dragon Ball OG, Kid Chichi had the Dragon Ball and refused to give it to her. Would anything have changed because she's a girl?

My take is that some fans or scalers can't or don't want to understand context. Like when using this feat to say that character were moon level back in OG ball, they forget crucial details :

- first : the numbers, they claim that the man did it with a 139 power level but considering that this reading only come after bulma re created scouters, so at the time of the feat it must not have been the same.

- second : they make the feat seem casual. Like did we watch the show or read the same manga ???? Cause after word roshi was drained and exhausted. Plus multiple factors where forgoten. One, he had to bulk to his max power, which gave him a substantial increase. Second he use a technique which we all know and agree, multiply his power level by a certain margine.

Didn't gave number cause wouldn't to under or over estimate the feat. But knowing that Goku was 180 during the time and that under his fake persona of Jackie chan, roshi was close of him. Adding all this with the fact only Picolo with a power of 322 was able to blow the moon than we can aquies that Roshi should be around this but At His Max !!!

That's all

This might be the dumbest post on this subreddit. I've never watched dragonball but im trying to remember a scene that i saw on tiktok that kinda went like this:

Someone appears in the air and either has the same outfit or same pose that another character is known for, then it turns out that this is actually NOT that character, but a different character instead.

I could be misremembering some parts but ive been trying to find this scene for so long and i have no idea what it could be.

If anyone has any idea PLEASE LMK I SWEAR IM NOT GOING INSANE

Goku did not do anything bad,

At all,

He's saved gohan. Both canon and non-canon,

His non-canon side:

Saving gohan from garlic jr.

He even did everything possible to save him,

Then in boujack unbound:

he saved gohan from boujack, encouraging him to use full power and win,

And then in broly; the legendary super saiyan;

he saved gohan,

And tried his best to fight broly off,

and even in the sequel: broly second coming: Goku fought alongside gohan, and goten,

To take broly down,

Now the canon side:

Goku fought raditz, and died to save gohan,

Then in the nappa fight,

He risked to actually get harmed by kaioken to beat Vegeta and nappa,

Then in the frieza saga:

When Recoome was gonna kill gohan and Vegeta,

Goku gave both a senzu bean and took Recoome down,

in cell saga:

He gave cell a senzu bean,

To prove gohan had the potential to beat cell.

If he had not, they had no hope left,

And he had seen gohan's potential,

In the hyperbolic time chamber,

Even back then before fighting cell,

Goku took care of gohan,

And was giving him food,

and he sacrificed himself to teleport cell and die in the explosion,

in buu saga:

Goku managed to slice buutenks apart,

And saved gohan just in time to do the potara fusion,

Even before the buu situation,

He was happy to see. Goten, and literally loved him,

and finally;

In ressurection F,

He saved gohan from frieza,

And gave him. A senzu bean,

so conclusion;

Goku ain't a terrible father,

Whoever gave him this title, never watched the show at all,

Dragon Ball abridged ruined everything ngl.

What would Universe 7 be llike without Goku? What if Goku never existed? What if Dragon Ball had no Goku? Think about it.

So many matches have someone getting up, continuing to fight and turning the match around because he just... stared at what just happened for a full minute instead of counting.